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Lemmings (song)
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The only mention of Lemmings on the target page is an EP Lemmings / Going Nowhere. Blink-182 have recorded a song by this name, which appears on that EP and on
Dude Ranch (album) and is also mentioned at
List of songs recorded by Blink-182. However this is not the only song called "Lemmings" so I propse to retarget this to
Lemming (disambiguation)#Music where Blink-182 and Van der Graaf Generator songs are mentioned. Google doesn't suggest either is the primary topic.
Thryduulf (
talk)
Retarget to
Lemming (disambiguation)#Music per nom. There doesn't seem to be a clear primary topic, and plus any song called "Lemming" can also be mistakenly (and plausibly) called "Lemmings." Regards,
SONIC678 04:45, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Lemmings(album)
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. In addition to the missing space, the target album is not called "Lemmings" - This was redirected to
Lemmings (song) and a bot fixed the resulting double redirect to this target (where it pointed at the time).
Lemmings (album) redirects to
Lemming (disambiguation) as there are two albums with this exact name and National Lampoon's Lemmings also gets called just "Lemmings". The current target is linked from the dab page because of the song.
Thryduulf (
talk) 22:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, since the correct version is correctly targeted.
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Buklod
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Tagalog word for "unity" or "alliance", not mentioned at the target. An internet search does not suggest that Iglesia ni Cristo is the primary subject associated with this term. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. An ambiguous foreign language term: may cause confusion.
Shhhnotsoloud (
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delete as vague at best --
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Binhi
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Binhi is the Tagalog word for seed. It also appears to be the name of a youth group affiliated with Iglesia ni Cristo, but it's not mentioned at the target and an internet search doesn't suggest that this is the primary meaning of this term. I would lean towards deletion unless a duly sourced mention is added, and even then it's not clear to me that this is the primary topic. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
delete as vague at best. --
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Eleventh extinction
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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No mention of eleven or eleventh at the target. The lead itself calls it the sixth. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Google finds only one use of this exact phrase that is independent of Wikipedia and not a collocation or nonsense
[1]. That is on a page entitled "Conclusions: Extinction Events - Ten extinction events in deep time & perhaps we are now in the eleventh extinction event the anthropogenic extinction" hosed by the
Senior University of Greater Atlanta, which is not an academic institution but a
U3A-type informal learning group.
Thryduulf (
talk) 22:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Without a mention in the article this redirect is confusing.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 12:50, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:CRYSTAL (probably a record for the length of time involved).
Narky Blert (
talk) 15:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete this redirect is at the very least several hundred million years too early.--
69.157.254.92 (
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Sotec eOne
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The result of the discussion was soft delete as unopposed. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Not mentioned at the target. Searching online, I found some results (largely in Chinese and Japanese) for a very similar looking computer, but I can't find clear evidence that these are actually the same thing. In the case of Daewoo, I found
this article that would seem to suggest that the e-Power is a copycat like the eOne, but that they are not the same product. I would suggest deletion unless such evidence can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 19:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Second Babylonian dynasty
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Deryck C. 22:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While the Kassites did come to power after the
First Babylonian Dynasty, I can't find any evidence that they are referred to by this name. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 18:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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CycloneYoristalk! 02:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I never knew this chronology was so complicated! In a Google search, I found a
1992 honors undergraduate paper labeling the Kassites thus, so I don't think there's any danger that we made this up. But
here's an 1887 work from an Oxford academic, whose list of kings from the Second Dynasty is clearly from the time period that we consider the first. Google privileges a Britannica Kids entry saying the second dynasty arose in the 1100s BC, placing them after the Kassites. I don't like
Sealand Dynasty despite its use of the term. The lede is full of... shall we say, scholarly weasel words (not policy-violating
WP:WEASEL words, just reflecting academic uncertainty). But
Neo-Babylonian Empire isn't a clear choice either, since second empire =/= second dynasty.
That leaves me wanting to target somewhere broad.
List of Mesopotamian dynasties probably links to whatever the reader is looking for, but the organization leaves quite a lot to be desired (this again probably comes down to us just having to reconstruct these ancient societies as best we can). I think I'm just defaulting to delete and leaving it to search results. Note that the redirect is new, so it has minimal page views (but of course hasn't had much time to get them). --
BDD (
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Steel1943 (
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Delete per BDD, whose informative post I found interesting and convincing. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per BDD. I agree entirely on
List of Mesopotamian dynasties, I really think that could be a useful target, but it's one of the least informative list articles I've seen thanks to its complete lack of structure and annotation, so I actually think the search results are preferable to either (a) several questionable targets or (b) a highly non-navigable list. ~
mazcatalk 13:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
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Subrata roy (author)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus / retarget to
Subrata Roy. It's fairly routine in these situations with a retarget/delete split for me to close this way, recognizing both that there's no consensus and also that a default "keep" with no action would please no one. This one was a bit more difficult since there was expressed opposition to the proposed retarget, instead of just two sides making their argument in parallel. But we are encouraged to pursue
alternatives to deletion, so as a closer, I'm not comfortable with a delete outcome that isn't backed by clear consensus.
As in many cases, the deadlock can be broken by an article being written on another Subrata Roy better known as an author, if there's such a notable person. I think we can all agree that the scientist and the businessman have both authored works, but "author" is not the main word you'd use to describe either. While this is veering into personal opinion territory, an article on, say, a notable novelist could easily occupy
Subrata Roy (author). --
BDD (
talk) 16:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While scientists write papers, I'm not sure that the disambiguator (author) is really appropriate here. There's some other Subrata Roys with articles on Wikipedia, but none of them appear to be authors in the conventional sense. I would suggest deletion unless a justification or better solution can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 18:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Subrata Roy. All the hits for "Subrata Roy" author seem to be about the businessman whose article presently occupies the base title.
Thryduulf (
talk) 19:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. There are no notable people named Subrata Roy who are known as authors. The miscapitalization makes this a slam dunk. --
Tavix(
talk) 23:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The facts disagree - the businessman is well known as an author based on all the google results about him that describe him as such. It's just his Wikipedia article considers it secondary to his notability as a businessman.
Thryduulf (
talk) 02:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
When Wikipedia describes an author by that name, then a redirect should follow suit—not before. You have it backwards. It's puzzling that you allude to "facts" without evidence, but if you are so sure of his notability as an author, then you should have no issue citing that he is an author at his article. --
Tavix(
talk) 02:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
For clarity, I still stand by my miscapitalization argument. That's why I simply struck my delete suggestion instead of switching to retarget. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I still stand by my delete !vote. I would have gone for keep if the last name is properly capitalized.
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Subrata Roy per above. Why should the capitalisation matter? This redirect isn't harming anyone and functions the same purpose through the Wikipedia search mechanism as Subrata Roy (author) would; it's pointless time-wasting bureaucracy to delete this redirect and create the other one. Redirects don't have to be perfect, they just have to be usable. —
J947 ‡ message ⁓
edits 23:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Subrata Roy as he does have a books section in his article. I've added a hatnote to the scientist.
AngusWOOF (
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sniff) 19:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. So far we've shown that "Subrata Roy (author)" can plausibly refer to
Subrata Roy (businessman),
Subrata Roy (scientist), and there is another writer named Subrata Roy who may be eligible for an article. Since the capitalisation is wrong here, I think we should delete the redirect, second choice disambiguate. I would strongly oppose retargetting the other Subrata Roy.
Deryck C. 02:37, 22 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Steel1943 (
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Delete per Deryck's !vote above. Title is rather ambiguous and deletion would be more appropriate in this case.
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
BDD (
talk) 16:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Back on March 25, the "Spongebob Squarepants" counterpart was deleted, but I'm confused as to whether this was a real game (per
this list that
J947 provided over at the last discussion, which includes that name) or
WP:MADEUP (per
Lazlo25's rationalization for turning the former into a redirect on the grounds that it "[was] NOT a real game!"). As such, I'm suggesting we delete these two or retarget them wherever appropriate unless a justification can be provided as to why these redirect to their current targets. Regards,
SONIC678 00:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
O, the nominator is talking about the game, not the episode. I have never played any games related to SpongeBob. --
Soumya-8974talkcontribssubpages 04:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as a hoax. This game does not exist and there was formerly a hoax article. Six Google results total, include one of the above redirects.
IceWelder [
✉] 13:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I believe this is a chapter of a video game. All the best: RichFarmbrough 18:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC).reply
Retarget as working title of... whatever it was. All the best: RichFarmbrough 18:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC).reply
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Steel1943 (
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Delete per 2pou. --
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Thinking Cap
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The result of the discussion was retarget to the soft redirect now at
Thinking cap. Note that the other discussion regarding the
uncapitalised version of this title was already closed with consensus to soft redirect to Wiktionary. I'm therefore treating the "soft redirect" consensus here, with most comments pre-dating that closure, as a consensus to just retarget this to that now-existing soft redirect page. There is not a compelling justification to have the two capitalisations of this point to different places, but the suggestion of moving the currently-targeted redirect to
Thinking Cap (DC Comics) is potentially helpful, and will do that in addition to retargeting it at this title. ~
mazcatalk 13:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While that may be true, it's just one example of a much wider term and not even close to the primary topic. In my search results for "thinking cap" -Wikipedia there was only one DC comics related result in the top 50 and that was 13th.
Thryduulf (
talk) 15:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It does show, though, that it was a bad idea to bundle the two together. They were created for different reasons and have different rationales for changing.
SpinningSpark 22:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Separate them if you wish, but as the should both lead to the same target (whatever that is) and the same rationale applies to both (the current target is not the primary topic) I think bundling is correct here.
Thryduulf (
talk) 22:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It clearly isn't correct to bundle if participants are voting keep on a rationale that applies to only one. It is your view that they should be treated the same, but the reality is not everyone is agreeing with you.
SpinningSpark 09:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep. I don't really approve of redirects and dab page entries for minor fictional items and characters, but it seems to be the consensus to have them, and as we don't have an article at the (uncapitalised) primary topic it makes sense to keep this as it is.
SpinningSpark 09:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Soft redirect to
wikt:thinking cap. Given that this has been split, I'm reaffirming my opinion that readers will be best served by both capitalised and uncapitalised versions of this search term soft redirecting to Wiktionary in preference to only one of very many examples of thinking caps that will just confuse readers who are looking for either general information (most likely) or information on a different specific example from fiction or non-fiction.
Thryduulf (
talk) 12:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Soft redirect per Thryduulf. signed, Rosguilltalk 23:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Soft redirect as above. A capital C doesnt really make this less ambiguous and is likely to
WP:SURPRISE anyone that doesnt care about comics. -
2pou (
talk) 14:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Or Move without leaving a redirect to
Thinking Cap (DC Comics). @
Kailash29792: you can always just create this dabbed redirect as well if you think this that big of an element. -
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Steel1943 (
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Comment I don't have an issue with the creation of
Thinking Cap (DC Comics) (although the target doesn't convince me of the need), but I remain opposed to
Thinking cap (
now a soft redirect) and
Thinking Cap leading to different pages and to the unqualified title being redirected to just one of very many specific uses.
Thryduulf (
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Pederasty in the Renaissance
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The result of the discussion was retarget to
Pederasty which seems to be the strongest-supported option (although nothing was enthusiastic). While there isn't much to say about Pederasty in the Renaissance at that target, it has been argued that there is enough to support a redirect. --
Tavix(
talk) 16:13, 2 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Non-helpful redirect. The article covers general LGBT history during the period. This redirect gives the wrong ideas about what the section will be about and about what is considered LGBT.
★Trekker (
talk) 18:52, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep, for attribution reasons. This is a redirect from a
2010 merge that is substantially what the current section is still based on. ~
mazcatalk 21:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
No it's not. The section is about LGBT, not pedophilia. If the page is kept at all (I don't see why honestly) the it should be redirected somewhere else, possiblhy the main
pederasty article.
★Trekker (
talk) 21:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
See my comment below. Some of what he wrote about touched on normal gay history, even though that itself was distorted by him, but that small amount of overlap is enough to create a requirement of attribution. Crossroads-talk- 21:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Significant content was clearly removed from the poorly-sourced pederasty article and expressly merged, with modifications, to the current target. I agree that it's a poor title and a poor description of the content, and would agree with deleting it if not for this history, but this is generally how these things are attributed for copyright purposes. ~
mazcatalk 21:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: It contains non-trivial edit history. The article was created and largely written by Haiduc, who was banned by ArbCom in 2010 for reasons that are obvious based on
the ANI discussion about him. The content he wrote was dishonest propaganda exaggerating the prevalence and social standing of practices that in today's world non-
WP:Fringe sources call
child sexual abuse,
as explained here. (Part of this involved purposely combining relationships between grown males that really are gay history together with abusive relationships between a grown man and a young boy, and calling it all "pederasty".) This article was merged into
LGBT history, with changes, shortly after his ban, and more changes probably occurred since then. We probably need it for copyright reasons, but it should definitely stay a redirect. If someone more knowledgeable than me informs me that we actually do not need it, then I'd say delete. Crossroads-talk- 21:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Trystan. I hadn't thought of that. Crossroads-talk- 14:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Pederasty. Keeping the edit history for attribution purposes does not require keeping the current redirect target.--
Trystan (
talk) 12:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment There is actually a brief mention of child sexual abuse at the target section. In the section, it says that "The harshest punishments, such as burning at the stake, were usually reserved for crimes committed against the very young, or by violence." (emphasis mine).
Not a very active user (
talk) 12:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Unlike the below section, there's clear, serious harm here in conflating pederasty with LGBT practices. Retargeting is tempting, but
Pederasty really doesn't discuss the topic in the Renaissance, only noting that the term entered English during that period. Moving this page without leaving a redirect is probably the best way forward. The deletion summary should link to this discussion, and the history will still be accessible without the harm of the status quo. It's just a matter of finding something that's an acceptable redirect to
Pederasty that we don't already have—
Paedication, maybe? --
BDD (
talk) 20:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
This seems needlessly complicated. The
Pederasty article states, The word first appeared in the English language during the Renaissance, as pæderastie (e.g. in Samuel Purchas' Pilgrimes), in the sense of sexual relations between men and boys. This seems like plenty to justify the target. Crossroads-talk- 21:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Right, I noted that part of the article, but any reader using this search term would most likely be looking for the practice or idea of pederasty in the Renaissance, not the history of the word (cf.
WP:UMD). It no more answers the search query than it would
Pederasty in England (where Purchas was writing from). While the conflation of homosexuality and pederasty is by far the more pressing issue here, we still need to think about readers, what they look for, and how to accommodate them. --
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Pederasty in the modern world
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The result of the discussion was keep. --
Tavix(
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This redirect is mostly pointless, and the wording of it makes it seems like "Pederasty" is a term which is accepted in moder use as opposed to "child sexual abuse". The very short section it redirects to is only about modern views of historical use of the term.
★Trekker (
talk) 18:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete if we can, but it contains non-trivial edit history. The article was created and largely written by Haiduc, who was banned by ArbCom in 2010 for reasons that are obvious based on
the ANI discussion about him. The content he wrote was dishonest propaganda exaggerating the prevalence and social standing of practices that in today's world non-
WP:Fringe sources call
child sexual abuse,
as explained here, and which can be seen in this article as well. A merge with
Pederasty was done in 2008. In 2019, though, the Pederasty article was itself completely rewritten.
[2] So I'm not sure if we need this for copyright attribution or not, but if we do, it should obviously stay a redirect and pointing where it now does. The
Pederasty#Modern view section does in fact talk about modern views of practices that have been called pederasty (sex between a man and a boy). Crossroads-talk- 20:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I thought about this, but wouldn't that break attribution? The attribution in the history of Pederasty would go to the old title, which would be a red link and/or a nonexistent page and not lead to the edit history of the renamed redirect, thus defeating the purpose of keeping it. Crossroads-talk- 21:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Despite its sordid history, I don't see anything harmful about this redirect. We provide access with all sorts of variant and deprecated terms. If the article content gave such impressions about current use of the term "pederasty", that would be a separate, fixable issue. --
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Keep - to be clear, I know we need to keep this now. Crossroads-talk- 02:21, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Comparative morphology
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. This has been open for a hot minute. There was a good amount of options presented, and out of it all, I don't see a significant amount of support for any specific new option, and not a lot of opposition to the current target per comments in the discussion seemingly suggesting other targets, but not necessarily stating why the current target is problematic.
(non-admin closure)Steel1943 (
talk) 16:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Evolutionary physiology, which is what comparative morphology entails and is a subset of. Another article of this sort is
Comparative physiology, and there may be others. We probably need some merging. There are really only two topics here: the study of evolutionary relationships as evidenced by physiological morphology, between earlier and later life forms that appear to be related, such as fossil amphibians and modern salamanders; and the study of differences between and similarities among contemporary organisms [related or not], such as primates and felids. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 10:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm surprised it's at
Comparative Anatomy to begin with, because I've always known it as
Comparative morphology. Never heard of this new-fangled (?) term
Evolutionary physiology, but then again, I've been out of the loop for a decade or two. Still, I lean towards for keeping as-is, until I investigated this issue more.
Amphioxys (
talk) 12:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
-> Comparative morphology First of all
Anatomy is a subset of
Morphology mostly concerning itself with macroscopic and internal structures and organs, including their placement and function with regards an organism's body functions, and especially of interest to medical/veterinarian applications.
Morphology is concerned with the different forms that bodily structures can take and their relationship with corresponding organs in other organisms. So I would unequivocally vote for having the article moved to
Comparative morphology. With regards to
Evolutionary physiology, despite its obvious overlap, this is an different field of study, focusing more on the evolutionary processes shaping bodily structures. The differences may seem subtle, but clear enough in my eyes.
Amphioxys (
talk) 20:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment whatever target we decide may need a hatnote for the linguistics meaning (though the biology meaning is the clear
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT by reliable-source usage and incoming links).
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I don't like multiple relists, but as such, we're headed to the sort of no-consensus close that pleases no one. Some discussion questions: is there a more specific place for the linguistic topic than
Morphology (linguistics)? Given the inherent ambiguity of the base term, would retargeting to the disambiguation page at
Morphology do any good?
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BDD (
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Retarget to the dab page
Morphology per BDD's suggestion in the relist, I don't see another way out of this situation due to the use of the term "morphology" across disciplines. signed, Rosguilltalk 22:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose retarget to
Morphology, comparative is not mentioned there and would be confusing for someone looking for something more specific. I haven't researched the topic enough to be comfortable to !vote this way, but from a glance, the current target doesn't look problematic per Amphioxys and 59. --
Tavix(
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When I think of morphology, my first thought is linguistics. My hunch is that some form of comparative morphology exists for most or all fields that have a concept called morphology. signed, Rosguilltalk 19:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I think a specific disambiguation on "comparative morphology" may make sense if we have content on "comparative morphology" in multiple fields. The disambiguation page at
Morphology is too broad though, and thus unhelpful for those looking for specialized information on this exact topic. If we want to go this route, can we brainstorm a disambiguation? What's better for the linguistics term,
Comparative linguistics or
Morphology (linguistics)? Are there any other articles that would make sense?
Comparative physiology? --
Tavix(
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Steel1943 (
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Pinging
SMcCandlish and
Amphioxys; perhaps they've continued to follow this discussion, perhaps not. --
BDD (
talk) 18:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm agreeing with Tavix. For the linguistic one, I would use
Comparative linguistics, of which comparative morphology is conceptually half but in practice the bulk of the work (vs. comparative phonology). —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Back again! I'm strongly opposed to
Comparative physiology, because
Physiology is more focused on bodily functions rather than form. I'd prefer
Comparative morphology, which is the term I'm used to, but I would begrudgingly accept
Comparative anatomy, if need be. I know there is a discipline within
Linguistics called the same, but within
Biology, the discipline of
Morphology is well-established and ought not give rise to confusion within context.
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Francisco Javier Solana de Madariaga, Ph.D.
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The result of the discussion was speedy restore original target,
Javier Solana - the Antichrist target was indeed the indirect result of vandalism. This close is without prejudice to a future discussion if anyone thinks this is not a useful redirect.
Thryduulf (
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Possible G10, but since Xqbot is the most recent thing in the edit history, this may have been misplaced as a result of double-redirecting fixing after vandalism.
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Phaz
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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A Google search for this term brings up nothing associated with the Antichrist
Hog FarmBacon 14:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Enwiki has several mentions of "Phaz" in music contexts, but not sufficient for a retarget, so Search is better.
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Rockwell Space Shuttle
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REtarget per nom. Rockwell did not build the entire shuttle stack --
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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Wasn't notable enough to remain an article about the person, and redirect is just continually updated to their current employer, and has been that way
since 2007Strangerpete (
talk) 11:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Narky Blert: I noticed that
Giant Bomb has a few of these employee->company redirects, and I'm having trouble finding a relevant WP policy for this. It seems to me that even if one of the names is notable, if their respective article and the target article fail to mention or show notability, or a linked section, that it's a fairly useless redirect and shouldn't exist. But I'm hesitant to nominate all the names right off the bat though;
Ryan_Davis_(video_game_journalist) is the only one that appears appropriate. Should anyone listed as an employee get a redirect? -
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@
Strangerpete: Notability is irrelevant for redirects, it's utility that matters. I have a two-part test: is there useful info at the target? does the redirect impede searching? Alex Navarro fails at least the second part - type "Alex Navarro ." (the full stop bypasses the redirect) into the searchbox, and you'll see he crops up all over the place. A qualified title is OK if test #1 is met - readers can search easily without the qualifier.
Ryan_Davis_(video_game_journalist) is a good redirect - it points to a section with his name on it and 5 paras specifically about him. Furthermore, it has history which needs preserving - see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Davis (video game journalist). On the other hand,
Alex Navarro is basically only a name mentioned in passing.
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Chronology of the Bible.
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
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Delete I don't see enough history on this version to keep it around; it was only started this month from a user draft, while the article without the period is far more detailed and has been around since 2007.
AngusWOOF (
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Delete. per nom and consensus. of these various redirects with a period at the end. from which this is no different. This kinda seems like search bar clutter. Regards.
SONIC678 15:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete My feeling is that the original contributor has had ample opportunity to identify any remaining potential to add value, and the the failure to do so suggests that this was experimental use of the platform rather than a substantive effort to assist. Time to let it go, I'd say.
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MC
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The result of the discussion was keep. User has been reblocked for CIR issues and violating the spirit of their editing restrictions in general. They also withdrew this besides. --
ferret (
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MC is usually used as an initial for Minecraft, not Master of Ceremonies, and should be retargeted per
WP:COMMONNAME. Per
Zxcvbnm and
Hellknowz, i support a redirect to
MC (disambiguation) instead, as it can refer to many things. theultraUsurper 10:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose When I think of "MC", I think of "master of ceremonies", there is no way that the common use for it is Minecraft amongst the general populace. I might support moving
MC (disambiguation) there, however, if such a move discussion was made.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 10:39, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Common name is definitely the term used and commonly abbreviated in multiple fields rather than a video game. As per Zxcvbnm, at best it would point to the dab page and not Minecraft. —
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Wikipedia:Wikipedia
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. User has been reblocked on CIR grounds and violating the general spirit of their editing restrictions about redirects. --
ferret (
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Oppose. In simple terms, someone typing
Wikipedia:About and
Wikipedia:Wikipedia are generally seeking the same thing: information about the website they're at. That information should be hosted at a single page,
Wikipedia:About, rather than sending users seeking the most basic kind of information on a chase through disambiguation pages and other hurdles. (We don't want to end up with a situation like our editing intro, where many new users get sent to the awful
Help:Getting started, which is basically a disambiguation page, and then have to decide for themselves which of our
47 attempts at creating a unified editing intro they want to use, assuming they don't just give up, as most probably do.) Granted,
Wikipedia:About could use a major overhaul, since right now it's far too long and trying too hard to be an encyclopedia article rather than an accessible introduction. But when a topic's page isn't the best, we should improve the page, not direct users to a different topic. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Well, the article
Wikipedia is also gives information about the website they're at. I think that would be more helpful. theultraUsurper 10:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Plenty of people have opined that this redirect would be a better name for the Main Page than what it is. To put it succinctly: this redirect has practically no chance of being retargeted anywhere due to heaps of old links.
No chance.(non-admin closure) —
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Not sure if this is the right place to address this, but i don't this anyone searching "Wikipedia:Main Page" would want to go to the main page, but rather read an article on the Wikipedia main page. theultraUsurper 05:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reublic of Korea Army
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Tavix(
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This is the only such misspelling of Republic on Wikipedia, and a completely unnecessary one, especially for this article. theultraUsurper 04:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep; harmless. Nitpicking, but this isn't the
only such misspelling on the site. —
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Those are just some spelling mistakes on some pages, and i was talking about redirects. The redirect
Reublic doesn't exist, so this shouldn't too. Also, just because something is "harmless", doesn't mean we should push an incorrect redirect. theultraUsurper 06:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
FWIW, typos are not the harmful type of incorrect by any stretch. —
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Delete, I'm not sure if it's a plausible misspelling, also it seems to get light years less pageviews than its target. Regards,
SONIC678 04:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as an implausible typo. "Republik" and "republick" would be plausible, given the vagaries of English spelling (especially for learners). But we cannot account for every dropped letter, or we'd also need "epublic", "rpublic", "repblic", "repulic", "repubic", "republc", "republi", and similar patterns for every article. We should only keep typo redirs that are in patterns that make linguistic sense to occur with some regularity. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per SMcCandlish above. Unlikely misspelling, not common enough for it to have its own redirect.
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Wikipedia:5D
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Nom has been reblocked on CIR/editing restriction issues about redirects. For the record, 5D refers to "five disclaimers". --
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I'm struggling to understand what this has to with it's target. If it does have something to do with it, please correct me. theultraUsurper 03:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
BDD (
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Delete per nom, at least until there's a new Schulman/Joost project announced. At its current target, this thing might cause confusion. Regards,
SONIC678 21:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep for now. This is the result of a page move in May and it is still getting multiple hits most days so it is clearly still useful.
Thryduulf (
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per Sonic678. --
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Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 2
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The result of the discussion was delete. Speculative at best, not mentioned in target, potentially created in bad faith. ~
mazcatalk 23:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Not actually the name of the target as far as I can tell, created by an editor later blocked for multiple reasons. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 19:25, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Galaxy Z Fold 2 could be confused with Flip 2, also as mention by Shhhnotsoloud, it is a future product, and should be turned into an article once announced. Also i'm no longer blocked.
theultraUsurper 14:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Rosguill: Can someone relist this as it seems like no one is commenting on this and i'm getting kinda bored? Thanks.
theultraUsurper 17:03, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
N.b.
User:UltraUsurper (redirect creator) is now blocked for "wasting massive amounts of other editor times in the redirect space.".
Shhhnotsoloud (
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Delete due to a lack of mention. Redirects should never be created simply because someone is "bored". Good block. --
Tavix(
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Delete If we can't tell if this is referring to an entirely speculative model or a misnomer for an upcoming one, that's weak stuff indeed. --
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List of Middle-earth articles by category
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Saw this was an R from move too late, this probably needs kept.
(non-admin closure)Hog FarmBacon 01:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The target article is not a list of articles by category, nor do I believe that one exists for this subject.
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The Bad Guys (upcoming film)
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
BDD (
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Retarget to
The Bad Guys (film), which is what it's referring to, and which already has an article, at least until that movie is released. When that happens, the redirect can always be deleted to free up some space for articles about other movies by that title. Regards,
SONIC678 18:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. The article exists at a different title, so a placeholder redirect is unnecessary. It would be deleted after the film is released anyway, but we might as well take care of it now while we're here. --
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The result of the discussion was D. --
Tavix(
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Maybe I'm missing something super-obvious, but when I see "Template:G" my first thought is definitely not "oh, that's for adding spaces". The initial recreation of this template had the summary used all over the place, but at current count I only see 147 (which, granted, is not nothing, but not a huge amount either). In other words, for a single-letter template there's no good connection to the target and it makes no sense to have it pointing there.
Primefac (
talk) 10:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Sometimes people need to go back to old versions of pages. (I think that is why we keep the page histories.) We therefore want the old versions to work. It is a huge pain, if they do not work because they have calls to deleted templates whose function is non-obvious. Keeping this redirect therefore helps preserve the functionality of old versions of pages.--
Toddy1(talk) 14:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
"breaks old transclusions" is never a reason to keep things. Otherwise we would have never deleted {{
persondata}} or any of dozens upon dozens of templates. If people are confused by a sudden redlinked template, they can go to it and see why.
Primefac (
talk) 00:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. I'm sympathetic to
Toddy1's concerns here, but this is such a bad redirect that it just shouldn't exist, and I think the benefit from preventing future uses outweighs any harm in mangling page histories. Such harm could be further mitigated by keeping a record of deleted (or changed) template shortcuts. Does such a page exist for keeping track of these? If not, it might be worth setting up. –
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Replace and delete. There are only 141 transclusions of this confusingly unintuitive template name, and I'm about to make that a shorter list. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:57, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Update: Now there are 0. Most of them were due to transclusion or substitution of a handful of templates (especially a long-deleted one named shoutbox), while most of the rest were due to having been added to infoboxes by one editor who focused on Dutch bios. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 00:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I presume it was G for "gap" or something? Wild. Not useful to keep around, now that it's been removed in use, deletion would be ideal. ~ Amory(
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Freshman Year (Album)
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Originally nominated for speedy deletion by @
Yeehaw45 with the reason "This page should be deleted as it was made under a typo and server no purpose, if there were to be this page, it should redirect to the "
Freshman Year (album)" page"
FASTILY 01:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget. This is a {{
R from move}} and when retargetted will be a completely harmless redirect to the obviously correct target.
Thryduulf (
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Delete since the correct version exists.
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Freshman Year (album). It's old, reasonable, and not harmful. Why delete when there's a clear good target?
Hog FarmBacon 02:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget, because it's an {{R from move}}; would say to delete it otherwise, since capital-A "(Album)" isn't a WP disambiguator. —
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Giro del pepino
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The result of the discussion was Delete/
WP:CSD#G3. ~ Amory(
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All look to be nonsense redirects created by the same user (see also
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 23#Mono Kbron). No meaningful results in Google (mostly things related to these redirects most likely) and none appear anywhere on Wikipedia let alone on the relevant articles. Amorfo Kbron has a particularly interesting history, originally redirecting to
Adam Copeland, then
Lewis Hamilton (which is where Mono Kbron links), and finally John Cena.
A7V2 (
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Thankyou to those who have clarified what the names mean. I forgot to add in my original listing but I support deleting all.
A7V2 (
talk) 01:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete These are just insults in Spanish. John Sida, Yon Sida, related to AIDS. Rapero Amorfo ->amorphous rapper Amorfo Kbron -> Amorphous asshole. Giro del Pepino ->Awesome twist, but isn't the official name. Del pepino is when you sya something is very big colloquially --
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Yes its certainly surprising these have existed since June 2008 but indeed I have searched for Amorfo Kbron and apart from social media there appears indeed to be things about insults in Spanish. I expect all should be deleted. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 19:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete the two Sida ones per
WP:G10. Abusive insult about AIDS used nowhere in reliable sources.
Hog FarmBacon 17:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete. A bunch of Spanish insults, shocking how these weren't deleted ages ago.
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B00n
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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory(
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Not mentioned in target article, a Google search indicates this is a slang term not widely used in reliable sources.
Hog FarmBacon 00:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Hog Farm: I guess
n00b but backwards? I don't have an opinion on whether or not to keep this.
theultraUsurper 02:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. I don't see any evidence that "n00b" backwards is in actual use by anyone. Nor do we normally have a bunch of 0/o redirects, because people don't seem to often actually confuse the characters. If they did, I could see redirecting this to
boon. What's more apt to happen is confusion between capital O and 0, especially in arbitrary strings like serial/model numbers. —
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1101110 0110000 0110000 1100010
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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I'm highly confused as to what this has to do with the target.
Hog FarmBacon 00:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It's apparently "n00b" in binary code. —
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edits 00:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: It is highly unlikely that someone will search this for
newbie, especially since
n00b already exists in Wikipedia, and we don't need a binary format of that.
theultraUsurper 02:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Not an obvious redirect at all whatsoever. I wouldn't expect most people to search in binary code.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 10:34, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. In addition to the above, I can't find any actual uses of it just a handful of explanations of what it means (not all of which are independent of each other).
Thryduulf (
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It isn't recently created so it doesn't qualify for R3. —
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Rhimdath
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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Enwiki has no content about Rhimdath.
Hog FarmBacon 00:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. With exactly no instances of this term in article space (and nothing in project space other than lists of titles) this is not a useful redirect.
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ליקר
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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory(
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Draft:Willy surgery
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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory(
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Apparently created in 2018 as a redirect from the draftspace to the articlespace. Delete per
WP:XNR. Note that
Willy surgery doesn't exist, and probably shouldn't.
Hog FarmBacon 00:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: that's an absurd redirect.
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Lemmings (song)
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The only mention of Lemmings on the target page is an EP Lemmings / Going Nowhere. Blink-182 have recorded a song by this name, which appears on that EP and on
Dude Ranch (album) and is also mentioned at
List of songs recorded by Blink-182. However this is not the only song called "Lemmings" so I propse to retarget this to
Lemming (disambiguation)#Music where Blink-182 and Van der Graaf Generator songs are mentioned. Google doesn't suggest either is the primary topic.
Thryduulf (
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Retarget to
Lemming (disambiguation)#Music per nom. There doesn't seem to be a clear primary topic, and plus any song called "Lemming" can also be mistakenly (and plausibly) called "Lemmings." Regards,
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Lemmings(album)
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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Delete. In addition to the missing space, the target album is not called "Lemmings" - This was redirected to
Lemmings (song) and a bot fixed the resulting double redirect to this target (where it pointed at the time).
Lemmings (album) redirects to
Lemming (disambiguation) as there are two albums with this exact name and National Lampoon's Lemmings also gets called just "Lemmings". The current target is linked from the dab page because of the song.
Thryduulf (
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Delete, since the correct version is correctly targeted.
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Buklod
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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Tagalog word for "unity" or "alliance", not mentioned at the target. An internet search does not suggest that Iglesia ni Cristo is the primary subject associated with this term. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. An ambiguous foreign language term: may cause confusion.
Shhhnotsoloud (
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delete as vague at best --
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Binhi
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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Binhi is the Tagalog word for seed. It also appears to be the name of a youth group affiliated with Iglesia ni Cristo, but it's not mentioned at the target and an internet search doesn't suggest that this is the primary meaning of this term. I would lean towards deletion unless a duly sourced mention is added, and even then it's not clear to me that this is the primary topic. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:21, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
delete as vague at best. --
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Eleventh extinction
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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No mention of eleven or eleventh at the target. The lead itself calls it the sixth. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Google finds only one use of this exact phrase that is independent of Wikipedia and not a collocation or nonsense
[1]. That is on a page entitled "Conclusions: Extinction Events - Ten extinction events in deep time & perhaps we are now in the eleventh extinction event the anthropogenic extinction" hosed by the
Senior University of Greater Atlanta, which is not an academic institution but a
U3A-type informal learning group.
Thryduulf (
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Delete. Without a mention in the article this redirect is confusing.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 12:50, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:CRYSTAL (probably a record for the length of time involved).
Narky Blert (
talk) 15:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete this redirect is at the very least several hundred million years too early.--
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Sotec eOne
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The result of the discussion was soft delete as unopposed. --
Tavix(
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Not mentioned at the target. Searching online, I found some results (largely in Chinese and Japanese) for a very similar looking computer, but I can't find clear evidence that these are actually the same thing. In the case of Daewoo, I found
this article that would seem to suggest that the e-Power is a copycat like the eOne, but that they are not the same product. I would suggest deletion unless such evidence can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 19:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Second Babylonian dynasty
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The result of the discussion was delete.
Deryck C. 22:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While the Kassites did come to power after the
First Babylonian Dynasty, I can't find any evidence that they are referred to by this name. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 18:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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I never knew this chronology was so complicated! In a Google search, I found a
1992 honors undergraduate paper labeling the Kassites thus, so I don't think there's any danger that we made this up. But
here's an 1887 work from an Oxford academic, whose list of kings from the Second Dynasty is clearly from the time period that we consider the first. Google privileges a Britannica Kids entry saying the second dynasty arose in the 1100s BC, placing them after the Kassites. I don't like
Sealand Dynasty despite its use of the term. The lede is full of... shall we say, scholarly weasel words (not policy-violating
WP:WEASEL words, just reflecting academic uncertainty). But
Neo-Babylonian Empire isn't a clear choice either, since second empire =/= second dynasty.
That leaves me wanting to target somewhere broad.
List of Mesopotamian dynasties probably links to whatever the reader is looking for, but the organization leaves quite a lot to be desired (this again probably comes down to us just having to reconstruct these ancient societies as best we can). I think I'm just defaulting to delete and leaving it to search results. Note that the redirect is new, so it has minimal page views (but of course hasn't had much time to get them). --
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Delete per BDD, whose informative post I found interesting and convincing. --
Tavix(
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Delete per BDD. I agree entirely on
List of Mesopotamian dynasties, I really think that could be a useful target, but it's one of the least informative list articles I've seen thanks to its complete lack of structure and annotation, so I actually think the search results are preferable to either (a) several questionable targets or (b) a highly non-navigable list. ~
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Subrata roy (author)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus / retarget to
Subrata Roy. It's fairly routine in these situations with a retarget/delete split for me to close this way, recognizing both that there's no consensus and also that a default "keep" with no action would please no one. This one was a bit more difficult since there was expressed opposition to the proposed retarget, instead of just two sides making their argument in parallel. But we are encouraged to pursue
alternatives to deletion, so as a closer, I'm not comfortable with a delete outcome that isn't backed by clear consensus.
As in many cases, the deadlock can be broken by an article being written on another Subrata Roy better known as an author, if there's such a notable person. I think we can all agree that the scientist and the businessman have both authored works, but "author" is not the main word you'd use to describe either. While this is veering into personal opinion territory, an article on, say, a notable novelist could easily occupy
Subrata Roy (author). --
BDD (
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While scientists write papers, I'm not sure that the disambiguator (author) is really appropriate here. There's some other Subrata Roys with articles on Wikipedia, but none of them appear to be authors in the conventional sense. I would suggest deletion unless a justification or better solution can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 18:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Subrata Roy. All the hits for "Subrata Roy" author seem to be about the businessman whose article presently occupies the base title.
Thryduulf (
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Delete. There are no notable people named Subrata Roy who are known as authors. The miscapitalization makes this a slam dunk. --
Tavix(
talk) 23:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The facts disagree - the businessman is well known as an author based on all the google results about him that describe him as such. It's just his Wikipedia article considers it secondary to his notability as a businessman.
Thryduulf (
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When Wikipedia describes an author by that name, then a redirect should follow suit—not before. You have it backwards. It's puzzling that you allude to "facts" without evidence, but if you are so sure of his notability as an author, then you should have no issue citing that he is an author at his article. --
Tavix(
talk) 02:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
For clarity, I still stand by my miscapitalization argument. That's why I simply struck my delete suggestion instead of switching to retarget. --
Tavix(
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I still stand by my delete !vote. I would have gone for keep if the last name is properly capitalized.
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Retarget to
Subrata Roy per above. Why should the capitalisation matter? This redirect isn't harming anyone and functions the same purpose through the Wikipedia search mechanism as Subrata Roy (author) would; it's pointless time-wasting bureaucracy to delete this redirect and create the other one. Redirects don't have to be perfect, they just have to be usable. —
J947 ‡ message ⁓
edits 23:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Subrata Roy as he does have a books section in his article. I've added a hatnote to the scientist.
AngusWOOF (
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Delete. So far we've shown that "Subrata Roy (author)" can plausibly refer to
Subrata Roy (businessman),
Subrata Roy (scientist), and there is another writer named Subrata Roy who may be eligible for an article. Since the capitalisation is wrong here, I think we should delete the redirect, second choice disambiguate. I would strongly oppose retargetting the other Subrata Roy.
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Delete per Deryck's !vote above. Title is rather ambiguous and deletion would be more appropriate in this case.
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
BDD (
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Back on March 25, the "Spongebob Squarepants" counterpart was deleted, but I'm confused as to whether this was a real game (per
this list that
J947 provided over at the last discussion, which includes that name) or
WP:MADEUP (per
Lazlo25's rationalization for turning the former into a redirect on the grounds that it "[was] NOT a real game!"). As such, I'm suggesting we delete these two or retarget them wherever appropriate unless a justification can be provided as to why these redirect to their current targets. Regards,
SONIC678 00:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
O, the nominator is talking about the game, not the episode. I have never played any games related to SpongeBob. --
Soumya-8974talkcontribssubpages 04:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as a hoax. This game does not exist and there was formerly a hoax article. Six Google results total, include one of the above redirects.
IceWelder [
✉] 13:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I believe this is a chapter of a video game. All the best: RichFarmbrough 18:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC).reply
Retarget as working title of... whatever it was. All the best: RichFarmbrough 18:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC).reply
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Delete per 2pou. --
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Thinking Cap
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The result of the discussion was retarget to the soft redirect now at
Thinking cap. Note that the other discussion regarding the
uncapitalised version of this title was already closed with consensus to soft redirect to Wiktionary. I'm therefore treating the "soft redirect" consensus here, with most comments pre-dating that closure, as a consensus to just retarget this to that now-existing soft redirect page. There is not a compelling justification to have the two capitalisations of this point to different places, but the suggestion of moving the currently-targeted redirect to
Thinking Cap (DC Comics) is potentially helpful, and will do that in addition to retargeting it at this title. ~
mazcatalk 13:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
While that may be true, it's just one example of a much wider term and not even close to the primary topic. In my search results for "thinking cap" -Wikipedia there was only one DC comics related result in the top 50 and that was 13th.
Thryduulf (
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It does show, though, that it was a bad idea to bundle the two together. They were created for different reasons and have different rationales for changing.
SpinningSpark 22:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Separate them if you wish, but as the should both lead to the same target (whatever that is) and the same rationale applies to both (the current target is not the primary topic) I think bundling is correct here.
Thryduulf (
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It clearly isn't correct to bundle if participants are voting keep on a rationale that applies to only one. It is your view that they should be treated the same, but the reality is not everyone is agreeing with you.
SpinningSpark 09:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep. I don't really approve of redirects and dab page entries for minor fictional items and characters, but it seems to be the consensus to have them, and as we don't have an article at the (uncapitalised) primary topic it makes sense to keep this as it is.
SpinningSpark 09:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Soft redirect to
wikt:thinking cap. Given that this has been split, I'm reaffirming my opinion that readers will be best served by both capitalised and uncapitalised versions of this search term soft redirecting to Wiktionary in preference to only one of very many examples of thinking caps that will just confuse readers who are looking for either general information (most likely) or information on a different specific example from fiction or non-fiction.
Thryduulf (
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Soft redirect per Thryduulf. signed, Rosguilltalk 23:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Soft redirect as above. A capital C doesnt really make this less ambiguous and is likely to
WP:SURPRISE anyone that doesnt care about comics. -
2pou (
talk) 14:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Or Move without leaving a redirect to
Thinking Cap (DC Comics). @
Kailash29792: you can always just create this dabbed redirect as well if you think this that big of an element. -
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Comment I don't have an issue with the creation of
Thinking Cap (DC Comics) (although the target doesn't convince me of the need), but I remain opposed to
Thinking cap (
now a soft redirect) and
Thinking Cap leading to different pages and to the unqualified title being redirected to just one of very many specific uses.
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Pederasty in the Renaissance
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The result of the discussion was retarget to
Pederasty which seems to be the strongest-supported option (although nothing was enthusiastic). While there isn't much to say about Pederasty in the Renaissance at that target, it has been argued that there is enough to support a redirect. --
Tavix(
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Non-helpful redirect. The article covers general LGBT history during the period. This redirect gives the wrong ideas about what the section will be about and about what is considered LGBT.
★Trekker (
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Keep, for attribution reasons. This is a redirect from a
2010 merge that is substantially what the current section is still based on. ~
mazcatalk 21:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
No it's not. The section is about LGBT, not pedophilia. If the page is kept at all (I don't see why honestly) the it should be redirected somewhere else, possiblhy the main
pederasty article.
★Trekker (
talk) 21:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
See my comment below. Some of what he wrote about touched on normal gay history, even though that itself was distorted by him, but that small amount of overlap is enough to create a requirement of attribution. Crossroads-talk- 21:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Significant content was clearly removed from the poorly-sourced pederasty article and expressly merged, with modifications, to the current target. I agree that it's a poor title and a poor description of the content, and would agree with deleting it if not for this history, but this is generally how these things are attributed for copyright purposes. ~
mazcatalk 21:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: It contains non-trivial edit history. The article was created and largely written by Haiduc, who was banned by ArbCom in 2010 for reasons that are obvious based on
the ANI discussion about him. The content he wrote was dishonest propaganda exaggerating the prevalence and social standing of practices that in today's world non-
WP:Fringe sources call
child sexual abuse,
as explained here. (Part of this involved purposely combining relationships between grown males that really are gay history together with abusive relationships between a grown man and a young boy, and calling it all "pederasty".) This article was merged into
LGBT history, with changes, shortly after his ban, and more changes probably occurred since then. We probably need it for copyright reasons, but it should definitely stay a redirect. If someone more knowledgeable than me informs me that we actually do not need it, then I'd say delete. Crossroads-talk- 21:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Trystan. I hadn't thought of that. Crossroads-talk- 14:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Pederasty. Keeping the edit history for attribution purposes does not require keeping the current redirect target.--
Trystan (
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Comment There is actually a brief mention of child sexual abuse at the target section. In the section, it says that "The harshest punishments, such as burning at the stake, were usually reserved for crimes committed against the very young, or by violence." (emphasis mine).
Not a very active user (
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Unlike the below section, there's clear, serious harm here in conflating pederasty with LGBT practices. Retargeting is tempting, but
Pederasty really doesn't discuss the topic in the Renaissance, only noting that the term entered English during that period. Moving this page without leaving a redirect is probably the best way forward. The deletion summary should link to this discussion, and the history will still be accessible without the harm of the status quo. It's just a matter of finding something that's an acceptable redirect to
Pederasty that we don't already have—
Paedication, maybe? --
BDD (
talk) 20:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
This seems needlessly complicated. The
Pederasty article states, The word first appeared in the English language during the Renaissance, as pæderastie (e.g. in Samuel Purchas' Pilgrimes), in the sense of sexual relations between men and boys. This seems like plenty to justify the target. Crossroads-talk- 21:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Right, I noted that part of the article, but any reader using this search term would most likely be looking for the practice or idea of pederasty in the Renaissance, not the history of the word (cf.
WP:UMD). It no more answers the search query than it would
Pederasty in England (where Purchas was writing from). While the conflation of homosexuality and pederasty is by far the more pressing issue here, we still need to think about readers, what they look for, and how to accommodate them. --
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Pederasty in the modern world
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The result of the discussion was keep. --
Tavix(
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This redirect is mostly pointless, and the wording of it makes it seems like "Pederasty" is a term which is accepted in moder use as opposed to "child sexual abuse". The very short section it redirects to is only about modern views of historical use of the term.
★Trekker (
talk) 18:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete if we can, but it contains non-trivial edit history. The article was created and largely written by Haiduc, who was banned by ArbCom in 2010 for reasons that are obvious based on
the ANI discussion about him. The content he wrote was dishonest propaganda exaggerating the prevalence and social standing of practices that in today's world non-
WP:Fringe sources call
child sexual abuse,
as explained here, and which can be seen in this article as well. A merge with
Pederasty was done in 2008. In 2019, though, the Pederasty article was itself completely rewritten.
[2] So I'm not sure if we need this for copyright attribution or not, but if we do, it should obviously stay a redirect and pointing where it now does. The
Pederasty#Modern view section does in fact talk about modern views of practices that have been called pederasty (sex between a man and a boy). Crossroads-talk- 20:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I thought about this, but wouldn't that break attribution? The attribution in the history of Pederasty would go to the old title, which would be a red link and/or a nonexistent page and not lead to the edit history of the renamed redirect, thus defeating the purpose of keeping it. Crossroads-talk- 21:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Despite its sordid history, I don't see anything harmful about this redirect. We provide access with all sorts of variant and deprecated terms. If the article content gave such impressions about current use of the term "pederasty", that would be a separate, fixable issue. --
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Keep - to be clear, I know we need to keep this now. Crossroads-talk- 02:21, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Comparative morphology
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. This has been open for a hot minute. There was a good amount of options presented, and out of it all, I don't see a significant amount of support for any specific new option, and not a lot of opposition to the current target per comments in the discussion seemingly suggesting other targets, but not necessarily stating why the current target is problematic.
(non-admin closure)Steel1943 (
talk) 16:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Evolutionary physiology, which is what comparative morphology entails and is a subset of. Another article of this sort is
Comparative physiology, and there may be others. We probably need some merging. There are really only two topics here: the study of evolutionary relationships as evidenced by physiological morphology, between earlier and later life forms that appear to be related, such as fossil amphibians and modern salamanders; and the study of differences between and similarities among contemporary organisms [related or not], such as primates and felids. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 10:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm surprised it's at
Comparative Anatomy to begin with, because I've always known it as
Comparative morphology. Never heard of this new-fangled (?) term
Evolutionary physiology, but then again, I've been out of the loop for a decade or two. Still, I lean towards for keeping as-is, until I investigated this issue more.
Amphioxys (
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-> Comparative morphology First of all
Anatomy is a subset of
Morphology mostly concerning itself with macroscopic and internal structures and organs, including their placement and function with regards an organism's body functions, and especially of interest to medical/veterinarian applications.
Morphology is concerned with the different forms that bodily structures can take and their relationship with corresponding organs in other organisms. So I would unequivocally vote for having the article moved to
Comparative morphology. With regards to
Evolutionary physiology, despite its obvious overlap, this is an different field of study, focusing more on the evolutionary processes shaping bodily structures. The differences may seem subtle, but clear enough in my eyes.
Amphioxys (
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Comment whatever target we decide may need a hatnote for the linguistics meaning (though the biology meaning is the clear
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT by reliable-source usage and incoming links).
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I don't like multiple relists, but as such, we're headed to the sort of no-consensus close that pleases no one. Some discussion questions: is there a more specific place for the linguistic topic than
Morphology (linguistics)? Given the inherent ambiguity of the base term, would retargeting to the disambiguation page at
Morphology do any good?
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BDD (
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Retarget to the dab page
Morphology per BDD's suggestion in the relist, I don't see another way out of this situation due to the use of the term "morphology" across disciplines. signed, Rosguilltalk 22:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose retarget to
Morphology, comparative is not mentioned there and would be confusing for someone looking for something more specific. I haven't researched the topic enough to be comfortable to !vote this way, but from a glance, the current target doesn't look problematic per Amphioxys and 59. --
Tavix(
talk) 23:09, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
When I think of morphology, my first thought is linguistics. My hunch is that some form of comparative morphology exists for most or all fields that have a concept called morphology. signed, Rosguilltalk 19:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I think a specific disambiguation on "comparative morphology" may make sense if we have content on "comparative morphology" in multiple fields. The disambiguation page at
Morphology is too broad though, and thus unhelpful for those looking for specialized information on this exact topic. If we want to go this route, can we brainstorm a disambiguation? What's better for the linguistics term,
Comparative linguistics or
Morphology (linguistics)? Are there any other articles that would make sense?
Comparative physiology? --
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Steel1943 (
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Pinging
SMcCandlish and
Amphioxys; perhaps they've continued to follow this discussion, perhaps not. --
BDD (
talk) 18:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm agreeing with Tavix. For the linguistic one, I would use
Comparative linguistics, of which comparative morphology is conceptually half but in practice the bulk of the work (vs. comparative phonology). —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Back again! I'm strongly opposed to
Comparative physiology, because
Physiology is more focused on bodily functions rather than form. I'd prefer
Comparative morphology, which is the term I'm used to, but I would begrudgingly accept
Comparative anatomy, if need be. I know there is a discipline within
Linguistics called the same, but within
Biology, the discipline of
Morphology is well-established and ought not give rise to confusion within context.
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Francisco Javier Solana de Madariaga, Ph.D.
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The result of the discussion was speedy restore original target,
Javier Solana - the Antichrist target was indeed the indirect result of vandalism. This close is without prejudice to a future discussion if anyone thinks this is not a useful redirect.
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Possible G10, but since Xqbot is the most recent thing in the edit history, this may have been misplaced as a result of double-redirecting fixing after vandalism.
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Phaz
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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A Google search for this term brings up nothing associated with the Antichrist
Hog FarmBacon 14:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Enwiki has several mentions of "Phaz" in music contexts, but not sufficient for a retarget, so Search is better.
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Rockwell Space Shuttle
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REtarget per nom. Rockwell did not build the entire shuttle stack --
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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Wasn't notable enough to remain an article about the person, and redirect is just continually updated to their current employer, and has been that way
since 2007Strangerpete (
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@
Narky Blert: I noticed that
Giant Bomb has a few of these employee->company redirects, and I'm having trouble finding a relevant WP policy for this. It seems to me that even if one of the names is notable, if their respective article and the target article fail to mention or show notability, or a linked section, that it's a fairly useless redirect and shouldn't exist. But I'm hesitant to nominate all the names right off the bat though;
Ryan_Davis_(video_game_journalist) is the only one that appears appropriate. Should anyone listed as an employee get a redirect? -
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@
Strangerpete: Notability is irrelevant for redirects, it's utility that matters. I have a two-part test: is there useful info at the target? does the redirect impede searching? Alex Navarro fails at least the second part - type "Alex Navarro ." (the full stop bypasses the redirect) into the searchbox, and you'll see he crops up all over the place. A qualified title is OK if test #1 is met - readers can search easily without the qualifier.
Ryan_Davis_(video_game_journalist) is a good redirect - it points to a section with his name on it and 5 paras specifically about him. Furthermore, it has history which needs preserving - see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Davis (video game journalist). On the other hand,
Alex Navarro is basically only a name mentioned in passing.
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Chronology of the Bible.
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
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Delete I don't see enough history on this version to keep it around; it was only started this month from a user draft, while the article without the period is far more detailed and has been around since 2007.
AngusWOOF (
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Delete. per nom and consensus. of these various redirects with a period at the end. from which this is no different. This kinda seems like search bar clutter. Regards.
SONIC678 15:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete My feeling is that the original contributor has had ample opportunity to identify any remaining potential to add value, and the the failure to do so suggests that this was experimental use of the platform rather than a substantive effort to assist. Time to let it go, I'd say.
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MC
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The result of the discussion was keep. User has been reblocked for CIR issues and violating the spirit of their editing restrictions in general. They also withdrew this besides. --
ferret (
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MC is usually used as an initial for Minecraft, not Master of Ceremonies, and should be retargeted per
WP:COMMONNAME. Per
Zxcvbnm and
Hellknowz, i support a redirect to
MC (disambiguation) instead, as it can refer to many things. theultraUsurper 10:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose When I think of "MC", I think of "master of ceremonies", there is no way that the common use for it is Minecraft amongst the general populace. I might support moving
MC (disambiguation) there, however, if such a move discussion was made.ZXCVBNM (
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Oppose. Common name is definitely the term used and commonly abbreviated in multiple fields rather than a video game. As per Zxcvbnm, at best it would point to the dab page and not Minecraft. —
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Wikipedia:Wikipedia
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. User has been reblocked on CIR grounds and violating the general spirit of their editing restrictions about redirects. --
ferret (
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Oppose. In simple terms, someone typing
Wikipedia:About and
Wikipedia:Wikipedia are generally seeking the same thing: information about the website they're at. That information should be hosted at a single page,
Wikipedia:About, rather than sending users seeking the most basic kind of information on a chase through disambiguation pages and other hurdles. (We don't want to end up with a situation like our editing intro, where many new users get sent to the awful
Help:Getting started, which is basically a disambiguation page, and then have to decide for themselves which of our
47 attempts at creating a unified editing intro they want to use, assuming they don't just give up, as most probably do.) Granted,
Wikipedia:About could use a major overhaul, since right now it's far too long and trying too hard to be an encyclopedia article rather than an accessible introduction. But when a topic's page isn't the best, we should improve the page, not direct users to a different topic. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Well, the article
Wikipedia is also gives information about the website they're at. I think that would be more helpful. theultraUsurper 10:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Plenty of people have opined that this redirect would be a better name for the Main Page than what it is. To put it succinctly: this redirect has practically no chance of being retargeted anywhere due to heaps of old links.
No chance.(non-admin closure) —
J947 ‡ message ⁓
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Not sure if this is the right place to address this, but i don't this anyone searching "Wikipedia:Main Page" would want to go to the main page, but rather read an article on the Wikipedia main page. theultraUsurper 05:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Reublic of Korea Army
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
Tavix(
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This is the only such misspelling of Republic on Wikipedia, and a completely unnecessary one, especially for this article. theultraUsurper 04:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep; harmless. Nitpicking, but this isn't the
only such misspelling on the site. —
J947 ‡ message ⁓
edits 06:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Those are just some spelling mistakes on some pages, and i was talking about redirects. The redirect
Reublic doesn't exist, so this shouldn't too. Also, just because something is "harmless", doesn't mean we should push an incorrect redirect. theultraUsurper 06:25, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
FWIW, typos are not the harmful type of incorrect by any stretch. —
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Delete, I'm not sure if it's a plausible misspelling, also it seems to get light years less pageviews than its target. Regards,
SONIC678 04:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as an implausible typo. "Republik" and "republick" would be plausible, given the vagaries of English spelling (especially for learners). But we cannot account for every dropped letter, or we'd also need "epublic", "rpublic", "repblic", "repulic", "repubic", "republc", "republi", and similar patterns for every article. We should only keep typo redirs that are in patterns that make linguistic sense to occur with some regularity. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per SMcCandlish above. Unlikely misspelling, not common enough for it to have its own redirect.
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Wikipedia:5D
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Nom has been reblocked on CIR/editing restriction issues about redirects. For the record, 5D refers to "five disclaimers". --
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I'm struggling to understand what this has to with it's target. If it does have something to do with it, please correct me. theultraUsurper 03:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
BDD (
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Delete per nom, at least until there's a new Schulman/Joost project announced. At its current target, this thing might cause confusion. Regards,
SONIC678 21:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep for now. This is the result of a page move in May and it is still getting multiple hits most days so it is clearly still useful.
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Delete per Sonic678. --
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Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 2
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The result of the discussion was delete. Speculative at best, not mentioned in target, potentially created in bad faith. ~
mazcatalk 23:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Not actually the name of the target as far as I can tell, created by an editor later blocked for multiple reasons. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguilltalk 19:25, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Galaxy Z Fold 2 could be confused with Flip 2, also as mention by Shhhnotsoloud, it is a future product, and should be turned into an article once announced. Also i'm no longer blocked.
theultraUsurper 14:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Rosguill: Can someone relist this as it seems like no one is commenting on this and i'm getting kinda bored? Thanks.
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
N.b.
User:UltraUsurper (redirect creator) is now blocked for "wasting massive amounts of other editor times in the redirect space.".
Shhhnotsoloud (
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Delete due to a lack of mention. Redirects should never be created simply because someone is "bored". Good block. --
Tavix(
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Delete If we can't tell if this is referring to an entirely speculative model or a misnomer for an upcoming one, that's weak stuff indeed. --
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List of Middle-earth articles by category
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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Saw this was an R from move too late, this probably needs kept.
(non-admin closure)Hog FarmBacon 01:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The target article is not a list of articles by category, nor do I believe that one exists for this subject.
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The Bad Guys (upcoming film)
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The result of the discussion was delete. --
BDD (
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Retarget to
The Bad Guys (film), which is what it's referring to, and which already has an article, at least until that movie is released. When that happens, the redirect can always be deleted to free up some space for articles about other movies by that title. Regards,
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CycloneYoristalk! 01:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. The article exists at a different title, so a placeholder redirect is unnecessary. It would be deleted after the film is released anyway, but we might as well take care of it now while we're here. --
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Tavix(
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Maybe I'm missing something super-obvious, but when I see "Template:G" my first thought is definitely not "oh, that's for adding spaces". The initial recreation of this template had the summary used all over the place, but at current count I only see 147 (which, granted, is not nothing, but not a huge amount either). In other words, for a single-letter template there's no good connection to the target and it makes no sense to have it pointing there.
Primefac (
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Keep Sometimes people need to go back to old versions of pages. (I think that is why we keep the page histories.) We therefore want the old versions to work. It is a huge pain, if they do not work because they have calls to deleted templates whose function is non-obvious. Keeping this redirect therefore helps preserve the functionality of old versions of pages.--
Toddy1(talk) 14:20, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
"breaks old transclusions" is never a reason to keep things. Otherwise we would have never deleted {{
persondata}} or any of dozens upon dozens of templates. If people are confused by a sudden redlinked template, they can go to it and see why.
Primefac (
talk) 00:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. I'm sympathetic to
Toddy1's concerns here, but this is such a bad redirect that it just shouldn't exist, and I think the benefit from preventing future uses outweighs any harm in mangling page histories. Such harm could be further mitigated by keeping a record of deleted (or changed) template shortcuts. Does such a page exist for keeping track of these? If not, it might be worth setting up. –
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Replace and delete. There are only 141 transclusions of this confusingly unintuitive template name, and I'm about to make that a shorter list. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 23:57, 28 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Update: Now there are 0. Most of them were due to transclusion or substitution of a handful of templates (especially a long-deleted one named shoutbox), while most of the rest were due to having been added to infoboxes by one editor who focused on Dutch bios. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 00:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I presume it was G for "gap" or something? Wild. Not useful to keep around, now that it's been removed in use, deletion would be ideal. ~ Amory(
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Freshman Year (Album)
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Originally nominated for speedy deletion by @
Yeehaw45 with the reason "This page should be deleted as it was made under a typo and server no purpose, if there were to be this page, it should redirect to the "
Freshman Year (album)" page"
FASTILY 01:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget. This is a {{
R from move}} and when retargetted will be a completely harmless redirect to the obviously correct target.
Thryduulf (
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Delete since the correct version exists.
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Retarget to
Freshman Year (album). It's old, reasonable, and not harmful. Why delete when there's a clear good target?
Hog FarmBacon 02:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Retarget, because it's an {{R from move}}; would say to delete it otherwise, since capital-A "(Album)" isn't a WP disambiguator. —
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Giro del pepino
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The result of the discussion was Delete/
WP:CSD#G3. ~ Amory(
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All look to be nonsense redirects created by the same user (see also
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 23#Mono Kbron). No meaningful results in Google (mostly things related to these redirects most likely) and none appear anywhere on Wikipedia let alone on the relevant articles. Amorfo Kbron has a particularly interesting history, originally redirecting to
Adam Copeland, then
Lewis Hamilton (which is where Mono Kbron links), and finally John Cena.
A7V2 (
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Thankyou to those who have clarified what the names mean. I forgot to add in my original listing but I support deleting all.
A7V2 (
talk) 01:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete These are just insults in Spanish. John Sida, Yon Sida, related to AIDS. Rapero Amorfo ->amorphous rapper Amorfo Kbron -> Amorphous asshole. Giro del Pepino ->Awesome twist, but isn't the official name. Del pepino is when you sya something is very big colloquially --
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Yes its certainly surprising these have existed since June 2008 but indeed I have searched for Amorfo Kbron and apart from social media there appears indeed to be things about insults in Spanish. I expect all should be deleted. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 19:46, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete the two Sida ones per
WP:G10. Abusive insult about AIDS used nowhere in reliable sources.
Hog FarmBacon 17:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete. A bunch of Spanish insults, shocking how these weren't deleted ages ago.
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B00n
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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory(
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Not mentioned in target article, a Google search indicates this is a slang term not widely used in reliable sources.
Hog FarmBacon 00:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Hog Farm: I guess
n00b but backwards? I don't have an opinion on whether or not to keep this.
theultraUsurper 02:54, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. I don't see any evidence that "n00b" backwards is in actual use by anyone. Nor do we normally have a bunch of 0/o redirects, because people don't seem to often actually confuse the characters. If they did, I could see redirecting this to
boon. What's more apt to happen is confusion between capital O and 0, especially in arbitrary strings like serial/model numbers. —
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1101110 0110000 0110000 1100010
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Tavix(
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I'm highly confused as to what this has to do with the target.
Hog FarmBacon 00:35, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It's apparently "n00b" in binary code. —
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edits 00:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: It is highly unlikely that someone will search this for
newbie, especially since
n00b already exists in Wikipedia, and we don't need a binary format of that.
theultraUsurper 02:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Not an obvious redirect at all whatsoever. I wouldn't expect most people to search in binary code.ZXCVBNM (
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Delete. In addition to the above, I can't find any actual uses of it just a handful of explanations of what it means (not all of which are independent of each other).
Thryduulf (
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It isn't recently created so it doesn't qualify for R3. —
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Tavix(
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Enwiki has no content about Rhimdath.
Hog FarmBacon 00:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. With exactly no instances of this term in article space (and nothing in project space other than lists of titles) this is not a useful redirect.
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Draft:Willy surgery
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Apparently created in 2018 as a redirect from the draftspace to the articlespace. Delete per
WP:XNR. Note that
Willy surgery doesn't exist, and probably shouldn't.
Hog FarmBacon 00:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: that's an absurd redirect.
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