- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: Userfy and Delete related categories * Pppery * it has begun... 16:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound
New "WikiProject", arbitrarily created by one user within the past few days with absolutely no discernible evidence of any consensus that there was any need for it. As always, WikiProjects are not free for just one user to create on a whim, and need some kind of broad consensus for their creation and use -- but although it was technically "proposed" by the creator per Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Southern African Music and Sound, its proposal generated absolutely no discussion whatsoever, and then the creator just proceeded to create it themselves anyway despite the lack of any discussion, and there's no evidence of any actual participation beyond the creator. They've also created a bunch of empty project categories without filing anything in any of them, which is not standard process either -- and even if such a project were warranted, "music & sound" isn't the name that would be expected for it anyway, since it would be a subproject of "WikiProject Music", not "WikiProject Music & Sound". A WikiProject is a group of editors, not a group of articles, so there would need to be evidence that numerous editors are participating in it, which I can't find. Bearcat ( talk) 01:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are relevant discussions about the proposals process at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council; I invite any interested editors to join them. The bottom line is that we are in the process of re-writing the proposals system. This was the last proposal made under the "old" rules.
- I do not suggest deleting these pages. Userification would be preferable. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 16:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy. Deletion is overkill, especially if they were following the instructions. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nomination seems unnecesarilly cantankerous, especially as creator made an effort to follow the established process at the time. Agree with userfy — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Relaying a comment made by Viljowf at the WikiProject’s talk page:
Hi there, this project is externally funded and I am in the process of having a group of editors sign up. I am happy to answer any questions, but please give it until the end of March? Viljowf ( talk) 14:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- (FYI, Viljowf, further comments regarding this WikiProject’s deletion nomination should be made on this page; so as not to unintentionally split the discussion.) All the best. — a smart kitten[ meow 15:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I'll respond to any further discussions here. I have created a campaign for editor sign-up here:
https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/SADiLaR/WikiProject_Southern_African_Music_and_Sound?enroll=iqjgzoyb
Viljowf (
talk) 15:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the correct link, apologies: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/SADiLaR/New_Editor_Onboarding_Sprint_(March_2024)?enroll=wydrpisx Viljowf ( talk) 05:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Bearcat, please see my comment above. About the "Music & Sound": this is to keep up with developments in musicology branching into sound studies. Viljowf ( talk) 15:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Awesome Aasim 00:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- If this is deleted, please also summarily delete
Category:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound and all its subcats under
WP:G6. –
Fayenatic
London 12:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am in the process of onboarding new editors. Please see the dashboard for details. Can we now remove this page from the deletion list?
Viljowf (
talk) 10:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to see them make more than one edit. —
Alalch E. 21:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Things are a bit slow over the Easter holidays, but things should pick up again next week. Thanks for your patience with us. 165.73.138.52 ( talk) 10:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to see them make more than one edit. —
Alalch E. 21:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am in the process of onboarding new editors. Please see the dashboard for details. Can we now remove this page from the deletion list?
Viljowf (
talk) 10:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy + Delete related categories. Experience has shown that multiple tiny WikiProjects is Bad, Actually. The most effective and useful WikiProjects are the large ones with wide scopes - we don't need to slice everything up to narrow subdomains. If there's a group that wants to organize some work, fantastic, move this to a subpage of
WP:WikiProject South Africa and discuss & organize away, but we don't need the full machinery of tagging, article quality templates, etc. for a meetup group. If the group proves successful, you can consider adding a task force param to the WikiProject South Africa template like "music=y", but that shouldn't be the first priority.
SnowFire (
talk) 21:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Snowfire. Can we find a compromise here? The goal is not a small meetup group but something more like art + feminism. I'm happy to shelf the rating categories for now, but I'd like to compile at least one category to keep track of all the articles related to SA music & sound on wikipedia. Would you please explain to me why this would be a bad thing? Could you suggest a better way to this, perhaps a portal? Viljowf ( talk) 09:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy but delete any associated pages per above.— Alalch E. 00:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: Userfy and Delete related categories * Pppery * it has begun... 16:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound
New "WikiProject", arbitrarily created by one user within the past few days with absolutely no discernible evidence of any consensus that there was any need for it. As always, WikiProjects are not free for just one user to create on a whim, and need some kind of broad consensus for their creation and use -- but although it was technically "proposed" by the creator per Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Southern African Music and Sound, its proposal generated absolutely no discussion whatsoever, and then the creator just proceeded to create it themselves anyway despite the lack of any discussion, and there's no evidence of any actual participation beyond the creator. They've also created a bunch of empty project categories without filing anything in any of them, which is not standard process either -- and even if such a project were warranted, "music & sound" isn't the name that would be expected for it anyway, since it would be a subproject of "WikiProject Music", not "WikiProject Music & Sound". A WikiProject is a group of editors, not a group of articles, so there would need to be evidence that numerous editors are participating in it, which I can't find. Bearcat ( talk) 01:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are relevant discussions about the proposals process at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council; I invite any interested editors to join them. The bottom line is that we are in the process of re-writing the proposals system. This was the last proposal made under the "old" rules.
- I do not suggest deleting these pages. Userification would be preferable. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 16:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy. Deletion is overkill, especially if they were following the instructions. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nomination seems unnecesarilly cantankerous, especially as creator made an effort to follow the established process at the time. Agree with userfy — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Relaying a comment made by Viljowf at the WikiProject’s talk page:
Hi there, this project is externally funded and I am in the process of having a group of editors sign up. I am happy to answer any questions, but please give it until the end of March? Viljowf ( talk) 14:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- (FYI, Viljowf, further comments regarding this WikiProject’s deletion nomination should be made on this page; so as not to unintentionally split the discussion.) All the best. — a smart kitten[ meow 15:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I'll respond to any further discussions here. I have created a campaign for editor sign-up here:
https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/SADiLaR/WikiProject_Southern_African_Music_and_Sound?enroll=iqjgzoyb
Viljowf (
talk) 15:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the correct link, apologies: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/SADiLaR/New_Editor_Onboarding_Sprint_(March_2024)?enroll=wydrpisx Viljowf ( talk) 05:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Bearcat, please see my comment above. About the "Music & Sound": this is to keep up with developments in musicology branching into sound studies. Viljowf ( talk) 15:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Awesome Aasim 00:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- If this is deleted, please also summarily delete
Category:WikiProject Southern African Music & Sound and all its subcats under
WP:G6. –
Fayenatic
London 12:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am in the process of onboarding new editors. Please see the dashboard for details. Can we now remove this page from the deletion list?
Viljowf (
talk) 10:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to see them make more than one edit. —
Alalch E. 21:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Things are a bit slow over the Easter holidays, but things should pick up again next week. Thanks for your patience with us. 165.73.138.52 ( talk) 10:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd like to see them make more than one edit. —
Alalch E. 21:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am in the process of onboarding new editors. Please see the dashboard for details. Can we now remove this page from the deletion list?
Viljowf (
talk) 10:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy + Delete related categories. Experience has shown that multiple tiny WikiProjects is Bad, Actually. The most effective and useful WikiProjects are the large ones with wide scopes - we don't need to slice everything up to narrow subdomains. If there's a group that wants to organize some work, fantastic, move this to a subpage of
WP:WikiProject South Africa and discuss & organize away, but we don't need the full machinery of tagging, article quality templates, etc. for a meetup group. If the group proves successful, you can consider adding a task force param to the WikiProject South Africa template like "music=y", but that shouldn't be the first priority.
SnowFire (
talk) 21:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Snowfire. Can we find a compromise here? The goal is not a small meetup group but something more like art + feminism. I'm happy to shelf the rating categories for now, but I'd like to compile at least one category to keep track of all the articles related to SA music & sound on wikipedia. Would you please explain to me why this would be a bad thing? Could you suggest a better way to this, perhaps a portal? Viljowf ( talk) 09:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy but delete any associated pages per above.— Alalch E. 00:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.