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Category:Melodeonists by nationality
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Melodeon.
Category:Scottish melodeonists will be merged as well.
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- Nominator's rationale: Only one nationality in this category
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Category:9th century in the Holy Roman Empire
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- Nominator's rationale:
Holy Roman Empire didn't really exist until the coronation of Otto I in 962. (it's arguable that the beginning of the Holy Roman Empire was 800 when Charlemagne was crowned). But in this case the category is extremely underpopulated.
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Category:Australian convict women
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
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- Nominator's rationale: Something to make it clearer who belongs in the category, parent is "Convicts transported to Australia"
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Category:18+
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
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- Nominator's rationale: This category is blatant nonsense. —
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Category:Radio in Senegambia
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- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category since there is no content beside for the separate countries. Trivial intersection between geographical region and media.
Marcocapelle (
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- delete. I agree that this is trivial intersection
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Category:Hunters from the Russian Empire
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Hunters from the Russian Empire
Category:Russian municipal police chiefs
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Category:Anti-capitalists from the Russian Empire
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Anti-capitalists from the Russian Empire
Category:Russian Empire escapees
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Russian Empire escapees
Category:Adoptees in the Russian Empire
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Adoptees in the Russian Empire
Category:British people in colonial Australia
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:British people in colonial Australia
Category:14th-century BC mayors
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Category:Biologists from British India
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Biologists from British India
Category:Social workers in British India
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Social workers in British India
Category:Trade unionists in British India
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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Trade unionists in British India
Category:Linguists in British India
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Category:Circus performers in British India
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Category:Scholars in British India
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Category:Albanians in Yugoslavia
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Yugoslav Albanians.
(non-admin closure)
House
Blaster
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- Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat
Mason (
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- Merge per nom.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment: It seems to me "Albanians in Yugoslavia" has Albanians by nationality, whereas "Yugoslav Albanians" has Albanians by ethnicity (i.e.
Kosovo Albanians from
SAP Kosovo). This is not made clear by category names, however. –
Vipz (
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- @
Vipz: it seems that all three articles in
Category:Albanians in Yugoslavia are ethnic Albanians, so merging is justifiable.
Marcocapelle (
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- It's a "it just so happens" situation that Albanians by nationality in this category are also Albanians by ethnicity. What we're essentially doing by the merge is deleting a
nationality category in favor of an
ethnicity category. Anyway, what differentiates it from its parent category,
Category:Yugoslav people of Albanian descent? –
Vipz (
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- Merge. Too much overlap, and too much risk of confusion for editors. We categorized first and foremost by
defining characteristics, and if someone is defined as an Albanian that's how we should describe them as well. We don't ask articles their passport. In some cases it is very clear which precise citizenship an individual held at a given time (this stuff tends to change over time), but in many many cases this notion is too blurry to assume we would be able to tell the difference well enough to have separate categories between several kinds of Yugoslav Albanians.
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Category:Ethnic Albanian people
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Category:Ethnic Albanian writers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Albanian-language writers.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: parent category is being requested to merge
Mason (
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- Oppose, ethnicity is something different than descent from an emigrant.
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- Delete. These are just two poorly-categorized articles. In principle, per the reasoning at
this CfD about "ethnic" Armenians writers, I would be in favour of placing someone predominantly defined as an Albanian writer directly in
Category:Albanian writers. However, this does not seem to be the case here.
Kristina Gentile Mandala's ethnicity is better defined as
Arbëreshë people, which is even more precise that Albanian, and that's where the article is already categorized.
Idriz Ajeti is already in
Yugoslav Albanians and
Kosovo Albanians, as well as several Kosovo-related categories (which is in majority Albanian) and in
Albanologists. The occupational intersection brings nothing, and the supposed defining link between these two biographies is very thin. One could argue to add both articles to
Category:Albanian-language writers, though.
Place Clichy (
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- I would also support renaming as nom in the spirit of consensus as a better outcome than keeping things as they are. However I still believe that of Albanian descent is not the appropriate way to describe the two individuals involved, and I consider that
Category:Albanian-language writers is a better definition of what they are. @
Smasongarrison and
Marcocapelle: what do you think is the appropriate action to take?
Place Clichy (
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- I feel similar to @
Place Clichy. FWIW, I don't love my original proposal, but wanted to suggest *anything* that might be an improvement. How would merging the category into people of albanian descent sound, without opposition to creating
Writers of Albanian descent if that hit a critical mass, and then purging the category?
Mason (
talk) 11:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Then I suggest to merge to
Category:Albanian-language writers. For writers, their language of expression may be the most clear sign of the cultural identification.
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Category:Scientists from the German Empire
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Category:German scientists.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection
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Category:Artists from the German Empire
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Category:German artists.
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- Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection
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Category:Architects from the German Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:German architects.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection
Mason (
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- If not kept, merge to
Category:German architects.
Marcocapelle (
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- Keep & populate Surely there were more than 2. The country existed almost half a century in relatively recent history. The last ones will have died in the early 21st century.
NLeeuw (
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- The problem is that JLP makes these empire categories and then neglects them. (Or removes the folks from the other categories)
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Category:Sculptors from the German Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:German sculptors.
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- Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection
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Category:Astronomers from the German Empire
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Category:German astronomers.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection
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- Oppose: the German Empire included, at least for a while, parts of what is now Poland and France, and had many citizens who did not consider themselves German: this sort of hedge is potentially useful for people whose self-identification is no longer possible to recover (not
German/German Empire, but
Nicolaus Copernicus is the crowning example).
UndercoverClassicist
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Category:Redirects from UK postcode districts
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- The result of the discussion was: keep.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: Match the naming style of the parent category (
Category:Redirects from postal codes), and that of the rcat template ({{
R from UK postcode}}), neither of which add the word district. user:
A smart kitten
meow 10:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- M50 2EQ is a postcode whereas M50 is a postcode district.
[1]
MRSC (
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- @
MRSC: That’s fair enough - I don’t think I gave enough explanation in my nomination, so sorry about that. What prompted me to make this nomination is because of (e.g.) the unique non-geographic full postcodes listed at
List of postcode areas in the United Kingdom#Non-geographic postcodes, which could plausibly be turned into redirects and be tagged with {{
R from UK postcode}}, but wouldn’t fit in the corresponding category
Category:Redirects from UK postcode districts. Best, user:
A smart kitten
meow 14:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Comment As MRSC says, the contents are postcode districts, not postcodes. And unless I am mistaken the main article is
List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom. However, I shall do no more than comment because I find CfD arbitrary and a arbitrary !vote by me would not be helpful.
Thincat (
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- ... and it may be worth noting
Category:Postcode areas of the United Kingdom
Thincat (
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- Keep. Yes, it's a question of word usage because a lot of people do say postcode when they mean only the district. I agree with
Thincat that the terms are area (XX), district (XX99) and code (XX99 9ZZ). I'm suggesting a keep because we should really comply with terms that are strictly correct but I can well understand confusion arising: my postcode bears no relation at all to where I actually live (wrong postal town and wrong county)!
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Category:PSOTY
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted per CfD on
9JUN2023, but the only difference I notice from before is one additional album and a few more categorized redirects. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars
Talk to me 09:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Priests in South Africa
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: Category is more useful as a nationality category
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Category:Emigrants from British Overseas Territories to the United Kingdom
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Category:Immigrants to the United Kingdom.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: I think that we should either delete this category OR convert it into the parent category
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Category:Bhutanese musicians by instrument
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- Nominator's rationale: only one category that could easily be in the main category
Mason (
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- Found several more instruments that are solo instruments
- Nominator's rationale: Found another fairly empty by "instrument"
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Category:Romans who received the grass crown
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LaundryPizza03 (
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- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the parent category (Ancient Romans) and making it clearer when the context is
Mason (
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- Additional noms from 20:01, 27 September 2023
- Nominator's rationale: Same reasoning of consistency/clarity
Mason (
talk) 20:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 04:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Rename all as outlined because the context is important. At first glance,
Category:Roman prisoners of war could easily mean Italian soldiers in World War II who came from Rome.
PearlyGigs (
talk) 13:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom (and as creator of one of them).
Iazyges
Consermonor
Opus meum 15:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Great. I'll try to dig around to see if there are any I missed.
Mason (
talk) 20:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Comment: I note that the word "Romans" nearly always means "ancient Romans"; while technically it could be used for inhabitants of medieval or modern Rome, there can't be that many uses of the term in English compared with examples of Romans from antiquity. And most of these categories consist entirely of ancient Romans, some of them because the concepts they relate to belong exclusively to ancient Rome (for example, no Romans were deified after the fourth century; there were no Roman gentes or equites or patricians [except in a very limited sense, not the classical one] post-Roman Empire). So in many cases, "ancient" is redundant and a little bit ridiculous. Doing a silly thing just to keep everything consistent, even when there's no risk of confusion, seems like a poor rationale.
P Aculeius (
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- Unnecessary Per P Aculeius. Adding "ancient" in these cases is redundant. In every case it is clear that "Roman" means "ancient Romans"; I can't believe anyone would confuse "Roman prisoners of war" with Italian POWs of any war from Rome, & that would not be a notable category. Further, in some cases adding "ancient" would actually lead to some confusion, for example would some think "ancient Roman patricians" excludes Roman Patricians who flourished during the Empire? Hypercorrectness would engender this kind of confusion. --
llywrch (
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- There are some categories for which it is obvious that it is about ancient Romans, and some other categories for which it is not obvious at all, e.g.
Category:Lists of Roman people. Surely the latter type of categories should be renamed, but for consistency I still prefer all of them to be renamed.
Marcocapelle (
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- Rename All Don't disagree that the additional word is needed on some but not all of the individual categories. But consistency here will help with both reader navigation and keeping it simple for category creators. -
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