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The result was delete. Closing this as Delete on the basis of arguments that a person of their position does not meet WP:NPOL. If our policy expands the definition of what NPOL covers, this closure can be revisited. Thanks also to editors who thoughtfully comment on AFD discussions that have gone through 3 relistings...your participation is what we hope for when we decide to relist discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 03:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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No indication of importance person. All the sources not a reliable sources.. Stvbastian ( talk) 05:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Can you clarify why you think the sources in the article are not reliable? They seem reliable from a glance; whether they provide WP:SIGCOV or not is another matter. Curbon7 ( talk) 23:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm admittedly not an expert in Indonesian politics, but he appears to hold a seat in an Indonesian provincial legislature, and thus would pass
WP:NPOL #1 right on its face. I'm willing to reconsider if I'm wrong about what the North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council is, but provincial legislators are important topics for us to have articles about — so the article can be tagged for {{
refimprove}} if you feel strongly that the sourcing isn't adequate, but there's no such thing as a non-notable provincial legislator.
Bearcat (
talk) 14:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Indonesia is a unitary state (not federal) so typically membership of a subnational legislature would not meet NPOL#1, unless this is a Spain-like situation where the provinces have tremendous autonomy. I am also not well-versed in Indonesian politics so do not know if this is the case. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Hi Curbon7 and Bearcat.. For sources, in Indonesia, we have some well-known newspaper that usually used in Wikipedia article such as: Antara, Kompas, Detik, and Jakarta Post (has been proven to be verified by the editor before publication). Sources in that article not a well-known source. Source #1 is a primary source. And why i said "no indication of importance person" because the main article of the Provinicial Parliament page is a redlink --> North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council, and this person did not make a big impact in the provincial politics, has not provided any achievements in other fields, so it does not receive enough attention from reliable media.'Thank u Stvbastian ( talk) 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Only members of the National House of Representatives are presumed notable per WP:NPOL, not members of regional houses. Therefore, the coverage requirements outlined in WP:SIGCOV apply to the this person, in which he falls short. Ckfasdf ( talk) 01:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete does not satisfy WP:NPOL, Indonesia's provincial representative bodies are akin to municipal councils (administrative powers, rather than legislative), with the exception of Aceh (there's a possible case for the West Papuan ones, but that is much weaker IMHO). I do not see any sourcing satisfying the GNG. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, previous AfD discussions, where members of subnational bodies without legislative powers have not been accorded presumed notability under WP:NPOL: France, Netherlands, Japan (further details at WP:NSUBPOL and this 2019 discussion). Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 03:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As explained by Goldsztain, it does not appear that Indonesia's provincial representative bodies pass WP:NPOL and there is no indication that GNG is met. -- Enos733 ( talk) 03:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Closing this as Delete on the basis of arguments that a person of their position does not meet WP:NPOL. If our policy expands the definition of what NPOL covers, this closure can be revisited. Thanks also to editors who thoughtfully comment on AFD discussions that have gone through 3 relistings...your participation is what we hope for when we decide to relist discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 03:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Yusra Alhabsyi
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No indication of importance person. All the sources not a reliable sources.. Stvbastian ( talk) 05:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Indonesia. Stvbastian ( talk) 05:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Can you clarify why you think the sources in the article are not reliable? They seem reliable from a glance; whether they provide WP:SIGCOV or not is another matter. Curbon7 ( talk) 23:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm admittedly not an expert in Indonesian politics, but he appears to hold a seat in an Indonesian provincial legislature, and thus would pass
WP:NPOL #1 right on its face. I'm willing to reconsider if I'm wrong about what the North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council is, but provincial legislators are important topics for us to have articles about — so the article can be tagged for {{
refimprove}} if you feel strongly that the sourcing isn't adequate, but there's no such thing as a non-notable provincial legislator.
Bearcat (
talk) 14:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Indonesia is a unitary state (not federal) so typically membership of a subnational legislature would not meet NPOL#1, unless this is a Spain-like situation where the provinces have tremendous autonomy. I am also not well-versed in Indonesian politics so do not know if this is the case. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Hi Curbon7 and Bearcat.. For sources, in Indonesia, we have some well-known newspaper that usually used in Wikipedia article such as: Antara, Kompas, Detik, and Jakarta Post (has been proven to be verified by the editor before publication). Sources in that article not a well-known source. Source #1 is a primary source. And why i said "no indication of importance person" because the main article of the Provinicial Parliament page is a redlink --> North Sulawesi Regional People's Representative Council, and this person did not make a big impact in the provincial politics, has not provided any achievements in other fields, so it does not receive enough attention from reliable media.'Thank u Stvbastian ( talk) 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Only members of the National House of Representatives are presumed notable per WP:NPOL, not members of regional houses. Therefore, the coverage requirements outlined in WP:SIGCOV apply to the this person, in which he falls short. Ckfasdf ( talk) 01:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Allfather (Benison) ( talk) 06:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 09:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete does not satisfy WP:NPOL, Indonesia's provincial representative bodies are akin to municipal councils (administrative powers, rather than legislative), with the exception of Aceh (there's a possible case for the West Papuan ones, but that is much weaker IMHO). I do not see any sourcing satisfying the GNG. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, previous AfD discussions, where members of subnational bodies without legislative powers have not been accorded presumed notability under WP:NPOL: France, Netherlands, Japan (further details at WP:NSUBPOL and this 2019 discussion). Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 03:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete As explained by Goldsztain, it does not appear that Indonesia's provincial representative bodies pass WP:NPOL and there is no indication that GNG is met. -- Enos733 ( talk) 03:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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