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Fails notability policy per
WP:ONEEVENT. Generally city council members are not notable for their political careers, and this particular politician is only notable for a shoplifting scandal leading to her suicide.
4meter4 (
talk) 22:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Tokyo city is a prefecture (i.e. state/province level), so membership of its legislature counts under N:POL. If that fails (say, she's actually a councillor of a subdivision of the city), then Move to
Suicide of Asaki Akiyo. The media coverage around the event and the subsequent defamation charges seem likely to make this notable. The Japanese language article is enormous and has 144 refs.
Furius (
talk) 18:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗plicit 23:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment – I have no opinion on notability, but I just wanted to note that
WP:NPOL doesn't apply. By its terms, the provincial-legislator provision of NPOL only applies to
federal states, not unitary ones
like Japan.
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 06:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Surely the prefectural system counts under the "or similar" part of that guideline?
Furius (
talk) 15:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
TheChronium 09:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment. Given that we aren’t likely to get much more input, I would be ok with a move to
Suicide of Asaki Akiyo for the sake of closing out this nom and reaching a consensus if that is ok with
Furius.
4meter4 (
talk) 16:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I'm happy with that.
Furius (
talk) 16:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Commentthe provincial-legislator provision of NPOL only applies to
federal states, not unitary ones
like Japan. That's not a quite correct interpretation of NPOL; there are quite a number of non-federal states with sub-national parliamentary jurisdictions whose members satisfy NPOL, eg Faroe Islands, Åland, Curaçao, Zanzibar. There's also cases such as the French conseils régional or the Indonesian Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat Daerah (especially since the fall of the Orde Baru and the reforms of the late 90s) which sit in an undetermined (AFAIA?) area vis à vis NPOL. --
Goldsztajn (
talk) 21:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Goldsztajn, I did find a brief discussion of the French regional councils and NPOL; you can read it
here. Everyone there seemed to agree that members of the regional councils didn't meet NPOL because they lacked substantial discretion to decide policy. (See also
this AfD, which followed the same premise.) Broadly speaking, I'd say the same reasoning applies to Japan:
our article states that the prefectures only exercise delegated power subject to the ultimate oversight of the central government.
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 23:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Extraordinary Writ, am in heated agreement with regard to prefectures and Japan. I was just trying to emphasise that a unitary state is not per se exclusionary of having subnational parliamentary bodies that meet NPOL as my cases of Denmark, Finland, Netherlands and Tanzania demonstrate. Thanks for the link on the discussion regarding France, will read through it. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 01:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Move to
Death of Asaki Akiyo because the article and the jawiki one focus on her death and contain little info about her life. (
t ·
c) buidhe 07:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Move not clear to me that death is better than suicide for the title (is there anything more than conspiracy theory that suicide was not the cause of death?), but leave that to others to conclude. There's a fair amount of bumpf sourcing in the Japanese language article, but also clearly enough RS (I can at least see pieces from the Japan Times, Daily Yomiyuri and Asahi Weekly). Regards, --
Goldsztajn (
talk) 07:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Move agree that the article is more about her death.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Fails notability policy per
WP:ONEEVENT. Generally city council members are not notable for their political careers, and this particular politician is only notable for a shoplifting scandal leading to her suicide.
4meter4 (
talk) 22:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep Tokyo city is a prefecture (i.e. state/province level), so membership of its legislature counts under N:POL. If that fails (say, she's actually a councillor of a subdivision of the city), then Move to
Suicide of Asaki Akiyo. The media coverage around the event and the subsequent defamation charges seem likely to make this notable. The Japanese language article is enormous and has 144 refs.
Furius (
talk) 18:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗plicit 23:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment – I have no opinion on notability, but I just wanted to note that
WP:NPOL doesn't apply. By its terms, the provincial-legislator provision of NPOL only applies to
federal states, not unitary ones
like Japan.
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 06:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Surely the prefectural system counts under the "or similar" part of that guideline?
Furius (
talk) 15:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
TheChronium 09:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment. Given that we aren’t likely to get much more input, I would be ok with a move to
Suicide of Asaki Akiyo for the sake of closing out this nom and reaching a consensus if that is ok with
Furius.
4meter4 (
talk) 16:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I'm happy with that.
Furius (
talk) 16:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Commentthe provincial-legislator provision of NPOL only applies to
federal states, not unitary ones
like Japan. That's not a quite correct interpretation of NPOL; there are quite a number of non-federal states with sub-national parliamentary jurisdictions whose members satisfy NPOL, eg Faroe Islands, Åland, Curaçao, Zanzibar. There's also cases such as the French conseils régional or the Indonesian Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat Daerah (especially since the fall of the Orde Baru and the reforms of the late 90s) which sit in an undetermined (AFAIA?) area vis à vis NPOL. --
Goldsztajn (
talk) 21:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Goldsztajn, I did find a brief discussion of the French regional councils and NPOL; you can read it
here. Everyone there seemed to agree that members of the regional councils didn't meet NPOL because they lacked substantial discretion to decide policy. (See also
this AfD, which followed the same premise.) Broadly speaking, I'd say the same reasoning applies to Japan:
our article states that the prefectures only exercise delegated power subject to the ultimate oversight of the central government.
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 23:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Extraordinary Writ, am in heated agreement with regard to prefectures and Japan. I was just trying to emphasise that a unitary state is not per se exclusionary of having subnational parliamentary bodies that meet NPOL as my cases of Denmark, Finland, Netherlands and Tanzania demonstrate. Thanks for the link on the discussion regarding France, will read through it. Regards,
Goldsztajn (
talk) 01:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Move to
Death of Asaki Akiyo because the article and the jawiki one focus on her death and contain little info about her life. (
t ·
c) buidhe 07:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Move not clear to me that death is better than suicide for the title (is there anything more than conspiracy theory that suicide was not the cause of death?), but leave that to others to conclude. There's a fair amount of bumpf sourcing in the Japanese language article, but also clearly enough RS (I can at least see pieces from the Japan Times, Daily Yomiyuri and Asahi Weekly). Regards, --
Goldsztajn (
talk) 07:28, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Move agree that the article is more about her death.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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