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The result was delete. There is a rough consensus that the subject's position at the Orthodox Union is not enough to establish notability. – Joe ( talk) 12:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Steven Weil
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fails WP:BIO, sources are either local or from his organization's website. The article was created by a WP:SPA and is promotional. Rusf10 ( talk) 14:15, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep he is an executive with the OU and the sources there are not all from the OU, there's the Jewish Standard and VIN, and there is no policy that says a news source has to be national. Your claim of SPA is also laughable. The article has been here for years and edited by many editors so your SPA claim is just trying to muddy the waters. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Being a executive with OU is not a claim to notability. He was a senior managing director, not president. The OU currently has over 50 executives. The Jewish Standard is a local paper out of Teaneck, NJ. And this article has been almost exclusively edited by multiple SPA accounts (other than some cleanups). That's why from day one it has read like a promotion.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 15:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep The sources provided from the spectrum of media -- both in the article and available elsewhere -- that support hist strong claim of notability, go above and beyond the minimums of the notability standard. Issues of cleanup -- the alleged "promotional" content -- should be addressed through cleanup, not deletion. As has happened too many times before, it appears that the nominator has not bothered to follow the requirements of WP:BEFORE, an essential aspect of the deletion process. Alansohn ( talk) 19:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Weak keeppasses V, NOR, N. I have no problem with local sources used here except the hagiographic praise section should be cut as unencyclopedic and not RS (praise should be cited to an independent source if included at all). Also other quotes in article could be trimmed or cut. With those issues I am concerned about neutrality of POV but these are addressable. Smmurphy( Talk) 16:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- I'm striking my !vote. Yoninah is right. When I originally looked at the citation in Vos iz Neias, the article implied that Weil's role was quite important. However, looking more closely at the OU web page, it seems there are quite a few vice-presidents and Weil's position is no longer at that level. Then, rereading the Vos iz Neias article, that article looks more and more like a press release and less reliable. Smmurphy( Talk) 22:10, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIO. He does not hold a high-ranking position in the OU and there is little independent secondary sourcing on him. Yoninah ( talk) 20:40, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep this meets minimal notability requirements. IZAK ( talk) 02:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- an advertorially toned page on an unremarkable individual. The article's sources are not suitable for establishing notability, containing material such as: "Weil stated at the time that he would focus on Orthodox Jewish outreach for teens and networking with Orthodox community leadership". Wikipedia is not a resume hosting service nor is it suitable location for tribute pages such as this. Fails WP:ANYBIO / WP:GNG for lack of independent sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. K.e.coffman ( talk) 19:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- Weak Delete. I was about to say this was a keeper based on the OU position, but upon looking at the OU hierarchy -
OU: contact (where he is listed) and
OU Lay leadership - seems this is 1-2 notches from the top. The PR from his appointment reads:
Rabbi Steven Weil, today, July 1, 2009, officially assumes the position of Executive Vice President, the chief professional officer of the Orthodox Union. In that capacity, he will have day-to-day responsibility for running the largest Orthodox synagogue umbrella group in the world, overseeing its staff and programs, maintaining fiscal responsibility, and above all, projecting an image of leadership and vision throughout the Orthodox Jewish community worldwide.
. Now - he might be notable - but the sourcing in the article is not sufficient - this is OU's website where his title is specified and nothing else, here he is interviewed on some points, and this looks like a PR release of his appointment. A BEFORE does show some more sources - but it is not obvious he passes GNG. If someone does a WP:HEY I am amendable to changing my !vote. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:05, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- It is unclear that Weill's position at OU is notable. The organization has a plethora of titles: president, chairman, senior vice presidents, national vice presidents, associate vice presidents, board of directors, and board of governors, none of which includes Weil. While Weil may be a senior managing director, the title doesn't even appear on the chart of OU positions. Rhadow ( talk) 14:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. There is a rough consensus that the subject's position at the Orthodox Union is not enough to establish notability. – Joe ( talk) 12:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Steven Weil
- Steven Weil ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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fails WP:BIO, sources are either local or from his organization's website. The article was created by a WP:SPA and is promotional. Rusf10 ( talk) 14:15, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss fortune 14:59, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! Baby miss fortune 14:59, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep he is an executive with the OU and the sources there are not all from the OU, there's the Jewish Standard and VIN, and there is no policy that says a news source has to be national. Your claim of SPA is also laughable. The article has been here for years and edited by many editors so your SPA claim is just trying to muddy the waters. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Being a executive with OU is not a claim to notability. He was a senior managing director, not president. The OU currently has over 50 executives. The Jewish Standard is a local paper out of Teaneck, NJ. And this article has been almost exclusively edited by multiple SPA accounts (other than some cleanups). That's why from day one it has read like a promotion.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 15:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep The sources provided from the spectrum of media -- both in the article and available elsewhere -- that support hist strong claim of notability, go above and beyond the minimums of the notability standard. Issues of cleanup -- the alleged "promotional" content -- should be addressed through cleanup, not deletion. As has happened too many times before, it appears that the nominator has not bothered to follow the requirements of WP:BEFORE, an essential aspect of the deletion process. Alansohn ( talk) 19:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Weak keeppasses V, NOR, N. I have no problem with local sources used here except the hagiographic praise section should be cut as unencyclopedic and not RS (praise should be cited to an independent source if included at all). Also other quotes in article could be trimmed or cut. With those issues I am concerned about neutrality of POV but these are addressable. Smmurphy( Talk) 16:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- I'm striking my !vote. Yoninah is right. When I originally looked at the citation in Vos iz Neias, the article implied that Weil's role was quite important. However, looking more closely at the OU web page, it seems there are quite a few vice-presidents and Weil's position is no longer at that level. Then, rereading the Vos iz Neias article, that article looks more and more like a press release and less reliable. Smmurphy( Talk) 22:10, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIO. He does not hold a high-ranking position in the OU and there is little independent secondary sourcing on him. Yoninah ( talk) 20:40, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep this meets minimal notability requirements. IZAK ( talk) 02:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 07:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
- Delete -- an advertorially toned page on an unremarkable individual. The article's sources are not suitable for establishing notability, containing material such as: "Weil stated at the time that he would focus on Orthodox Jewish outreach for teens and networking with Orthodox community leadership". Wikipedia is not a resume hosting service nor is it suitable location for tribute pages such as this. Fails WP:ANYBIO / WP:GNG for lack of independent sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. K.e.coffman ( talk) 19:09, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
- Weak Delete. I was about to say this was a keeper based on the OU position, but upon looking at the OU hierarchy -
OU: contact (where he is listed) and
OU Lay leadership - seems this is 1-2 notches from the top. The PR from his appointment reads:
Rabbi Steven Weil, today, July 1, 2009, officially assumes the position of Executive Vice President, the chief professional officer of the Orthodox Union. In that capacity, he will have day-to-day responsibility for running the largest Orthodox synagogue umbrella group in the world, overseeing its staff and programs, maintaining fiscal responsibility, and above all, projecting an image of leadership and vision throughout the Orthodox Jewish community worldwide.
. Now - he might be notable - but the sourcing in the article is not sufficient - this is OU's website where his title is specified and nothing else, here he is interviewed on some points, and this looks like a PR release of his appointment. A BEFORE does show some more sources - but it is not obvious he passes GNG. If someone does a WP:HEY I am amendable to changing my !vote. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:05, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- It is unclear that Weill's position at OU is notable. The organization has a plethora of titles: president, chairman, senior vice presidents, national vice presidents, associate vice presidents, board of directors, and board of governors, none of which includes Weil. While Weil may be a senior managing director, the title doesn't even appear on the chart of OU positions. Rhadow ( talk) 14:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.