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The result was delete. There really isn't any merge potential, since they are already included in that list now. I take that to mean a stand alone article isn't warranted. Redirecting to the list which only gives the name doesn't make sense since there is no content at the destination and isn't supported by consensus. The two keep votes are utterly unconvincing and not based in policy, so delete is the only option.
Dennis Brown -
2¢ 20:12, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Overturned to keep per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 June 10. Valoem talk contrib 16:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Simon Stagg
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What does it take to make a character notable? This one is mentioned in some books, but those books are all auction/directory/encyclopedic books which are of dubious quality and reliability or devote nothing more than a sentence to our character. This is the best I could find, and it's nothing. We like to say that mere existence is not enough for notability, and that should certainly apply to mere fictional existence. Note also that this article has no secondary sourcing whatsoever and as such cannot pass the GNG; Drmies ( talk) 16:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Let this page stay. He is a supporting character of
Metamorpho and had a hand in his origin. Also, Simon Stagg did have notable media appearances. --
Rtkat3 (
talk) 18:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- "Notable media appearances" means the character was in other comics too, I imagine. Well, without reliable secondary sourcing, there's no passing the GNG. There is no reason to think that somehow these characters are exempt from the usual requirements. For instance, they are not notable because the book(s) they appear in are notable (
WP:NOTINHERITED), and
WP:V applies as it always does. Wikia may feel differently, but that's not us.
Drmies (
talk) 20:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- No..."media appearances" means the character has appeared in television and video games, as discussed in the article. Did you not read the article? And how did you not find that when you searched for sources? It's the top results when you search the name in Google news.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't know what a "television game" is. I assume it's animated, since we're talking about pixels on a screen. Yes, I read the article; I even edited it. None of the things you try to bring up mean anything at all without secondary sourcing. As for Google, that also doesn't mean a thing. Secondary sourcing. God, I wish you manga/rassling/anime/comic/TV show fans would realize we're in an encyclopedia, where everything should be based on secondary sources.
Drmies (
talk) 01:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Drmies: - Is English not your first language? Television and video games. Not "Television game". I hope you edit articles more carefully than you're editing this discussion. The items I linked are secondary sources discussing the television shows, not the television shows themselves or press releases from the companies making said shows.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 14:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- If you're going to be insulting, don't bother pinging me. You're right: English is not my first language--nice little attempt at a jab, dude. Parse "hoof and mouth disease" for me--I know, it's a thing of the past, since Louis Pasteur.
Drmies (
talk) 23:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- It was a serious question, not a jab. Based on your obvious misunderstanding of the article (which has a section on the television and media appearances), Rtkat3's original comment, my clarification of that comment, and the primary/secondary status of the sources I linked, I'm not sure AfD discussions are a place you should be participating. Argento Surfer ( talk) 12:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- If you're going to be insulting, don't bother pinging me. You're right: English is not my first language--nice little attempt at a jab, dude. Parse "hoof and mouth disease" for me--I know, it's a thing of the past, since Louis Pasteur.
Drmies (
talk) 23:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- @
Drmies: - Is English not your first language? Television and video games. Not "Television game". I hope you edit articles more carefully than you're editing this discussion. The items I linked are secondary sources discussing the television shows, not the television shows themselves or press releases from the companies making said shows.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 14:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't know what a "television game" is. I assume it's animated, since we're talking about pixels on a screen. Yes, I read the article; I even edited it. None of the things you try to bring up mean anything at all without secondary sourcing. As for Google, that also doesn't mean a thing. Secondary sourcing. God, I wish you manga/rassling/anime/comic/TV show fans would realize we're in an encyclopedia, where everything should be based on secondary sources.
Drmies (
talk) 01:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- No..."media appearances" means the character has appeared in television and video games, as discussed in the article. Did you not read the article? And how did you not find that when you searched for sources? It's the top results when you search the name in Google news.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- "Notable media appearances" means the character was in other comics too, I imagine. Well, without reliable secondary sourcing, there's no passing the GNG. There is no reason to think that somehow these characters are exempt from the usual requirements. For instance, they are not notable because the book(s) they appear in are notable (
WP:NOTINHERITED), and
WP:V applies as it always does. Wikia may feel differently, but that's not us.
Drmies (
talk) 20:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to List of DC Comics characters: S. There's been some coverage of his appearance in The Flash (2014 TV series), but I think it's sufficiently covered at List of The Flash characters.
- The proposed merge target is currently a bulleted list of names, but this entry could be done in a way that mirrors List of Marvel Comics characters: A and start the process of improving the DC side of things. Argento Surfer ( talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of DC Comics characters: S. No indication of stand-alone notability, just plot summary and list of appearances in fictional medial. This is stuff for DC wikia, not us. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 06:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 06:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to List of DC Comics characters: S, as per the reasoning of Argento Surfer. While a redirect would suffice, I think if we flesh list articles out slightly, it prevents articles like this about non-notable minor characters from continuing to clog up editors' time. Onel5969 TT me 15:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There's bound to be some source out there. Does anyone have the Twomorrows book that covers Metamorpho? At any rate do NOT merge. I fail to understand how if an article is not notable by itself, putting it in a list with other non notable articles creates notability. -- Killer Moff ( talk) 11:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
| This discussion was subject to a
deletion review on 2017 June 10. For an explanation of the process, see Wikipedia:Deletion review. |
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. There really isn't any merge potential, since they are already included in that list now. I take that to mean a stand alone article isn't warranted. Redirecting to the list which only gives the name doesn't make sense since there is no content at the destination and isn't supported by consensus. The two keep votes are utterly unconvincing and not based in policy, so delete is the only option.
Dennis Brown -
2¢ 20:12, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
- Overturned to keep per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 June 10. Valoem talk contrib 16:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Simon Stagg
- Simon Stagg ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
What does it take to make a character notable? This one is mentioned in some books, but those books are all auction/directory/encyclopedic books which are of dubious quality and reliability or devote nothing more than a sentence to our character. This is the best I could find, and it's nothing. We like to say that mere existence is not enough for notability, and that should certainly apply to mere fictional existence. Note also that this article has no secondary sourcing whatsoever and as such cannot pass the GNG; Drmies ( talk) 16:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Let this page stay. He is a supporting character of
Metamorpho and had a hand in his origin. Also, Simon Stagg did have notable media appearances. --
Rtkat3 (
talk) 18:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- "Notable media appearances" means the character was in other comics too, I imagine. Well, without reliable secondary sourcing, there's no passing the GNG. There is no reason to think that somehow these characters are exempt from the usual requirements. For instance, they are not notable because the book(s) they appear in are notable (
WP:NOTINHERITED), and
WP:V applies as it always does. Wikia may feel differently, but that's not us.
Drmies (
talk) 20:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- No..."media appearances" means the character has appeared in television and video games, as discussed in the article. Did you not read the article? And how did you not find that when you searched for sources? It's the top results when you search the name in Google news.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't know what a "television game" is. I assume it's animated, since we're talking about pixels on a screen. Yes, I read the article; I even edited it. None of the things you try to bring up mean anything at all without secondary sourcing. As for Google, that also doesn't mean a thing. Secondary sourcing. God, I wish you manga/rassling/anime/comic/TV show fans would realize we're in an encyclopedia, where everything should be based on secondary sources.
Drmies (
talk) 01:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Drmies: - Is English not your first language? Television and video games. Not "Television game". I hope you edit articles more carefully than you're editing this discussion. The items I linked are secondary sources discussing the television shows, not the television shows themselves or press releases from the companies making said shows.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 14:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- If you're going to be insulting, don't bother pinging me. You're right: English is not my first language--nice little attempt at a jab, dude. Parse "hoof and mouth disease" for me--I know, it's a thing of the past, since Louis Pasteur.
Drmies (
talk) 23:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- It was a serious question, not a jab. Based on your obvious misunderstanding of the article (which has a section on the television and media appearances), Rtkat3's original comment, my clarification of that comment, and the primary/secondary status of the sources I linked, I'm not sure AfD discussions are a place you should be participating. Argento Surfer ( talk) 12:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
- If you're going to be insulting, don't bother pinging me. You're right: English is not my first language--nice little attempt at a jab, dude. Parse "hoof and mouth disease" for me--I know, it's a thing of the past, since Louis Pasteur.
Drmies (
talk) 23:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- @
Drmies: - Is English not your first language? Television and video games. Not "Television game". I hope you edit articles more carefully than you're editing this discussion. The items I linked are secondary sources discussing the television shows, not the television shows themselves or press releases from the companies making said shows.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 14:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't know what a "television game" is. I assume it's animated, since we're talking about pixels on a screen. Yes, I read the article; I even edited it. None of the things you try to bring up mean anything at all without secondary sourcing. As for Google, that also doesn't mean a thing. Secondary sourcing. God, I wish you manga/rassling/anime/comic/TV show fans would realize we're in an encyclopedia, where everything should be based on secondary sources.
Drmies (
talk) 01:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- No..."media appearances" means the character has appeared in television and video games, as discussed in the article. Did you not read the article? And how did you not find that when you searched for sources? It's the top results when you search the name in Google news.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- "Notable media appearances" means the character was in other comics too, I imagine. Well, without reliable secondary sourcing, there's no passing the GNG. There is no reason to think that somehow these characters are exempt from the usual requirements. For instance, they are not notable because the book(s) they appear in are notable (
WP:NOTINHERITED), and
WP:V applies as it always does. Wikia may feel differently, but that's not us.
Drmies (
talk) 20:14, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:39, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to List of DC Comics characters: S. There's been some coverage of his appearance in The Flash (2014 TV series), but I think it's sufficiently covered at List of The Flash characters.
- The proposed merge target is currently a bulleted list of names, but this entry could be done in a way that mirrors List of Marvel Comics characters: A and start the process of improving the DC side of things. Argento Surfer ( talk) 16:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of DC Comics characters: S. No indication of stand-alone notability, just plot summary and list of appearances in fictional medial. This is stuff for DC wikia, not us. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 06:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 06:12, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to List of DC Comics characters: S, as per the reasoning of Argento Surfer. While a redirect would suffice, I think if we flesh list articles out slightly, it prevents articles like this about non-notable minor characters from continuing to clog up editors' time. Onel5969 TT me 15:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There's bound to be some source out there. Does anyone have the Twomorrows book that covers Metamorpho? At any rate do NOT merge. I fail to understand how if an article is not notable by itself, putting it in a list with other non notable articles creates notability. -- Killer Moff ( talk) 11:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.