The result was delete. In reading this discussion, I have given little weight to the assertion that Nokisi is the "football player of the year 2014" since it was based on a one-off twitter poll. With that and WP:AADD in mind, the delete !votes have it because evidence that he passes the WP:GNG has not been shown. Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG. All current references in the article are trivial mentions at best. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 22:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clearly some significant coverage, but no overriding consensus. The keep view wins the voting but doesn't really create a strong enough consensus right now with just the single source of significance presented.
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Although it is true that the article is un-bylined, contact information is clearly provided at the end of the release so I don't think that should affect the article's RS status; there is no contact info in the Fenui article, and the contact info on the facebook post is from the TNFA -- so clearly eliminates it from being independent.
Whether or not it is SIGCOV can be debated (I think it very much is).If you genuinely think that "With 40% of all votes the winner is Sepetaio Willie and according to the Tuvalu Football Fans he is the Tuvalu Football player of 2014. Nelesone and Sepetaio were both part of the National team that visited the Netherlands in 2013." is SIGCOV then I look forward to you writing a biography on me centered on my middle school spelling bee wins. JoelleJay ( talk) 05:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
The article gives important factual information such as "Being part of Waitakere City FC for three years", which can (and is) all be added with sourcing into the article.This reasoning fails WP:NOT, in particular
As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.This is reiterated in various places on WP:N, along with the requirement that a single source "provides sufficient detail for a comprehensive article." A single Tweet's worth of info is not "comprehensive". 2. Considering my hometown has over twice the population of Tuvalu and around the same area, I'm confident my coverage far exceeds in length, depth, sustainment, and geographic range the 40 words (out of 11 pages; roughly 0.7% of the e-newsletter) dedicated to "independent" commentary on Sepetaio. 3. The contact info is for the entire newsletter issue, not the particular story on Sepetaio. A publication listing its contributors does not make it a reliable source for everything. 4.
As for the "direct copy", WP:GNG merely says "reliable sources that are independent of the subject", and Fenui News is a reliable source that is independent of the subject.A press release, no matter where it is reprinted, is not an independent source and cannot be used for notability purposes. And a press release that was plagiarized shouldn't be cited at all on wikipedia. JoelleJay ( talk) 07:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
a well-known and significant award or honor. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per request at
User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Sepetaio_close.
Original n/c close for the record.
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Mississippi 18:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment. Thank you to Star Mississippi for relisting! I had this page open with a source assessment table (from this version of the page) I made but hadn't posted yet, which I think could be a helpful recap for people who don't want to read all the other comments.
Source assessment table:
| ||||
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
---|---|---|---|---|
Outcasts blog | SPS -- shouldn't be used in article on BLP at all | Nokisi (whose name is misspelled in multiple ways) has a quote and 2 sentences on him | ✘ No | |
team tour Netherlands results/stats | stats archive compiled through (hundreds of) volunteers, no evidence of oversight | stats tables | ✘ No | |
Fenui article on his "Tuvalu football player of the year" win | direct reprint of a press release on facebook | aside from not being independent overall, the article has just 40 words on Sepetaio that aren't direct quotes | ✘ No | |
NFT player stats page | stats page | ✘ No | ||
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. |
The other argument towards notability was his winning "Tuvalu football player of the year 2014", however this can be discounted as it was actually an anonymous Google docs poll run by the Tuvalu Football twitter account and has only been awarded once. JoelleJay ( talk) 19:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The result was delete. In reading this discussion, I have given little weight to the assertion that Nokisi is the "football player of the year 2014" since it was based on a one-off twitter poll. With that and WP:AADD in mind, the delete !votes have it because evidence that he passes the WP:GNG has not been shown. Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG. All current references in the article are trivial mentions at best. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 22:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clearly some significant coverage, but no overriding consensus. The keep view wins the voting but doesn't really create a strong enough consensus right now with just the single source of significance presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Fenix down (
talk) 23:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Although it is true that the article is un-bylined, contact information is clearly provided at the end of the release so I don't think that should affect the article's RS status; there is no contact info in the Fenui article, and the contact info on the facebook post is from the TNFA -- so clearly eliminates it from being independent.
Whether or not it is SIGCOV can be debated (I think it very much is).If you genuinely think that "With 40% of all votes the winner is Sepetaio Willie and according to the Tuvalu Football Fans he is the Tuvalu Football player of 2014. Nelesone and Sepetaio were both part of the National team that visited the Netherlands in 2013." is SIGCOV then I look forward to you writing a biography on me centered on my middle school spelling bee wins. JoelleJay ( talk) 05:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
The article gives important factual information such as "Being part of Waitakere City FC for three years", which can (and is) all be added with sourcing into the article.This reasoning fails WP:NOT, in particular
As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.This is reiterated in various places on WP:N, along with the requirement that a single source "provides sufficient detail for a comprehensive article." A single Tweet's worth of info is not "comprehensive". 2. Considering my hometown has over twice the population of Tuvalu and around the same area, I'm confident my coverage far exceeds in length, depth, sustainment, and geographic range the 40 words (out of 11 pages; roughly 0.7% of the e-newsletter) dedicated to "independent" commentary on Sepetaio. 3. The contact info is for the entire newsletter issue, not the particular story on Sepetaio. A publication listing its contributors does not make it a reliable source for everything. 4.
As for the "direct copy", WP:GNG merely says "reliable sources that are independent of the subject", and Fenui News is a reliable source that is independent of the subject.A press release, no matter where it is reprinted, is not an independent source and cannot be used for notability purposes. And a press release that was plagiarized shouldn't be cited at all on wikipedia. JoelleJay ( talk) 07:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
a well-known and significant award or honor. JoelleJay ( talk) 23:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per request at
User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Sepetaio_close.
Original n/c close for the record.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Star
Mississippi 18:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment. Thank you to Star Mississippi for relisting! I had this page open with a source assessment table (from this version of the page) I made but hadn't posted yet, which I think could be a helpful recap for people who don't want to read all the other comments.
Source assessment table:
| ||||
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
---|---|---|---|---|
Outcasts blog | SPS -- shouldn't be used in article on BLP at all | Nokisi (whose name is misspelled in multiple ways) has a quote and 2 sentences on him | ✘ No | |
team tour Netherlands results/stats | stats archive compiled through (hundreds of) volunteers, no evidence of oversight | stats tables | ✘ No | |
Fenui article on his "Tuvalu football player of the year" win | direct reprint of a press release on facebook | aside from not being independent overall, the article has just 40 words on Sepetaio that aren't direct quotes | ✘ No | |
NFT player stats page | stats page | ✘ No | ||
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. |
The other argument towards notability was his winning "Tuvalu football player of the year 2014", however this can be discounted as it was actually an anonymous Google docs poll run by the Tuvalu Football twitter account and has only been awarded once. JoelleJay ( talk) 19:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)