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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 20:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Richard Pretsel
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According to
WP:NCURL:
Significant coverage is **likely** to exist for a curler if they
1. Have won a World Curling Tour event or participated in a Grand Slam of Curling event.
2. Have won a medal at one of the following World Curling Federation sanctioned events: the World Junior Curling 3. Championships, World Senior Curling Championships, European Curling Championships, World Mixed Curling Championship, or Pacific-Asia Curling Championships.
4. Have won a medal at the Canadian Junior Curling Championships.
5. Have won the Canadian Mixed Curling Championship, Canadian Senior Curling Championship, or Canadian Mixed Doubles Curling Trials.
6. Are member of the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame or the WCF Hall of Fame.
Richard Pretsel meets none of these. Also did search and found the following sources. Generally need two independent reliable significant coverage of the person for WP:GNG. Found none.
Source assessment table:
| ||||
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| https://www.edinburghcurling.co.uk/find-a-club/find-club-carrington-curling-club/ | 
|
|
no mention of name
|
✘ No |
| http://results.worldcurling.org/Person/Details/684 |
|
|
stats only
|
✘ No |
| https://smcfpclub.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Internationalists.pdf |
|
STEWART’S MELVILLE COLLEGE FORMER PUPILS CLUB
|
~ | ✘ No |
| https://www.perthmasters.com/perth-masters-trophy/ |
|
|
name mention: Winners of the Mercure City of Perth Masters
|
✘ No |
| https://www.scottishcurling.org/comps/past-national-champions/scottish-champions-men/ |
|
|
list of names, scottish championships
|
✘ No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. | ||||
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Scotland. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 23:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Passes criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO as a two time winner of the Scottish Men's Curling Championship. 4meter4 ( talk) 07:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:32, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete ANYBIO covers well-known and significant awards or honors, not generic sports achievements, and in any case " does not guarantee that a subject should be included". It's the sourcing that should be decisive, and it's quite clear that SIGCOV is lacking here. Even conceding that ANYBIO is met, a conflict between that and a failure of SIGCOV should surely be settled at the expense of the former, not the latter. Avilich ( talk) 01:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. If winning championships in whatever sport and for whichever nation was an acceptable ANYBIO argument we wouldn't have had support for repealing presumption of notability for sportspeople. There was resounding opposition toward presuming notability even for Olympic medal-winners, so clearly the "awards and honors" sufficient for ANYBIO do NOT include sporting achievements (which aren't awards or honors, anyway). The subject lacks the SIGCOV needed for GNG, and that's all that is relevant. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 20:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Richard Pretsel
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- Richard Pretsel ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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According to
WP:NCURL:
Significant coverage is **likely** to exist for a curler if they
1. Have won a World Curling Tour event or participated in a Grand Slam of Curling event.
2. Have won a medal at one of the following World Curling Federation sanctioned events: the World Junior Curling 3. Championships, World Senior Curling Championships, European Curling Championships, World Mixed Curling Championship, or Pacific-Asia Curling Championships.
4. Have won a medal at the Canadian Junior Curling Championships.
5. Have won the Canadian Mixed Curling Championship, Canadian Senior Curling Championship, or Canadian Mixed Doubles Curling Trials.
6. Are member of the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame or the WCF Hall of Fame.
Richard Pretsel meets none of these. Also did search and found the following sources. Generally need two independent reliable significant coverage of the person for WP:GNG. Found none.
Source assessment table:
| ||||
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| https://www.edinburghcurling.co.uk/find-a-club/find-club-carrington-curling-club/ |
|
|
no mention of name
|
✘ No |
| http://results.worldcurling.org/Person/Details/684 |
|
|
stats only
|
✘ No |
| https://smcfpclub.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Internationalists.pdf |
|
STEWART’S MELVILLE COLLEGE FORMER PUPILS CLUB
|
~ | ✘ No |
| https://www.perthmasters.com/perth-masters-trophy/ |
|
|
name mention: Winners of the Mercure City of Perth Masters
|
✘ No |
| https://www.scottishcurling.org/comps/past-national-champions/scottish-champions-men/ |
|
|
list of names, scottish championships
|
✘ No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. | ||||
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Scotland. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 23:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Passes criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO as a two time winner of the Scottish Men's Curling Championship. 4meter4 ( talk) 07:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 05:32, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete ANYBIO covers well-known and significant awards or honors, not generic sports achievements, and in any case " does not guarantee that a subject should be included". It's the sourcing that should be decisive, and it's quite clear that SIGCOV is lacking here. Even conceding that ANYBIO is met, a conflict between that and a failure of SIGCOV should surely be settled at the expense of the former, not the latter. Avilich ( talk) 01:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. If winning championships in whatever sport and for whichever nation was an acceptable ANYBIO argument we wouldn't have had support for repealing presumption of notability for sportspeople. There was resounding opposition toward presuming notability even for Olympic medal-winners, so clearly the "awards and honors" sufficient for ANYBIO do NOT include sporting achievements (which aren't awards or honors, anyway). The subject lacks the SIGCOV needed for GNG, and that's all that is relevant. JoelleJay ( talk) 22:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.