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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 03:08, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Phakamani Mngadi
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Article about former footballer with a brief professional career but which comprehensively fails WP:GNG. Previously deleted at AfD, but re-created after Mngadi made a handful of additional appearances in the National First Division. No SIGCOV is available online, even with the additional appearances - just routine/trivial coverage. Jogurney ( talk) 02:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I found [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11] among many many more sources from grenzecho.net, news24.com, standaard.be, diariodeleon.es, YouTube, soccerladuma, snl24, goal.com, pressreader.com, kickoff.com, timeslive.co.za, heraldlive.co.za, nieuwsblad.be, lanuevacronica.com, dispatchlive.co.za, dhnet.be, digitaldeleon.com, sowetanlive.co.za, etc. Clearly was significant figure in South African football who played abroad in Europe and Asia. He played for one of best and well known teams in South Africa - Kaizer Chiefs in a fully pro career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 04:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- I looked through those 11 sources (3 of them had already popped up in my BEFORE search), and I don't think we're quite at passing the GNG. The four articles from snl24.com (June '14, August '14, October '14 & February '15) are all routine/trivial in nature and briefly cover his unsuccessful loan at Kaizer Chiefs (none are WP:SIRS). The two articles from goal.com (August '14 & September '21) are both routine/trivial in nature and briefly cover his unsuccessful loan and permanent deals with Kaizer Chiefs (neither is SIRS). The article in Kick Off (magazine) (May '17) is hardly more than a name-drop and definitely not SIRS. The article in Sunday Times (South Africa) (July '16) is routine/trivial in nature and briefly covers his return to Eupen after the unsuccessful loan at Kaizer Chiefs. The press release from Kaizer Chiefs F.C. (September '14) is from his employer and is not independent of the subject (definitely not SIRS). That leaves two articles that both appear to be SIRS: the article in L'Avenir (Belgian newspaper) (October '13) is paywalled but looks likely to be in-depth coverage of his first spell with Eupen, and the article in Hard Gras (June '14, via benelux-texte.de) is in-depth coverage of his entire career to that point. So we have two SIRS (one certain, one paywalled, but likely), and a bunch of trivial coverage. I don't think it's enough to pass GNG. Jogurney ( talk) 14:09, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- While those 11 sources listed definetly are enough on their own, those sources I listed are not the only sources I found, there are many many more sources from grenzecho.net, news24.com, standaard.be, diariodeleon.es, YouTube, soccerladuma, snl24, goal.com, pressreader.com, kickoff.com, timeslive.co.za, heraldlive.co.za, nieuwsblad.be, lanuevacronica.com, dispatchlive.co.za, dhnet.be, digitaldeleon.com, sowetanlive.co.za, etc. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 05:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Looks like enough sourcing to prove GNG to me. -- MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 09:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and South Africa. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes GNG.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 12:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources provided by User:Das osmnezz, and per the nominator's admission that two WP:SIRS exist, which is sufficient to satisfy WP:GNG. Clear GNG pass in my opinion. Frank Anchor 19:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Article has enough coverage to meet notability. NMasiha ( talk) 20:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep : Made Google research, subject is notable.-- Gabriel t@lk 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment : Article reference formatting needs to be done on the page. Any editor who can help with that, future kudos.-- Gabriel t@lk 21:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 03:08, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Phakamani Mngadi
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Article about former footballer with a brief professional career but which comprehensively fails WP:GNG. Previously deleted at AfD, but re-created after Mngadi made a handful of additional appearances in the National First Division. No SIGCOV is available online, even with the additional appearances - just routine/trivial coverage. Jogurney ( talk) 02:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - I found [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11] among many many more sources from grenzecho.net, news24.com, standaard.be, diariodeleon.es, YouTube, soccerladuma, snl24, goal.com, pressreader.com, kickoff.com, timeslive.co.za, heraldlive.co.za, nieuwsblad.be, lanuevacronica.com, dispatchlive.co.za, dhnet.be, digitaldeleon.com, sowetanlive.co.za, etc. Clearly was significant figure in South African football who played abroad in Europe and Asia. He played for one of best and well known teams in South Africa - Kaizer Chiefs in a fully pro career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 04:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- I looked through those 11 sources (3 of them had already popped up in my BEFORE search), and I don't think we're quite at passing the GNG. The four articles from snl24.com (June '14, August '14, October '14 & February '15) are all routine/trivial in nature and briefly cover his unsuccessful loan at Kaizer Chiefs (none are WP:SIRS). The two articles from goal.com (August '14 & September '21) are both routine/trivial in nature and briefly cover his unsuccessful loan and permanent deals with Kaizer Chiefs (neither is SIRS). The article in Kick Off (magazine) (May '17) is hardly more than a name-drop and definitely not SIRS. The article in Sunday Times (South Africa) (July '16) is routine/trivial in nature and briefly covers his return to Eupen after the unsuccessful loan at Kaizer Chiefs. The press release from Kaizer Chiefs F.C. (September '14) is from his employer and is not independent of the subject (definitely not SIRS). That leaves two articles that both appear to be SIRS: the article in L'Avenir (Belgian newspaper) (October '13) is paywalled but looks likely to be in-depth coverage of his first spell with Eupen, and the article in Hard Gras (June '14, via benelux-texte.de) is in-depth coverage of his entire career to that point. So we have two SIRS (one certain, one paywalled, but likely), and a bunch of trivial coverage. I don't think it's enough to pass GNG. Jogurney ( talk) 14:09, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- While those 11 sources listed definetly are enough on their own, those sources I listed are not the only sources I found, there are many many more sources from grenzecho.net, news24.com, standaard.be, diariodeleon.es, YouTube, soccerladuma, snl24, goal.com, pressreader.com, kickoff.com, timeslive.co.za, heraldlive.co.za, nieuwsblad.be, lanuevacronica.com, dispatchlive.co.za, dhnet.be, digitaldeleon.com, sowetanlive.co.za, etc. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 05:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Looks like enough sourcing to prove GNG to me. -- MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 09:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and South Africa. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes GNG.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 12:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the sources provided by User:Das osmnezz, and per the nominator's admission that two WP:SIRS exist, which is sufficient to satisfy WP:GNG. Clear GNG pass in my opinion. Frank Anchor 19:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Article has enough coverage to meet notability. NMasiha ( talk) 20:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep : Made Google research, subject is notable.-- Gabriel t@lk 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment : Article reference formatting needs to be done on the page. Any editor who can help with that, future kudos.-- Gabriel t@lk 21:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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