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The result was delete and redirect to Dragonriders of Pern as a likely search term to its primary topic. A dab page can and should be created separately. – sgeureka t• c 14:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Pern
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What makes this fictional planet notable? The article is all based on PRIMARY sources, and fails GNG/NFICTION. BEFORE finds some discussions of AMC's books, but not of her worldbuilding (or this planet in particular). This content belongs on https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Pern , not here (someone may want to copy the map there, I don't see it on wikia); the rest of the content is already copied there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The major setting of the most significant works of a major writer. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have some reliable secondary sources? Central to works by a major author or otherwise, if we don't have the sources, I'm not sure we should have an article. Josh Milburn ( talk) 13:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 14:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dragonriders of Pern#Overview. While there is certainly a lot of sources about the series and its books, I'm not finding any discussions in reliable, secondary sources about the planet in specific that would warrant an article separate from the main overview of the series and its setting. A selective merge could potentially be done to fill out the "Overview" section of the main article a bit, but as nearly all of this appears to either be unsourced or sourced only to the books themselves, I don't know how much of this content is actually worth including there. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, then create a dab page including a redirect to
Dragonriders of Pern#Overview,
Pern, Lot,
Pern (bird),
Pakistan Educational Research Network, the title character of
The Life of Rock with Brian Pern, the station code of
Pernem railway station and
PERN Przyjazn SA.
Clarityfiend (
talk) 20:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except it isn't worth a standalone article. Clarityfiend ( talk) 06:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect' to Dragonriders of Pern per Rorshacma and per WP:TNT. Even if there is a notable topic here, it needs to be totally rewritten from scratch. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 20:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 23:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fictional, usual-variety fancruft. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG/NFICTION. Kacper IV ( talk) 12:31, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and create dab page, per Clarityfiend. There are obviously several articles that could legitimately have this title.
Josh Milburn (
talk) 19:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. Anarchangel ( talk) 02:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete and redirect to Dragonriders of Pern as a likely search term to its primary topic. A dab page can and should be created separately. – sgeureka t• c 14:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Pern
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What makes this fictional planet notable? The article is all based on PRIMARY sources, and fails GNG/NFICTION. BEFORE finds some discussions of AMC's books, but not of her worldbuilding (or this planet in particular). This content belongs on https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Pern , not here (someone may want to copy the map there, I don't see it on wikia); the rest of the content is already copied there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The major setting of the most significant works of a major writer. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have some reliable secondary sources? Central to works by a major author or otherwise, if we don't have the sources, I'm not sure we should have an article. Josh Milburn ( talk) 13:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 14:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dragonriders of Pern#Overview. While there is certainly a lot of sources about the series and its books, I'm not finding any discussions in reliable, secondary sources about the planet in specific that would warrant an article separate from the main overview of the series and its setting. A selective merge could potentially be done to fill out the "Overview" section of the main article a bit, but as nearly all of this appears to either be unsourced or sourced only to the books themselves, I don't know how much of this content is actually worth including there. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, then create a dab page including a redirect to
Dragonriders of Pern#Overview,
Pern, Lot,
Pern (bird),
Pakistan Educational Research Network, the title character of
The Life of Rock with Brian Pern, the station code of
Pernem railway station and
PERN Przyjazn SA.
Clarityfiend (
talk) 20:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except it isn't worth a standalone article. Clarityfiend ( talk) 06:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 11:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect' to Dragonriders of Pern per Rorshacma and per WP:TNT. Even if there is a notable topic here, it needs to be totally rewritten from scratch. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 20:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 23:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fictional, usual-variety fancruft. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG/NFICTION. Kacper IV ( talk) 12:31, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and create dab page, per Clarityfiend. There are obviously several articles that could legitimately have this title.
Josh Milburn (
talk) 19:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. Anarchangel ( talk) 02:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.