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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 09:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Karen Jessica Evans
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Non-notable musician / motorcyclist. I could not find many RS about her. Her article has many minor snippets of refs, but nothing seems to be substantial. Natg 19 ( talk) 04:43, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
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- It is felt that the subject of this article meets the guidelines for notability. There is no original source material. There are multiple secondary source links. There is only one "snippet" inserted as a place holder until the proper citation has been found. The fact that the subject appeared in a movie (Motorcycle Women) as the lead, documented in IMDB, would seem to validate notability. The fact that the subject co-founded the first all-female outlaw motorcycle club (Devil Dolls) in the country in modern (or any other) times, and the citations to confirm this, would seem to meet the guidelines for notability. While part of the content may appear to be "puffery" (older Lady Gaga and an outlier), this can be cured by removing it if this is what should be done. An article regarding Devil Dolls Motorcycle Club is being prepared as is a shorter article for Motorcycle Women. Any help to improve this article is greatly appreciated. However, this article does not meet the criteria for deletion.Weathervane13 21:02, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Article for
Motorcycle Women created. Movie added to List of Biker Films/2000s. Puffery removed.Weathervane13 23:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- While I do agree that there is no original source material and multiple secondary sources, I do not feel that Evans meets the criteria for notability found at WP:BASIC. I did not find "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources". Just being in a movie in IMDB or founding a motorcycle club does not signify notablility, though those could be used to prove notability. Natg 19 ( talk) 03:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- As a secondary note, I do not believe that the film Motorcycle Women is notable either, though that should be discussed at a separate AfD. Natg 19 ( talk) 03:42, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Article for
Motorcycle Women created. Movie added to List of Biker Films/2000s. Puffery removed.Weathervane13 23:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep article --
From WP:Basic If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.[7]
It seems that under this criterion that multiple independent sources have been provided with respect to four different aspect of Evans' life (recording artist, film and publications, first female outlaw motorcycle club in the U.S. and environmental activist). Combined, these 4 different aspects are more than enough for Evans to meet notability guidelines.Weathervane13 19:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- hi Weathervane13, if you add 4 tildes to the end of your words, your username (that will be bluelinked), and date/time of your edits is automatically added. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:59, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete. Certainly not a notable motorcyclist by any standard ever used for a bio known at
WP:WikiProject Motorcycling. Her
namemoniker "Goth Girl" appears once in "The 1%er Encyclopedia" and maybe she was in a documentary (we aren't sure about this even) ... no go. So, since it is also clearly failing WP:NCREATIVE, this is a delete. ☆ Bri ( talk) 02:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Just wondering, is her founding of the
Devil Dolls Motorcycle Club notable? or is the motorcycle club notable at all?
Natg 19 (
talk) 05:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Probably not, and I expressed doubts about the documentary, too. ☆ Bri ( talk) 06:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Here is the link to the documentary, also listed in IMDB, a reliable and acceptable citation under Wiki criteria.
COPYLINK redacted - Evans also appears in The Biker Code, citation is in article
Devilishdoll (
talk) 02:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- First, IMDB is considered non-reliable source per WP:UGC. It is not a reliable/acceptable whatever. Second, mere existence in a directory like IMDB does not confer notability. Critical commentary on a recording is what's important here. Is there any? I haven't seen it. ☆ Bri ( talk) 05:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Just wondering, is her founding of the
Devil Dolls Motorcycle Club notable? or is the motorcycle club notable at all?
Natg 19 (
talk) 05:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete I went through the source-bombs. She gets a couple mentions in articles and books here and there, but fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer talk 07:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable and both a pianist and as an entertainer. -- Evans1982 ( talk) 23:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Reference is in article -- https://newspaperarchive.com/winnipeg-free-press-oct-01-1983-p-25/-- discusses her band, Makaface, which had a recording contract with A+M Records and released Sleeping Girls Don't LieWeathervane13 21:48, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 09:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Karen Jessica Evans
- Karen Jessica Evans ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable musician / motorcyclist. I could not find many RS about her. Her article has many minor snippets of refs, but nothing seems to be substantial. Natg 19 ( talk) 04:43, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 ( talk) 04:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 ( talk) 04:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- It is felt that the subject of this article meets the guidelines for notability. There is no original source material. There are multiple secondary source links. There is only one "snippet" inserted as a place holder until the proper citation has been found. The fact that the subject appeared in a movie (Motorcycle Women) as the lead, documented in IMDB, would seem to validate notability. The fact that the subject co-founded the first all-female outlaw motorcycle club (Devil Dolls) in the country in modern (or any other) times, and the citations to confirm this, would seem to meet the guidelines for notability. While part of the content may appear to be "puffery" (older Lady Gaga and an outlier), this can be cured by removing it if this is what should be done. An article regarding Devil Dolls Motorcycle Club is being prepared as is a shorter article for Motorcycle Women. Any help to improve this article is greatly appreciated. However, this article does not meet the criteria for deletion.Weathervane13 21:02, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Article for
Motorcycle Women created. Movie added to List of Biker Films/2000s. Puffery removed.Weathervane13 23:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- While I do agree that there is no original source material and multiple secondary sources, I do not feel that Evans meets the criteria for notability found at WP:BASIC. I did not find "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources". Just being in a movie in IMDB or founding a motorcycle club does not signify notablility, though those could be used to prove notability. Natg 19 ( talk) 03:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- As a secondary note, I do not believe that the film Motorcycle Women is notable either, though that should be discussed at a separate AfD. Natg 19 ( talk) 03:42, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Article for
Motorcycle Women created. Movie added to List of Biker Films/2000s. Puffery removed.Weathervane13 23:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep article --
From WP:Basic If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.[7]
It seems that under this criterion that multiple independent sources have been provided with respect to four different aspect of Evans' life (recording artist, film and publications, first female outlaw motorcycle club in the U.S. and environmental activist). Combined, these 4 different aspects are more than enough for Evans to meet notability guidelines.Weathervane13 19:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
- hi Weathervane13, if you add 4 tildes to the end of your words, your username (that will be bluelinked), and date/time of your edits is automatically added. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:59, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:30, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:30, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Certainly not a notable motorcyclist by any standard ever used for a bio known at
WP:WikiProject Motorcycling. Her
namemoniker "Goth Girl" appears once in "The 1%er Encyclopedia" and maybe she was in a documentary (we aren't sure about this even) ... no go. So, since it is also clearly failing WP:NCREATIVE, this is a delete. ☆ Bri ( talk) 02:41, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Just wondering, is her founding of the
Devil Dolls Motorcycle Club notable? or is the motorcycle club notable at all?
Natg 19 (
talk) 05:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Probably not, and I expressed doubts about the documentary, too. ☆ Bri ( talk) 06:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Here is the link to the documentary, also listed in IMDB, a reliable and acceptable citation under Wiki criteria.
COPYLINK redacted - Evans also appears in The Biker Code, citation is in article
Devilishdoll (
talk) 02:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- First, IMDB is considered non-reliable source per WP:UGC. It is not a reliable/acceptable whatever. Second, mere existence in a directory like IMDB does not confer notability. Critical commentary on a recording is what's important here. Is there any? I haven't seen it. ☆ Bri ( talk) 05:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Just wondering, is her founding of the
Devil Dolls Motorcycle Club notable? or is the motorcycle club notable at all?
Natg 19 (
talk) 05:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I went through the source-bombs. She gets a couple mentions in articles and books here and there, but fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer talk 07:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable and both a pianist and as an entertainer. -- Evans1982 ( talk) 23:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Reference is in article -- https://newspaperarchive.com/winnipeg-free-press-oct-01-1983-p-25/-- discusses her band, Makaface, which had a recording contract with A+M Records and released Sleeping Girls Don't LieWeathervane13 21:48, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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