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Comment: I don't understand how this can be both notability issues and G11 issues. The only promo here is the notability claims - awards, etc. The problem is that this is a largely unsourced BLP, not that it's promo, let alone unambiguous promo. --
asilvering (
talk) 11:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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Asilvering G11 is crystal clear. Lack of WP:SEC indicates more issues. Furthermore Yuva Puraskar is low level award and not eligible enough for notability.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 11:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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Nang Nandini G11 is for articles so promotional in tone that a complete, fundamental rewrite would be required to salvage them. This article isn't even promotional in tone: it's a prose list of books and awards. This is an entirely normal thing to have in short author biographies. If the awards aren't relevant, you can simply remove them. --
asilvering (
talk) 12:21, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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Asilvering I have double checked the new sources. Most are either interviews or primary sources. Furthermore as an author the article is TOOSOON as no such book reviews available either.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 12:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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Nang Nandini There are already at least two book reviews on the article. One was present when it was nominated for deletion. --
asilvering (
talk) 12:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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Asilvering the books are translated by others. Even The Hindu source is also an interview. Interviews are not enough to pass GNG even.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 12:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Reviews of a translation confer notability on the original work. Indeed, the very fact that the work is translated is a strong indicator of notability.
~ L 🌸 (
talk) 03:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
*Comment: I agree with
Asilvering. It's an unambiguous promo. While trying to cite claims, I am really getting it hard as most claims in the article have no way to cite with any resource. Even so, I am trying to find sources, may be we need to re-qrite the article. But the G:11 is a valid concern here. I can't !vote as I'm involved with the improvement of the article. Regards --NeverTry4Me -
TT Page 11:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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NeverTry4Me It's perfectly normal to vote and also improve the article at the same time. Go ahead. --
asilvering (
talk) 12:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
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NeverTry4Me: I can notice that you are trying too hard to cite. AFD is no fun for me. The article person is not notable and you too know that.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 12:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep per GNG. I have not checked for reviews, which seem likely to also support a pass of
WP:NAUTHOR, but have combed through a lot of promising news articles. I was impressed to find any English-language coverage for someone so dedicated to a minority language; he has clearly been a prominent figure in his community for at least fifteen years. He gets a paragraph in Discrimination, Challenge and Response: People of North East India (p 108). He also gets several sentences in
this book review, though I couldn't find him in the book itself.
News coverage of a "a felicitation programme" in his honour (incidentally, verifies a lot of the uncited biographical material in the article, and confirms that the poet and the physicist are the same person).
This news article reports on a public lecture which analysed his poems; the article calls him "the famous tribal writer Kamal Kumar Tanti".
This news article reports that he was one of the "eminent personalities of the tea tribe's community" offering feedback to the government.
Announcement in the Telegraph that he is chosen for the National Symposium of Poets in 2015, mentions his 2008 award.
Announcement of a 2012 award.
Announcement of a 2009 award, mentioning another previous award.
Non-independent source with info on a radio show he hosted. Trivial mentions:
[1][2][3][4]~ L 🌸 (
talk) 04:47, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, StarMississippi 18:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 20:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
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Comment: I don't understand how this can be both notability issues and G11 issues. The only promo here is the notability claims - awards, etc. The problem is that this is a largely unsourced BLP, not that it's promo, let alone unambiguous promo. --
asilvering (
talk) 11:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Asilvering G11 is crystal clear. Lack of WP:SEC indicates more issues. Furthermore Yuva Puraskar is low level award and not eligible enough for notability.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 11:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Nang Nandini G11 is for articles so promotional in tone that a complete, fundamental rewrite would be required to salvage them. This article isn't even promotional in tone: it's a prose list of books and awards. This is an entirely normal thing to have in short author biographies. If the awards aren't relevant, you can simply remove them. --
asilvering (
talk) 12:21, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Asilvering I have double checked the new sources. Most are either interviews or primary sources. Furthermore as an author the article is TOOSOON as no such book reviews available either.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 12:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Nang Nandini There are already at least two book reviews on the article. One was present when it was nominated for deletion. --
asilvering (
talk) 12:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Asilvering the books are translated by others. Even The Hindu source is also an interview. Interviews are not enough to pass GNG even.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 12:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Reviews of a translation confer notability on the original work. Indeed, the very fact that the work is translated is a strong indicator of notability.
~ L 🌸 (
talk) 03:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
*Comment: I agree with
Asilvering. It's an unambiguous promo. While trying to cite claims, I am really getting it hard as most claims in the article have no way to cite with any resource. Even so, I am trying to find sources, may be we need to re-qrite the article. But the G:11 is a valid concern here. I can't !vote as I'm involved with the improvement of the article. Regards --NeverTry4Me -
TT Page 11:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
NeverTry4Me It's perfectly normal to vote and also improve the article at the same time. Go ahead. --
asilvering (
talk) 12:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
@
NeverTry4Me: I can notice that you are trying too hard to cite. AFD is no fun for me. The article person is not notable and you too know that.
Nang Nandini (
talk) 12:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep per GNG. I have not checked for reviews, which seem likely to also support a pass of
WP:NAUTHOR, but have combed through a lot of promising news articles. I was impressed to find any English-language coverage for someone so dedicated to a minority language; he has clearly been a prominent figure in his community for at least fifteen years. He gets a paragraph in Discrimination, Challenge and Response: People of North East India (p 108). He also gets several sentences in
this book review, though I couldn't find him in the book itself.
News coverage of a "a felicitation programme" in his honour (incidentally, verifies a lot of the uncited biographical material in the article, and confirms that the poet and the physicist are the same person).
This news article reports on a public lecture which analysed his poems; the article calls him "the famous tribal writer Kamal Kumar Tanti".
This news article reports that he was one of the "eminent personalities of the tea tribe's community" offering feedback to the government.
Announcement in the Telegraph that he is chosen for the National Symposium of Poets in 2015, mentions his 2008 award.
Announcement of a 2012 award.
Announcement of a 2009 award, mentioning another previous award.
Non-independent source with info on a radio show he hosted. Trivial mentions:
[1][2][3][4]~ L 🌸 (
talk) 04:47, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, StarMississippi 18:17, 27 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 20:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.