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The result was delete. czar 03:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Classical yoga and transformation of consciousness
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The content seems like an essay redundant to what content is present at the yoga article, and the title does not seem plausible as a redirect target. The sources seem to be used as a list rather than to support specific claims. Note the title itself was changed when moved to mainspace, which was originally titled "Yoga and Consciousness". Darcyisverycute ( talk) 15:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. Darcyisverycute ( talk) 15:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the content is not even redundant to properly-cited articles like yoga; the sources are wobbly, the article poorly-written and inadequately structured. The whole premise of the article is to prove a thesis, which is not Wikipedia's function. The structure, such as it is, consists of assembling various statements in an area in the hope of convincing readers that the claims are connected and add up to something. This could be called essay-like (whatever that means), but basically it isn't an encyclopedia article describing a known subject and conveying well-established facts about it from reliable sources. The old title, by the way, was bad enough (prove that these two things are connected); the new title is worse (prove that this thing has a transformative effect on that thing). Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Retain - Hi
Darcyisverycute and
Chiswick Chap. Hope you had a good new year 2024. I value your inputs and thank both of you for inputs and suggestion. However many books from long time were written and proved the concept. The subject was also proved in some medical research and more are happening. I wrote this article after thorough study and research and also seeing the interest of people worldwide. As this subject is widely followed in Google by people worldwide and chances of improving the article by many editors are there,I request this article to be retained. It is very easy to move articles here and get it deleted.
Gardenkur (
talk) 01:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gardenkur, I recommend reading Wikipedia:How to save an article nominated for deletion. Darcyisverycute ( talk) 05:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi
Darcyisverycute.Kindly guide me how to save the article from deletion. I read the link you sent on saving the article from deletion and want to follow Wikipedia policies on retaining it.Thanks.
Gardenkur (
talk) 13:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reading it. The concerns I and Chiswick Chap have raised is mainly about
verifiability. For me, can you explain clearly why you think the article and its contents is not redundant to what is at
yoga and specifically,
Yoga#Classical era (200 BCE – 500 CE)? This is my main concern. Regarding scientific efficacy for therapies, reliable sources are held to a more strict criteria called
WP:MEDRS. The article topic needs to be both distinct from what is covered at the
yoga article, and it needs to be backed up by sources ideally meeting MEDRS. It's also important to not include
original research, for example the first sentence reads
Classical yoga and transformation of consciousness elaborates practice of yoga in transformation of human consciousness.
The meaning of this sentence is unclear and it is not supported by a citation to a reliable source. I hope this gives a starting point and a general idea on what could be improved. If you have not already, please also read WP:NOTESSAY and seriously consider if the policy may apply to the article. Darcyisverycute ( talk) 13:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reading it. The concerns I and Chiswick Chap have raised is mainly about
verifiability. For me, can you explain clearly why you think the article and its contents is not redundant to what is at
yoga and specifically,
Yoga#Classical era (200 BCE – 500 CE)? This is my main concern. Regarding scientific efficacy for therapies, reliable sources are held to a more strict criteria called
WP:MEDRS. The article topic needs to be both distinct from what is covered at the
yoga article, and it needs to be backed up by sources ideally meeting MEDRS. It's also important to not include
original research, for example the first sentence reads
- Hi
Darcyisverycute.Kindly guide me how to save the article from deletion. I read the link you sent on saving the article from deletion and want to follow Wikipedia policies on retaining it.Thanks.
Gardenkur (
talk) 13:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Darcyisverycute. Thanks a lot for replying to my query. While the article Yoga deals about the practice of yoga this subject goes a step further in highlighting the practice of yoga in raising our consciousness level. This article will be more elaborated in coming days about the subject. Also yoga in modern terms has been coined with many practices,but classical yoga as per patanjali is different. You can check some of the references by established practitioners and than gauge for deletion. There are not only scientific evidences but proven theory on the effect of traditional yoga practices. Both the articles are different. Kindly give your thought before the remark. I can understand Chiswick Chap comments too but if given slight deeper thought the concept becomes clear though its very vast as subject. In Yoga as article, I dont see its affect on Transformation of our Consciousness. Thank you. Gardenkur ( talk) 13:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Darcyisverycute.Sorry forgot to add I would be in travel from tommorrow for a week and could not be able to reply so will loose this work. Kindly consider. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 14:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 00:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: an OR content fork. Owen× ☎ 01:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is personal essay not an encyclopedia article. Mccapra ( talk) 19:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. czar 03:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Classical yoga and transformation of consciousness
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- Classical yoga and transformation of consciousness ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The content seems like an essay redundant to what content is present at the yoga article, and the title does not seem plausible as a redirect target. The sources seem to be used as a list rather than to support specific claims. Note the title itself was changed when moved to mainspace, which was originally titled "Yoga and Consciousness". Darcyisverycute ( talk) 15:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. Darcyisverycute ( talk) 15:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - the content is not even redundant to properly-cited articles like yoga; the sources are wobbly, the article poorly-written and inadequately structured. The whole premise of the article is to prove a thesis, which is not Wikipedia's function. The structure, such as it is, consists of assembling various statements in an area in the hope of convincing readers that the claims are connected and add up to something. This could be called essay-like (whatever that means), but basically it isn't an encyclopedia article describing a known subject and conveying well-established facts about it from reliable sources. The old title, by the way, was bad enough (prove that these two things are connected); the new title is worse (prove that this thing has a transformative effect on that thing). Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- Retain - Hi
Darcyisverycute and
Chiswick Chap. Hope you had a good new year 2024. I value your inputs and thank both of you for inputs and suggestion. However many books from long time were written and proved the concept. The subject was also proved in some medical research and more are happening. I wrote this article after thorough study and research and also seeing the interest of people worldwide. As this subject is widely followed in Google by people worldwide and chances of improving the article by many editors are there,I request this article to be retained. It is very easy to move articles here and get it deleted.
Gardenkur (
talk) 01:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gardenkur, I recommend reading Wikipedia:How to save an article nominated for deletion. Darcyisverycute ( talk) 05:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi
Darcyisverycute.Kindly guide me how to save the article from deletion. I read the link you sent on saving the article from deletion and want to follow Wikipedia policies on retaining it.Thanks.
Gardenkur (
talk) 13:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reading it. The concerns I and Chiswick Chap have raised is mainly about
verifiability. For me, can you explain clearly why you think the article and its contents is not redundant to what is at
yoga and specifically,
Yoga#Classical era (200 BCE – 500 CE)? This is my main concern. Regarding scientific efficacy for therapies, reliable sources are held to a more strict criteria called
WP:MEDRS. The article topic needs to be both distinct from what is covered at the
yoga article, and it needs to be backed up by sources ideally meeting MEDRS. It's also important to not include
original research, for example the first sentence reads
Classical yoga and transformation of consciousness elaborates practice of yoga in transformation of human consciousness.
The meaning of this sentence is unclear and it is not supported by a citation to a reliable source. I hope this gives a starting point and a general idea on what could be improved. If you have not already, please also read WP:NOTESSAY and seriously consider if the policy may apply to the article. Darcyisverycute ( talk) 13:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for reading it. The concerns I and Chiswick Chap have raised is mainly about
verifiability. For me, can you explain clearly why you think the article and its contents is not redundant to what is at
yoga and specifically,
Yoga#Classical era (200 BCE – 500 CE)? This is my main concern. Regarding scientific efficacy for therapies, reliable sources are held to a more strict criteria called
WP:MEDRS. The article topic needs to be both distinct from what is covered at the
yoga article, and it needs to be backed up by sources ideally meeting MEDRS. It's also important to not include
original research, for example the first sentence reads
- Hi
Darcyisverycute.Kindly guide me how to save the article from deletion. I read the link you sent on saving the article from deletion and want to follow Wikipedia policies on retaining it.Thanks.
Gardenkur (
talk) 13:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Darcyisverycute. Thanks a lot for replying to my query. While the article Yoga deals about the practice of yoga this subject goes a step further in highlighting the practice of yoga in raising our consciousness level. This article will be more elaborated in coming days about the subject. Also yoga in modern terms has been coined with many practices,but classical yoga as per patanjali is different. You can check some of the references by established practitioners and than gauge for deletion. There are not only scientific evidences but proven theory on the effect of traditional yoga practices. Both the articles are different. Kindly give your thought before the remark. I can understand Chiswick Chap comments too but if given slight deeper thought the concept becomes clear though its very vast as subject. In Yoga as article, I dont see its affect on Transformation of our Consciousness. Thank you. Gardenkur ( talk) 13:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Darcyisverycute.Sorry forgot to add I would be in travel from tommorrow for a week and could not be able to reply so will loose this work. Kindly consider. Thanks. Gardenkur ( talk) 14:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 00:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: an OR content fork. Owen× ☎ 01:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this is personal essay not an encyclopedia article. Mccapra ( talk) 19:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.