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The result was delete. Sockpuppet votes have properly been stricken. BD2412 T 21:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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No indication of independent notability / in-depth coverage, should be redirected to artist. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete I can't find anything with a quick Google search. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8525779/gerald-walker-win-streak-video-premiere mentions it, but it's not WP:SIGCOV. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: should be redirected to Gerald Walker, and indeed the nominator and myself have done so several times, but the two Gerald Walker SPAs (who have suspiciously similar user profiles) keep reverting the redirect. I noted on their talk page that one of them has a username (Osatmusic) which is the same as Walker's record label (One Step at a Time, aka OSAT Music). Richard3120 ( talk) 22:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
*Keep: I created this article one day after reading it under the "news' section on the
Billboard website. The problem with the nominators interpretation of
WP:SIGCOV is that the subject isn't a mere trivial mention but more of an edict by Billboard themselves. The additional cites are actual credits from music aggregates. Furthermore, the nominators choice to delete seems more emotional motivated than the commentators. Secondly and tertiary if articles from music industry leading publications such as Billboard and Rolling Stone aren't enough to establish standards for "verifiability and notability", listed in
WP:NALBUM then I truly don't know what is. For at a very minimum the article does "document that the criterion is true".
Krealkayln (
talk) 22:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC) crossing out sockpuppet account.
xinbenlv
Talk,
Remember to "ping" me 19:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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This is an in-depth review.
This is a promo blurb. Good luck convincing anyone that the latter constitutes "significant coverage". --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 18:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
- Krealkayln, not only is the Billboard article you mention (here [1]) nothing more than a promotional push for the video, it's about the song "Win Steak", not this EP... the only mention of the EP is its name, that it will contain four tracks, and its release date. None of that is enough to make it notable and anywhere close to passing WP:NALBUM. Richard3120 ( talk) 18:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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This is an in-depth review.
This is a promo blurb. Good luck convincing anyone that the latter constitutes "significant coverage". --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 18:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Elmidae, You stand on WP:NALBUM to substantiate your claim, however, both articles definitely proves verifiability and-arguably- proves notability. The examples you provide contrasting a music REVIEW via "EW" then an article of 'breaking and entering' isn't an equivalency. If I cited This EW article on John Legend's Wikipedia article regarding his forthcoming album... would it not be an sufficient enough cite? Furthermore, is Billboard not as noteworthy as EW? The only reasonable user making a modicum of sense is Richard3120's assertion of the song "Win Streak", significant coverage and not the album itself. But his proposal isn't to delete but to redirect; which is stretch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krealkayln ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)- Krealkalyn – no, the EW article wouldn't really be a good citation. All it says is "John Legend has a new album coming out in 2020"... without a name or release date, let alone any concrete details about the album, the information is trivial and not useful. Anyway, your argument is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS – as noted, it would be a better argument for redirecting any article about an unnamed future John Legend album than for keeping the Gerald Walker EP. Richard3120 ( talk) 17:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
*Keep: Interesting takes on both sides. In terms of
Richard3120 last response he says “wouldn’t [really] be a good cite” which comes across as ambiguous in theory. Although anecdotal, I’m pretty sure it would be an acceptable cite for that wiki article. Just my two cents. I vote keep.
osatmusic (
talk) 22:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC) —
osatmusic (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. obvious sock struck out --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 00:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps you would be better off explaining why you and Krealkalyn have identical user pages, right down to the articles you have apparently created independently. Should I open a sockpuppet investigation? And also why your username is the same as that of Gerald Walker's record label... Richard3120 ( talk) 21:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
label...
-
Richard3120
Elmidae Not Entirely and you two continue to move the goalpost and provide false equivalencies instead of providing cogent arguments against the subject at hand. Furthermore, I edited the death of
Roger Mayweather yesterday which therefore put this discussion even occurring in my purview. So I vehemently reject the notion that I don’t edit outside of the subject. Please stick to your points and stop waiving false flags.
Osatmusic (
talk)
Osatmusic (
talk 22:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- What "false flag"? The fact is that you and Krealkalyn have identical user pages and claim to have created the same articles. It is also a fact that before yesterday's edits to Roger Mayweather, the last time you made an edit to an article that had no connection to Gerald Walker was in 2011. And we already have provided a cogent argument against the subject – the EP does not pass WP:NALBUM, because there are no in-depth, reliable sources that discuss it. Richard3120 ( talk) 13:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
-
Richard3120
Elmidae Not Entirely and you two continue to move the goalpost and provide false equivalencies instead of providing cogent arguments against the subject at hand. Furthermore, I edited the death of
Roger Mayweather yesterday which therefore put this discussion even occurring in my purview. So I vehemently reject the notion that I don’t edit outside of the subject. Please stick to your points and stop waiving false flags.
Osatmusic (
talk)
Osatmusic (
talk 22:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Does not pass WP:NALBUM. Richard3120: either launch a Sockpuppet investigation or don't, there's no point just making threats about it. Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 12:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin: Krealkalyn and Osatmusic have both been indefinitely blocked as confirmed sockpuppets of the same editor. Richard3120 ( talk) 18:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sockpuppet votes have properly been stricken. BD2412 T 21:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
And Only a Few Ever Find It
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No indication of independent notability / in-depth coverage, should be redirected to artist. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 21:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete I can't find anything with a quick Google search. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8525779/gerald-walker-win-streak-video-premiere mentions it, but it's not WP:SIGCOV. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 21:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: should be redirected to Gerald Walker, and indeed the nominator and myself have done so several times, but the two Gerald Walker SPAs (who have suspiciously similar user profiles) keep reverting the redirect. I noted on their talk page that one of them has a username (Osatmusic) which is the same as Walker's record label (One Step at a Time, aka OSAT Music). Richard3120 ( talk) 22:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
*Keep: I created this article one day after reading it under the "news' section on the
Billboard website. The problem with the nominators interpretation of
WP:SIGCOV is that the subject isn't a mere trivial mention but more of an edict by Billboard themselves. The additional cites are actual credits from music aggregates. Furthermore, the nominators choice to delete seems more emotional motivated than the commentators. Secondly and tertiary if articles from music industry leading publications such as Billboard and Rolling Stone aren't enough to establish standards for "verifiability and notability", listed in
WP:NALBUM then I truly don't know what is. For at a very minimum the article does "document that the criterion is true".
Krealkayln (
talk) 22:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC) crossing out sockpuppet account.
xinbenlv
Talk,
Remember to "ping" me 19:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
-
This is an in-depth review.
This is a promo blurb. Good luck convincing anyone that the latter constitutes "significant coverage". --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 18:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
- Krealkayln, not only is the Billboard article you mention (here [1]) nothing more than a promotional push for the video, it's about the song "Win Steak", not this EP... the only mention of the EP is its name, that it will contain four tracks, and its release date. None of that is enough to make it notable and anywhere close to passing WP:NALBUM. Richard3120 ( talk) 18:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
-
This is an in-depth review.
This is a promo blurb. Good luck convincing anyone that the latter constitutes "significant coverage". --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 18:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Elmidae, You stand on WP:NALBUM to substantiate your claim, however, both articles definitely proves verifiability and-arguably- proves notability. The examples you provide contrasting a music REVIEW via "EW" then an article of 'breaking and entering' isn't an equivalency. If I cited This EW article on John Legend's Wikipedia article regarding his forthcoming album... would it not be an sufficient enough cite? Furthermore, is Billboard not as noteworthy as EW? The only reasonable user making a modicum of sense is Richard3120's assertion of the song "Win Streak", significant coverage and not the album itself. But his proposal isn't to delete but to redirect; which is stretch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krealkayln ( talk • contribs) 17:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)- Krealkalyn – no, the EW article wouldn't really be a good citation. All it says is "John Legend has a new album coming out in 2020"... without a name or release date, let alone any concrete details about the album, the information is trivial and not useful. Anyway, your argument is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS – as noted, it would be a better argument for redirecting any article about an unnamed future John Legend album than for keeping the Gerald Walker EP. Richard3120 ( talk) 17:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
*Keep: Interesting takes on both sides. In terms of
Richard3120 last response he says “wouldn’t [really] be a good cite” which comes across as ambiguous in theory. Although anecdotal, I’m pretty sure it would be an acceptable cite for that wiki article. Just my two cents. I vote keep.
osatmusic (
talk) 22:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC) —
osatmusic (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. obvious sock struck out --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs) 00:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps you would be better off explaining why you and Krealkalyn have identical user pages, right down to the articles you have apparently created independently. Should I open a sockpuppet investigation? And also why your username is the same as that of Gerald Walker's record label... Richard3120 ( talk) 21:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
label...
-
Richard3120
Elmidae Not Entirely and you two continue to move the goalpost and provide false equivalencies instead of providing cogent arguments against the subject at hand. Furthermore, I edited the death of
Roger Mayweather yesterday which therefore put this discussion even occurring in my purview. So I vehemently reject the notion that I don’t edit outside of the subject. Please stick to your points and stop waiving false flags.
Osatmusic (
talk)
Osatmusic (
talk 22:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- What "false flag"? The fact is that you and Krealkalyn have identical user pages and claim to have created the same articles. It is also a fact that before yesterday's edits to Roger Mayweather, the last time you made an edit to an article that had no connection to Gerald Walker was in 2011. And we already have provided a cogent argument against the subject – the EP does not pass WP:NALBUM, because there are no in-depth, reliable sources that discuss it. Richard3120 ( talk) 13:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
-
Richard3120
Elmidae Not Entirely and you two continue to move the goalpost and provide false equivalencies instead of providing cogent arguments against the subject at hand. Furthermore, I edited the death of
Roger Mayweather yesterday which therefore put this discussion even occurring in my purview. So I vehemently reject the notion that I don’t edit outside of the subject. Please stick to your points and stop waiving false flags.
Osatmusic (
talk)
Osatmusic (
talk 22:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Does not pass WP:NALBUM. Richard3120: either launch a Sockpuppet investigation or don't, there's no point just making threats about it. Cheers, 1292simon ( talk) 12:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin: Krealkalyn and Osatmusic have both been indefinitely blocked as confirmed sockpuppets of the same editor. Richard3120 ( talk) 18:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.