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I'm making a program for my TI-84 Plus Silver to help me with Flight Simulator. I'm using Wikipedia to collect several formulas to assist me in this. When I was collecting data for Mach airspeed, on several pages I noticed that the units weren't listed, which is increasing the difficulty in writing this program. I don't know what each input unit is in, for example, air density in what set of units?
As my 2nd grade math teacher would say, "Five Hippos?"
This proposal would remove this confusion. If the units are clearly listed, there would be no difficulties with the formulas.
-- Cricket Boy ( talk) 23:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I would welcome an in depth article about the history of the electric car from the early Baker to GM's CV1.
To be complete it should analyze why the development of electric cars has been crushed by auto manufacturers in USA and Japan and by the oil companies.
Reference: The movie, "Who killed the electric car?" Good as far as it went, but short on reasons.
I do not have the background to write about this. Perhaps a canvas for the engineers and designers of GM's CV1 and former directors of GM might provide accurate substance for the history and analysis.
Ansley Sawyer
ansleysawyer@comcast.net —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.118.250.167 (
talk) 17:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 19:34, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)
I propose that someone writes a bot that, whenever a page somewhere is moved, checks for the formation of a double-redirect, and fixes it so I don't have to. It could surely operate automatically without the need for constant supervision and if someone moves a page back, the bot just goes to work and flips the redirects back appropriately. You wont even know it's there! ---- Seans Potato Business 20:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
If the redirects are fixed automatically, then maybe we don't need to encourage people to fix them and should remove the notification that asks people to check. I used to get annoyed, being asked to do something that a few lines of code should have been doing. ---- Seans Potato Business 02:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
There are several articles in Category:Supercentenarians et al, which need attention. Most of them are not particularly notable to stand on their own. Also, there are several lists of these people, with no specific inclusion between the lists and the articles. As there are hundreds of these articles and lists, individual merges, deletions, and splits, each with its own discussion, would take a horribly long time. Is there policy in place for such a project, or should such a project be made? If it is the latter, I suggest a small subproject of WP:WPBIO, which would handle such articles. It would streamline discussion, and streamline the process of cleaning and standardizing these articles, lists, and categories. Can anyone comment, I'm not quite sure how this should be handled, but I do think that the current method is so unorganized that it should be fixed.-- Vox Rationis ( Talk | contribs) 15:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The concept of Superior Orders as a defence to criminal liability in International and domestic law is missing from Wikipedia. I have quite a bit of research on the subject, (being a law student), but I'll looking to collaborate with someone who can help with the more technical aspects of writing such a piece.
Please post on my talk page if interested. -- Carboxy's moron ( talk) 22:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I think all articles should have the ability to be rated, eg like videos on Youtube, and knols on Google. The reasons for this are twofold:
The key drawback here is that a vote is only completely relevant for the version of the article it was actually intended for. Thus, votes would decay with subsequent edits, with votes from more recent versions of the article receiving a higher weighting. A possible idea is if the user clicks on 'Rating' they see a graph of the rating over time, reflecting the dynamic nature of the article. Furthermore, users should be restricted to one vote per edit, so as not to bias the rating. Abuse would be detected and not tolerated. Suicup ( talk) 03:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Another way to combat potential vote abuse would be to prevent users from rating their own edits. Suicup ( talk) 17:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow. Helpful feedback. Gp, any expansion on your lengthy answer? Johnbod - your 'reason' is precisely why ratings would be a good thing! Being able to rate an article a la Youtube would make for far more relevant and accurate ratings of quality. Suicup ( talk) 09:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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Larry Sanger's memoir notes that "the cultures of online communities generally are established pretty quickly and then very resistant to change, because they are self-selecting." I was thinking this may explain the rising tide of deletionism. Many contributors with inclusionist views have left the encyclopedia because they were tired of their articles getting deleted. As a result, the remaining base of users leans more to the deletionist side of the spectrum. This makes it even harder to shift the consensus in policy debates and x for deletion debates toward inclusionism. It becomes a self-sustaining phenomenon. As has been mentioned in earlier Village Post discussions, deletionism may be a reason for the deceleration in article growth on Wikipedia. But Wikipedia have made so much progress to this point that it seems a shame for people to just give up on the project and chalk up inclusionism as a lost cause.
As Wikipedia:Free speech notes, Wikipedians have only two rights: the right to leave and the right to fork. Yet, a complete fork would probably result in unnecessary duplication of work in an effort to maintain two sets of separately evolving articles on subjects (e.g. George W. Bush) whose inclusion everyone would agree on. Why not, then, have a separate wiki devoted only to articles whose inclusion was rejected (or would be rejected) on Wikipedia on notability grounds? This new wiki would probably be self-selecting toward inclusionism.
Mirrors (such as Answers.com) could choose to search or not search the inclusionist fork based on their own views on notability and whether their users would be interested in those articles. Rather than deleting Wikipedia articles that are verifiable but non-notable, they might simply be transwikied to the inclusionist wiki. Any thoughts on this? Sarsaparilla ( talk) 04:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Whether the inclusionist wiki becomes "successful" is irrelevant. Trivia sites are successful, but Wikipedia doesn't merge with them due to principle. Every article either belongs here, or it doesn't. If it doesn't belong here now, but may belong in the future, editors are given the opportunity to work on it in some userspace page. A whole different wiki for this sort of activity just diverts attention away from editing articles that belong, without a doubt, in the encyclopedia. You don't fork in hopes of a merge.
From my observation it seems current trends are more "inclusionist" than early 2007. Inclusionists might have left, but deletionists might have left also due to the frustration of seeing ridiculous articles being kept. But the inclusionism-deletionism distinction isn't good to begin with: we're each an inclusionist towards certain types of articles, and a deletionist towards other types, with seemingly valid reasons. This roughly balances out overall for consensus to decide whether each article is encyclopedic. It's not perfect, but it works well enough. – Pomte 05:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
As for putting deleted articles in userspace, that's acceptable provided (a) there appears to be a reasonable chance that the subject could become an article, and (b) there is some indication that you're working on improving the article, over time. So a philosophic discussion about television shows that you really like, or an attack page, or an advertising page, are going to MfD, sure. On the other hand, a stub with a couple of sources, or notes about where you plan to get sources, isn't something (I'm guessing) that really bothers other editors. (If you have counter-examples of MfDs for things that really could become articles, and were doing no harm where they were, I'd welcome your posting links here.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking for a while and was surprised to find it doesn't seem to exist. I know we have a few methods of adding Wikipedia search to browsers, but how about an actual toolbar? I was thinking of a row of buttons that would basically duplicate links found on Wikipedia's pages, such as the tabs -- so that, for instance, if you're scrolled halfway down a long article and want to go to its discussion page or edit the page, you could click a toolbar button rather than having to scroll all the way up for the "discussion" or "edit" tabs. As a frequent editor I've often wished for something like this.
This doesn't seem like that difficult a thing to create, for firefox at least. Equazcion •✗/ C • 09:19, 6 Jan 2008 (UTC)
← It appears the toolbar in this link only contains shortcuts for inserting code snippets while editing a page. This is different from what I proposed above. If anyone would like to offer feedback on the idea as I've proposed it, please do so. Thanks. Equazcion •✗/ C • 14:08, 6 Jan 2008 (UTC)
How bout someone create a new toolbar? One that can include a link to your user page, talk page and maybe even shortcuts to any page you want! And if your an admin, it should also have a section for WP:ANI and others. This would be something really helpful. Feed back ☎ 05:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Don't be a dork. An essay I wrote, after seeing a recent ArbCom case. Zenwhat ( talk) 04:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the 'Random article' feature is really neat. I enjoy learning things that I've never even heard of. I have wondered if 'Random category' as well as 'Random sub-category' would be worthwhile. I really don't know if it would be viable or if it would put an unncecessary burden on the servers. Some feedback would be appreciated. 67.161.208.225 ( talk) 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
If you want you can also add such a link to your toolbox. I use this on my Special:Mypage/monobook.js to add a "Random template" link beneath my "Random article" link. You are however required to have a Wikipedia account in order to do that. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I've developed for the Adopt-a-User project on the French Wikipédia a bot to update a page when there is an arrival or a leaving in Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user.
So watching this page, adopters know there is someone to adopt. If adopters are intesrested by this idea, I'll make a bot request to maintain such a page.
The discussion is here.
-- Dereckson ( talk) 23:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 19:45, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)
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I'm making a program for my TI-84 Plus Silver to help me with Flight Simulator. I'm using Wikipedia to collect several formulas to assist me in this. When I was collecting data for Mach airspeed, on several pages I noticed that the units weren't listed, which is increasing the difficulty in writing this program. I don't know what each input unit is in, for example, air density in what set of units?
As my 2nd grade math teacher would say, "Five Hippos?"
This proposal would remove this confusion. If the units are clearly listed, there would be no difficulties with the formulas.
-- Cricket Boy ( talk) 23:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I would welcome an in depth article about the history of the electric car from the early Baker to GM's CV1.
To be complete it should analyze why the development of electric cars has been crushed by auto manufacturers in USA and Japan and by the oil companies.
Reference: The movie, "Who killed the electric car?" Good as far as it went, but short on reasons.
I do not have the background to write about this. Perhaps a canvas for the engineers and designers of GM's CV1 and former directors of GM might provide accurate substance for the history and analysis.
Ansley Sawyer
ansleysawyer@comcast.net —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.118.250.167 (
talk) 17:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 19:34, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)
I propose that someone writes a bot that, whenever a page somewhere is moved, checks for the formation of a double-redirect, and fixes it so I don't have to. It could surely operate automatically without the need for constant supervision and if someone moves a page back, the bot just goes to work and flips the redirects back appropriately. You wont even know it's there! ---- Seans Potato Business 20:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
If the redirects are fixed automatically, then maybe we don't need to encourage people to fix them and should remove the notification that asks people to check. I used to get annoyed, being asked to do something that a few lines of code should have been doing. ---- Seans Potato Business 02:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
There are several articles in Category:Supercentenarians et al, which need attention. Most of them are not particularly notable to stand on their own. Also, there are several lists of these people, with no specific inclusion between the lists and the articles. As there are hundreds of these articles and lists, individual merges, deletions, and splits, each with its own discussion, would take a horribly long time. Is there policy in place for such a project, or should such a project be made? If it is the latter, I suggest a small subproject of WP:WPBIO, which would handle such articles. It would streamline discussion, and streamline the process of cleaning and standardizing these articles, lists, and categories. Can anyone comment, I'm not quite sure how this should be handled, but I do think that the current method is so unorganized that it should be fixed.-- Vox Rationis ( Talk | contribs) 15:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
The concept of Superior Orders as a defence to criminal liability in International and domestic law is missing from Wikipedia. I have quite a bit of research on the subject, (being a law student), but I'll looking to collaborate with someone who can help with the more technical aspects of writing such a piece.
Please post on my talk page if interested. -- Carboxy's moron ( talk) 22:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I think all articles should have the ability to be rated, eg like videos on Youtube, and knols on Google. The reasons for this are twofold:
The key drawback here is that a vote is only completely relevant for the version of the article it was actually intended for. Thus, votes would decay with subsequent edits, with votes from more recent versions of the article receiving a higher weighting. A possible idea is if the user clicks on 'Rating' they see a graph of the rating over time, reflecting the dynamic nature of the article. Furthermore, users should be restricted to one vote per edit, so as not to bias the rating. Abuse would be detected and not tolerated. Suicup ( talk) 03:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Another way to combat potential vote abuse would be to prevent users from rating their own edits. Suicup ( talk) 17:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow. Helpful feedback. Gp, any expansion on your lengthy answer? Johnbod - your 'reason' is precisely why ratings would be a good thing! Being able to rate an article a la Youtube would make for far more relevant and accurate ratings of quality. Suicup ( talk) 09:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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}
}
addOnloadHook(feedbackTab);
Larry Sanger's memoir notes that "the cultures of online communities generally are established pretty quickly and then very resistant to change, because they are self-selecting." I was thinking this may explain the rising tide of deletionism. Many contributors with inclusionist views have left the encyclopedia because they were tired of their articles getting deleted. As a result, the remaining base of users leans more to the deletionist side of the spectrum. This makes it even harder to shift the consensus in policy debates and x for deletion debates toward inclusionism. It becomes a self-sustaining phenomenon. As has been mentioned in earlier Village Post discussions, deletionism may be a reason for the deceleration in article growth on Wikipedia. But Wikipedia have made so much progress to this point that it seems a shame for people to just give up on the project and chalk up inclusionism as a lost cause.
As Wikipedia:Free speech notes, Wikipedians have only two rights: the right to leave and the right to fork. Yet, a complete fork would probably result in unnecessary duplication of work in an effort to maintain two sets of separately evolving articles on subjects (e.g. George W. Bush) whose inclusion everyone would agree on. Why not, then, have a separate wiki devoted only to articles whose inclusion was rejected (or would be rejected) on Wikipedia on notability grounds? This new wiki would probably be self-selecting toward inclusionism.
Mirrors (such as Answers.com) could choose to search or not search the inclusionist fork based on their own views on notability and whether their users would be interested in those articles. Rather than deleting Wikipedia articles that are verifiable but non-notable, they might simply be transwikied to the inclusionist wiki. Any thoughts on this? Sarsaparilla ( talk) 04:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Whether the inclusionist wiki becomes "successful" is irrelevant. Trivia sites are successful, but Wikipedia doesn't merge with them due to principle. Every article either belongs here, or it doesn't. If it doesn't belong here now, but may belong in the future, editors are given the opportunity to work on it in some userspace page. A whole different wiki for this sort of activity just diverts attention away from editing articles that belong, without a doubt, in the encyclopedia. You don't fork in hopes of a merge.
From my observation it seems current trends are more "inclusionist" than early 2007. Inclusionists might have left, but deletionists might have left also due to the frustration of seeing ridiculous articles being kept. But the inclusionism-deletionism distinction isn't good to begin with: we're each an inclusionist towards certain types of articles, and a deletionist towards other types, with seemingly valid reasons. This roughly balances out overall for consensus to decide whether each article is encyclopedic. It's not perfect, but it works well enough. – Pomte 05:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
As for putting deleted articles in userspace, that's acceptable provided (a) there appears to be a reasonable chance that the subject could become an article, and (b) there is some indication that you're working on improving the article, over time. So a philosophic discussion about television shows that you really like, or an attack page, or an advertising page, are going to MfD, sure. On the other hand, a stub with a couple of sources, or notes about where you plan to get sources, isn't something (I'm guessing) that really bothers other editors. (If you have counter-examples of MfDs for things that really could become articles, and were doing no harm where they were, I'd welcome your posting links here.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking for a while and was surprised to find it doesn't seem to exist. I know we have a few methods of adding Wikipedia search to browsers, but how about an actual toolbar? I was thinking of a row of buttons that would basically duplicate links found on Wikipedia's pages, such as the tabs -- so that, for instance, if you're scrolled halfway down a long article and want to go to its discussion page or edit the page, you could click a toolbar button rather than having to scroll all the way up for the "discussion" or "edit" tabs. As a frequent editor I've often wished for something like this.
This doesn't seem like that difficult a thing to create, for firefox at least. Equazcion •✗/ C • 09:19, 6 Jan 2008 (UTC)
← It appears the toolbar in this link only contains shortcuts for inserting code snippets while editing a page. This is different from what I proposed above. If anyone would like to offer feedback on the idea as I've proposed it, please do so. Thanks. Equazcion •✗/ C • 14:08, 6 Jan 2008 (UTC)
How bout someone create a new toolbar? One that can include a link to your user page, talk page and maybe even shortcuts to any page you want! And if your an admin, it should also have a section for WP:ANI and others. This would be something really helpful. Feed back ☎ 05:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Don't be a dork. An essay I wrote, after seeing a recent ArbCom case. Zenwhat ( talk) 04:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the 'Random article' feature is really neat. I enjoy learning things that I've never even heard of. I have wondered if 'Random category' as well as 'Random sub-category' would be worthwhile. I really don't know if it would be viable or if it would put an unncecessary burden on the servers. Some feedback would be appreciated. 67.161.208.225 ( talk) 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
If you want you can also add such a link to your toolbox. I use this on my Special:Mypage/monobook.js to add a "Random template" link beneath my "Random article" link. You are however required to have a Wikipedia account in order to do that. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I've developed for the Adopt-a-User project on the French Wikipédia a bot to update a page when there is an arrival or a leaving in Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user.
So watching this page, adopters know there is someone to adopt. If adopters are intesrested by this idea, I'll make a bot request to maintain such a page.
The discussion is here.
-- Dereckson ( talk) 23:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Moved to WP:VPR/Persistent proposals. Equazcion •✗/ C • 19:45, 28 Feb 2008 (UTC)