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The pseudorandom number generator which backs the Special:Randompage link appears to be not so good. I just hit it about two dozen times and had several links come up multiple times. - º¡º
Here's what I found out with a few SQL queries. The cur_random field values are strongly clustered up around the high end. In fact, there are no articles at all between about 0.18 and 0.4, and only few below 0.18. A few minutes of browsing through the old versions of SpecialRandompage.php shows why. A previous version of the software selected the lowest-numbered cur_random value, and set it to a random value. So here's why we now see poor results: Most of the pages are clustered up above 0.9 or so, so when you click Special:Randompage, there's a high chance of picking one of the few low-numbered articles. The cur_random value is then reset, and there's still a high chance of the new value being below 0.9. Hence, the few priveleged low-numbered articles get selected far more often, and unless someone re-randomizes cur_random column, it will take a long time for the high-numbered articles to diffuse back down. -- Tim Starling 04:25 May 1, 2003 (UTC)
While we're discussing random pages, would it be acceptable do uninclude all pages with a comma and a state name in the title? I'd like to see real articles, not bot-written city data (which accounts for a considerable percentage of Wikipedia articles). -- Geoffrey
Long, long ago, someone suggested removing the Ram-Man/Rambot articles from Special:Randompage, but Ram-Man argued that those articles need just as much editorial attention as all the other articles. As I remember it, no-one else made any comments. I agree with Geoffrey -- I would like to see them excluded. With the current version of Special:Randompage software, it would be fairly easy to set cur_random for all Rambot articles to -1, thereby ensuring they never get selected. But understand that it's controversial, and therefore unlikely to be implemented. -- Tim Starling 06:00 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
I wonder if perhaps a sysop could lock the Frumpysnarf page? Hephaestos 20:25 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
Trouble is, now the demonstration on Wikipedia:How to start a page won't work properly. (The demonstration is the reason for Frumpysnarf's long history of bizarre new-user experimentation, of course.) Mind you, I'm not sure the demonstration is giving the right message anyway: twice now, I've seen new users create their articles at Frumpysnarf and then rename them, instead of creating the new article outright. -- Paul A 07:33 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)
Trouble with some Holy Roman Emperors I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, but there's a serious problem with the current nomenclature for Holy Roman Emperors named Henry. I mentioned this in the "German Kings and Emperors" talk page, but I suspect that nobody reads that, so I thought I'd bring it up here. Essentially, they're all numbered wrong. The traditional numbering is as follows: Henry I the Fowler 919-936 (who was only German King, and not Emperor, and thus the problem) Henry II 1002-1024 Henry III 1039-1056 Henry IV 1056-1106 Henry V 1106-1125 Henry VI 1190-1197 Henry VII 1308-1313
Currently, the Wikipedia articles are set at one number too low, due to Henry the Fowler's not being an actual emperor. Thus, the article on Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor refers to the man who is always called Henry IV. And so forth. This is completely wrong. I'm new here, so I'm not sure how to go about fixing this, as it would seem to involve switching around the texts of numerous articles. Any help would be appreciated john 08:22 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
Is there an index of "most read" or "most indexed" articles? I'd like to read what others are reading. (Recent changes aren't exactly the same thing.) Thanks. Samw 02:30 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
A couple of times in the past, using Internet Explorer 5.2 for the Mac on wiki I have been hit by bugs whereby letters on the keyboard would mean different things to what they should. I ended up closing IE completely and re-opening and usually though not always this went away. Tonight, the same phenomenon has struck this time on the safari browser in wiki. (And true to form, as I write about it here, it has cleared up, but only after I had left wiki and opened up other pages using safari, where no such problem existed. Then, back in wiki, everything was fine. [[[[][][][]][ Yippee!!! I can type square brackets again. And yes, 'y' produces y and not 'z' ( and 'z' produces z not y.) This is not the first time this has happened on safari, and I experienced it on IE. And never ever outside wiki. It is making using wiki almost impossible. I just did an archive on the talk page of Communist state and I had to cut and page colons, square brackets, round brackets, etc. I could not even sign a contribution as the ~~~~ could not be typed, and my É in my name had had the fada (that thing on the top) on the bottom. I presume that there is a browser problem, but as it only ever seems to happen on wiki, there must be a wiki side to it. ÉÍREman 00:32 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
It happened again, when I tried to type in the talk page of Wilhelm II of Germany. I left, went onto a different screen, when into hotmail, typed there. Everything came out correctly and when I went back into wiki on another screen, hey presto, everything is working again. What is going on? ÉÍREman 01:24 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
Anthere listed a bunch of pages on my talk page. These are a great many former redirects which she blanked because they were not equivalent to the thing being redirected to. e.g. Agroecology had redirected to Ecology. She wanted me to delete them, but I don't want to make a false step. Should I:
I mostly asked you because you deleted on sight my comment on disagreement. I see not well which difference there is between deleting disagreement and deleting industrial waste. None have any article on them. But, of course, I will have to blank them everyday till they are deleted, and maybe budda will recreate them all after deletion .... best would be stub, yes anthere
I often have trouble with the wikipedia responding slowly and would like to have an offline version, I would rather download a simple package just install run then the wiki code which looks a bit complicated, so I though the tomberaider database would be the simples but I can not download it! Is it still supporeted? I try to download from http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_as_TomeRaider_database_-_download_instructions but get "The page cannot be found" error. Have anypne made a one download offline version of wikipedia? I think that would be a very interesting project. Prefereably running on windows, but a standalone bootable linux CD would be interesting also.
Stefan 01:15 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)
Err... maybe I'm being stupid, but the Wikipedia clock seems to be out by about 8 minutes. I'm writing this at 11:16 BST (10:16 UTC) -- Mintguy 10:09 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)
What's the recommendation for using InterWiki links? Most links to other wikis are written out in URLs - should these be changed to the appropriate InterWiki links? Should the articles about other wikis themselves use URLs, InterWiki links, or both? Geoffrey 03:31 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)
Could the Wanted pages be updated please ?
Option Request: "Move Page" in Nostalgia
Could we have the "Move this page" option available in Nostalgia skin? Maybe somewhere on the lower bar, among "Discuss this page", "Watch this page", etc. -- Menchi 12:32 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
Re: "Client-side scripting" Tim Starling above; Somehow I don't feel phased with what you said, reminded by "if it aint broke don't fix it". I'm conditioned by Prolog with its 2 instructions, Cut and Fail, and where the System-Typing is implicit in the predicate DB design. I'm trying to figure out just what (technical within Wikipedia) resources are available for building some sort of Propadeutic such as in Britannica where the Atoms of knowledge are in the Micropaedia and the Articles are topicalised in the Macropaedia. Am I right in thinking that the "icy reception" is simply the prefernce to err on the side of caution? Is it going too far to suggest that Wikipedia is merely a good Data Capture device? By the way is this the place to talk about such things? user:Jus
I split the article Head of Government as I found it be about Prime Ministers and Parliamentarism to 90%, neglecting Presidents and the Presidental system. Now, I didn't dare to make too drastical changes, so I limited myself to creating a new page: Parliamentarism, history. This motivates a few reflections:
Comments? Suggestions? Advices? Critic? Please! :-) -- Ruhrjung 07:44 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
Knowing nothing about PHP and little about Wiki, I would like to hear from one of your online experts whether it might be possible to embed a Smalltalk VM, select and run (doIT) a method (script) from within the Wiki. -- Jus
Re: "Client-side scripting" Tim Starling above; Somehow I don't feel phased with what you said, reminded by "if it aint broke don't fix it". I'm conditioned by Prolog with its 2 instructions, Cut and Fail, and where the System-Typing is implicit in the predicate DB design. I'm trying to figure out just what (technical within Wikipedia) resources are available for building some sort of Propadeutic such as in Britannica where the Atoms of knowledge are in the Micropaedia and the Articles are topicalised in the Macropaedia. Am I right in thinking that the "icy reception" is simply the prefernce to err on the side of caution? Is it going too far to suggest that Wikipedia is merely a good Data Capture device? By the way is this the place to talk about such things? user:Jus
Wikipedia makes decision by consensus-finding, which makes seems to make it conservative. If you're just making suggestions and not offering to write code, you have to get one of the developers on your side, or your suggestion will just be ignored and forgotten about. As for choice of forum, here is fine for short disscussions (i.e. not much longer than this is now) and newbie stuff. Then there's the mailing list wikipedia-l for policy discussion (which this is), wikitech-l for technical implentation (which this probably won't become but it's there just in case) and meta for longer proposals and essays. -- Tim Starling 03:34 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
I recently ran across the Timeline of U.S. economic indicators and noticed it needs a lot of work. I've listed it on Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, but it seems to have been ignored. I'm hesitant to list it on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion because this page could have some useful information, but it would require a lot of time and research. If it seems no one is willing to bring it up to date (it hasn't been touched in seven months) it seems that it should just be deleted. Any thoughts? -- Minesweeper 09:45 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
Not sure where this ought to go, but I often think when carrying on a discussion through User_talk: pages, it would be rather nice if the ~~~ sig went to the User_talk: page instead of the User: page. An even better solution might be a different combination, either more tildes, or three or four of some other character (@@@? %%%?), which would give a link to your talk page instead. Feasable? I would think so. Worthwhile? You decide, I don't do PHP. -- John Owens 07:10 May 2, 2003 (UTC) | John Owens 07:09 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
OK, this may seem kinda strange, but since I go to the school, I figure I have a right to talk about it. :) And since I have no idea how to go about fixing this, I've decided to bring it up here.
Anyway, on the Minnesota page, the "College of Saint Benedict" and "Saint John's University" are listed as two separate institutions, and link to two separate Wikipedia articles (both empty), when actually they are a joint academic institution (see http://www.csbsju.edu ) ... also, on the List of colleges and universities starting with S page, the institution is erroneously referred to as "St. John's University, College of Saint Benedict" when in actuality they are always listed in alphabetical order and spelled out in full.
HOWEVER (and here's the kicker), I'm not sure what the proper naming for the correct entry should be. The institution is normally referred to as College of Saint Benedict | Saint John's University in "official" terms (ie, the full names with a pipe character as separation), or as CSB/SJU in shorthand (ie, the abbreviations with a slash as separation). Should there be new #redirects for CSB and SJU (listed in full) that redirect to a joint page? What would the naming for the joint page be? Should the institution still be listed separately (ie, CSB on "C" and SJU on "S") with both links being the same, or should it be listed just once as a doubly-named institution (the latter of which is slightly more correct)? As you can see, I'm really confused by this ....
If someone can help me out in this, I'll be glad to start filling out the entry for this school! Thanks a bunch! -- TimmyD 07:52 May 1, 2003 (UTC)~
Has someone changed the page layout. I am now getting the underlines in the left hand menu going right accross the screen, and am unable to access the top fields. I think this was working yesterday. (using Mozilla 1.4a) -- Chris Q 07:02 May 1, 2003 (UTC)
I spent several hours uploading and inserting photographs into many, many, many articles on Saturday evening and virtually every one of them got modified. I would appreciate some explanation as to why they were modified, instead of just being slapped across the face with the back of the hand. Why should I bother trying to contribute? I'm starting to feel that this is personal. -- Zoe
Sometimes I make some edits and everyone reverts them or changes them again right away. But this is OK: I know it's only because you all hate me and are out to get me. Other times, I make some edits and no-one touches them or even reads them for months. But this is OK too, it just means that everyone is ignoring me because I am an incredibly boring and worthless person and you all hate me. And sometimes I make a bunch of edits and a few of them get changed and a few of them don't, and some people even post notes to say what nice edits they were. But this is OK, because I know that it is all just a plot by my enemies to confuse me with insincere fake praise because you all hate me. tAnNIn
(OK, now that I've had my fun, I'll make a serious comment: we all feel like that sometimes. It's part of the deal, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Just the same, I always think it is discourteous to sit on someone's hammer and follow their edits around. (Unless they are out-and-out vandals, of course.) Usually, if I find myself editing the same person's work for the third time in a row, I try to find something else to work on for a while so as not to be rude. As for yesterday's edits, I saw Zoe's name on all those uploads and edits and didn't look at them, because I figured that, whatever it was that she was doing, it would be good, positive work and I could leave those pages in her capable hands. (That's a compliment, Zoe.) Tannin 07:39 May 5, 2003 (UTC))
Thanks, Tannin. -- Zoe
Can anyone help me with a redirect problem? I'm trying to create a page for the Turk, a 19th century chess playing machine (which was actually a fraud).
Anyway, as you can see from the link above, it redirects you to info on Turkey. It would be nice to have the choice to go to either info on the turk chess playing machine or Turkey when clicking on a "Turk" link. Is this possible in a redirect?
Or does anyone think that the "Turk" page should be info only on the chess machine?
Tommertron May 4, 2003.
Vkem has been creating strange articles, see Aimo Cajander, Lauri Ingman, Väinö Tanner and Haltiatunturi. These seem to be machine-translations of some sort. For example, I compared Aimo Cajander and this Finnish website [3] (the fourth page that came up when searching on google for "Aimo Cajander"). The article looks like a word for word translation of this website. Are these copyright infringements? In any case the articles have to be rewritten to be human-understadable. -- Jniemenmaa 13:18 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
List of artists posted today by User:141.219.44.74 makes no sense. MammaBear
I'm attempting to format "years in sport". If anyone wants to look at
2003 in sports to see what I have done and suggest changes and improvements, please do. I'll wait a few days until there is an acceptable Template, then I'll start copying the format and setting up each of the past 100 years or so.
Jacques Delson
Can't believe I forgot tennis! Will add it, but the smaller sports like weightlifing etc can be in the General category. I'll set up a sample on the 2003 in sports page. Jacques Delson
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Ammunition and some linked pages contain mostly (if not entirely) info from Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911, and most is hopelessly outdated. It is very well written, though, and would possibly be better placed on a history page. I don't feel too comfortable just replacing hundreds of lines of text with what would be a stub in comparison... Comments? europrobe 10:15 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
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RE: September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack....shouldn't the article title be "September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks"? The attacks may have been orchestrated and planned together, but there were distinctively separate attacks made. Kingturtle 01:36 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)
In a well-meaning attempt to improve things, I've done something terrible to the title of the Tomaz Pisanski article. Help!! -- Paul A 05:32 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
I moved it back to Tomaz Pisanski. Further discussion on Talk:Tomaz Pisanski -- Tim Starling 06:04 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
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How come my hearts and diamonds on Most wanted Iraqi playing cards are green instead of red? Kingturtle 22:39 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
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Is there no end to the ability of I Explorer to screw up images on wiki? Because it found the images on the pages too big (which other browsers didn't), I cropped a series of images on Dublin. In safari, the new page with the cropped image shows up. Ditto with Netscape. Ditto with opera. And with camino. But as usual IE does things differently and still shows the upcropped images extra large on the page. Why isn't IE 5.2 for a Mac able to instantly update the page like everyone else? Is it just images or does it not update text too? Will it eventually update? Why the hell does anyone else that damned browser? I gave up in frustration months ago but thought it necessary to check the page using it just to make sure it was not screwing it up. And surprise, surprise, it was and is still doing it.
BTW - Netscape doesn't recognise the <small></small> command, which means captions written in small lettering and laid out as such goes haywire in netscape because it treats all lettering as the same size. Is there anyway to counteract this? ÉÍREman 21:56 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
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I've just edited closed source, replacing "he" with "they". This got me thinking. Does wiki have a policy on gender? "He" is old fahsioned and I think should be avoided in original writing. Some strange feminists think we should write "she" (I've seen this in some weird software manuals) - I think this is equally stupid. I changed to "they", which is common usage for a neutral gender case in the UK, but I understand that this is not universal? Thoughts? CGS
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I switched to the 2002 in sports page to do the setup for a template. This page could get very large unless discretion and good judgment is used but at the same time I did not want to leave any country or major event out but I'm sure I have. Please check it out before I start setting up the last 100 years. Once done, there will be much work needed to get each year up to snuff. Big job, just doing 2002 was exhausting. Volunteers? Jacques Delson
Thanks, I didn't put Tiger Woods all together because that becomes really hard work. I'm lazy, want a master template to copy and paste then beside each annual event type the winner's name. This is such a huge job I really don't think I can handle more than that. If someone else has some ideas, that would be helpful. I'll leave it a few more days so people can make changes before I start. Jacques Delson
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Automated conversion
What are "Automated conversion"? See 'em all around, but dunno what they're. -- Menchi 11:56 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
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Why is wikipedia so unbearably slow right now? Kingturtle 09:36 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
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Question: Why the distinction between (say) "[[as of 2003]]" and "as of [[2003]]"? They both link to the same page.
...no, hang on a second, I think I've got it. Pages that link to "[[as of 2003]]" are grouped together on 2003's WhatLinksHere page, so they're easier to locate and update. Is that it?
-- Paul A 01:26 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
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The below note was left on User Talk:Infrogmation:
Are we having a problem with blocking vandals on AOL without blocking other users? What is the proper procedure here? -- Infrogmation 22:54 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
A user called Daniel C. Boyer has created a page for himself on the french wikipedia. I saw he also has a page here, and saw mentionned the pump about this article, but did not find it. I would like to know exactly how much well known is that man, for he is absolutely unknown from french people, and I think his article will likely be deleted. Any advice please ? user:anthere
The current version of Daniel C. Boyer is written by me. I did this because I think if he's important enough to have several articles about his works included in Wikipedia, he should have a proper article about him in the main namespace. I made my case for this on User talk:Daniel C. Boyer. And I would say that just because he doesn't have a large French following doesn't mean he should be excluded from French Wikipedia -- although I guess that's not for me to decide. -- Tim Starling 02:56 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
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Hi
I'm trying to reduce the size of an uploaded image, anyone got experience of that. I tied to crop it in Graphic Converter offline, then up load it , but the new upload was bigger, although still a croped version of the old... help! TonyClarke 11:40 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
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KanjiReference ok?
Is this appropriate encylopedia content: KanjiReference:Index? If so, can someone explain why to easy my confusion? Is wikipedia also a foreign language textbook? -- mib 23:53 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
But so are alphabets, greek letters and so on. Anyway, There were some debates in the past. Please use Wikipedia:WikiProject Chinese characters. Thanks -- Taku 01:27 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
We don't seem to be able to Protect Image pages. Can this be done? -- Zoe
Logo Protection
Having our logo Image:Wiki.png vandalized is a great insult to Wikipedia and all of us. Why isn't that image protected? The vandal must be banned. -- Menchi 20:36 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
should B.E.A.M be BEAM? Kingturtle 07:21 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Extremely Profane User Name
Lorenzarius, kt2, and I have discovered an extremely offensive user name: user:Dewlaylomo, which explicitly means "(go) fuck your aging mother" in Cantonese, a curse equivalent to "motherfucker". Mandarin has a similarly pronounced phrase as well. So it isn't just offensive to the Cantonese-speaking, it is offensive to all Chinese, unless s/he has a particularly unfeeling numb mind. This isn't just offensive to selective sensitive people.
As Scipius discovered, this user is at least a partial vandal. S/he replaced the American national flag with a skull and bones picture. (See User talk:Dewlaylomo)
This is unacceptable, period. We have a Wikipedia:No offensive usernames policy. If this username is discovered by more Chinese, Wikipedia will be viewed as anti-Chinese. The only option is deletion of the account name. -- Menchi 22:03 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
user:Dewlaylomo, has inserted a link to uglychinese.org. IMO his name is offensive on purpose. Ericd 22:53 14 May 2003 (UTC)
I too think that this name should in some way be removed. I'd be quite surprised if I was looking through a page's history and happened upon user:(go) fuck your aging mother. I agree that it's not urgent but I think if it's possible to rename it to Dew so that Dew appears in the edit histories then this task should be added to the bottom of a developers to-do list. -- Ams80 23:19 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Extremely Profane User Name
Extremely Profane User Name
This user showed up for a week in January, didn't really contribute anything useful, and left (as most vandals do). I removed his name, and I don't expect him back. LDC
I was messing around with color on my user page, and I wanted to see if I could change the color of one of the links on my page. You see, it is a link to an internal page, but wikipedia gives it the color of an external link. I found out that it is really easy to do this in a bit of a funky way with the <font> flag.
Here is an example:
hEx MiXeR
and here is the code: [http://home.i1.net/~dwolfe/hexmixer/ <font color="FF6633">hEx MiXeR</font>
MB 19:02 15 May 2003 (UTC)
How do I find articles with the word nickname in them? When I do a search I am taken to the nickname article. I don't want that. I want to see a list of all the articles with the word nickname in them. I used to be able to do a search for word-appearances. Is the merging of the Search and Go buttons the reason why I can't do this anymore?
Being able to find word-appearances is important for editing. For example, when I made the No-Fly Zone page, I then went to each article that had the words no-fly zone, and I bracketed them to link to my new article. Kingturtle 05:49 May 12, 2003 (UTC)
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Hi all, I'm sure that a while ago I came across a page somewhere (possibly on meta) which listed landmarks for all the wikipedias, so for example when the Danish wiki reached 5000 articles it would be announced on that page. I can't find it anymore (which in some ways makes me question whether it existed in the first place...), if anyone knows where it is could they let me know? I started looking for it today because I noticed that the German wiki had passed 15,000 articles. Anyway, if it does exist I'd appreciate having my mind put at rest! Thanks in advance -- Ams80 22:59 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
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What's the current concensus regarding links from (and over-linking of) years and dates in articles? Where should I look? A Style guide?
To what degree is it adviceable to link from all occurances of a certain year, or to limit it to when deemed relevant, or the first occurence in an article, or the first occurence under a headline or a line... :-) -- Ruhrjung 05:29 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
In tables, we may want a link repeated several times, because readers do not always start at the top and read through the table, as they more likely would with prose. --
Ellmist
Sunday,
May 11th, 0
2003]
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Are there any statistics on how often Special:Randompage gets accessed? I'm trying to figure out how often each page in the 'pedia gets viewed (on average). -- Crenner 03:06 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
I think there may be a conflict when uploading a picture. I mean when someone creates a new article, and upload a picture, nothing tells him that the picture already exists and the web site doesn't ask him to confirm. I guess a confirmation should be required. Thomas 21:23 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Ryder cup -- Clue me in, please. Why is the "c" in cup not capitalized? The Ryder Cup is the legally incorporated name of the tournament, it is not a descriptive word like say, coffee. The reason I ask, is that this type of label appears in several places at Wikipedia and it is affecting links. Thanks. Jacques Delson
So, move it to Ryder Cup... I just did. -- Infrogmation 07:11 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
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Quick note: could a developer look through the history of
communist state -
this edit by Tannin seems to be in a weird state...
Martin
Nonresponsive Anon
142.59.27.250 has made some unreasonable changes. S/he separated a Chinese word arbitarily into two parts in the middle against the official convention that all characters of a word is to be written without a space in between (that represents a pause), on Kung Fu and Wushu. S/he also deleted mention of Cantonese terms, on Wushu. I have asked him/her why on the Kung Fu Talk page, but s/he did not respond. Ten minutes later, I posted a message on his Talk page. It's been over half an hour now, he still is ignoring. Although s/he has add the phrase "two word" before 功夫, seems as a response to my question. But it's wrong. 功夫 are two characters, they are collectively one word. What do we do? -- Menchi 07:29 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Why is it when I do a search for Novel I get a "Badly formed search query" result? Kingturtle 04:09 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Is there anything in the works to make the "@" symbol work in article titles? I ask because Genome@Home and Folding@Home don't show up correct as links on distributed computing. -- Minesweeper 22:33 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
Hi, this could cause a little bit of debate... do we have a policy on images of the clitoris? The Wikipedia has just gained itself a picture of one and if you're easily offended I'd reccomend not clicking this. Have fun -- Ams80 21:29 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
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a minor problem with redirect
I noticed that when I'm redirected to another page, the usual statement "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." doesn't show up. Instead, it says "redirected from _____." Not that it's a big problem, but should I bring it to sourceforge? Tomos 21:07 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
So, I've had this problem occasionally sprout up when creating redirect pages. Basically, the redirect doesn't work, and when I try to edit to correct it, it gives me the edit page for the page that I'm trying to redirect to. How can this be created? john 03:28 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
Technical: IPA
Why is it that on IE 5, while this web site can display every single IPA letters and diacritics correctly, none of the Wikipedias can display any, except the standard 26 English letters? Something looks wrong. We should better WP. -- Menchi 07:13 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Suggestion: keep using SAMPA in markup, but provide an option to have this "translated" into IPA characters if the user chooses. -- Tarquin 08:23 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Function Request: "Move Page" in Nostalgia
Could we have the "Move this page" option available in Nostalgia skin? Maybe somewhere on the lower bar, among "Discuss this page", "Watch this page", etc. -- Menchi 12:32 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
I suggest create a wiki tag for translation without the need of create a new article in the destination language. For example, if I am in new-article and see no translation to my natural language, I could use this translation tag (i.e. [[t:languageaISObbreviation:translationA]]<nowiki>) to indicate that there is no correspondant article in the another language, but the translation of the article to the another langue is ''translationA''.
I can't get <math> to work right. Pizza Puzzle
I don't want a fraction, I want to display the above equations as <math> is supposed to display stuff; rather than as normal text. Pizza Puzzle
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Why isn't the default set to render png? Pizza Puzzle
What do we do when an article is so poorly written it might as well not be there? I'm refering to BEAM written by Workisfun. No capital letters, little punctuation, crap spelling, sentences that are all inside out and upside down. English may not be his first language, but honestly - I send mobile phone text messages that are better thought out and more formal than this. Some examples: "aestetics-obviously it has to look like something. like an ant", "anyways another way to approach this is that by using random patterns that use motor feedback", "Biology-meaning inspired by particularly bugs which uses their gates". It's too bad to just apply a few copy edits. What should we do? Cgs
I believe the Image Upload page has been disabled on the old and the new servers for about 36 hours now. Can anyone tell me when it might come back?
Thanks
Adrian Pingstone 14:59 May 15, 2003 (UTC)
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Just an announcement, I've added a Wikipedia:Standard user greeting for those who are interested. I assume this is the appropriate place for this? Are there any pages that should link to this? MB 18:50 14 May 2003 (UTC)
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WOW! SALT II is terrible! It appears to be nothing but the text of the treaty. I think a brief description of the treaty, and maybe some history would be more approriate with an extern link to the actual treaty. MB 15:12 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
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What do you do when you find entries like "kdd is french rap very good the first singer of this crew is Dadoo or dadppda and he made a new album solo very good" ( KDD) ? This is POV, and stubbish but it gives information (ok... at least now I know it's french rap). Muriel Gottrop
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I believe that Ativan is a trademark used for the drug lorazepam...but i may be wrong. If so...shouldn't the article be called Lorazepam rather than Ativan...with Ativan redirecting to Lorazepam? Kingturtle 07:32 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
should B.E.A.M be BEAM? Kingturtle 07:21 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Is it maybe time to update Wikipedia:Most_active_Wikipedians again? jaknouse 07:04 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Color me naive, but what does Bytesexual mean? Kingturtle 06:08 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Since it's topical... There's a vote on in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (years in titles) to decide how to put years in titles. We don't have a particular standard at the moment - different articles use different options. Voting closes in one month's time: June 13 (aka 13 June). If you don't vote, you forfeit the right to bitch if you don't like the outcome! *grin* Martin
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You've heard of pages so big they can't be edited? I've found one so big it can't even be displayed, as far as I can tell. List of rock and roll albums, 156K. I don't know what's to be done with this... but paradoxically, I can edit it - I assume the HTML markup that the page generates is really big though, causing my problems viewing it. Evercat 21:49 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
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Is there any reason why you can't put a comment on a move page as you can on an page to explain briefly why you are doing it, or apologising for a move to a mispelt page title? jimfbleak 15:29 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
Talking of comments, it would also be nice to be able to embed a comment within an article page so that it showed up while editing but not while viewing. This would be useful for marking pieces of text or facts which are in fact correct even though they appear to be wrong to a casual reader. -- Derek Ross
Excellent! Can you give an example ? -- Derek Ross
Thanks, guys. That's a neat feature. -- Derek Ross
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FA Premier league, season review
Would it be worthwhile to have an article about a particular season in the English football Premier league. I'm planning to add the end of season league table, as well as a few miscellaneous highlights. For example, Arsenal F.C. losing their xx point lead, Sunderland A.F.C. having the worst season ever. etc.
Which naming format should this article use? I want to name it as a subpage of the main FA Premier league page: FA Premier league/2002-03.
Erzengel 13:09 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
The page was helpful, but there are no mentions of events spanning years yet. Usually, soccer seasons are called 2002/03 or 2002-03 (two digits). I feel inclined to follow the convention set by the Football World Cup pages, so I'm tempted to go for FA Premier league 2002-03. Erzengel 13:50 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
There is a table somewhere of the people with most edits on Wiki, so presumably there is some software counting this for each user.
Whilst I would not aspire to such heights as that table, I would be interested to know my own figures, either for total edits, new articles or both. Is there any way of finding this data, or is it information restricted to administrators? (I don't want to count all the way back through My Contributions, even if it keeps all edits. jimfbleak 12:06 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
Logo/Image Protection
Having our logo Image:Wiki.png vandalized is a great insult to Wikipedia and all of us. Why isn't that image protected? The vandal must be banned. -- Menchi 20:36 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
We don't seem to be able to Protect Image pages. Can this be done? -- Zoe
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Please block ip 203.108.4.70 for repeated vandelism. See User contributions for changes. Almost all have been vandelism.
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I get a 404 on the TeX images in Wilson's theorem. In all other pages it seems to work fine. This is on the new server. -- Arvindn 07:12 16 May 2003 (UTC)
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I hadn't realised until I saw an item above that it is possible to see other user's contribution list. This has obvious benefits for keeping track in an area of shared interest, and I can understand how to do it for a not-logged-in contributor. How can I see the list for a logged-in contributor, when I don't know the relevant number? jimfbleak 10:12 16 May 2003 (UTC)
This is really stupid, but... I posted in a talk: page regarding profanity, and now I can't find it. I know it's not the regular discussion page for
profanity.
Smack 23:57 19 May 2003 (UTC)
There's currently a (very minor) edit-war going on in the London Congestion Charge page about whether the caption on the final picture, which shows a one of the signs that indication one is leaving the charge scheme area, should read "'London Congestion Charge Zone Ends' sign", which is just a re-reading of the content of the picture, after all, or "You are now leaving the London Congestion Charge article", or some an otherwise similar wording of either. There's a vote going on on the talk page over whether it should be changed to the former from the latter after remaining as it was for many months; the primary charge against keeping the wording is that wikipedia should remain bereft of humour and human touches, as they smack of improfessionalism. Of course, the wording I've just used is somewhat POV, but we're getting tired of people editing it back and forth. Would anybody else like to weigh-in with their vote? James F. 16:49 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Does anybody know what is going on with inherently funny word? I consider myself to have decent sense of humour (I'm British after all), but this page just seems to be a list of words which someone is saying are funny. Is this just the POV of someone (someone who laughs each time he reads "sock"), or am I missing the big joke? CGS 12:27 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Nested redirect
Why is Calligrapher redirect nested... three times? -- Menchi 12:21 18 May 2003 (UTC)
I'm just wondering if there is any convention regarding the use of dates in the Julian Calendar and how they should be mentioned along with the Gregorian Calendar dates. I just did an initial draft of Tikhon of Moscow and had both dates for his death, I put them both in the parenthetical date listing at the beginning and User:Eloquence took out the Gregorian Calendar date not knowing it was an alternate date (I've now tried to make it clear and put the mention to the Julian calendar date at the end). As the Russian Empire and the early Soviet Union used these Old Style calendar dates it is often not clear which date is being used, also the O.S. dates are still used in many eastern Orthodoxy churches such as January 7 for Christmas (december 25) and January 14 as the date for the Christian religious celebration of News Year's Day. Alex756 11:20 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Regarding the news on the front page, users may click a link and ask themselves, "Why is this in the news?". IE: Why is EU in the news? I suggest that links have a "Purpose" clause. When you hover over a link, this text should be shown after the article name in the word bubble. And when you click the link the Purpose clause should also appear above the article text highlighted. Example: [ [ European_Union|EU|On April 16, 2003 the treaty of Accession was signed by the 10 new members and the 15 old ones in Athens. ] ] 24.198.144.163
When detailing Swedish subjects I have run into the problem that I don't know how or when to translate names. For example, say I want to write about Gyllene Tider which is a Swedish pop music band. Since there is AFAIK no official English translation to that name should I make up one on my own. Golden Times? Or Falukorv which is a trademark and the closest english translation I can think of is "Falu Wurst" which isnt that accurate.
help! i dove into where i shouldn't have dove. i thought it would be easy to change September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack to September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks....but there are toooooo many other pages that are effected, and I want to switch them back. Could someone do me a favor and ROLL BACK everything i did from 22:10 17 May 2003 until 22:25 17 May 2003....i would be much obliged. Kingturtle 22:48 17 May 2003 (UTC)
September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Aftermath -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Timeline September 11 -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Hijackers -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Celebrations -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Plane casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/City of New York casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Pentagon casualties -- Timeline of the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Donations -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Non-American casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Back history -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Closings and Cancellations -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Footer template -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Memorials and services -- And that isn't even a quarter of them. I realized I was in over my head and that I'd do more harm than good over changing just one little letter. And what if I missed a few? It is too complex a set of pages. Kingturtle 09:49 18 May 2003 (UTC)
For some reason none of my emails to the list are getting through (you guys fed up with me or something? ;) So here's my ideas for the current nicknames debate:
In itself, the nickname function is fine. Lee can sign "LDC", Mav "Mav". Like many things, if it's used *responsibly* there isn't a problem.
Three options:
I'd say go with 3. -- Tarquin 14:45 17 May 2003 (UTC)
This was brought up at Talk:Main Page. It seems the article counter on the Main Page and Special:Statistics is stuck at 120701 articles. Does this have something to do with the recent webserver/database reconfiguration? -- Minesweeper 11:10 17 May 2003 (UTC)
Some articles are long enough but just plain bad, viz. French Revolution. It's short on facts, and stylistically worthy of a fifteen-year-old. There is a talk: entry calling for it to be rewritten, and detailing various and sundry problems. That entry was written no later than March, but apparently nothing substantial has been done.
Here's an idea that could force the rewriting of the article. Just delete the entire text, place a link to the article in its former state, and a note kindly asking history buffs to step forward and whip up a new article.
Is there a page which details progress so far in this project? -- 195.137.39.195 04:20 17 May 2003 (UTC)
See:
I was trying to get the alt text of an image on my user page to be the url where the original could be found, so I tried the following as the wiki link [[Image:Mbeckerhawaii1.jpg|<nowiki>http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mdb29/images/hawaii1.jpg]]</nowiki> and this is the html that the pedia shot out: <a href="/info/en/?search=Image:Mbeckerhawaii1.jpg" class='image' title="http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mdb29/images/hawaii1.jpg"><img border=0 src="/upload/b/b0/Mbeckerhawaii1.jpg" alt="3iyZiyA7iMwg5rhxP0Dcc9oTnj8qD1jm1Sfv4"></a>.
How come the alt tag for the image is "3iyZiyA7iMwg5rhxP0Dcc9oTnj8qD1jm1Sfv4"? How come what I expected to be the alt tag "
http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mdb29/images/hawaii1.jpg" ended up being the title tag? Is this a bug?
MB 23:23 16 May 2003 (UTC)
What is the policy on blocking vandals? Why should they be unblocked? MB 22:53 16 May 2003 (UTC)
An oddity I've noticed... In the history of The Conservative Party (UK) [8] there are two edits from earlier today by User:Realpolitik; however, the link under the name "Realpolitik" is not to his/her (empty) user page, but to his/her contributions [9], as if "Realpolitik" were an anon IP address. Curiously, there are no contributions listed there, not even the edits to The Conservative Party (UK). I'm getting the "contributions" link in my watchlist as well, and saw it on Recent Changes earlier, and see it whether I'm logged in or not. Do other people see this behaviour? Can anybody explain it to me? -- rbrwr
Is there some way to automatically insert your user name and a time stamp into an article? I see people with things like lommer 04:48 16 May 2003 (UTC), and it's always the same format, so I guess there is something, but I've had a good search and I can't see any reference to such a tool. Cgs
There isn't a page titled E=mc^2 (or some variant). shouldn't there be? Are = signs not allowed in titles or is there another reason why this isn't so? -- lommer 04:48 16 May 2003 (UTC) (moved by Cgs to the bottom of the page, it was at the top for some reason)
The policy of putting new text at the bottom does seem counterintuitive. Pizza Puzzle
"=" doesn't seem to be a legal character: the PHP script says the legal characters are "-,.()' &;%!?_0-9A-Za-z\\/:\\xA0-\\xFF". We do have a nice discussion of E=mc2 at special relativity. -- Tim Starling 01:52 17 May 2003 (UTC)
Goatse.cx is going way overboard with its content. Do we really need such graphic details?
Are we going to start giving graphic details of shitfreaks.com and snuffx.com next? (NOTE: DO NOT VIEW SHITFREAKS.COM or SNUFFX.COM; they were just an example to mention for my argument). Kingturtle 04:52 20 May 2003 (UTC)
We've been through this before and I'm thinking about creating an FAQ on the subject. No matter what you think about censorship, the fact remains that if we allow our users only to filter by "adult" content / no "adult" content we already make an explicit choice about what is or isn't "appropriate" for children. Such a choice is, by definition, POV and thus unacceptable by our current NPOV policy. Some parents want their children to be kept away from sexual information, other parents think that children should have full access to all information, others again may have entirely different standards about what it is "inappropriate", e.g. articles critical of certain religions, lifestyles or governments. If we implement any filtering system, it must be a generic one that can be used to meet these different standards, not a simplistic "family filter" checkbox. -- Eloquence 22:43 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Anyone feel like writing Chelsea Flower Show, sicne it's in the news? -- Tarquin 19:22 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Move Article & Redirect
Is it true that we cannot move an article if there is an existing redirect by the desired title, even if after we deleted the redirect's content?
If so, so what do we do in this case? Often redirect actually contains a more suitable title. -- Menchi 01:37 21 May 2003 (UTC)
In IE, the link to a larger picture on International Phonetic Alphabet actually reveals a smaller picture. A page with png alone automatically shrinks the png within the constraint of the page. I use 1024 x 768, and it's still slightly small. So the popular 848 will definitely reveals something even smaller, making the "Click here for larger version" label seems like a trick! ;-p
Is there any way to get around it? -- Menchi 09:49 21 May 2003 (UTC)
If there is no limit to how offensive we can get on wikipedia, then there should be no restrictions on offensive user names. Kingturtle 00:24 21 May 2003 (UTC)
The point Kingturtle is trying to make, I think, is precisely that there is indeed "a distinction between facts presented being found offensive by some people, and gratuitously provoking offense with non-informational elements of presentation". He would agree that "the first case is defensible, as it is our mission to be informative" and he would agree that "the second case is not defensible". However, he is not such a fool as to think that any and every fact presented in an article must be there only for its ostensible purpose, which is to inform and educate. What Kingturtle is saying is that there is a difference between presenting the relevant facts in order to inform and educate on the one hand, and presention of things which happen to be factual under the pretence of "informing and educating", when in truth the clear and only purpose is to shock and/or offend.
Kingturtle brilliantly demonstrated the truth of this by writing what was essentially the same article on a different and non-offensive topic, at Microsoft.com. When we look at that same entry, shorn of it's offensive shock value, we can immediately see that its level of detail and style of presentation is inappropriate. Tannin 07:49 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Is there some sort of (meta)page that will list, instead of all recent changes, only those recent changes made by users who are not logged in? This might be an easy way to track vandalism, as it seems to me that most vandalism is caused by passersby rather than established users... with the obvious exception of "career" vandals such as Lir or Michael. -- Dante Alighieri 00:29 22 May 2003 (UTC)
I've discovered quite an annoying problem recently, concerning edits that include special characters and I'm wondering whether this is known more generally? The examples I've encountered has transcribed characters such as "Å" into "AA" and "ü" into "u:". This is thoroughly annoying, and what's worse it has also broken established links to other articles. At first I suspected merely carelessness by the individual editors, but now I'm more inclined to believe that it's some form of configuration problem on their systems. Examples include:
All these changes broke established links, but the changes has been reverted. Does anyone have more information on this, and has there been any action taken to stifle the effects of this malice? -- Mic 08:12 19 May 2003 (UTC)
On my work, where I suspect the Windows NT-version run is rather old, due to a policy of not doing unneccessary updates, I have noticed a similar phenomenon. If I, in a www-interface for e-mail similar to the wiki-interface with text-boxes, open a received letter, intending to forward it, then non-danish characters are conversed to their "&something;" equivalents on save. I.e. I don't notice it unless I make a temporary save. It's even more irritating when less usual characters (as English quotation marks or em-dashes) are converted to "&digits;". I suspect I've seen traces of the same behavior here. Is it, beside the more serious problem
User:Mic addresses, also a problem if <<Åland>> is converted to <<Åland>>?
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Ruhrjung 09:01 19 May 2003 (UTC)
Anyone feel like writing Chelsea Flower Show, since it's in the news? -- Tarquin 19:22 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Is it true that we cannot move an article if there is an existing redirect by the desired title, even if after we deleted the redirect's content?
If so, so what do we do in this case? Often redirect actually contains a more suitable title. -- Menchi 01:37 21 May 2003 (UTC)
At absolute value, I linked the inequalities to inequality; however, doing so underlines the inequality and essentially changes the meaning of the inequality. Pizza Puzzle
Why are links underlined? Pizza Puzzle
I know this is slightly offtopic, but can someone explain what "modulus" means? I know two conflicting mathematical definitions:
I can't believe there are two seperate mathmatical definitions of the same word - are they related in some way? CGS 14:43 21 May 2003 (UTC).
I hate to be picky, but shouldn't the article titled
Linux be housed at
GNU/Linux since Linux =/= GNU/Linux? I would like to make the current Linux page a disambiguation page that points to the
Linux kernel article, and GNU/Linux. It would be something like this:
Linux is commonly used when refering to
GNU/Linux whose distributions include
Redhat Linux,
SuSe Linux, and other commmon distributions. It can also be used to refer to the
Linux Kernel.
MB 18:44 21 May 2003 (UTC)
It is not a fact that the name of the operating system is GNU\Linux, but you are presenting it as such. It's the POV of the GNU project. Why do they have the authority to dictate the offical name for this software? I think there should be a page Linux refering to the Linux operating system, and a page Linux Kernel talking just about the kernel. CGS 19:35 21 May 2003 (UTC).
Three comments/suggestions/questions:
Though I know little about the subject, from what I've heard of XML/XHTML, if it could or has been combined with wiki, interactive databases (with sortable tables, etc.) should become an easy possibility for wiki users including at wikipedia. Are there any plans in the works?
Two, for convenience sake, particularly for slightly long pages such as this one, could "edit this page" be also at the top of the page also?
Three, again, for medium sized pages--such as List of reference tables, I think anchors could be invaluable....It seems as pages get too large, people will move stuff to a new page. It is too inconvenient to have to click on new pages all the time, particularly for pages which benefit from a bird's eye view.
Thanks! - Brettz9 19:46 24 May 2003 (UTC)~
Since no one responded before, I'll ask again. Is there some sort of (meta)page that will list, instead of all recent changes, only those recent changes made by users who are not logged in? This might be an easy way to track vandalism, as it seems to me that most vandalism is caused by passersby rather than established users... with the obvious exception of "career" vandals such as Lir or Michael. I'm thinking a DDQ would probably do it, but I'm new to such fancy-shmancy type stuff. Any help would be appreciated. -- Dante Alighieri 08:32 23 May 2003 (UTC)
I submitted this exact idea to the Sourceforge feature request tracker months ago, and I also pointed out that it would only take a few lines of PHP code to implement. Preferably the option would be hidden to the "anonymous" users themselves -- if it was displayed in full view on RC, it would encourage vandals to log in. -- Tim Starling 05:23 24 May 2003 (UTC)
If anybody is wondering what I was doing vandalising soid, I'm afraid it was a girl friend. I assure you that she has been punished. CGS 17:20 25 May 2003 (UTC).
I posted this on J.Hoffman Kemps page and on the List of French monarchs discussion page. This person has kept up her nonsense for a long time, driving several users away. Whatever her agenda, someone has to put an end to it, because despite polite, then stern warnings about her conduct, this man or woman going by the user name of J. Hoffman Kemp ignores everything. It is vandalism to delete facts because they disprove what are unfounded theories that smell of racism and I certainly do not to continue to work at this website if this kind of behavior is allowed to continue.
Well, it's too bad that somehow someone called J Hoffman Kemp has Administratibve powers to delete peoples work and others do nothing about her vanadalism. I came here to contribute, but not to spend my time to argue with someone who posts opinions and POV articles and has the audacity to inform Wikipedia in an article that SHE will allow the Carolingians on the list of French monarchs. This makes a joke out of Wikipedia. So, I say goodbye, and thank User:AntonioMartin for his valued help. Jacques Delson 23:16 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Is there a way for me to merge the contributions I made when I first started out at the wiki, while I was at work 139.85.23.43, to my contributions page? MB 02:59 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Hey, cool. Can you merge 144.137.254.230's edit into my edit history? It was just the once, but knowing it's there and not marked as mine has been slowly eating away at my sanity... :) -- Paul A 07:26 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Is the image on Mario_(Nintendo_character) a copyright violation? MB 02:43 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Someone needs to delete Theravada and move Theravada Buddhism there so that the edit history will be preserved. Mkweise 01:14 22 May 2003 (UTC) DONE - Tannin
hi everybody....i don't have really a question but i dont know where to put this else.... i have a little idea, perhaps you know www.babylon.com, its a translater software with MANY other dictionaries, also encyclopedias. everybody can make its own dictionary ( http://www.babylon.com/display.php?id=15&tree=3&level=2) so why can't anybody build a little tool to put the wikipedia material into the right format for babylon?? the great thing is that many babylon have many users an all the wiki links in topics page will lead directly into the wikipedia article (if formated as a web link)....sorry my english is very bad, and please shift this idea to the right place (but leave a message here for me please) its only an idea....ok....thnx for reading this (posted by User:Esteban Franz Tichy)
Nearly every page in Wikipedia has a Talk page, with a 'Discuss this page' link at the bottom of the associated article. Several pages do not, mainly the Special pages, which are mostly dynamically generated (or dynamically generated into a static page).
Is there a talk page to discuss the Special pages? For example, what wording should go on them (the contents of several of them are not really explained very well), what their contents should actually be, etc. -- Nanobug 21 May 2003
Sysop
I am really sorry to insist, but I would be very pleased if someone took the time to explain to me that oddity.{...}
Anthere
In IE, the link to a larger picture on International Phonetic Alphabet actually reveals a smaller picture. A page with png alone automatically shrinks the png within the constraint of the page. I use 1024 x 768, and it's still slightly small. So the popular 848 will definitely reveals something even smaller, making the "Click here for larger version" label seems like a trick! ;-p
Is there any way to get around it? -- Menchi 09:49 21 May 2003 (UTC)
I have a 1881 book called The Young Folks' Cyclopedia of Persons and Places by John D. Champlin, Jr. It was published by Henry Holt and Company, NY. What is the copyright status of something like this? Would I be able lift portions into wikiarticles, the way we can with 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica? Kingturtle 05:50 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Long discussion of shock sites moved to Talk:Shock site by me, Tannin 10:21 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Could someone that knows something about quantum mechanics or such take a look at the contributions of User:Stupidmoron? I don't know anything about this subject, but the first change this user made had the comment "some vandalism." As far as I can tell, the information is on valid subjects, but I can't tell if the information is valid. MB
I've noticed that a few times when I am editing a text in the editing Wikipedia browswer window that the page would get saved inadvertently — probably by hitting the enter key on my numberpad — though I think it happened otherwise and I haven't figured out why. I was wondering — why does it default to the save page (that seems to be highlighted when I open an editing page) rather than the Show Preview button? Wouldn't it make sense to highlight the preview button, either for these accidents or to prevent people from uploading minor edits by default when they should be previewing their pages until they get them right? — Alex756 12:15 20 May 2003 (UTC)
I'm planning to include one or two tables but, as I'm not very good at that sort of thing, I don't know exactly how to go about it. In particular, I'd need headings not just for the columns (i e at the top of the table) but also on the left-hand side for each row. I had a look at false friend and cover version, but there the left-hand column I'm talking about is missing. Can anybody refer me to instructions on how to do it or a similar table which I could then copy and adapt? Thanks in advance, -- KF 12:34 19 May 2003 (UTC)
Please see Image talk:Philadelphia.jpg. Is the copyright requirement at http://openphoto.net/doc/html/license.html in concert with the GNU Free Documentation License? - Zoe 01:45 19 May 2003 (UTC)
The words infamous is not NPOV. I am considering removing usage of the word in wikipedia, and sometimes replacing it with a more NPOV word (except in cases of fictitious accounts, which I will leave alone).
It is going to take some thought to get the sentences right, but the word infamous is overused and not NPOV. However, before I even set out on the project, I wanted to get some other opinions. Am I just over reacting? Am I not seeing the value of the word? Can the word be NPOV? Kingturtle 19:46 18 May 2003 (UTC)
I have created an article for "Live free or die" - the delightfully quirky state motto of New Hampshire. The question is: Should the title have quotation marks in it?
I didn't put them in because it seemed weird, but since the title refers to the words as words rather than their meaning, maybe they should be there. I can't find other article titles that are phrases to act as guidelines, although that's probably just due to lack of imagination on my part. Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks 15:04 27 May 2003 (UTC)
I have a strategic question regarding the use of <i>...</i> as opposed to ''...''. I know that <i>...</i> has been deprecated, but it is endorsed by How to edit a page. If I'm writing a foreign-language expression (i.e. sine qua non, or something in Elvish), I want it to be italicized, as convention dictates, not just emphasized. I'm afraid that non-italics-supporting browsers would use a contra-conventional mode of formatting, thus obviating the reason why italics were deprecated in the first place. I'm bringing this up because I've been copyedited at least once after using <i>...</i>. Smack 05:50 30 May 2003 (UTC)
Why do you think I can't criticise you unless I'm a sysop, and why did you complain about Evercat's English, when your's is worse? CGS 14:02 30 May 2003 (UTC).
Quote Viking (I think in this mess): "if you are interested and capable: read the German or Dutch sites of our project, those correspond to the laws (which is much more liberal, even in Germany)" -- Where on earth did you get the idea that an American based company who offers a page in the German language must conform to the laws of the country of Germany. Was that from paragraph 3(a) from the California Civil Code of Gilbert? Triton
Viking, no matter who they are, is clearly a vandal, and a troll. Just look at thier original contribution to
fisting. They replaced the entire article with:
Fisting is also a gesture by a
viking, forming the hand into a
fist.
it can be used as a friendly but fast signal to show that there are limits for a decent
encyclopedia if it wants to be used and endorsed by
schools, universities and parents
and then continued to delete the article, and other articles, after being reverted.
In addition, Viking harased other users multiple times. I think this account should be banned.
MB 18:27 30 May 2003 (UTC)
User:Viking has been censoring articles because she/he thinks that they are illegal under US pornography laws. I asked him about this, and she/he basically said don't challenge me - I'm a sysop. Another user challenged her/him about this, and Viking took the piss out of the user's English. See the talk page. Looking back over the page, she/he seems to do this a lot, and has a bit of a snobbery problem. CGS 13:16 30 May 2003 (UTC).
Viking's claims to be a sysop under a different account are highly implausible, given this user's behaviour. He or she is just a troll. Evercat 13:21 30 May 2003 (UTC) ---
Why do you think I can't criticise you unless I'm a sysop, and why did you complain about Evercat's English, when your's is worse? CGS 14:02 30 May 2003 (UTC).
Quote Viking (I think in this mess): "if you are interested and capable: read the German or Dutch sites of our project, those correspond to the laws (which is much more liberal, even in Germany)" -- Where on earth did you get the idea that an American based company who offers a page in the German language must conform to the laws of the country of Germany. Was that from paragraph 3(a) from the California Civil Code of Gilbert? Triton
Triton: (sorry we can not address you better, you have no user page) allow us to answer to your brought up question: We meant of course the USA law - sorry about the confusion on your side - and if it is within the USA law it is within the German law, which is broader (opener) in respect to pornography - sorry about our language Viking 14:49 30 May 2003 (UTC)
Discussion of User:Viking has been moved to User talk:Viking/ban.
Damn, looks like I missed all the fun/excitement last night/tonight, however you look at it. -- John Owens 11:07 24 May 2003 (UTC)
More like annoyance heh -- Poor Yorick
Something to be a bit concerned about: 66.13.172.18 has created a non-NPOV article titled Hacker community. It needs serious revision. While looking over her/his other contributions, I noticed other non-NPOV articles Richard Stallman, Hacker. We need to do something about these 3 articles. Should we delete Hacker community since it is just some guy ranting? MB 01:52 24 May 2003 (UTC)
Following the link on Taiping Rebellion, I created a page on its leader, "Hong Xiuquan." But for some reason, while the title on the page says "Hong Xiuquan", the status bar says "Hong Xiu-qun", and the URL says [[Hong_Xiu%ADquan]]. It apparently is neither Hong Xiuquan or Hong Xiu-quan.
But how can this be? In the editing field of Taiping Rebellion, it expliciyly spells the name without any weird hyphen.
I tried to move [[Hong_Xiu%ADquan]] to Hong Xiuquan, its proper spelling, but it says that the title already exists. -- Menchi 09:01 23 May 2003 (UTC)
How many images are too many? I've only ever seen one image. I wanted to add the famous picture of the soldier shot in the head to the Spanish Civil War page, as well as a typical propaganda poster of the times. wji 0000 EDT 23 May 2002
Is there any way of ftp-ing to Wikipedia, so as to be able to save specific pages quicker? Thanks in advance... -- thehumanchimp
It came to my attention today that all of the data in the Broomfield County, Colorado article was actually data for Boulder County, Colorado. This makes me question the accuracy of the bots that have been used to load location data. How many other articles about locations have misdirected data? Kingturtle 22:40 24 May 2003 (UTC)
When looking at random pages in Wiki I've found many many pages on small towns and cities in the US. Where are all of these coming from? CGS 21:50 24 May 2003 (UTC).
Some wikipedians have drawn up discussions on proper Wikipedia format of the Name of Emperors at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). Any comment, especially from points of view in English language, is welcomed before a generally agreed format is decided by poll. thanx kt2 22:08 25 May 2003
If anybody is wondering what I was doing vandalising solid, I'm afraid it was a girl friend. I assure you that she has been punished. CGS 17:20 25 May 2003 (UTC).
I've seen a few people adding language links when there is no corresponding page in that language. I imagine they see links like {{de:foo}} in the page source, and think we are simply tying to list the translations of the page name. It's obviously not malicious. But we need two things:
Image Use
I'd like to use this picture for my old article
Silkworm missile.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/irfna/fig6.htm
It's from a US military, therefore a government, site about gulf war sickn.. oops.. gulf war illness.
I was wondering if it was fair use or what? Tristanb 06:49 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Oops :-) too late, i'll crop convert it to JPG now. Pity they started with a gif eh! Thanks Tristanb 07:20 25 May 2003 (UTC)
What's the prefix for Project Sourceberg (ps.wikipedia.org, meta:Project Sourceberg)? Our own fulltext of The Raven would be better than a link to a non-Wikipedia site, but [[ps:The Raven]] just disappears: "", and the actual URL for Sourceberg is not optimal. On a side note, I noticed that a link to any language code not set up disappears: I was earlier today trying to convert a wikipedia.org URL on the Internet-Encyclopedia (which uses Wikipedia3 software) to an en: link, but it simply displayed blank. So do we need the Pashto language configured to get minimal Sourceberg support? -- Geoffrey 04:35 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Two comments/suggestions/questions:
Though I know little about the subject, from what I've heard of XML/XHTML, if it could or has been combined with wiki, interactive databases (with sortable tables, etc.) should become an easy possibility for wiki users including at wikipedia. Are there any plans in the works (for wikipedia or in wiki projects in general)?
Two again, for medium sized pages--such as List of reference tables, I think anchors could be invaluable....It seems as pages get too large, people will move stuff to a new page. It is too inconvenient to have to click on new pages all the time, particularly for pages which benefit from a bird's eye view.
Thanks! - Brettz9 19:47 24 May 2003 (UTC)~
users as HTML or aliases on wikipages, but I'm curious how the structure XML seems to provide could be harnessed.
If wikipedia is using a database to keep the pages here, does that mean it is conceivable that the anchor issue could be resolved by allowing users to choose--if they wish--to load multiple pages at once (i.e., by treating each page as a record and then requesting multiple records)? If this is possible, it would seem that pages could be kept short, but also combined by a user. It might be complicated for editing though, I imagine, if it is at all possible.
If it is using a database, I also wonder whether people could collaboritively add new or edit existing categories for individual pages. This would prevent a lot of duplication of effort (as well as make connections people might otherwise miss), as I see it, as pages could simply be called up by their categories rather than being a jungle of links. It is nice to have the latter option perhaps also (i.e., to collaboritively make a page of reference links), but it seems a lot of this could be done more smoothly by a collaboritive and queriable database. Thank you... - Brettz9 18:27 25 May 2003 (UTC)
And one more question if anybody knows...Is there some way that people may be able to perform "find" operations on text inside an edit box (without cut-and-pasting it to another document). It seems it could save some time.
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The pseudorandom number generator which backs the Special:Randompage link appears to be not so good. I just hit it about two dozen times and had several links come up multiple times. - º¡º
Here's what I found out with a few SQL queries. The cur_random field values are strongly clustered up around the high end. In fact, there are no articles at all between about 0.18 and 0.4, and only few below 0.18. A few minutes of browsing through the old versions of SpecialRandompage.php shows why. A previous version of the software selected the lowest-numbered cur_random value, and set it to a random value. So here's why we now see poor results: Most of the pages are clustered up above 0.9 or so, so when you click Special:Randompage, there's a high chance of picking one of the few low-numbered articles. The cur_random value is then reset, and there's still a high chance of the new value being below 0.9. Hence, the few priveleged low-numbered articles get selected far more often, and unless someone re-randomizes cur_random column, it will take a long time for the high-numbered articles to diffuse back down. -- Tim Starling 04:25 May 1, 2003 (UTC)
While we're discussing random pages, would it be acceptable do uninclude all pages with a comma and a state name in the title? I'd like to see real articles, not bot-written city data (which accounts for a considerable percentage of Wikipedia articles). -- Geoffrey
Long, long ago, someone suggested removing the Ram-Man/Rambot articles from Special:Randompage, but Ram-Man argued that those articles need just as much editorial attention as all the other articles. As I remember it, no-one else made any comments. I agree with Geoffrey -- I would like to see them excluded. With the current version of Special:Randompage software, it would be fairly easy to set cur_random for all Rambot articles to -1, thereby ensuring they never get selected. But understand that it's controversial, and therefore unlikely to be implemented. -- Tim Starling 06:00 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
I wonder if perhaps a sysop could lock the Frumpysnarf page? Hephaestos 20:25 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
Trouble is, now the demonstration on Wikipedia:How to start a page won't work properly. (The demonstration is the reason for Frumpysnarf's long history of bizarre new-user experimentation, of course.) Mind you, I'm not sure the demonstration is giving the right message anyway: twice now, I've seen new users create their articles at Frumpysnarf and then rename them, instead of creating the new article outright. -- Paul A 07:33 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)
Trouble with some Holy Roman Emperors I'm not sure if this is the right place for this, but there's a serious problem with the current nomenclature for Holy Roman Emperors named Henry. I mentioned this in the "German Kings and Emperors" talk page, but I suspect that nobody reads that, so I thought I'd bring it up here. Essentially, they're all numbered wrong. The traditional numbering is as follows: Henry I the Fowler 919-936 (who was only German King, and not Emperor, and thus the problem) Henry II 1002-1024 Henry III 1039-1056 Henry IV 1056-1106 Henry V 1106-1125 Henry VI 1190-1197 Henry VII 1308-1313
Currently, the Wikipedia articles are set at one number too low, due to Henry the Fowler's not being an actual emperor. Thus, the article on Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor refers to the man who is always called Henry IV. And so forth. This is completely wrong. I'm new here, so I'm not sure how to go about fixing this, as it would seem to involve switching around the texts of numerous articles. Any help would be appreciated john 08:22 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
Is there an index of "most read" or "most indexed" articles? I'd like to read what others are reading. (Recent changes aren't exactly the same thing.) Thanks. Samw 02:30 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
A couple of times in the past, using Internet Explorer 5.2 for the Mac on wiki I have been hit by bugs whereby letters on the keyboard would mean different things to what they should. I ended up closing IE completely and re-opening and usually though not always this went away. Tonight, the same phenomenon has struck this time on the safari browser in wiki. (And true to form, as I write about it here, it has cleared up, but only after I had left wiki and opened up other pages using safari, where no such problem existed. Then, back in wiki, everything was fine. [[[[][][][]][ Yippee!!! I can type square brackets again. And yes, 'y' produces y and not 'z' ( and 'z' produces z not y.) This is not the first time this has happened on safari, and I experienced it on IE. And never ever outside wiki. It is making using wiki almost impossible. I just did an archive on the talk page of Communist state and I had to cut and page colons, square brackets, round brackets, etc. I could not even sign a contribution as the ~~~~ could not be typed, and my É in my name had had the fada (that thing on the top) on the bottom. I presume that there is a browser problem, but as it only ever seems to happen on wiki, there must be a wiki side to it. ÉÍREman 00:32 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
It happened again, when I tried to type in the talk page of Wilhelm II of Germany. I left, went onto a different screen, when into hotmail, typed there. Everything came out correctly and when I went back into wiki on another screen, hey presto, everything is working again. What is going on? ÉÍREman 01:24 Apr 29, 2003 (UTC)
Anthere listed a bunch of pages on my talk page. These are a great many former redirects which she blanked because they were not equivalent to the thing being redirected to. e.g. Agroecology had redirected to Ecology. She wanted me to delete them, but I don't want to make a false step. Should I:
I mostly asked you because you deleted on sight my comment on disagreement. I see not well which difference there is between deleting disagreement and deleting industrial waste. None have any article on them. But, of course, I will have to blank them everyday till they are deleted, and maybe budda will recreate them all after deletion .... best would be stub, yes anthere
I often have trouble with the wikipedia responding slowly and would like to have an offline version, I would rather download a simple package just install run then the wiki code which looks a bit complicated, so I though the tomberaider database would be the simples but I can not download it! Is it still supporeted? I try to download from http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_as_TomeRaider_database_-_download_instructions but get "The page cannot be found" error. Have anypne made a one download offline version of wikipedia? I think that would be a very interesting project. Prefereably running on windows, but a standalone bootable linux CD would be interesting also.
Stefan 01:15 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)
Err... maybe I'm being stupid, but the Wikipedia clock seems to be out by about 8 minutes. I'm writing this at 11:16 BST (10:16 UTC) -- Mintguy 10:09 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)
What's the recommendation for using InterWiki links? Most links to other wikis are written out in URLs - should these be changed to the appropriate InterWiki links? Should the articles about other wikis themselves use URLs, InterWiki links, or both? Geoffrey 03:31 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)
Could the Wanted pages be updated please ?
Option Request: "Move Page" in Nostalgia
Could we have the "Move this page" option available in Nostalgia skin? Maybe somewhere on the lower bar, among "Discuss this page", "Watch this page", etc. -- Menchi 12:32 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
Re: "Client-side scripting" Tim Starling above; Somehow I don't feel phased with what you said, reminded by "if it aint broke don't fix it". I'm conditioned by Prolog with its 2 instructions, Cut and Fail, and where the System-Typing is implicit in the predicate DB design. I'm trying to figure out just what (technical within Wikipedia) resources are available for building some sort of Propadeutic such as in Britannica where the Atoms of knowledge are in the Micropaedia and the Articles are topicalised in the Macropaedia. Am I right in thinking that the "icy reception" is simply the prefernce to err on the side of caution? Is it going too far to suggest that Wikipedia is merely a good Data Capture device? By the way is this the place to talk about such things? user:Jus
I split the article Head of Government as I found it be about Prime Ministers and Parliamentarism to 90%, neglecting Presidents and the Presidental system. Now, I didn't dare to make too drastical changes, so I limited myself to creating a new page: Parliamentarism, history. This motivates a few reflections:
Comments? Suggestions? Advices? Critic? Please! :-) -- Ruhrjung 07:44 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
Knowing nothing about PHP and little about Wiki, I would like to hear from one of your online experts whether it might be possible to embed a Smalltalk VM, select and run (doIT) a method (script) from within the Wiki. -- Jus
Re: "Client-side scripting" Tim Starling above; Somehow I don't feel phased with what you said, reminded by "if it aint broke don't fix it". I'm conditioned by Prolog with its 2 instructions, Cut and Fail, and where the System-Typing is implicit in the predicate DB design. I'm trying to figure out just what (technical within Wikipedia) resources are available for building some sort of Propadeutic such as in Britannica where the Atoms of knowledge are in the Micropaedia and the Articles are topicalised in the Macropaedia. Am I right in thinking that the "icy reception" is simply the prefernce to err on the side of caution? Is it going too far to suggest that Wikipedia is merely a good Data Capture device? By the way is this the place to talk about such things? user:Jus
Wikipedia makes decision by consensus-finding, which makes seems to make it conservative. If you're just making suggestions and not offering to write code, you have to get one of the developers on your side, or your suggestion will just be ignored and forgotten about. As for choice of forum, here is fine for short disscussions (i.e. not much longer than this is now) and newbie stuff. Then there's the mailing list wikipedia-l for policy discussion (which this is), wikitech-l for technical implentation (which this probably won't become but it's there just in case) and meta for longer proposals and essays. -- Tim Starling 03:34 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
I recently ran across the Timeline of U.S. economic indicators and noticed it needs a lot of work. I've listed it on Wikipedia:Pages needing attention, but it seems to have been ignored. I'm hesitant to list it on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion because this page could have some useful information, but it would require a lot of time and research. If it seems no one is willing to bring it up to date (it hasn't been touched in seven months) it seems that it should just be deleted. Any thoughts? -- Minesweeper 09:45 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
Not sure where this ought to go, but I often think when carrying on a discussion through User_talk: pages, it would be rather nice if the ~~~ sig went to the User_talk: page instead of the User: page. An even better solution might be a different combination, either more tildes, or three or four of some other character (@@@? %%%?), which would give a link to your talk page instead. Feasable? I would think so. Worthwhile? You decide, I don't do PHP. -- John Owens 07:10 May 2, 2003 (UTC) | John Owens 07:09 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
OK, this may seem kinda strange, but since I go to the school, I figure I have a right to talk about it. :) And since I have no idea how to go about fixing this, I've decided to bring it up here.
Anyway, on the Minnesota page, the "College of Saint Benedict" and "Saint John's University" are listed as two separate institutions, and link to two separate Wikipedia articles (both empty), when actually they are a joint academic institution (see http://www.csbsju.edu ) ... also, on the List of colleges and universities starting with S page, the institution is erroneously referred to as "St. John's University, College of Saint Benedict" when in actuality they are always listed in alphabetical order and spelled out in full.
HOWEVER (and here's the kicker), I'm not sure what the proper naming for the correct entry should be. The institution is normally referred to as College of Saint Benedict | Saint John's University in "official" terms (ie, the full names with a pipe character as separation), or as CSB/SJU in shorthand (ie, the abbreviations with a slash as separation). Should there be new #redirects for CSB and SJU (listed in full) that redirect to a joint page? What would the naming for the joint page be? Should the institution still be listed separately (ie, CSB on "C" and SJU on "S") with both links being the same, or should it be listed just once as a doubly-named institution (the latter of which is slightly more correct)? As you can see, I'm really confused by this ....
If someone can help me out in this, I'll be glad to start filling out the entry for this school! Thanks a bunch! -- TimmyD 07:52 May 1, 2003 (UTC)~
Has someone changed the page layout. I am now getting the underlines in the left hand menu going right accross the screen, and am unable to access the top fields. I think this was working yesterday. (using Mozilla 1.4a) -- Chris Q 07:02 May 1, 2003 (UTC)
I spent several hours uploading and inserting photographs into many, many, many articles on Saturday evening and virtually every one of them got modified. I would appreciate some explanation as to why they were modified, instead of just being slapped across the face with the back of the hand. Why should I bother trying to contribute? I'm starting to feel that this is personal. -- Zoe
Sometimes I make some edits and everyone reverts them or changes them again right away. But this is OK: I know it's only because you all hate me and are out to get me. Other times, I make some edits and no-one touches them or even reads them for months. But this is OK too, it just means that everyone is ignoring me because I am an incredibly boring and worthless person and you all hate me. And sometimes I make a bunch of edits and a few of them get changed and a few of them don't, and some people even post notes to say what nice edits they were. But this is OK, because I know that it is all just a plot by my enemies to confuse me with insincere fake praise because you all hate me. tAnNIn
(OK, now that I've had my fun, I'll make a serious comment: we all feel like that sometimes. It's part of the deal, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Just the same, I always think it is discourteous to sit on someone's hammer and follow their edits around. (Unless they are out-and-out vandals, of course.) Usually, if I find myself editing the same person's work for the third time in a row, I try to find something else to work on for a while so as not to be rude. As for yesterday's edits, I saw Zoe's name on all those uploads and edits and didn't look at them, because I figured that, whatever it was that she was doing, it would be good, positive work and I could leave those pages in her capable hands. (That's a compliment, Zoe.) Tannin 07:39 May 5, 2003 (UTC))
Thanks, Tannin. -- Zoe
Can anyone help me with a redirect problem? I'm trying to create a page for the Turk, a 19th century chess playing machine (which was actually a fraud).
Anyway, as you can see from the link above, it redirects you to info on Turkey. It would be nice to have the choice to go to either info on the turk chess playing machine or Turkey when clicking on a "Turk" link. Is this possible in a redirect?
Or does anyone think that the "Turk" page should be info only on the chess machine?
Tommertron May 4, 2003.
Vkem has been creating strange articles, see Aimo Cajander, Lauri Ingman, Väinö Tanner and Haltiatunturi. These seem to be machine-translations of some sort. For example, I compared Aimo Cajander and this Finnish website [3] (the fourth page that came up when searching on google for "Aimo Cajander"). The article looks like a word for word translation of this website. Are these copyright infringements? In any case the articles have to be rewritten to be human-understadable. -- Jniemenmaa 13:18 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
List of artists posted today by User:141.219.44.74 makes no sense. MammaBear
I'm attempting to format "years in sport". If anyone wants to look at
2003 in sports to see what I have done and suggest changes and improvements, please do. I'll wait a few days until there is an acceptable Template, then I'll start copying the format and setting up each of the past 100 years or so.
Jacques Delson
Can't believe I forgot tennis! Will add it, but the smaller sports like weightlifing etc can be in the General category. I'll set up a sample on the 2003 in sports page. Jacques Delson
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Ammunition and some linked pages contain mostly (if not entirely) info from Encyclopedia Britannica from 1911, and most is hopelessly outdated. It is very well written, though, and would possibly be better placed on a history page. I don't feel too comfortable just replacing hundreds of lines of text with what would be a stub in comparison... Comments? europrobe 10:15 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
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RE: September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack....shouldn't the article title be "September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks"? The attacks may have been orchestrated and planned together, but there were distinctively separate attacks made. Kingturtle 01:36 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)
In a well-meaning attempt to improve things, I've done something terrible to the title of the Tomaz Pisanski article. Help!! -- Paul A 05:32 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
I moved it back to Tomaz Pisanski. Further discussion on Talk:Tomaz Pisanski -- Tim Starling 06:04 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
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How come my hearts and diamonds on Most wanted Iraqi playing cards are green instead of red? Kingturtle 22:39 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
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Is there no end to the ability of I Explorer to screw up images on wiki? Because it found the images on the pages too big (which other browsers didn't), I cropped a series of images on Dublin. In safari, the new page with the cropped image shows up. Ditto with Netscape. Ditto with opera. And with camino. But as usual IE does things differently and still shows the upcropped images extra large on the page. Why isn't IE 5.2 for a Mac able to instantly update the page like everyone else? Is it just images or does it not update text too? Will it eventually update? Why the hell does anyone else that damned browser? I gave up in frustration months ago but thought it necessary to check the page using it just to make sure it was not screwing it up. And surprise, surprise, it was and is still doing it.
BTW - Netscape doesn't recognise the <small></small> command, which means captions written in small lettering and laid out as such goes haywire in netscape because it treats all lettering as the same size. Is there anyway to counteract this? ÉÍREman 21:56 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
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I've just edited closed source, replacing "he" with "they". This got me thinking. Does wiki have a policy on gender? "He" is old fahsioned and I think should be avoided in original writing. Some strange feminists think we should write "she" (I've seen this in some weird software manuals) - I think this is equally stupid. I changed to "they", which is common usage for a neutral gender case in the UK, but I understand that this is not universal? Thoughts? CGS
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I switched to the 2002 in sports page to do the setup for a template. This page could get very large unless discretion and good judgment is used but at the same time I did not want to leave any country or major event out but I'm sure I have. Please check it out before I start setting up the last 100 years. Once done, there will be much work needed to get each year up to snuff. Big job, just doing 2002 was exhausting. Volunteers? Jacques Delson
Thanks, I didn't put Tiger Woods all together because that becomes really hard work. I'm lazy, want a master template to copy and paste then beside each annual event type the winner's name. This is such a huge job I really don't think I can handle more than that. If someone else has some ideas, that would be helpful. I'll leave it a few more days so people can make changes before I start. Jacques Delson
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Automated conversion
What are "Automated conversion"? See 'em all around, but dunno what they're. -- Menchi 11:56 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
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Why is wikipedia so unbearably slow right now? Kingturtle 09:36 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
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Question: Why the distinction between (say) "[[as of 2003]]" and "as of [[2003]]"? They both link to the same page.
...no, hang on a second, I think I've got it. Pages that link to "[[as of 2003]]" are grouped together on 2003's WhatLinksHere page, so they're easier to locate and update. Is that it?
-- Paul A 01:26 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
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The below note was left on User Talk:Infrogmation:
Are we having a problem with blocking vandals on AOL without blocking other users? What is the proper procedure here? -- Infrogmation 22:54 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
A user called Daniel C. Boyer has created a page for himself on the french wikipedia. I saw he also has a page here, and saw mentionned the pump about this article, but did not find it. I would like to know exactly how much well known is that man, for he is absolutely unknown from french people, and I think his article will likely be deleted. Any advice please ? user:anthere
The current version of Daniel C. Boyer is written by me. I did this because I think if he's important enough to have several articles about his works included in Wikipedia, he should have a proper article about him in the main namespace. I made my case for this on User talk:Daniel C. Boyer. And I would say that just because he doesn't have a large French following doesn't mean he should be excluded from French Wikipedia -- although I guess that's not for me to decide. -- Tim Starling 02:56 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
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Hi
I'm trying to reduce the size of an uploaded image, anyone got experience of that. I tied to crop it in Graphic Converter offline, then up load it , but the new upload was bigger, although still a croped version of the old... help! TonyClarke 11:40 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
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KanjiReference ok?
Is this appropriate encylopedia content: KanjiReference:Index? If so, can someone explain why to easy my confusion? Is wikipedia also a foreign language textbook? -- mib 23:53 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
But so are alphabets, greek letters and so on. Anyway, There were some debates in the past. Please use Wikipedia:WikiProject Chinese characters. Thanks -- Taku 01:27 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
We don't seem to be able to Protect Image pages. Can this be done? -- Zoe
Logo Protection
Having our logo Image:Wiki.png vandalized is a great insult to Wikipedia and all of us. Why isn't that image protected? The vandal must be banned. -- Menchi 20:36 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
should B.E.A.M be BEAM? Kingturtle 07:21 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Extremely Profane User Name
Lorenzarius, kt2, and I have discovered an extremely offensive user name: user:Dewlaylomo, which explicitly means "(go) fuck your aging mother" in Cantonese, a curse equivalent to "motherfucker". Mandarin has a similarly pronounced phrase as well. So it isn't just offensive to the Cantonese-speaking, it is offensive to all Chinese, unless s/he has a particularly unfeeling numb mind. This isn't just offensive to selective sensitive people.
As Scipius discovered, this user is at least a partial vandal. S/he replaced the American national flag with a skull and bones picture. (See User talk:Dewlaylomo)
This is unacceptable, period. We have a Wikipedia:No offensive usernames policy. If this username is discovered by more Chinese, Wikipedia will be viewed as anti-Chinese. The only option is deletion of the account name. -- Menchi 22:03 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
user:Dewlaylomo, has inserted a link to uglychinese.org. IMO his name is offensive on purpose. Ericd 22:53 14 May 2003 (UTC)
I too think that this name should in some way be removed. I'd be quite surprised if I was looking through a page's history and happened upon user:(go) fuck your aging mother. I agree that it's not urgent but I think if it's possible to rename it to Dew so that Dew appears in the edit histories then this task should be added to the bottom of a developers to-do list. -- Ams80 23:19 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Extremely Profane User Name
Extremely Profane User Name
This user showed up for a week in January, didn't really contribute anything useful, and left (as most vandals do). I removed his name, and I don't expect him back. LDC
I was messing around with color on my user page, and I wanted to see if I could change the color of one of the links on my page. You see, it is a link to an internal page, but wikipedia gives it the color of an external link. I found out that it is really easy to do this in a bit of a funky way with the <font> flag.
Here is an example:
hEx MiXeR
and here is the code: [http://home.i1.net/~dwolfe/hexmixer/ <font color="FF6633">hEx MiXeR</font>
MB 19:02 15 May 2003 (UTC)
How do I find articles with the word nickname in them? When I do a search I am taken to the nickname article. I don't want that. I want to see a list of all the articles with the word nickname in them. I used to be able to do a search for word-appearances. Is the merging of the Search and Go buttons the reason why I can't do this anymore?
Being able to find word-appearances is important for editing. For example, when I made the No-Fly Zone page, I then went to each article that had the words no-fly zone, and I bracketed them to link to my new article. Kingturtle 05:49 May 12, 2003 (UTC)
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Hi all, I'm sure that a while ago I came across a page somewhere (possibly on meta) which listed landmarks for all the wikipedias, so for example when the Danish wiki reached 5000 articles it would be announced on that page. I can't find it anymore (which in some ways makes me question whether it existed in the first place...), if anyone knows where it is could they let me know? I started looking for it today because I noticed that the German wiki had passed 15,000 articles. Anyway, if it does exist I'd appreciate having my mind put at rest! Thanks in advance -- Ams80 22:59 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
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What's the current concensus regarding links from (and over-linking of) years and dates in articles? Where should I look? A Style guide?
To what degree is it adviceable to link from all occurances of a certain year, or to limit it to when deemed relevant, or the first occurence in an article, or the first occurence under a headline or a line... :-) -- Ruhrjung 05:29 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
In tables, we may want a link repeated several times, because readers do not always start at the top and read through the table, as they more likely would with prose. --
Ellmist
Sunday,
May 11th, 0
2003]
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Are there any statistics on how often Special:Randompage gets accessed? I'm trying to figure out how often each page in the 'pedia gets viewed (on average). -- Crenner 03:06 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
I think there may be a conflict when uploading a picture. I mean when someone creates a new article, and upload a picture, nothing tells him that the picture already exists and the web site doesn't ask him to confirm. I guess a confirmation should be required. Thomas 21:23 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Ryder cup -- Clue me in, please. Why is the "c" in cup not capitalized? The Ryder Cup is the legally incorporated name of the tournament, it is not a descriptive word like say, coffee. The reason I ask, is that this type of label appears in several places at Wikipedia and it is affecting links. Thanks. Jacques Delson
So, move it to Ryder Cup... I just did. -- Infrogmation 07:11 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
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Quick note: could a developer look through the history of
communist state -
this edit by Tannin seems to be in a weird state...
Martin
Nonresponsive Anon
142.59.27.250 has made some unreasonable changes. S/he separated a Chinese word arbitarily into two parts in the middle against the official convention that all characters of a word is to be written without a space in between (that represents a pause), on Kung Fu and Wushu. S/he also deleted mention of Cantonese terms, on Wushu. I have asked him/her why on the Kung Fu Talk page, but s/he did not respond. Ten minutes later, I posted a message on his Talk page. It's been over half an hour now, he still is ignoring. Although s/he has add the phrase "two word" before 功夫, seems as a response to my question. But it's wrong. 功夫 are two characters, they are collectively one word. What do we do? -- Menchi 07:29 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Why is it when I do a search for Novel I get a "Badly formed search query" result? Kingturtle 04:09 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
Is there anything in the works to make the "@" symbol work in article titles? I ask because Genome@Home and Folding@Home don't show up correct as links on distributed computing. -- Minesweeper 22:33 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
Hi, this could cause a little bit of debate... do we have a policy on images of the clitoris? The Wikipedia has just gained itself a picture of one and if you're easily offended I'd reccomend not clicking this. Have fun -- Ams80 21:29 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
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a minor problem with redirect
I noticed that when I'm redirected to another page, the usual statement "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." doesn't show up. Instead, it says "redirected from _____." Not that it's a big problem, but should I bring it to sourceforge? Tomos 21:07 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
So, I've had this problem occasionally sprout up when creating redirect pages. Basically, the redirect doesn't work, and when I try to edit to correct it, it gives me the edit page for the page that I'm trying to redirect to. How can this be created? john 03:28 May 9, 2003 (UTC)
Technical: IPA
Why is it that on IE 5, while this web site can display every single IPA letters and diacritics correctly, none of the Wikipedias can display any, except the standard 26 English letters? Something looks wrong. We should better WP. -- Menchi 07:13 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Suggestion: keep using SAMPA in markup, but provide an option to have this "translated" into IPA characters if the user chooses. -- Tarquin 08:23 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Function Request: "Move Page" in Nostalgia
Could we have the "Move this page" option available in Nostalgia skin? Maybe somewhere on the lower bar, among "Discuss this page", "Watch this page", etc. -- Menchi 12:32 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
I suggest create a wiki tag for translation without the need of create a new article in the destination language. For example, if I am in new-article and see no translation to my natural language, I could use this translation tag (i.e. [[t:languageaISObbreviation:translationA]]<nowiki>) to indicate that there is no correspondant article in the another language, but the translation of the article to the another langue is ''translationA''.
I can't get <math> to work right. Pizza Puzzle
I don't want a fraction, I want to display the above equations as <math> is supposed to display stuff; rather than as normal text. Pizza Puzzle
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Why isn't the default set to render png? Pizza Puzzle
What do we do when an article is so poorly written it might as well not be there? I'm refering to BEAM written by Workisfun. No capital letters, little punctuation, crap spelling, sentences that are all inside out and upside down. English may not be his first language, but honestly - I send mobile phone text messages that are better thought out and more formal than this. Some examples: "aestetics-obviously it has to look like something. like an ant", "anyways another way to approach this is that by using random patterns that use motor feedback", "Biology-meaning inspired by particularly bugs which uses their gates". It's too bad to just apply a few copy edits. What should we do? Cgs
I believe the Image Upload page has been disabled on the old and the new servers for about 36 hours now. Can anyone tell me when it might come back?
Thanks
Adrian Pingstone 14:59 May 15, 2003 (UTC)
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Just an announcement, I've added a Wikipedia:Standard user greeting for those who are interested. I assume this is the appropriate place for this? Are there any pages that should link to this? MB 18:50 14 May 2003 (UTC)
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WOW! SALT II is terrible! It appears to be nothing but the text of the treaty. I think a brief description of the treaty, and maybe some history would be more approriate with an extern link to the actual treaty. MB 15:12 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
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What do you do when you find entries like "kdd is french rap very good the first singer of this crew is Dadoo or dadppda and he made a new album solo very good" ( KDD) ? This is POV, and stubbish but it gives information (ok... at least now I know it's french rap). Muriel Gottrop
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I believe that Ativan is a trademark used for the drug lorazepam...but i may be wrong. If so...shouldn't the article be called Lorazepam rather than Ativan...with Ativan redirecting to Lorazepam? Kingturtle 07:32 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
should B.E.A.M be BEAM? Kingturtle 07:21 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Is it maybe time to update Wikipedia:Most_active_Wikipedians again? jaknouse 07:04 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Color me naive, but what does Bytesexual mean? Kingturtle 06:08 May 14, 2003 (UTC)
Since it's topical... There's a vote on in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (years in titles) to decide how to put years in titles. We don't have a particular standard at the moment - different articles use different options. Voting closes in one month's time: June 13 (aka 13 June). If you don't vote, you forfeit the right to bitch if you don't like the outcome! *grin* Martin
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You've heard of pages so big they can't be edited? I've found one so big it can't even be displayed, as far as I can tell. List of rock and roll albums, 156K. I don't know what's to be done with this... but paradoxically, I can edit it - I assume the HTML markup that the page generates is really big though, causing my problems viewing it. Evercat 21:49 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
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Is there any reason why you can't put a comment on a move page as you can on an page to explain briefly why you are doing it, or apologising for a move to a mispelt page title? jimfbleak 15:29 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
Talking of comments, it would also be nice to be able to embed a comment within an article page so that it showed up while editing but not while viewing. This would be useful for marking pieces of text or facts which are in fact correct even though they appear to be wrong to a casual reader. -- Derek Ross
Excellent! Can you give an example ? -- Derek Ross
Thanks, guys. That's a neat feature. -- Derek Ross
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FA Premier league, season review
Would it be worthwhile to have an article about a particular season in the English football Premier league. I'm planning to add the end of season league table, as well as a few miscellaneous highlights. For example, Arsenal F.C. losing their xx point lead, Sunderland A.F.C. having the worst season ever. etc.
Which naming format should this article use? I want to name it as a subpage of the main FA Premier league page: FA Premier league/2002-03.
Erzengel 13:09 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
The page was helpful, but there are no mentions of events spanning years yet. Usually, soccer seasons are called 2002/03 or 2002-03 (two digits). I feel inclined to follow the convention set by the Football World Cup pages, so I'm tempted to go for FA Premier league 2002-03. Erzengel 13:50 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
There is a table somewhere of the people with most edits on Wiki, so presumably there is some software counting this for each user.
Whilst I would not aspire to such heights as that table, I would be interested to know my own figures, either for total edits, new articles or both. Is there any way of finding this data, or is it information restricted to administrators? (I don't want to count all the way back through My Contributions, even if it keeps all edits. jimfbleak 12:06 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
Logo/Image Protection
Having our logo Image:Wiki.png vandalized is a great insult to Wikipedia and all of us. Why isn't that image protected? The vandal must be banned. -- Menchi 20:36 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
We don't seem to be able to Protect Image pages. Can this be done? -- Zoe
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Please block ip 203.108.4.70 for repeated vandelism. See User contributions for changes. Almost all have been vandelism.
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I get a 404 on the TeX images in Wilson's theorem. In all other pages it seems to work fine. This is on the new server. -- Arvindn 07:12 16 May 2003 (UTC)
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I hadn't realised until I saw an item above that it is possible to see other user's contribution list. This has obvious benefits for keeping track in an area of shared interest, and I can understand how to do it for a not-logged-in contributor. How can I see the list for a logged-in contributor, when I don't know the relevant number? jimfbleak 10:12 16 May 2003 (UTC)
This is really stupid, but... I posted in a talk: page regarding profanity, and now I can't find it. I know it's not the regular discussion page for
profanity.
Smack 23:57 19 May 2003 (UTC)
There's currently a (very minor) edit-war going on in the London Congestion Charge page about whether the caption on the final picture, which shows a one of the signs that indication one is leaving the charge scheme area, should read "'London Congestion Charge Zone Ends' sign", which is just a re-reading of the content of the picture, after all, or "You are now leaving the London Congestion Charge article", or some an otherwise similar wording of either. There's a vote going on on the talk page over whether it should be changed to the former from the latter after remaining as it was for many months; the primary charge against keeping the wording is that wikipedia should remain bereft of humour and human touches, as they smack of improfessionalism. Of course, the wording I've just used is somewhat POV, but we're getting tired of people editing it back and forth. Would anybody else like to weigh-in with their vote? James F. 16:49 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Does anybody know what is going on with inherently funny word? I consider myself to have decent sense of humour (I'm British after all), but this page just seems to be a list of words which someone is saying are funny. Is this just the POV of someone (someone who laughs each time he reads "sock"), or am I missing the big joke? CGS 12:27 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Nested redirect
Why is Calligrapher redirect nested... three times? -- Menchi 12:21 18 May 2003 (UTC)
I'm just wondering if there is any convention regarding the use of dates in the Julian Calendar and how they should be mentioned along with the Gregorian Calendar dates. I just did an initial draft of Tikhon of Moscow and had both dates for his death, I put them both in the parenthetical date listing at the beginning and User:Eloquence took out the Gregorian Calendar date not knowing it was an alternate date (I've now tried to make it clear and put the mention to the Julian calendar date at the end). As the Russian Empire and the early Soviet Union used these Old Style calendar dates it is often not clear which date is being used, also the O.S. dates are still used in many eastern Orthodoxy churches such as January 7 for Christmas (december 25) and January 14 as the date for the Christian religious celebration of News Year's Day. Alex756 11:20 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Regarding the news on the front page, users may click a link and ask themselves, "Why is this in the news?". IE: Why is EU in the news? I suggest that links have a "Purpose" clause. When you hover over a link, this text should be shown after the article name in the word bubble. And when you click the link the Purpose clause should also appear above the article text highlighted. Example: [ [ European_Union|EU|On April 16, 2003 the treaty of Accession was signed by the 10 new members and the 15 old ones in Athens. ] ] 24.198.144.163
When detailing Swedish subjects I have run into the problem that I don't know how or when to translate names. For example, say I want to write about Gyllene Tider which is a Swedish pop music band. Since there is AFAIK no official English translation to that name should I make up one on my own. Golden Times? Or Falukorv which is a trademark and the closest english translation I can think of is "Falu Wurst" which isnt that accurate.
help! i dove into where i shouldn't have dove. i thought it would be easy to change September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack to September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks....but there are toooooo many other pages that are effected, and I want to switch them back. Could someone do me a favor and ROLL BACK everything i did from 22:10 17 May 2003 until 22:25 17 May 2003....i would be much obliged. Kingturtle 22:48 17 May 2003 (UTC)
September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Aftermath -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Timeline September 11 -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Hijackers -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Celebrations -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Plane casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/City of New York casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Pentagon casualties -- Timeline of the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Donations -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Non-American casualties -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Back history -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Closings and Cancellations -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Footer template -- September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Memorials and services -- And that isn't even a quarter of them. I realized I was in over my head and that I'd do more harm than good over changing just one little letter. And what if I missed a few? It is too complex a set of pages. Kingturtle 09:49 18 May 2003 (UTC)
For some reason none of my emails to the list are getting through (you guys fed up with me or something? ;) So here's my ideas for the current nicknames debate:
In itself, the nickname function is fine. Lee can sign "LDC", Mav "Mav". Like many things, if it's used *responsibly* there isn't a problem.
Three options:
I'd say go with 3. -- Tarquin 14:45 17 May 2003 (UTC)
This was brought up at Talk:Main Page. It seems the article counter on the Main Page and Special:Statistics is stuck at 120701 articles. Does this have something to do with the recent webserver/database reconfiguration? -- Minesweeper 11:10 17 May 2003 (UTC)
Some articles are long enough but just plain bad, viz. French Revolution. It's short on facts, and stylistically worthy of a fifteen-year-old. There is a talk: entry calling for it to be rewritten, and detailing various and sundry problems. That entry was written no later than March, but apparently nothing substantial has been done.
Here's an idea that could force the rewriting of the article. Just delete the entire text, place a link to the article in its former state, and a note kindly asking history buffs to step forward and whip up a new article.
Is there a page which details progress so far in this project? -- 195.137.39.195 04:20 17 May 2003 (UTC)
See:
I was trying to get the alt text of an image on my user page to be the url where the original could be found, so I tried the following as the wiki link [[Image:Mbeckerhawaii1.jpg|<nowiki>http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mdb29/images/hawaii1.jpg]]</nowiki> and this is the html that the pedia shot out: <a href="/info/en/?search=Image:Mbeckerhawaii1.jpg" class='image' title="http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mdb29/images/hawaii1.jpg"><img border=0 src="/upload/b/b0/Mbeckerhawaii1.jpg" alt="3iyZiyA7iMwg5rhxP0Dcc9oTnj8qD1jm1Sfv4"></a>.
How come the alt tag for the image is "3iyZiyA7iMwg5rhxP0Dcc9oTnj8qD1jm1Sfv4"? How come what I expected to be the alt tag "
http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~mdb29/images/hawaii1.jpg" ended up being the title tag? Is this a bug?
MB 23:23 16 May 2003 (UTC)
What is the policy on blocking vandals? Why should they be unblocked? MB 22:53 16 May 2003 (UTC)
An oddity I've noticed... In the history of The Conservative Party (UK) [8] there are two edits from earlier today by User:Realpolitik; however, the link under the name "Realpolitik" is not to his/her (empty) user page, but to his/her contributions [9], as if "Realpolitik" were an anon IP address. Curiously, there are no contributions listed there, not even the edits to The Conservative Party (UK). I'm getting the "contributions" link in my watchlist as well, and saw it on Recent Changes earlier, and see it whether I'm logged in or not. Do other people see this behaviour? Can anybody explain it to me? -- rbrwr
Is there some way to automatically insert your user name and a time stamp into an article? I see people with things like lommer 04:48 16 May 2003 (UTC), and it's always the same format, so I guess there is something, but I've had a good search and I can't see any reference to such a tool. Cgs
There isn't a page titled E=mc^2 (or some variant). shouldn't there be? Are = signs not allowed in titles or is there another reason why this isn't so? -- lommer 04:48 16 May 2003 (UTC) (moved by Cgs to the bottom of the page, it was at the top for some reason)
The policy of putting new text at the bottom does seem counterintuitive. Pizza Puzzle
"=" doesn't seem to be a legal character: the PHP script says the legal characters are "-,.()' &;%!?_0-9A-Za-z\\/:\\xA0-\\xFF". We do have a nice discussion of E=mc2 at special relativity. -- Tim Starling 01:52 17 May 2003 (UTC)
Goatse.cx is going way overboard with its content. Do we really need such graphic details?
Are we going to start giving graphic details of shitfreaks.com and snuffx.com next? (NOTE: DO NOT VIEW SHITFREAKS.COM or SNUFFX.COM; they were just an example to mention for my argument). Kingturtle 04:52 20 May 2003 (UTC)
We've been through this before and I'm thinking about creating an FAQ on the subject. No matter what you think about censorship, the fact remains that if we allow our users only to filter by "adult" content / no "adult" content we already make an explicit choice about what is or isn't "appropriate" for children. Such a choice is, by definition, POV and thus unacceptable by our current NPOV policy. Some parents want their children to be kept away from sexual information, other parents think that children should have full access to all information, others again may have entirely different standards about what it is "inappropriate", e.g. articles critical of certain religions, lifestyles or governments. If we implement any filtering system, it must be a generic one that can be used to meet these different standards, not a simplistic "family filter" checkbox. -- Eloquence 22:43 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Anyone feel like writing Chelsea Flower Show, sicne it's in the news? -- Tarquin 19:22 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Move Article & Redirect
Is it true that we cannot move an article if there is an existing redirect by the desired title, even if after we deleted the redirect's content?
If so, so what do we do in this case? Often redirect actually contains a more suitable title. -- Menchi 01:37 21 May 2003 (UTC)
In IE, the link to a larger picture on International Phonetic Alphabet actually reveals a smaller picture. A page with png alone automatically shrinks the png within the constraint of the page. I use 1024 x 768, and it's still slightly small. So the popular 848 will definitely reveals something even smaller, making the "Click here for larger version" label seems like a trick! ;-p
Is there any way to get around it? -- Menchi 09:49 21 May 2003 (UTC)
If there is no limit to how offensive we can get on wikipedia, then there should be no restrictions on offensive user names. Kingturtle 00:24 21 May 2003 (UTC)
The point Kingturtle is trying to make, I think, is precisely that there is indeed "a distinction between facts presented being found offensive by some people, and gratuitously provoking offense with non-informational elements of presentation". He would agree that "the first case is defensible, as it is our mission to be informative" and he would agree that "the second case is not defensible". However, he is not such a fool as to think that any and every fact presented in an article must be there only for its ostensible purpose, which is to inform and educate. What Kingturtle is saying is that there is a difference between presenting the relevant facts in order to inform and educate on the one hand, and presention of things which happen to be factual under the pretence of "informing and educating", when in truth the clear and only purpose is to shock and/or offend.
Kingturtle brilliantly demonstrated the truth of this by writing what was essentially the same article on a different and non-offensive topic, at Microsoft.com. When we look at that same entry, shorn of it's offensive shock value, we can immediately see that its level of detail and style of presentation is inappropriate. Tannin 07:49 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Is there some sort of (meta)page that will list, instead of all recent changes, only those recent changes made by users who are not logged in? This might be an easy way to track vandalism, as it seems to me that most vandalism is caused by passersby rather than established users... with the obvious exception of "career" vandals such as Lir or Michael. -- Dante Alighieri 00:29 22 May 2003 (UTC)
I've discovered quite an annoying problem recently, concerning edits that include special characters and I'm wondering whether this is known more generally? The examples I've encountered has transcribed characters such as "Å" into "AA" and "ü" into "u:". This is thoroughly annoying, and what's worse it has also broken established links to other articles. At first I suspected merely carelessness by the individual editors, but now I'm more inclined to believe that it's some form of configuration problem on their systems. Examples include:
All these changes broke established links, but the changes has been reverted. Does anyone have more information on this, and has there been any action taken to stifle the effects of this malice? -- Mic 08:12 19 May 2003 (UTC)
On my work, where I suspect the Windows NT-version run is rather old, due to a policy of not doing unneccessary updates, I have noticed a similar phenomenon. If I, in a www-interface for e-mail similar to the wiki-interface with text-boxes, open a received letter, intending to forward it, then non-danish characters are conversed to their "&something;" equivalents on save. I.e. I don't notice it unless I make a temporary save. It's even more irritating when less usual characters (as English quotation marks or em-dashes) are converted to "&digits;". I suspect I've seen traces of the same behavior here. Is it, beside the more serious problem
User:Mic addresses, also a problem if <<Åland>> is converted to <<Åland>>?
--
Ruhrjung 09:01 19 May 2003 (UTC)
Anyone feel like writing Chelsea Flower Show, since it's in the news? -- Tarquin 19:22 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Is it true that we cannot move an article if there is an existing redirect by the desired title, even if after we deleted the redirect's content?
If so, so what do we do in this case? Often redirect actually contains a more suitable title. -- Menchi 01:37 21 May 2003 (UTC)
At absolute value, I linked the inequalities to inequality; however, doing so underlines the inequality and essentially changes the meaning of the inequality. Pizza Puzzle
Why are links underlined? Pizza Puzzle
I know this is slightly offtopic, but can someone explain what "modulus" means? I know two conflicting mathematical definitions:
I can't believe there are two seperate mathmatical definitions of the same word - are they related in some way? CGS 14:43 21 May 2003 (UTC).
I hate to be picky, but shouldn't the article titled
Linux be housed at
GNU/Linux since Linux =/= GNU/Linux? I would like to make the current Linux page a disambiguation page that points to the
Linux kernel article, and GNU/Linux. It would be something like this:
Linux is commonly used when refering to
GNU/Linux whose distributions include
Redhat Linux,
SuSe Linux, and other commmon distributions. It can also be used to refer to the
Linux Kernel.
MB 18:44 21 May 2003 (UTC)
It is not a fact that the name of the operating system is GNU\Linux, but you are presenting it as such. It's the POV of the GNU project. Why do they have the authority to dictate the offical name for this software? I think there should be a page Linux refering to the Linux operating system, and a page Linux Kernel talking just about the kernel. CGS 19:35 21 May 2003 (UTC).
Three comments/suggestions/questions:
Though I know little about the subject, from what I've heard of XML/XHTML, if it could or has been combined with wiki, interactive databases (with sortable tables, etc.) should become an easy possibility for wiki users including at wikipedia. Are there any plans in the works?
Two, for convenience sake, particularly for slightly long pages such as this one, could "edit this page" be also at the top of the page also?
Three, again, for medium sized pages--such as List of reference tables, I think anchors could be invaluable....It seems as pages get too large, people will move stuff to a new page. It is too inconvenient to have to click on new pages all the time, particularly for pages which benefit from a bird's eye view.
Thanks! - Brettz9 19:46 24 May 2003 (UTC)~
Since no one responded before, I'll ask again. Is there some sort of (meta)page that will list, instead of all recent changes, only those recent changes made by users who are not logged in? This might be an easy way to track vandalism, as it seems to me that most vandalism is caused by passersby rather than established users... with the obvious exception of "career" vandals such as Lir or Michael. I'm thinking a DDQ would probably do it, but I'm new to such fancy-shmancy type stuff. Any help would be appreciated. -- Dante Alighieri 08:32 23 May 2003 (UTC)
I submitted this exact idea to the Sourceforge feature request tracker months ago, and I also pointed out that it would only take a few lines of PHP code to implement. Preferably the option would be hidden to the "anonymous" users themselves -- if it was displayed in full view on RC, it would encourage vandals to log in. -- Tim Starling 05:23 24 May 2003 (UTC)
If anybody is wondering what I was doing vandalising soid, I'm afraid it was a girl friend. I assure you that she has been punished. CGS 17:20 25 May 2003 (UTC).
I posted this on J.Hoffman Kemps page and on the List of French monarchs discussion page. This person has kept up her nonsense for a long time, driving several users away. Whatever her agenda, someone has to put an end to it, because despite polite, then stern warnings about her conduct, this man or woman going by the user name of J. Hoffman Kemp ignores everything. It is vandalism to delete facts because they disprove what are unfounded theories that smell of racism and I certainly do not to continue to work at this website if this kind of behavior is allowed to continue.
Well, it's too bad that somehow someone called J Hoffman Kemp has Administratibve powers to delete peoples work and others do nothing about her vanadalism. I came here to contribute, but not to spend my time to argue with someone who posts opinions and POV articles and has the audacity to inform Wikipedia in an article that SHE will allow the Carolingians on the list of French monarchs. This makes a joke out of Wikipedia. So, I say goodbye, and thank User:AntonioMartin for his valued help. Jacques Delson 23:16 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Is there a way for me to merge the contributions I made when I first started out at the wiki, while I was at work 139.85.23.43, to my contributions page? MB 02:59 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Hey, cool. Can you merge 144.137.254.230's edit into my edit history? It was just the once, but knowing it's there and not marked as mine has been slowly eating away at my sanity... :) -- Paul A 07:26 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Is the image on Mario_(Nintendo_character) a copyright violation? MB 02:43 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Someone needs to delete Theravada and move Theravada Buddhism there so that the edit history will be preserved. Mkweise 01:14 22 May 2003 (UTC) DONE - Tannin
hi everybody....i don't have really a question but i dont know where to put this else.... i have a little idea, perhaps you know www.babylon.com, its a translater software with MANY other dictionaries, also encyclopedias. everybody can make its own dictionary ( http://www.babylon.com/display.php?id=15&tree=3&level=2) so why can't anybody build a little tool to put the wikipedia material into the right format for babylon?? the great thing is that many babylon have many users an all the wiki links in topics page will lead directly into the wikipedia article (if formated as a web link)....sorry my english is very bad, and please shift this idea to the right place (but leave a message here for me please) its only an idea....ok....thnx for reading this (posted by User:Esteban Franz Tichy)
Nearly every page in Wikipedia has a Talk page, with a 'Discuss this page' link at the bottom of the associated article. Several pages do not, mainly the Special pages, which are mostly dynamically generated (or dynamically generated into a static page).
Is there a talk page to discuss the Special pages? For example, what wording should go on them (the contents of several of them are not really explained very well), what their contents should actually be, etc. -- Nanobug 21 May 2003
Sysop
I am really sorry to insist, but I would be very pleased if someone took the time to explain to me that oddity.{...}
Anthere
In IE, the link to a larger picture on International Phonetic Alphabet actually reveals a smaller picture. A page with png alone automatically shrinks the png within the constraint of the page. I use 1024 x 768, and it's still slightly small. So the popular 848 will definitely reveals something even smaller, making the "Click here for larger version" label seems like a trick! ;-p
Is there any way to get around it? -- Menchi 09:49 21 May 2003 (UTC)
I have a 1881 book called The Young Folks' Cyclopedia of Persons and Places by John D. Champlin, Jr. It was published by Henry Holt and Company, NY. What is the copyright status of something like this? Would I be able lift portions into wikiarticles, the way we can with 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica? Kingturtle 05:50 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Long discussion of shock sites moved to Talk:Shock site by me, Tannin 10:21 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Could someone that knows something about quantum mechanics or such take a look at the contributions of User:Stupidmoron? I don't know anything about this subject, but the first change this user made had the comment "some vandalism." As far as I can tell, the information is on valid subjects, but I can't tell if the information is valid. MB
I've noticed that a few times when I am editing a text in the editing Wikipedia browswer window that the page would get saved inadvertently — probably by hitting the enter key on my numberpad — though I think it happened otherwise and I haven't figured out why. I was wondering — why does it default to the save page (that seems to be highlighted when I open an editing page) rather than the Show Preview button? Wouldn't it make sense to highlight the preview button, either for these accidents or to prevent people from uploading minor edits by default when they should be previewing their pages until they get them right? — Alex756 12:15 20 May 2003 (UTC)
I'm planning to include one or two tables but, as I'm not very good at that sort of thing, I don't know exactly how to go about it. In particular, I'd need headings not just for the columns (i e at the top of the table) but also on the left-hand side for each row. I had a look at false friend and cover version, but there the left-hand column I'm talking about is missing. Can anybody refer me to instructions on how to do it or a similar table which I could then copy and adapt? Thanks in advance, -- KF 12:34 19 May 2003 (UTC)
Please see Image talk:Philadelphia.jpg. Is the copyright requirement at http://openphoto.net/doc/html/license.html in concert with the GNU Free Documentation License? - Zoe 01:45 19 May 2003 (UTC)
The words infamous is not NPOV. I am considering removing usage of the word in wikipedia, and sometimes replacing it with a more NPOV word (except in cases of fictitious accounts, which I will leave alone).
It is going to take some thought to get the sentences right, but the word infamous is overused and not NPOV. However, before I even set out on the project, I wanted to get some other opinions. Am I just over reacting? Am I not seeing the value of the word? Can the word be NPOV? Kingturtle 19:46 18 May 2003 (UTC)
I have created an article for "Live free or die" - the delightfully quirky state motto of New Hampshire. The question is: Should the title have quotation marks in it?
I didn't put them in because it seemed weird, but since the title refers to the words as words rather than their meaning, maybe they should be there. I can't find other article titles that are phrases to act as guidelines, although that's probably just due to lack of imagination on my part. Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks 15:04 27 May 2003 (UTC)
I have a strategic question regarding the use of <i>...</i> as opposed to ''...''. I know that <i>...</i> has been deprecated, but it is endorsed by How to edit a page. If I'm writing a foreign-language expression (i.e. sine qua non, or something in Elvish), I want it to be italicized, as convention dictates, not just emphasized. I'm afraid that non-italics-supporting browsers would use a contra-conventional mode of formatting, thus obviating the reason why italics were deprecated in the first place. I'm bringing this up because I've been copyedited at least once after using <i>...</i>. Smack 05:50 30 May 2003 (UTC)
Why do you think I can't criticise you unless I'm a sysop, and why did you complain about Evercat's English, when your's is worse? CGS 14:02 30 May 2003 (UTC).
Quote Viking (I think in this mess): "if you are interested and capable: read the German or Dutch sites of our project, those correspond to the laws (which is much more liberal, even in Germany)" -- Where on earth did you get the idea that an American based company who offers a page in the German language must conform to the laws of the country of Germany. Was that from paragraph 3(a) from the California Civil Code of Gilbert? Triton
Viking, no matter who they are, is clearly a vandal, and a troll. Just look at thier original contribution to
fisting. They replaced the entire article with:
Fisting is also a gesture by a
viking, forming the hand into a
fist.
it can be used as a friendly but fast signal to show that there are limits for a decent
encyclopedia if it wants to be used and endorsed by
schools, universities and parents
and then continued to delete the article, and other articles, after being reverted.
In addition, Viking harased other users multiple times. I think this account should be banned.
MB 18:27 30 May 2003 (UTC)
User:Viking has been censoring articles because she/he thinks that they are illegal under US pornography laws. I asked him about this, and she/he basically said don't challenge me - I'm a sysop. Another user challenged her/him about this, and Viking took the piss out of the user's English. See the talk page. Looking back over the page, she/he seems to do this a lot, and has a bit of a snobbery problem. CGS 13:16 30 May 2003 (UTC).
Viking's claims to be a sysop under a different account are highly implausible, given this user's behaviour. He or she is just a troll. Evercat 13:21 30 May 2003 (UTC) ---
Why do you think I can't criticise you unless I'm a sysop, and why did you complain about Evercat's English, when your's is worse? CGS 14:02 30 May 2003 (UTC).
Quote Viking (I think in this mess): "if you are interested and capable: read the German or Dutch sites of our project, those correspond to the laws (which is much more liberal, even in Germany)" -- Where on earth did you get the idea that an American based company who offers a page in the German language must conform to the laws of the country of Germany. Was that from paragraph 3(a) from the California Civil Code of Gilbert? Triton
Triton: (sorry we can not address you better, you have no user page) allow us to answer to your brought up question: We meant of course the USA law - sorry about the confusion on your side - and if it is within the USA law it is within the German law, which is broader (opener) in respect to pornography - sorry about our language Viking 14:49 30 May 2003 (UTC)
Discussion of User:Viking has been moved to User talk:Viking/ban.
Damn, looks like I missed all the fun/excitement last night/tonight, however you look at it. -- John Owens 11:07 24 May 2003 (UTC)
More like annoyance heh -- Poor Yorick
Something to be a bit concerned about: 66.13.172.18 has created a non-NPOV article titled Hacker community. It needs serious revision. While looking over her/his other contributions, I noticed other non-NPOV articles Richard Stallman, Hacker. We need to do something about these 3 articles. Should we delete Hacker community since it is just some guy ranting? MB 01:52 24 May 2003 (UTC)
Following the link on Taiping Rebellion, I created a page on its leader, "Hong Xiuquan." But for some reason, while the title on the page says "Hong Xiuquan", the status bar says "Hong Xiu-qun", and the URL says [[Hong_Xiu%ADquan]]. It apparently is neither Hong Xiuquan or Hong Xiu-quan.
But how can this be? In the editing field of Taiping Rebellion, it expliciyly spells the name without any weird hyphen.
I tried to move [[Hong_Xiu%ADquan]] to Hong Xiuquan, its proper spelling, but it says that the title already exists. -- Menchi 09:01 23 May 2003 (UTC)
How many images are too many? I've only ever seen one image. I wanted to add the famous picture of the soldier shot in the head to the Spanish Civil War page, as well as a typical propaganda poster of the times. wji 0000 EDT 23 May 2002
Is there any way of ftp-ing to Wikipedia, so as to be able to save specific pages quicker? Thanks in advance... -- thehumanchimp
It came to my attention today that all of the data in the Broomfield County, Colorado article was actually data for Boulder County, Colorado. This makes me question the accuracy of the bots that have been used to load location data. How many other articles about locations have misdirected data? Kingturtle 22:40 24 May 2003 (UTC)
When looking at random pages in Wiki I've found many many pages on small towns and cities in the US. Where are all of these coming from? CGS 21:50 24 May 2003 (UTC).
Some wikipedians have drawn up discussions on proper Wikipedia format of the Name of Emperors at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). Any comment, especially from points of view in English language, is welcomed before a generally agreed format is decided by poll. thanx kt2 22:08 25 May 2003
If anybody is wondering what I was doing vandalising solid, I'm afraid it was a girl friend. I assure you that she has been punished. CGS 17:20 25 May 2003 (UTC).
I've seen a few people adding language links when there is no corresponding page in that language. I imagine they see links like {{de:foo}} in the page source, and think we are simply tying to list the translations of the page name. It's obviously not malicious. But we need two things:
Image Use
I'd like to use this picture for my old article
Silkworm missile.
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/irfna/fig6.htm
It's from a US military, therefore a government, site about gulf war sickn.. oops.. gulf war illness.
I was wondering if it was fair use or what? Tristanb 06:49 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Oops :-) too late, i'll crop convert it to JPG now. Pity they started with a gif eh! Thanks Tristanb 07:20 25 May 2003 (UTC)
What's the prefix for Project Sourceberg (ps.wikipedia.org, meta:Project Sourceberg)? Our own fulltext of The Raven would be better than a link to a non-Wikipedia site, but [[ps:The Raven]] just disappears: "", and the actual URL for Sourceberg is not optimal. On a side note, I noticed that a link to any language code not set up disappears: I was earlier today trying to convert a wikipedia.org URL on the Internet-Encyclopedia (which uses Wikipedia3 software) to an en: link, but it simply displayed blank. So do we need the Pashto language configured to get minimal Sourceberg support? -- Geoffrey 04:35 25 May 2003 (UTC)
Two comments/suggestions/questions:
Though I know little about the subject, from what I've heard of XML/XHTML, if it could or has been combined with wiki, interactive databases (with sortable tables, etc.) should become an easy possibility for wiki users including at wikipedia. Are there any plans in the works (for wikipedia or in wiki projects in general)?
Two again, for medium sized pages--such as List of reference tables, I think anchors could be invaluable....It seems as pages get too large, people will move stuff to a new page. It is too inconvenient to have to click on new pages all the time, particularly for pages which benefit from a bird's eye view.
Thanks! - Brettz9 19:47 24 May 2003 (UTC)~
users as HTML or aliases on wikipages, but I'm curious how the structure XML seems to provide could be harnessed.
If wikipedia is using a database to keep the pages here, does that mean it is conceivable that the anchor issue could be resolved by allowing users to choose--if they wish--to load multiple pages at once (i.e., by treating each page as a record and then requesting multiple records)? If this is possible, it would seem that pages could be kept short, but also combined by a user. It might be complicated for editing though, I imagine, if it is at all possible.
If it is using a database, I also wonder whether people could collaboritively add new or edit existing categories for individual pages. This would prevent a lot of duplication of effort (as well as make connections people might otherwise miss), as I see it, as pages could simply be called up by their categories rather than being a jungle of links. It is nice to have the latter option perhaps also (i.e., to collaboritively make a page of reference links), but it seems a lot of this could be done more smoothly by a collaboritive and queriable database. Thank you... - Brettz9 18:27 25 May 2003 (UTC)
And one more question if anybody knows...Is there some way that people may be able to perform "find" operations on text inside an edit box (without cut-and-pasting it to another document). It seems it could save some time.