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Hey All,
Thus of us at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports have created an infobox for the various airport pages. Please head to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airports/infobox for look and the various test pages it has been rolled out to. Then join the discussion about it. Don't be shy about how you feel about it. Burgundavia 10:26, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to request page protection for Phil Gingrey, which has been involved in a multiple-day edit war, in order to force discussion at Talk:Phil Gingrey/proposed version. A rollback before protection would be nice, to remove POV, but I'll take what I can get. [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 15:32, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There seems not to be any standard regarding the terminology of what I would prefer to call "Further reading" at the foot of articles. At the moment, there is a wide variety of headings in use.
Secondly, there are many (especially history/biography related articles) incorporating 1911 Britannica text which have also incorporated wholesale the 1911 bibiography. With the exception of primary sources (which should be separately noticed and headed), I think these should be removed.
And thirdly, many contributors use headings conflatable with "Further reading" etc, usually headed "References" to note the publications from which they derive the information. These, I think, ought to be the province of numbered footnotes.
Whatever may be decided, I do think that a degree of standardisation is advisable. Djnjwd 22:58, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
X is Y <ref>Z - How X is Y (1996), ISBN 0123456789</ref>, P isn't Q <ref>W - How P isn't Q (1997), ISBN 9876543210</ref>
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Cite sources.
There's a specific article on the man now ( Kim Sun-il)--shouldn't the main page and current events links go directly to the article now, instead of to a section of another article?
Someone else wrote it--I went in and cleaned it up a bit and wikified it a bit. It could use a lot more work, but that doesn't seem like a reason not to link there, since there's no more information in the Human rights situation in post-Saddam Iraq article.
A few burgers, and a donut. A coffee, a small coke. And yes I'd like fries with that... (sorry--Couldn't resist...this won't happen again [or for a long time]) Ilyanep 01:59, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There's getting to be a slight Wikipedia:Cleanup crisis, not least because the many hundreds of wretched articles uncovered by User:Topbanana/Reports such as User:Topbanana/Reports/This page contains no links are coming to the surface and being added to Wikipedia:Cleanup probably faster than they're being cleared up. All additional contributions to the cleanup and removal from Wikipedia:Cleanup of items which have been sorted, is most humbly sought. (It's okay - only handsfull are being added; most are sorted out without recourse to a cleanup listing.) -- Tagishsimon
OK, what's going on? Every time I click on a [hist] link I get:
contents of history page deleted
Rick K 05:36, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
Currently I am running an update query to move the history from Mmmttt to here. Please do not delete this page or move Mmmttt to random locations like Village pump/Temp. If you are having trouble repairing page move vandalism due to a large history or a large number of incoming links, fix it using a cut-and-paste move and then report the problem. -- Tim Starling 02:55, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to invite comment, ideas and discussion here Wikipedia talk:Policies and guidelines, thanks, Mark Richards 02:49, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is it just my computer or what ? How come after the move to here (Wikipedia:Village pump/Temp) all the lowercase 'u's on this page have been converted to 'h's ???? -- PFHLai 23:10, 2004 Jun 16 (UTC)
Please comment on: NPOV#Criticism_and_Alternative_views: Should all articles include criticism sections? Should no articles contain criticism sections? Where is the line between "Criticism" and "Alternative views"?
For example, no example stays uncontested long enough to list here.
Criticism and alternative views should follow the introduction and main discussion of the article.
Where along this spectrum do you wish Wikipedia articles to lie? Hyacinth 19:18, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Does H2O turn out correctly as water in your browser, or does it look more like H-squared O ?
My Mozilla 1.7 browser displays it as H-squared O !!
I can only suppose that others have noticed this too, but mention it here just in case...
Humanist 14:39, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
im new here and if you see this article please tell me
Recently, an ambitious and surely well-intending Helsinki-editor has made a couple of changes [3] to articles related to Finland's history. There are some examples of practices which I think is not quite optimal at Wikipedia, including cut-and-paste instead of using the move-feature, and some examples of changes that may be considered sensitive. However, Wikipedia does literally ask newcommers to be bold in their editing, and so this editor has been.
One of this editor's ambitions seems to be the purification of Finland's history from dishonourable traces of foreign supremacy through the exchange of Swedish spellings for Finnish spellings of phenomena from the times (before 1892 that is) when Swedish was the preeminent language. That question has parallells in the long strife over the use of the name Danzig in historical contexts. I do not expect such an issue to give reason to much of conflicts here, since the number of emotionally involved writers with Swedish and Finnish mothertongue at Wikipedia is far too limited, but I guess our ambition is some kind of consistency within Wikipedia.
I would wish that someone with more experience of Wikipedia editing, than I have, could take a look. Preferably someone with administrator privileges. Why that? For two reasons. First of all since one possible outcome would be a total roll-back of this contributor's edits, including some possible deletions. I do not say that this is the expected outcome, but that posibility will colour any exchange of thoughts with the editor in question, regardless of how much of wikiquette and wikilove is put in. The other reason is that newcomers most probably expect a more meassured behaviour from someone in responsible position.
Maybe a discussion with someone neither Finnish, nor Swedish or Russian, would give the contributor the right impression of the idea behind an English-language Wikipedia. As far as possible, one would wish not to import century-long strifes with nationalist undertones into Wikipedia.
So, now to my question: How do I come in contact with currently active and present administrators? / Tuomas 12:49, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
You know how sometimes you go into a room and then forget why you've gone there? Well, I've just done that coming to the Village Pump. I had a question to ask but I'm damned if I can remember what it was... It must be the psychological blow struck by England's %&*£ing defeat just now in Euro 2004. -- bodnotbod 22:26, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
I just had the opportunity to refer someone to the lovely Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial. Couple of questions, though--
Thanks! Elf | Talk 20:56, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I wanted to know why the access times recently are sooooo slooooowwwww... It is almost impossible to normally use the Wikipedia. Maybe some kind of traffiking monitoring should be done - such as limiting the amount of users currently connecting (or ideally increase bandwidth dah...) ( Ivenger)
THIS MEANS PLEASE DONATE, IF YOU CAN. -- blankfaze | ?? 12:24, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I spent most of this morning trying to post Doggystyle Records to Cleanup, but I kept getting an error page that was title "Spam protection filter" and kept telling me that I wasn't allowed to post Spam to Wikipedia. It WOULD NOT let me add it. So I came here to post my problem, and it wouldn't let me post it here! And now, the problem seems to have gone away. What's going on? Rick K 05:13, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you in advance. ;)
Neutrality 04:00, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I started new page recently named stdio.h and it does not exist anymore. Why? Joakim 18:57, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi. On reflection I may have been a little over-zealous on speedy-deleting this article. At first glance it looked just like a copy of the include file. I meant to post something on Joakim's talk page, but I didn't get to it. If you try again I promise to give it a chance. DJ Clayworth 16:18, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I reverted vandalism on Free content after seeing an IP user go past on Special:RecentChanges to the last known good version, but now the History page doesn't include the version I was removing (a single line slogan about Greece) and it looks like I'm accusing a genuine user of vandalism. What gives? SkArcher 16:31, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This sounds like the same problem that is reported on japanese wikipedia. It is always the edit(s) before the latest. And one person on IRC #wikimedia said this is perhaps because of the lag between the two databases. Suda, our main database server receives all the edits and record them. Ariel, secondary database server, sends data for browsing requests. And Ariel is not keeping up with Suda all the time up to the second. Even if you do not do anything, the appropriate history info will come eventually, and that is because those data are sent from Suda to Ariel, if I understand it correct. Tomos 21:06, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
In my quest to correctly alphasort [[Category:Science fiction novels]], I found something very strange when editing The Time Ships. After doing my minor changes, when clicking "Show preview" I got to see the contents of the article about David Koresh (!) in the middle of the Time Ships article. This is also visible after I saved the article. Even stranger: when I press "edit this page" to sort out this hopefully-one-instance trouble, I only see the non-Koresh'ed article source. Anyone have a clue to what this is all about??? -- Wernher 23:53, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I noticed the last few front page feature articles needed help with their captions, so I wrote Wikipedia:Captions. Please take a look and do that Wiki thing. -- ke4roh 23:50, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I had an idea I'd quite like to write up an article with people's stated experience of how they actually feel when suffering from clinical depression. Now, I envisage it being too long to go on the article page (I don't want to unbalance the article). So, I know the first answer in such cases is "stick it on the talk page". Well, yeah, but that's kind of unsatisfying (but, you know, if that's the consensus).
I could set it up as a separate article, but then I really don't think that people would agree to that (please tell me if I'm wrong) - but it feels very unencyclopaedic. (And think of the precedent I'm setting, next it will be "My gout hell" on VfD).
Another option would be to simply have a sub-category of external links pointing to the web articles that I'd be quoting from in any case - but I'm quite drawn to producing a single document rather than a bulleted list which might contain lots of info I'm not particularly drawn to - I like the idea of writing this up , so...
My preferred option would be to produce a personal user sub-page and then link to it from the article, but I have absolutely no idea of the etiquette involved there (anyone got a link?).
Thoughts, opinions, whatever...? -- bodnotbod 20:03, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
The text could then be reduced to a set of assertions and observations about depression. These could then be corroborated (using other noted testimonies and other kinds of suitable evidence) and incorporated into the article. Mr. Jones 12:33, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is wikipedia currently generating RSS or Atom feeds for watchlists? If so, what's the URL syntax for subscribing? If not, this would be a wonderful feature.
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view. —Steven G. Johnson 22:11, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
Want a gmail account, have nothing better to do? Try the contest. Quick in the draw 00:57, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I was inspired by the above to offer Gmail invites to people willing to clean up the Wikipedia:Copyright problems page. See Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Gmail.21. Angela . 01:36, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I suppose I better explain my multiple creations, deletions, edits, changes, protections and manipulations of various subpages of mine and possible pollution of Recent Changes--- I was re-organizing my user page...so sorry if I caused any inconvinience. Ilyanep (Talk) 22:23, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia allowed to come up with new terms and assign meanings to it ? Or is an encylocpedia only supposed to reflect the world around it ? The word in context is Autagonist, a term that was created after a brainstorming discussion on Wikipedia:Reference desk#Literary Technique, to explain a literary technique that seems to have no name as yet. The word cannot be found in dictionaries (though Google says its a vague term used in Chemistry). Jay 10:12, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I guess this comes under Wikipedia:No original research. I've added a bit about primary research in the Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not page. Jay 10:51, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There is not currently a community consensus on what constitutes a featured article. The only relevant policy appears to be what is a featured article, which was written by one contributor and has not been reviewed or discussed to any significant extent. I have attempted to start such a discussion on Wikipedia talk:what is a featured article. Comments from the community would be appreciated. Isomorphic 04:27, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone direct me to a page on WP that can help me with editing the monobook.css file ( User:Ilyanep/monobook.css)? I want to make all external links light green, and visited external dark green (the old revision of Red Link gave a good idea) but keep other links the same...I also want to see what other things I can customize. Thanks Ilyanep 22:10, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I have posted a question at Wikipedia_talk:Protection_policy on this topic. Elf | Talk 19:07, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
For my own personal use, I use the "Nostalgia" settings.
If you want to see a problem it has, go to Computer numbering formats. The Chinese version of that page looks, if anything, worse.
Why was this new skin invented, anyway? Was something wrong with the old skin? Does the new skin look more "professional"?
--Juuitchan
Need to be merged. Thanks. God bless! Antonio Irreverence Martin
A "redesign" seems to have happened since yesterday, the most frustrating element of which is that when the search is unsuccessful we now get:
"Try the Google or Yahoo! searches below"
... but the Google and Yahoo search options are no longer there! Surely some mistake? --
Picapica 21:16, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Cite sources. —Steven G. Johnson 01:30, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)
has anybody the wikipedia logo in high res, or can tell me where to download it? At Computer Sciences Corporation we are working on a research report and want to include the logo. We already have the approval, but unfortunately not the logo :-)
I have a question in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places) for anyone who knows Arabic / is familiar with Arab countries. Thanks to all in advance. -- ran 09:07, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
Would it be possible to have some sort of Post-It/ Sticky feature that would allow all registered contributors to leave notes on the article page (such as "Bibliography Missing for Article, Please Add") that would only be visible to other contributors, instead of visiting readers? -- Simonides 03:35, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is the place or method to report this, and I am sorry if I'm mistaken, but I'm afraid the article on Germany has been vandalized.
When I open the article on IE, the normal page appears. However, using Mozilla Firefox I see the vandalized version of the article in which the German flag has been replaced by the Nazi Swastika and the coat of arms by the Nazi Eagle insignia. Parts of the article's content have been vandalized as well.
I've taken screenshots of this:
Germany article as seen on Internet Explorer
Germany article as seen on Mozilla Firefox
However, a friend told she sees the vandalized article even using IE.
I do now know how to solve this, but I guess the code or something has been modified as I see the problematic page with Firefox but not with Internet Explorer.
Papa Lemming 03:08, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
On my draft Guide intro ([ [5]]), when I Preview, Wikipedia correctly shows as a "visited" link. However, when I save and view the page, it shows as a "red-link", and links to the Edit page for the article. Any ideas? Is it just some obscure bug? Niteowlneils 20:38, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Someone, presumably with the intent of an Interwiki link, has added [[zh-cn:法国大革命]] to the article French Revolution. I believe "zh" is Chinese. "zh-cn" means nothing to me, but I hesitate to simply delete. Does anyone know what is going on here? -- Jmabel 00:51, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)
{I am posting this at Meelar's suggestion, to get a more responsive audience, though some of it's already appeared at the Help Desk.}
Simonides 19:00, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone put the UTC Timeclock to on side so when we see messages that the server will be down from this time to next time, We have a UTC clock ticking to show us the time? This would be a nice addition. How about the UTC time clock under the search box? WHEELER 14:00, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Coordinated Universal Time has a clock. You must be logged in to get the correct time. If you are not, you will get a cached copy.
Paul Studier 00:12, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)
I take it back. Even when logged in, this clock is not always updated, even if one does a ctrl-F5 in Microsoft Internet Explorer. Best is to use http://time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java. Paul Studier 00:27, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)
Personally, I just type
TZ=utc date
or (csh)
env TZ=utc date
but it's obvious what my bias is. 8-P -- ssd 14:39, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The symbol of Wikisource on the Main Page (bottom right), a bluish image, has been disturbing my peace since a while. Anyone knows what it is or what it attempts to imply. Is it a photograph or painting ? Jay 13:21, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
File:Wikisource newlogo.png
--
VampWillow 16:10, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Today's Calvin and Hobbes has Calvin running up to his mother and asking, "Can I have the car keys?" His mother answers, "No." Calvin sprints off and returns with a book and a disappointed expression, saying, "Can you believe the encyclopedia doesn't have an entry for hotwire?"
So, I thought to myself, I wonder if my encyclopedia actaully does. The answer was, "Yes, but not by enough." Hotwire is just a dictionary definition! Could someone who knows how to steal cars please take care of this? :) -- कुक्कुरोवाच| Talk‽ 20:33, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This is a list of discussions that have been summarised and moved to an appropriate place. This list gets deleted occasionally to make room for newer entries. Please note that all comments relating to the new software have been moved to Wikipedia:Mediawiki 1.3 and all comments regarding categorisation to Wikipedia talk:Categorization.
A user calling himself User:I'm not User:Michael has appeared. Can he be blocked? Should his edits be reverted? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 17:57, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Besides the frustration of my experiment with calling a parameterized template from inside a template, my day is burdened by the time wasted trying to get around my client-side caching to be sure about the current appearance of the affected pages. That was a waste, bcz it would seem that the server is caching the rendering of templating-using pages, until those pages are edited again. (Even tho the change to the template changes the proper rendering.) Is this acceptable, in light of reversal of bad edits becoming ineffective? Is anyone working on it? Am i being a jerk if i just stop trying to make changes to existing templates, lest a typo break all the pages concerned for i-dunno-how-long? -- Jerzy (t) 15:42, 2004 Jun 29 (UTC)
I receive timeout errors when I try to update both Template:opentask and Wikipedia:Community portal. Previewing works as expected. Can somebody look at this? [[User:Poccil|Poccil ( Talk)]] 02:10, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
How does community portal get updated? The same pages have been listed in e.g. the copy edit section for weeks, in spite of significant clean up. Tom 00:48, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
User:69.19.254.16 has made a series of edits to a number of pages (and is still editing as I type), in all cases adding links to www.paperlessarchives.com - a site that sells CD archived copies of papers from historical periods. There isn't any actual content there of relevance, but the content for sale is relevant - To delete or not to delete? List of contributions is [6] P.S. oops, forgot to sign entry SkArcher 23:35, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
How can I get permission to use a copyrighted material if the company is no longer in business? I wrote a company for permission to use material and they have not been there for 15 years and there is nothing on the web. I am looking for J. M. Dent & Sons of London. How do I go about getting permission or must I wait 90 years? WHEELER 22:13, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I edit in one window and monitor Recent Changes in the other, and when my change shows up in the Recent Changes, I know it's taken, because the window I'm editing in NEVER returns back a completed save. Rick K 06:25, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)
Please vote. Thanks :)
Just spent the last half an hour trying to fix the complete duplication of this page, was having major problems. I finally gave up just now.
'Show preview' worked fine, but on trying to hit 'Save page', the resultant edit did not go through. The link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump&action=submit loads up as a blank page. Any hints as to what's causing it/what to do? I have submitted a SourceForge bug report, but wanted to check if anyone here knew what was happening. -- Michael Warren 19:15, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Could anyone responsible for uploading U.S. Census data please see Talk:Hispanic at "Disambiguation in census data". m.e. 08:14, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It'll be great if you can do something about this, Docu. There's Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Counties, but I'm not sure if this is part of their scopes. It was pretty much Ram-Man doing his thing...A note won't hurt though.
We have two options - change all the racial links to point to Race (U.S. Census), as Rambot was partly through doing, or change [[Asia|Asian]] to [[Asian American|Asian]] and [[Hispanic]] to [[Hispanic American|Hispanic]]. I personally think that the former may be slightly confusing. I think we should do the latter and make sure Race (U.S. Census) has a place in the individual Race articles. -- Jia ng 16:56, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hey there. I don't know what, if anything, can be done about this problem, but I thought people might be interested. There seems to be an increasing case of people using data harvested from the WP, probably database dumps, to create link spamming pages.
For those who don't know about this, it is a way to trick Google and other search engines by creating hundreds or even thousands of junk pages at a time across multiple domains which link to each other. These pages then redirect to whatever advertising or affiliate programs the link spammer is involved with, and generate revenue for the spammer at the cost of damaging the search engines and wasting people's time.
My reason for writing this was that I discovered a site constructed entirely around link spamming using WP's database. It rated 3rd when I searched for my own nick on microsoft's new search engine demo earlier today [7]. The actual url of the site is www dot erdmond dot com, but I encourage people not to visit the site, since it will only redirect you to Amazon, and earn money for the spammer with the affiliation program.
The end result of this kind of behaviour will be for the spammers to damage Wikipedia's ratings and reputation with this behaviour. I doubt there is a lot we can do to stop this. I personally find it very annoying that parasites like this can use the WP community's hard work for their own reward in such a destructive fashion. My apologies if this has already been discussed somewhere else :) akaDruid 11:05, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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The merged history looks plausible (the new article's edit most recent and the old one's edits less recent) but the older versions are inaccessible, producing the messages
and
Yes, i know how stupid it is to believe what i did broke the system, but i do, especially since User:Jerzy/Editing Space, inspected soon after, has a Saddam courtroom stills that must be under 24 hours old, along with Sandbox stuff, and these can't be explained by the history of the page. Hmmm. I'm going to log off and see if that affects anything.
Oh, it says "ask an admin". Embarassing, since i asserted making me an admin should reduce the burden of my requests to other admins. But i couldn't have gotten into this trouble except as an admin. Hmmm.
--
Jerzy
(t) 05:32, 2004 Jul 2 (UTC)
Thank you both. It was indeed temporary, tho clearing my cache, logging off, and rebooting did not fix it, and 8 hours later, i had to force another reload of the history page to see that the versions were good, and that the Bemdji State University versions now show up in the merged history. I would say that what happened is that i was served a version of the history that was out of date, from either before the deletion or between it and the undeletion, since the 7-digit ids that appear in the URL of the version diffs are different from the "oldid"s (and higher and consecutive, obviously reassigned at undelete time, but not reflected in the error msg).
I've now calmed down enough to whole-heartedly admit that "it's not about me" (i.e, abt my account or session), although i did experience this soon (a day?) after beginning to experience the fault of many pages' persistantly non-updated transclusions of {{Index only}}. (It occurred to me yesterday that there was an eventually useful edit that i could now apply to all the pages that call it, so the problem is now masked in that case.)
Now, about that picture of Saddam: No reason to connect it to the caching (?) anomalies. I remember the edit that supposedly justifies the surprising content. I had no occasion to edit at the head of the page, and can come up with no scenario that would have gotten
into my paste buffer. (Could a pointer intended for someone else's edit have gotten handed to a routine handling mine? How would i know!) So i am going to continue going around entertaining an indefensible idee fixe to the effect that the database is attributing to me two lines of editing that i did not commit. But i'm not interested in becoming the neighborhood tinfoil-hat-wearer, so i will probably never again mention it. [smile]
--
Jerzy
(t) 15:46, 2004 Jul 2 (UTC)
What is the process to decide which article should be on the front page? any vote? How could Greek mythology end up there in its current form? Thanks. olivier 15:18, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
After I click on "Log in", all I get is a blank page. Rick K 05:35, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
Overall, it's great. However, I really miss the 'click this link if you want to start an article on this topic' link--it was such a convenient way to start new articles. Any chance of getting it back? (I also like that the monobook Search button no longer tries to "Go" first) Niteowlneils 03:34, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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Hey All,
Thus of us at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports have created an infobox for the various airport pages. Please head to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airports/infobox for look and the various test pages it has been rolled out to. Then join the discussion about it. Don't be shy about how you feel about it. Burgundavia 10:26, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
I would like to request page protection for Phil Gingrey, which has been involved in a multiple-day edit war, in order to force discussion at Talk:Phil Gingrey/proposed version. A rollback before protection would be nice, to remove POV, but I'll take what I can get. [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 15:32, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There seems not to be any standard regarding the terminology of what I would prefer to call "Further reading" at the foot of articles. At the moment, there is a wide variety of headings in use.
Secondly, there are many (especially history/biography related articles) incorporating 1911 Britannica text which have also incorporated wholesale the 1911 bibiography. With the exception of primary sources (which should be separately noticed and headed), I think these should be removed.
And thirdly, many contributors use headings conflatable with "Further reading" etc, usually headed "References" to note the publications from which they derive the information. These, I think, ought to be the province of numbered footnotes.
Whatever may be decided, I do think that a degree of standardisation is advisable. Djnjwd 22:58, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
X is Y <ref>Z - How X is Y (1996), ISBN 0123456789</ref>, P isn't Q <ref>W - How P isn't Q (1997), ISBN 9876543210</ref>
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Cite sources.
There's a specific article on the man now ( Kim Sun-il)--shouldn't the main page and current events links go directly to the article now, instead of to a section of another article?
Someone else wrote it--I went in and cleaned it up a bit and wikified it a bit. It could use a lot more work, but that doesn't seem like a reason not to link there, since there's no more information in the Human rights situation in post-Saddam Iraq article.
A few burgers, and a donut. A coffee, a small coke. And yes I'd like fries with that... (sorry--Couldn't resist...this won't happen again [or for a long time]) Ilyanep 01:59, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There's getting to be a slight Wikipedia:Cleanup crisis, not least because the many hundreds of wretched articles uncovered by User:Topbanana/Reports such as User:Topbanana/Reports/This page contains no links are coming to the surface and being added to Wikipedia:Cleanup probably faster than they're being cleared up. All additional contributions to the cleanup and removal from Wikipedia:Cleanup of items which have been sorted, is most humbly sought. (It's okay - only handsfull are being added; most are sorted out without recourse to a cleanup listing.) -- Tagishsimon
OK, what's going on? Every time I click on a [hist] link I get:
contents of history page deleted
Rick K 05:36, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
Currently I am running an update query to move the history from Mmmttt to here. Please do not delete this page or move Mmmttt to random locations like Village pump/Temp. If you are having trouble repairing page move vandalism due to a large history or a large number of incoming links, fix it using a cut-and-paste move and then report the problem. -- Tim Starling 02:55, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to invite comment, ideas and discussion here Wikipedia talk:Policies and guidelines, thanks, Mark Richards 02:49, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is it just my computer or what ? How come after the move to here (Wikipedia:Village pump/Temp) all the lowercase 'u's on this page have been converted to 'h's ???? -- PFHLai 23:10, 2004 Jun 16 (UTC)
Please comment on: NPOV#Criticism_and_Alternative_views: Should all articles include criticism sections? Should no articles contain criticism sections? Where is the line between "Criticism" and "Alternative views"?
For example, no example stays uncontested long enough to list here.
Criticism and alternative views should follow the introduction and main discussion of the article.
Where along this spectrum do you wish Wikipedia articles to lie? Hyacinth 19:18, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Does H2O turn out correctly as water in your browser, or does it look more like H-squared O ?
My Mozilla 1.7 browser displays it as H-squared O !!
I can only suppose that others have noticed this too, but mention it here just in case...
Humanist 14:39, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
im new here and if you see this article please tell me
Recently, an ambitious and surely well-intending Helsinki-editor has made a couple of changes [3] to articles related to Finland's history. There are some examples of practices which I think is not quite optimal at Wikipedia, including cut-and-paste instead of using the move-feature, and some examples of changes that may be considered sensitive. However, Wikipedia does literally ask newcommers to be bold in their editing, and so this editor has been.
One of this editor's ambitions seems to be the purification of Finland's history from dishonourable traces of foreign supremacy through the exchange of Swedish spellings for Finnish spellings of phenomena from the times (before 1892 that is) when Swedish was the preeminent language. That question has parallells in the long strife over the use of the name Danzig in historical contexts. I do not expect such an issue to give reason to much of conflicts here, since the number of emotionally involved writers with Swedish and Finnish mothertongue at Wikipedia is far too limited, but I guess our ambition is some kind of consistency within Wikipedia.
I would wish that someone with more experience of Wikipedia editing, than I have, could take a look. Preferably someone with administrator privileges. Why that? For two reasons. First of all since one possible outcome would be a total roll-back of this contributor's edits, including some possible deletions. I do not say that this is the expected outcome, but that posibility will colour any exchange of thoughts with the editor in question, regardless of how much of wikiquette and wikilove is put in. The other reason is that newcomers most probably expect a more meassured behaviour from someone in responsible position.
Maybe a discussion with someone neither Finnish, nor Swedish or Russian, would give the contributor the right impression of the idea behind an English-language Wikipedia. As far as possible, one would wish not to import century-long strifes with nationalist undertones into Wikipedia.
So, now to my question: How do I come in contact with currently active and present administrators? / Tuomas 12:49, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
You know how sometimes you go into a room and then forget why you've gone there? Well, I've just done that coming to the Village Pump. I had a question to ask but I'm damned if I can remember what it was... It must be the psychological blow struck by England's %&*£ing defeat just now in Euro 2004. -- bodnotbod 22:26, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
I just had the opportunity to refer someone to the lovely Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial. Couple of questions, though--
Thanks! Elf | Talk 20:56, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I wanted to know why the access times recently are sooooo slooooowwwww... It is almost impossible to normally use the Wikipedia. Maybe some kind of traffiking monitoring should be done - such as limiting the amount of users currently connecting (or ideally increase bandwidth dah...) ( Ivenger)
THIS MEANS PLEASE DONATE, IF YOU CAN. -- blankfaze | ?? 12:24, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I spent most of this morning trying to post Doggystyle Records to Cleanup, but I kept getting an error page that was title "Spam protection filter" and kept telling me that I wasn't allowed to post Spam to Wikipedia. It WOULD NOT let me add it. So I came here to post my problem, and it wouldn't let me post it here! And now, the problem seems to have gone away. What's going on? Rick K 05:13, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you in advance. ;)
Neutrality 04:00, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I started new page recently named stdio.h and it does not exist anymore. Why? Joakim 18:57, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi. On reflection I may have been a little over-zealous on speedy-deleting this article. At first glance it looked just like a copy of the include file. I meant to post something on Joakim's talk page, but I didn't get to it. If you try again I promise to give it a chance. DJ Clayworth 16:18, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I reverted vandalism on Free content after seeing an IP user go past on Special:RecentChanges to the last known good version, but now the History page doesn't include the version I was removing (a single line slogan about Greece) and it looks like I'm accusing a genuine user of vandalism. What gives? SkArcher 16:31, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This sounds like the same problem that is reported on japanese wikipedia. It is always the edit(s) before the latest. And one person on IRC #wikimedia said this is perhaps because of the lag between the two databases. Suda, our main database server receives all the edits and record them. Ariel, secondary database server, sends data for browsing requests. And Ariel is not keeping up with Suda all the time up to the second. Even if you do not do anything, the appropriate history info will come eventually, and that is because those data are sent from Suda to Ariel, if I understand it correct. Tomos 21:06, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
In my quest to correctly alphasort [[Category:Science fiction novels]], I found something very strange when editing The Time Ships. After doing my minor changes, when clicking "Show preview" I got to see the contents of the article about David Koresh (!) in the middle of the Time Ships article. This is also visible after I saved the article. Even stranger: when I press "edit this page" to sort out this hopefully-one-instance trouble, I only see the non-Koresh'ed article source. Anyone have a clue to what this is all about??? -- Wernher 23:53, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I noticed the last few front page feature articles needed help with their captions, so I wrote Wikipedia:Captions. Please take a look and do that Wiki thing. -- ke4roh 23:50, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I had an idea I'd quite like to write up an article with people's stated experience of how they actually feel when suffering from clinical depression. Now, I envisage it being too long to go on the article page (I don't want to unbalance the article). So, I know the first answer in such cases is "stick it on the talk page". Well, yeah, but that's kind of unsatisfying (but, you know, if that's the consensus).
I could set it up as a separate article, but then I really don't think that people would agree to that (please tell me if I'm wrong) - but it feels very unencyclopaedic. (And think of the precedent I'm setting, next it will be "My gout hell" on VfD).
Another option would be to simply have a sub-category of external links pointing to the web articles that I'd be quoting from in any case - but I'm quite drawn to producing a single document rather than a bulleted list which might contain lots of info I'm not particularly drawn to - I like the idea of writing this up , so...
My preferred option would be to produce a personal user sub-page and then link to it from the article, but I have absolutely no idea of the etiquette involved there (anyone got a link?).
Thoughts, opinions, whatever...? -- bodnotbod 20:03, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
The text could then be reduced to a set of assertions and observations about depression. These could then be corroborated (using other noted testimonies and other kinds of suitable evidence) and incorporated into the article. Mr. Jones 12:33, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is wikipedia currently generating RSS or Atom feeds for watchlists? If so, what's the URL syntax for subscribing? If not, this would be a wonderful feature.
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view. —Steven G. Johnson 22:11, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
Want a gmail account, have nothing better to do? Try the contest. Quick in the draw 00:57, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I was inspired by the above to offer Gmail invites to people willing to clean up the Wikipedia:Copyright problems page. See Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Gmail.21. Angela . 01:36, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I suppose I better explain my multiple creations, deletions, edits, changes, protections and manipulations of various subpages of mine and possible pollution of Recent Changes--- I was re-organizing my user page...so sorry if I caused any inconvinience. Ilyanep (Talk) 22:23, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is Wikipedia allowed to come up with new terms and assign meanings to it ? Or is an encylocpedia only supposed to reflect the world around it ? The word in context is Autagonist, a term that was created after a brainstorming discussion on Wikipedia:Reference desk#Literary Technique, to explain a literary technique that seems to have no name as yet. The word cannot be found in dictionaries (though Google says its a vague term used in Chemistry). Jay 10:12, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I guess this comes under Wikipedia:No original research. I've added a bit about primary research in the Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not page. Jay 10:51, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There is not currently a community consensus on what constitutes a featured article. The only relevant policy appears to be what is a featured article, which was written by one contributor and has not been reviewed or discussed to any significant extent. I have attempted to start such a discussion on Wikipedia talk:what is a featured article. Comments from the community would be appreciated. Isomorphic 04:27, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone direct me to a page on WP that can help me with editing the monobook.css file ( User:Ilyanep/monobook.css)? I want to make all external links light green, and visited external dark green (the old revision of Red Link gave a good idea) but keep other links the same...I also want to see what other things I can customize. Thanks Ilyanep 22:10, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I have posted a question at Wikipedia_talk:Protection_policy on this topic. Elf | Talk 19:07, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
For my own personal use, I use the "Nostalgia" settings.
If you want to see a problem it has, go to Computer numbering formats. The Chinese version of that page looks, if anything, worse.
Why was this new skin invented, anyway? Was something wrong with the old skin? Does the new skin look more "professional"?
--Juuitchan
Need to be merged. Thanks. God bless! Antonio Irreverence Martin
A "redesign" seems to have happened since yesterday, the most frustrating element of which is that when the search is unsuccessful we now get:
"Try the Google or Yahoo! searches below"
... but the Google and Yahoo search options are no longer there! Surely some mistake? --
Picapica 21:16, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia talk:Cite sources. —Steven G. Johnson 01:30, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)
has anybody the wikipedia logo in high res, or can tell me where to download it? At Computer Sciences Corporation we are working on a research report and want to include the logo. We already have the approval, but unfortunately not the logo :-)
I have a question in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places) for anyone who knows Arabic / is familiar with Arab countries. Thanks to all in advance. -- ran 09:07, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
Would it be possible to have some sort of Post-It/ Sticky feature that would allow all registered contributors to leave notes on the article page (such as "Bibliography Missing for Article, Please Add") that would only be visible to other contributors, instead of visiting readers? -- Simonides 03:35, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is the place or method to report this, and I am sorry if I'm mistaken, but I'm afraid the article on Germany has been vandalized.
When I open the article on IE, the normal page appears. However, using Mozilla Firefox I see the vandalized version of the article in which the German flag has been replaced by the Nazi Swastika and the coat of arms by the Nazi Eagle insignia. Parts of the article's content have been vandalized as well.
I've taken screenshots of this:
Germany article as seen on Internet Explorer
Germany article as seen on Mozilla Firefox
However, a friend told she sees the vandalized article even using IE.
I do now know how to solve this, but I guess the code or something has been modified as I see the problematic page with Firefox but not with Internet Explorer.
Papa Lemming 03:08, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
On my draft Guide intro ([ [5]]), when I Preview, Wikipedia correctly shows as a "visited" link. However, when I save and view the page, it shows as a "red-link", and links to the Edit page for the article. Any ideas? Is it just some obscure bug? Niteowlneils 20:38, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Someone, presumably with the intent of an Interwiki link, has added [[zh-cn:法国大革命]] to the article French Revolution. I believe "zh" is Chinese. "zh-cn" means nothing to me, but I hesitate to simply delete. Does anyone know what is going on here? -- Jmabel 00:51, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)
{I am posting this at Meelar's suggestion, to get a more responsive audience, though some of it's already appeared at the Help Desk.}
Simonides 19:00, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone put the UTC Timeclock to on side so when we see messages that the server will be down from this time to next time, We have a UTC clock ticking to show us the time? This would be a nice addition. How about the UTC time clock under the search box? WHEELER 14:00, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Coordinated Universal Time has a clock. You must be logged in to get the correct time. If you are not, you will get a cached copy.
Paul Studier 00:12, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)
I take it back. Even when logged in, this clock is not always updated, even if one does a ctrl-F5 in Microsoft Internet Explorer. Best is to use http://time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java. Paul Studier 00:27, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)
Personally, I just type
TZ=utc date
or (csh)
env TZ=utc date
but it's obvious what my bias is. 8-P -- ssd 14:39, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The symbol of Wikisource on the Main Page (bottom right), a bluish image, has been disturbing my peace since a while. Anyone knows what it is or what it attempts to imply. Is it a photograph or painting ? Jay 13:21, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
File:Wikisource newlogo.png
--
VampWillow 16:10, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Today's Calvin and Hobbes has Calvin running up to his mother and asking, "Can I have the car keys?" His mother answers, "No." Calvin sprints off and returns with a book and a disappointed expression, saying, "Can you believe the encyclopedia doesn't have an entry for hotwire?"
So, I thought to myself, I wonder if my encyclopedia actaully does. The answer was, "Yes, but not by enough." Hotwire is just a dictionary definition! Could someone who knows how to steal cars please take care of this? :) -- कुक्कुरोवाच| Talk‽ 20:33, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This is a list of discussions that have been summarised and moved to an appropriate place. This list gets deleted occasionally to make room for newer entries. Please note that all comments relating to the new software have been moved to Wikipedia:Mediawiki 1.3 and all comments regarding categorisation to Wikipedia talk:Categorization.
A user calling himself User:I'm not User:Michael has appeared. Can he be blocked? Should his edits be reverted? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 17:57, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Besides the frustration of my experiment with calling a parameterized template from inside a template, my day is burdened by the time wasted trying to get around my client-side caching to be sure about the current appearance of the affected pages. That was a waste, bcz it would seem that the server is caching the rendering of templating-using pages, until those pages are edited again. (Even tho the change to the template changes the proper rendering.) Is this acceptable, in light of reversal of bad edits becoming ineffective? Is anyone working on it? Am i being a jerk if i just stop trying to make changes to existing templates, lest a typo break all the pages concerned for i-dunno-how-long? -- Jerzy (t) 15:42, 2004 Jun 29 (UTC)
I receive timeout errors when I try to update both Template:opentask and Wikipedia:Community portal. Previewing works as expected. Can somebody look at this? [[User:Poccil|Poccil ( Talk)]] 02:10, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
How does community portal get updated? The same pages have been listed in e.g. the copy edit section for weeks, in spite of significant clean up. Tom 00:48, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
User:69.19.254.16 has made a series of edits to a number of pages (and is still editing as I type), in all cases adding links to www.paperlessarchives.com - a site that sells CD archived copies of papers from historical periods. There isn't any actual content there of relevance, but the content for sale is relevant - To delete or not to delete? List of contributions is [6] P.S. oops, forgot to sign entry SkArcher 23:35, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
How can I get permission to use a copyrighted material if the company is no longer in business? I wrote a company for permission to use material and they have not been there for 15 years and there is nothing on the web. I am looking for J. M. Dent & Sons of London. How do I go about getting permission or must I wait 90 years? WHEELER 22:13, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I edit in one window and monitor Recent Changes in the other, and when my change shows up in the Recent Changes, I know it's taken, because the window I'm editing in NEVER returns back a completed save. Rick K 06:25, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)
Please vote. Thanks :)
Just spent the last half an hour trying to fix the complete duplication of this page, was having major problems. I finally gave up just now.
'Show preview' worked fine, but on trying to hit 'Save page', the resultant edit did not go through. The link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump&action=submit loads up as a blank page. Any hints as to what's causing it/what to do? I have submitted a SourceForge bug report, but wanted to check if anyone here knew what was happening. -- Michael Warren 19:15, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Could anyone responsible for uploading U.S. Census data please see Talk:Hispanic at "Disambiguation in census data". m.e. 08:14, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It'll be great if you can do something about this, Docu. There's Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Counties, but I'm not sure if this is part of their scopes. It was pretty much Ram-Man doing his thing...A note won't hurt though.
We have two options - change all the racial links to point to Race (U.S. Census), as Rambot was partly through doing, or change [[Asia|Asian]] to [[Asian American|Asian]] and [[Hispanic]] to [[Hispanic American|Hispanic]]. I personally think that the former may be slightly confusing. I think we should do the latter and make sure Race (U.S. Census) has a place in the individual Race articles. -- Jia ng 16:56, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hey there. I don't know what, if anything, can be done about this problem, but I thought people might be interested. There seems to be an increasing case of people using data harvested from the WP, probably database dumps, to create link spamming pages.
For those who don't know about this, it is a way to trick Google and other search engines by creating hundreds or even thousands of junk pages at a time across multiple domains which link to each other. These pages then redirect to whatever advertising or affiliate programs the link spammer is involved with, and generate revenue for the spammer at the cost of damaging the search engines and wasting people's time.
My reason for writing this was that I discovered a site constructed entirely around link spamming using WP's database. It rated 3rd when I searched for my own nick on microsoft's new search engine demo earlier today [7]. The actual url of the site is www dot erdmond dot com, but I encourage people not to visit the site, since it will only redirect you to Amazon, and earn money for the spammer with the affiliation program.
The end result of this kind of behaviour will be for the spammers to damage Wikipedia's ratings and reputation with this behaviour. I doubt there is a lot we can do to stop this. I personally find it very annoying that parasites like this can use the WP community's hard work for their own reward in such a destructive fashion. My apologies if this has already been discussed somewhere else :) akaDruid 11:05, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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The merged history looks plausible (the new article's edit most recent and the old one's edits less recent) but the older versions are inaccessible, producing the messages
and
Yes, i know how stupid it is to believe what i did broke the system, but i do, especially since User:Jerzy/Editing Space, inspected soon after, has a Saddam courtroom stills that must be under 24 hours old, along with Sandbox stuff, and these can't be explained by the history of the page. Hmmm. I'm going to log off and see if that affects anything.
Oh, it says "ask an admin". Embarassing, since i asserted making me an admin should reduce the burden of my requests to other admins. But i couldn't have gotten into this trouble except as an admin. Hmmm.
--
Jerzy
(t) 05:32, 2004 Jul 2 (UTC)
Thank you both. It was indeed temporary, tho clearing my cache, logging off, and rebooting did not fix it, and 8 hours later, i had to force another reload of the history page to see that the versions were good, and that the Bemdji State University versions now show up in the merged history. I would say that what happened is that i was served a version of the history that was out of date, from either before the deletion or between it and the undeletion, since the 7-digit ids that appear in the URL of the version diffs are different from the "oldid"s (and higher and consecutive, obviously reassigned at undelete time, but not reflected in the error msg).
I've now calmed down enough to whole-heartedly admit that "it's not about me" (i.e, abt my account or session), although i did experience this soon (a day?) after beginning to experience the fault of many pages' persistantly non-updated transclusions of {{Index only}}. (It occurred to me yesterday that there was an eventually useful edit that i could now apply to all the pages that call it, so the problem is now masked in that case.)
Now, about that picture of Saddam: No reason to connect it to the caching (?) anomalies. I remember the edit that supposedly justifies the surprising content. I had no occasion to edit at the head of the page, and can come up with no scenario that would have gotten
into my paste buffer. (Could a pointer intended for someone else's edit have gotten handed to a routine handling mine? How would i know!) So i am going to continue going around entertaining an indefensible idee fixe to the effect that the database is attributing to me two lines of editing that i did not commit. But i'm not interested in becoming the neighborhood tinfoil-hat-wearer, so i will probably never again mention it. [smile]
--
Jerzy
(t) 15:46, 2004 Jul 2 (UTC)
What is the process to decide which article should be on the front page? any vote? How could Greek mythology end up there in its current form? Thanks. olivier 15:18, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
After I click on "Log in", all I get is a blank page. Rick K 05:35, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
Overall, it's great. However, I really miss the 'click this link if you want to start an article on this topic' link--it was such a convenient way to start new articles. Any chance of getting it back? (I also like that the monobook Search button no longer tries to "Go" first) Niteowlneils 03:34, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)