The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Articles about Indian actors can just use Template:Infobox person. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 23:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
We already have Template:Infobox surname. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 23:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merged (NAC) Frietjes ( talk) 00:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox European football with
Template:Infobox African football.
Rather than creating a new infobox for each continent, it would be better to add the extra fields to the existing template, and rename it
Template:Infobox international football awards or something like that.
eh bien mon prince (
talk)
23:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:31, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
the image is used a bit, but this template seems to be unused. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 23:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Minor league rosters change too often for this to be of any use and it has not been updated with anything close to regularity so the information is often out of date or inaccurate. Spanneraol ( talk) 22:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Minor league rosters change way too often for this to be of any real use and it does not seem to be updated regularly so the information is not accurate or useful in any way. Spanneraol ( talk) 22:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was do not merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox valley with
Template:Infobox landform.
A valley is a type of landform. {{Infobox landform}}
already looks like a subset of the valley template; merge at the former name but keep 'valley as a redirect.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
19:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
|water=
, |operator=
, |designation=
). This is just asking for misuse through unfamiliarity. To me, the whole purpose of specialized infoboxes is that they only allow sensible parameters for the type of entity. This lack of error checking is precisely why I think Geobox is a terrible idea. If anything, we should go through the transclusions of {{
Infobox landform}} and see if it is truly required! —
hike395 (
talk)
04:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 04:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Only 79 transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox park}} (2320 transclusions; already used for nature reserves and similar), to which any necessary parameters should be added. This name should then be kept as a redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
|disturbance=
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
|operator=
, |founder=
, or |budget=
. —
hike395 (
talk)
04:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
|disturbance=
to {{Infobox park}}
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:47, 7 April 2014 (UTC){{Infobox park}}
template.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC){{Infobox park}}
is already used on, for example
Epping Forest,
Jenny Jump State Forest,
Thetford Forest,
Savernake Forest,
Delamere Forest,
Tillamook State Forest,
Okaloacoochee Slough State Forest,
Bedgebury Forest.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox rockclimbing crag with
Template:Infobox climbing area.
Similar subjects.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
19:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merged (NAC) Frietjes ( talk) 18:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox canal}}, into which any required parameters should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was reorganize as suggested by Kjello. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:41, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Largest cities of Norway with
Template:Most populous urban areas of Norway.
These templates seem to be mostly redundant. Also, the statistics don't seem to match up but I believe editors more familiar with them can help clarify this issue.
Waldir
talk
19:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
A couple of thoughts from a Norwegian very interested in population statistics.
{{ Most populous urban areas of Norway}} is a complete mess. The title claims to list metropolitan regions. But the numbers are a mixture of urban area numbers, and metropolitan region numbers. A metropolitan region one should be created, but then named {{ Largest metropolitan regions of Norway}}. Actually the whole metropolitan regions article need to be updated. The term byregioner hasn't been used by the government since Storbymeldingen back in 2003. After this the term used has been "bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner". Which translates to "common living and working region". The latest update I could find from 2013, divides all of Norways 428 municipalities in 160 different regions. Many of them only including one municipality. These regions are then divided in five categories. A:Big city regions, B:Regions with medium size cities, C:Small town regions, D:District centers regions, E:Regions with small or no centre. Category A and B sums up to 20 regions. While adding category C sums up to 51 regions.
As Arsenikk says, the {{ Largest cities of Norway}} is only used in the Norway article as content. However, though it claims to list cities, it actually lists urban areas. The term city is equivalent to by in Norwegian. In Norway you have something called bystatus. Or city status. In the old days the king decided which towns were allowed to trade, and to what degree. Because of this, not all urban areas are cities. For instance is Askøy the 25 largest urban area. But don't have a city status.
Statistics Norway now only release numbers for municipalities, and urban areas. But not cities. Because of this, there is great confusion on what is the population of Norwegian cities. When referring to the population of a Norwegian city, most would use the population of the respective municipality. The problem with this is that some municipalities actually have several cities. The other problem with this, is that this would include vast areas of rural land. Which by most people wouldn't be defined as part of the city. Because of this, others would use the number for the respective urban area when referring to the population of a city. The problem with this then, is that some cities have grown together. For instance the urban area of Porsgrunn/Skien includes five different cities. A third possibility, which in my opinion is the most correct one. Is to use the population number of the urban area, that's within that respective municipality. If we take Oslo as an example. Oslo municipality had 613,285 per January 2012. While Oslo urban area had 925,242 inhabitants per January 2012. Of this 607,690 lived within the municipality of Oslo. Which then would be the population of the city Oslo.
The population of the city Trondheim, would then be listed as 167,598. Which is the same as Trondheim urban area. While the population for the city Stavanger would be listed as 124.960. Which represent the population of the urban area Stavanger/Sandnes, that lives within the municipality borders of Stavanger municipality.
There should in my opinion exist four different templates.
When it comes to these two templates. {{ Largest cities of Norway}} is used as content in the Norway article. And should mainly stay as it is. It should however either be changed so it specify that it lists urban areas, and not cities. Or actually list population of cities using my definition of population numbers in cities. Even though they're not official in any kind. While {{ Most populous urban areas of Norway}} should be moved to {{ Largest metropolitan regions of Norway}}. And then be cleaned up so it includes the top 20 bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner. Read category A and B.
Kjello ( talk) 21:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I always cringe when someone tries to quantify Norwegian cities. The lack of a formal definition, or at least one that has any connection to the average person's concept of a city, makes it very difficult to find sources. Some claims of being a city also seem unlawful to me. The names of the four largest cities are probably uncontroversial, but not their populations. Basing something on our own custom definitions might cause a neverending battle with other editors who update the numbers (in good faith, but without reading any guidelines) according their own definitions. List of towns and cities in Norway suffers from this, but I have long since given up on trying to maintain coherence there. Going for metropolitan areas seems like a safer bet to me, but that should be reflected in the name. Ters ( talk) 16:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:23, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I just nominated the main article in the template for a prod deletion, teams aren't notable Secret account 19:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Only five transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox concert}}, into which any required parameters should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep as a substitutable template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:43, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 18:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Template coded in German. Redundant to {{ Infobox river}}, into which any better or additional features should be merged. If kept, that should only be on the basis of it being a Shimming template, which must be "subst:" (probably by bot) whenever it is used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Only sixteen transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only ten transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only two transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only four transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only twelve transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox cricket season}} (Transclusion count: 31) of {{ Infobox cricket club season}} (Transclusion count: 136). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Articles about Indian actors can just use Template:Infobox person. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 23:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
We already have Template:Infobox surname. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 23:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merged (NAC) Frietjes ( talk) 00:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox European football with
Template:Infobox African football.
Rather than creating a new infobox for each continent, it would be better to add the extra fields to the existing template, and rename it
Template:Infobox international football awards or something like that.
eh bien mon prince (
talk)
23:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:31, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
the image is used a bit, but this template seems to be unused. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 23:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Minor league rosters change too often for this to be of any use and it has not been updated with anything close to regularity so the information is often out of date or inaccurate. Spanneraol ( talk) 22:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Minor league rosters change way too often for this to be of any real use and it does not seem to be updated regularly so the information is not accurate or useful in any way. Spanneraol ( talk) 22:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was do not merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:53, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox valley with
Template:Infobox landform.
A valley is a type of landform. {{Infobox landform}}
already looks like a subset of the valley template; merge at the former name but keep 'valley as a redirect.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
19:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
|water=
, |operator=
, |designation=
). This is just asking for misuse through unfamiliarity. To me, the whole purpose of specialized infoboxes is that they only allow sensible parameters for the type of entity. This lack of error checking is precisely why I think Geobox is a terrible idea. If anything, we should go through the transclusions of {{
Infobox landform}} and see if it is truly required! —
hike395 (
talk)
04:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 04:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Only 79 transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox park}} (2320 transclusions; already used for nature reserves and similar), to which any necessary parameters should be added. This name should then be kept as a redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
|disturbance=
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
|operator=
, |founder=
, or |budget=
. —
hike395 (
talk)
04:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
|disturbance=
to {{Infobox park}}
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:47, 7 April 2014 (UTC){{Infobox park}}
template.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC){{Infobox park}}
is already used on, for example
Epping Forest,
Jenny Jump State Forest,
Thetford Forest,
Savernake Forest,
Delamere Forest,
Tillamook State Forest,
Okaloacoochee Slough State Forest,
Bedgebury Forest.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
14:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Infobox rockclimbing crag with
Template:Infobox climbing area.
Similar subjects.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
19:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merged (NAC) Frietjes ( talk) 18:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox canal}}, into which any required parameters should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was reorganize as suggested by Kjello. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:41, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Largest cities of Norway with
Template:Most populous urban areas of Norway.
These templates seem to be mostly redundant. Also, the statistics don't seem to match up but I believe editors more familiar with them can help clarify this issue.
Waldir
talk
19:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
A couple of thoughts from a Norwegian very interested in population statistics.
{{ Most populous urban areas of Norway}} is a complete mess. The title claims to list metropolitan regions. But the numbers are a mixture of urban area numbers, and metropolitan region numbers. A metropolitan region one should be created, but then named {{ Largest metropolitan regions of Norway}}. Actually the whole metropolitan regions article need to be updated. The term byregioner hasn't been used by the government since Storbymeldingen back in 2003. After this the term used has been "bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner". Which translates to "common living and working region". The latest update I could find from 2013, divides all of Norways 428 municipalities in 160 different regions. Many of them only including one municipality. These regions are then divided in five categories. A:Big city regions, B:Regions with medium size cities, C:Small town regions, D:District centers regions, E:Regions with small or no centre. Category A and B sums up to 20 regions. While adding category C sums up to 51 regions.
As Arsenikk says, the {{ Largest cities of Norway}} is only used in the Norway article as content. However, though it claims to list cities, it actually lists urban areas. The term city is equivalent to by in Norwegian. In Norway you have something called bystatus. Or city status. In the old days the king decided which towns were allowed to trade, and to what degree. Because of this, not all urban areas are cities. For instance is Askøy the 25 largest urban area. But don't have a city status.
Statistics Norway now only release numbers for municipalities, and urban areas. But not cities. Because of this, there is great confusion on what is the population of Norwegian cities. When referring to the population of a Norwegian city, most would use the population of the respective municipality. The problem with this is that some municipalities actually have several cities. The other problem with this, is that this would include vast areas of rural land. Which by most people wouldn't be defined as part of the city. Because of this, others would use the number for the respective urban area when referring to the population of a city. The problem with this then, is that some cities have grown together. For instance the urban area of Porsgrunn/Skien includes five different cities. A third possibility, which in my opinion is the most correct one. Is to use the population number of the urban area, that's within that respective municipality. If we take Oslo as an example. Oslo municipality had 613,285 per January 2012. While Oslo urban area had 925,242 inhabitants per January 2012. Of this 607,690 lived within the municipality of Oslo. Which then would be the population of the city Oslo.
The population of the city Trondheim, would then be listed as 167,598. Which is the same as Trondheim urban area. While the population for the city Stavanger would be listed as 124.960. Which represent the population of the urban area Stavanger/Sandnes, that lives within the municipality borders of Stavanger municipality.
There should in my opinion exist four different templates.
When it comes to these two templates. {{ Largest cities of Norway}} is used as content in the Norway article. And should mainly stay as it is. It should however either be changed so it specify that it lists urban areas, and not cities. Or actually list population of cities using my definition of population numbers in cities. Even though they're not official in any kind. While {{ Most populous urban areas of Norway}} should be moved to {{ Largest metropolitan regions of Norway}}. And then be cleaned up so it includes the top 20 bo- og arbeidsmarkedsregioner. Read category A and B.
Kjello ( talk) 21:54, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I always cringe when someone tries to quantify Norwegian cities. The lack of a formal definition, or at least one that has any connection to the average person's concept of a city, makes it very difficult to find sources. Some claims of being a city also seem unlawful to me. The names of the four largest cities are probably uncontroversial, but not their populations. Basing something on our own custom definitions might cause a neverending battle with other editors who update the numbers (in good faith, but without reading any guidelines) according their own definitions. List of towns and cities in Norway suffers from this, but I have long since given up on trying to maintain coherence there. Going for metropolitan areas seems like a safer bet to me, but that should be reflected in the name. Ters ( talk) 16:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:23, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I just nominated the main article in the template for a prod deletion, teams aren't notable Secret account 19:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Only five transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox concert}}, into which any required parameters should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was keep as a substitutable template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:43, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 18:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Template coded in German. Redundant to {{ Infobox river}}, into which any better or additional features should be merged. If kept, that should only be on the basis of it being a Shimming template, which must be "subst:" (probably by bot) whenever it is used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Only sixteen transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only ten transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only two transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only four transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox character}} (Transclusion count: 4,708). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Only twelve transclusions. Redundant to {{ Infobox cricket season}} (Transclusion count: 31) of {{ Infobox cricket club season}} (Transclusion count: 136). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 19 February 2014 (UTC)