The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox user}}. Only two, userspace, transclusions. Could be SUBSTd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge and redirect Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox user}}. Only two, userspace, transclusions. Could be SUBSTd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox hockey team}}; only 36 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused (I replaced the only three instances), redundant to {{ Infobox organization}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused (I replaced the only instance), non-English wrapper for {{ Infobox sport club}} (see above). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:56, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox organization}}; only 66 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox organization}}; only 26 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't seem much point to displaying the category links in lowercase rather than uppercase as they both work the same. Not very widely used either. WOSlinker ( talk) 21:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
Category TOC|uppercase=no|lowercase=yes}}
: suggest redirect if we really need to preserve history otherwise delete. HTH HAND —
Phil |
Talk
16:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker ( talk) 12:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, unused. In the unlikely event that we have an article about a notable school club, it can use {{ Infobox organization}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Deleted as T3. WOSlinker ( talk) 21:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused and unneeded template due to Template:GoldenGlobeTVComedy_2010–2029 J36miles ( talk) 19:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus to merge, but consensus to fix improper transclusions, and to make improvements to make the template closer to complying with accessibility guidelines. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Smallcaps all with
Template:Smallcaps.
This is exactly the same issue as with
Template:Sc, which was
merged a month ago.
Template:Smallcaps all, like
Template:Sc before it, forces a bunch of text into uppercase, which is very poor accessibility, per
MOS:ACCESS and
MOS:TEXT. The similar template
Template:Smallcaps uses CSS to style the small-caps, which is both better accessibility and (importantly for people with visual impairments like myself) can be overridden in a user CSS. So I'm proposing deleting
Template:Smallcaps all in favour of merging all uses of it into uses of
Template:Smallcaps instead. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
19:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps all|H|ello}}
and the merge-to template does not (and should not; the functionality was only needed in the merge-from template because of the bad things it did). This means the text of the template is going to have to be changed to {{smallcaps|{{{1}}}{{{2}}}}}}
and subst'ed in every case in which it is used this way. After that, the template can be redirected to Template:smallcaps, or better yet, changed to {{smallcaps|{{{1}}}}}}
, subst'ed in all remaining uses, and just deleted. There is no reason to keep such a weirdly named redirect. There are about 4,000 transcluding pages, but the vast majority of these are application of {{smallcaps all}}
to BCE, CE, BC and AD. After those are eliminated, tracking down the {{smallcaps all|X|y}}
cases for subst'ing should be easy. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
SMcCandlish (
talk •
contribs) {{
smallcaps|pin}}
or {{
smallcaps|aids}}
, editors should simply be writing PIN or AIDS.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
10:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps|pin}}
is not acceptable: that's the whole point of this template.{{
smallcaps all|pin}}
either: they would have to write {{
smallcaps all|PIN}}
. —
kwami (
talk)
11:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
{{smallcaps|{{lc:{{{1|}}}}}}}
. The "lc:" word is the difference, and hence the name. The second feature is that when no smallcaps available, it shows uppercases. If this is undesired - the template should not be used. But e.g. in
Pronunciation respelling for English and {{
respell}} capitalisation is used to mark stressed syllables, which otherwise would be lost when no small caps are available. Put simply: if these effects are not desired, just don't use the template. From here on, the discussion should continue at
Template Talk:smallcaps all, since it is only about improvements of the template.{{
smallcaps}}
(allowed by everyone and their god, but really it only does the lowercase characters) and basic {{
smallcaps all}}
, for every character (lc and uc included) put into small caps. So, (again I think), they are not the same templates. -
DePiep (
talk)
01:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps}}
is allowed for the very rare occasions when small caps are appropriate in the Wikipedia. The important difference, though is that {{
smallcaps}}
renders lowercase text to the page, whereas {{
smallcaps all}} renders capitals, which are very poor for
accessibility. There are almost no circumstances in which this is necessary, so compromising the accessibility brings no benefit other than æsthetic, which is a poor reason to impede the accessibility of articles. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
13:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Lordand I don't really care whether uncustomised / logged out users get
Lord,
LORDor
LORD), as that evidently has stronger feelings around. Part of the problem I have, though, is with {{ Respell}}, for example, where I would like to be able to force lowercase (as bold is also used to emphasise stress); that could be resolved if {{ smallcaps all}} didn't add actual inline CSS (and in capitals, because it uses the
{{uc: }}
magic word!):<span class="SMALLCAPS" style="FONT-VARIANT:SMALL-CAPS;"><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM:LOWERCASE;">FEWM</span></span>
AIDS,
NATOand
PIN, however is invalid — MOS:SMALLCAPS explicitly states that these should not be set in small caps. (As it happens,
Aidsand
Natowould be perfectly valid British English, though we would use
PIN, not
Pin, just to be contrary about it ;o)
LORDin all caps (converting that to
Lordis, imho, precisely the kind of transformation that the MoS allows and, indeed, recommends, but I know I'm never going to win that discussion and, frankly, have better things to do than argue it). The "possible 'abuse'", however, is quite a real possibility, particularly when the template documentation encourages use proscribed by the MoS. With no use that does not contravene the MoS and lots of use that does contravene the MoS, I am entirely comfortable with my vote to delete, particularly given that the only rationale for this template's existence that I have seen espoused here is that some people prefer the way smallcaps look, despite that the MoS does not. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 01:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
NASAshould be entered as all capitals and displayed as all capitals — not as small capitals, per the MoS. Your desire to see acronyms as smallcaps is æsthetic, nothing more. It is also not supported by the MoS. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 10:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
<span class="smallcaps-all">...</span>
around it so that users can do this in their skin.css files:.smallcaps-all{ text-transform: lowercase !important; font-variant: normal !important; }
That way, we will still have the copy/paste functionality, but vision-impaired users could get nice lowercase text. -- N Y Kevin @993, i.e. 22:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
uc:
from the template, and still keep it. This is Template code talk, not Deletion talk. -
DePiep (
talk)
00:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
uc:
makes it essentially the same as {{
smallcaps}}. Hence listing the template here for merging. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
01:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
uc:
makes it essentially the same as {{
smallcaps}}".lc:
will be there, as intended and supported by the template name. -
DePiep (
talk)
01:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
lc:
call. My objection is to a template that forces output into uppercase and the
accessibility problems that come with that. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
13:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps}}
? Nobody has. But hey, we are talking another template here, remember. Did you read my post you just reacted to? I said like: "delete the uc:
envelope", and still it is a different template. And after that it has not the access-issue you mention. You are asking for an , not for a deletion. -
DePiep (
talk)
22:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps|Hello World}}
→ Hello World{{
smallcaps all|Hello World}}
→ HELLO WORLD{{smallcaps|{{lc:Hello World}}}}
→ hello worldUSAshould be in proper capitals, not smallcaps, as per the Manual of Style. The occasions where we need smallcaps that render to the page are very rare — {{ Respell}} is the only ones that springs to mind. Rare exceptions can have their own templates. But abbreviations like
USAor
NASAshould be set in all-capitals (as abbreviations), not smallcaps. The Manual of Style does not permit small caps in this instance, not least for the sake of consistency. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 15:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps}}
does not fit. For Illegimate uses, this template does not fit. Just use it when appropriate. -
DePiep (
talk)
23:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This template is a transclusion of {{ Culture of Estonia}} with an attached image; nothing more. It's used on one article, itself a stub. I can see a potential need for an Architecture of Estonia template but, not only is the need not yet here, this template doesn't satisfy it. Claret Ash 12:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
While I am not questioning the good faith of the creator of this template, I think it is inappropriate and excessively promotional to have a WikiAward that promotes a specific trademarked product by a specific company. – Grondemar 02:38, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I am nominating this navbox, along with all similar yearly football conference articles (will add the full list shortly) as I do not believe it serves as a useful tool for navigation. Currently this type of navbox is used on two different types of articles: individual team season articles and bowl game articles.
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox user}}. Only two, userspace, transclusions. Could be SUBSTd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was merge and redirect Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox user}}. Only two, userspace, transclusions. Could be SUBSTd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox hockey team}}; only 36 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused (I replaced the only three instances), redundant to {{ Infobox organization}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused (I replaced the only instance), non-English wrapper for {{ Infobox sport club}} (see above). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:56, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:45, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox organization}}; only 66 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Redundant to {{ Infobox organization}}; only 26 transclusions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't seem much point to displaying the category links in lowercase rather than uppercase as they both work the same. Not very widely used either. WOSlinker ( talk) 21:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
Category TOC|uppercase=no|lowercase=yes}}
: suggest redirect if we really need to preserve history otherwise delete. HTH HAND —
Phil |
Talk
16:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker ( talk) 12:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, unused. In the unlikely event that we have an article about a notable school club, it can use {{ Infobox organization}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:09, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was Deleted as T3. WOSlinker ( talk) 21:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Unused and unneeded template due to Template:GoldenGlobeTVComedy_2010–2029 J36miles ( talk) 19:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus to merge, but consensus to fix improper transclusions, and to make improvements to make the template closer to complying with accessibility guidelines. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Propose merging
Template:Smallcaps all with
Template:Smallcaps.
This is exactly the same issue as with
Template:Sc, which was
merged a month ago.
Template:Smallcaps all, like
Template:Sc before it, forces a bunch of text into uppercase, which is very poor accessibility, per
MOS:ACCESS and
MOS:TEXT. The similar template
Template:Smallcaps uses CSS to style the small-caps, which is both better accessibility and (importantly for people with visual impairments like myself) can be overridden in a user CSS. So I'm proposing deleting
Template:Smallcaps all in favour of merging all uses of it into uses of
Template:Smallcaps instead. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
19:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps all|H|ello}}
and the merge-to template does not (and should not; the functionality was only needed in the merge-from template because of the bad things it did). This means the text of the template is going to have to be changed to {{smallcaps|{{{1}}}{{{2}}}}}}
and subst'ed in every case in which it is used this way. After that, the template can be redirected to Template:smallcaps, or better yet, changed to {{smallcaps|{{{1}}}}}}
, subst'ed in all remaining uses, and just deleted. There is no reason to keep such a weirdly named redirect. There are about 4,000 transcluding pages, but the vast majority of these are application of {{smallcaps all}}
to BCE, CE, BC and AD. After those are eliminated, tracking down the {{smallcaps all|X|y}}
cases for subst'ing should be easy. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
SMcCandlish (
talk •
contribs) {{
smallcaps|pin}}
or {{
smallcaps|aids}}
, editors should simply be writing PIN or AIDS.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
10:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps|pin}}
is not acceptable: that's the whole point of this template.{{
smallcaps all|pin}}
either: they would have to write {{
smallcaps all|PIN}}
. —
kwami (
talk)
11:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
{{smallcaps|{{lc:{{{1|}}}}}}}
. The "lc:" word is the difference, and hence the name. The second feature is that when no smallcaps available, it shows uppercases. If this is undesired - the template should not be used. But e.g. in
Pronunciation respelling for English and {{
respell}} capitalisation is used to mark stressed syllables, which otherwise would be lost when no small caps are available. Put simply: if these effects are not desired, just don't use the template. From here on, the discussion should continue at
Template Talk:smallcaps all, since it is only about improvements of the template.{{
smallcaps}}
(allowed by everyone and their god, but really it only does the lowercase characters) and basic {{
smallcaps all}}
, for every character (lc and uc included) put into small caps. So, (again I think), they are not the same templates. -
DePiep (
talk)
01:06, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps}}
is allowed for the very rare occasions when small caps are appropriate in the Wikipedia. The important difference, though is that {{
smallcaps}}
renders lowercase text to the page, whereas {{
smallcaps all}} renders capitals, which are very poor for
accessibility. There are almost no circumstances in which this is necessary, so compromising the accessibility brings no benefit other than æsthetic, which is a poor reason to impede the accessibility of articles. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
13:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Lordand I don't really care whether uncustomised / logged out users get
Lord,
LORDor
LORD), as that evidently has stronger feelings around. Part of the problem I have, though, is with {{ Respell}}, for example, where I would like to be able to force lowercase (as bold is also used to emphasise stress); that could be resolved if {{ smallcaps all}} didn't add actual inline CSS (and in capitals, because it uses the
{{uc: }}
magic word!):<span class="SMALLCAPS" style="FONT-VARIANT:SMALL-CAPS;"><span style="TEXT-TRANSFORM:LOWERCASE;">FEWM</span></span>
AIDS,
NATOand
PIN, however is invalid — MOS:SMALLCAPS explicitly states that these should not be set in small caps. (As it happens,
Aidsand
Natowould be perfectly valid British English, though we would use
PIN, not
Pin, just to be contrary about it ;o)
LORDin all caps (converting that to
Lordis, imho, precisely the kind of transformation that the MoS allows and, indeed, recommends, but I know I'm never going to win that discussion and, frankly, have better things to do than argue it). The "possible 'abuse'", however, is quite a real possibility, particularly when the template documentation encourages use proscribed by the MoS. With no use that does not contravene the MoS and lots of use that does contravene the MoS, I am entirely comfortable with my vote to delete, particularly given that the only rationale for this template's existence that I have seen espoused here is that some people prefer the way smallcaps look, despite that the MoS does not. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 01:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
NASAshould be entered as all capitals and displayed as all capitals — not as small capitals, per the MoS. Your desire to see acronyms as smallcaps is æsthetic, nothing more. It is also not supported by the MoS. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 10:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
<span class="smallcaps-all">...</span>
around it so that users can do this in their skin.css files:.smallcaps-all{ text-transform: lowercase !important; font-variant: normal !important; }
That way, we will still have the copy/paste functionality, but vision-impaired users could get nice lowercase text. -- N Y Kevin @993, i.e. 22:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
uc:
from the template, and still keep it. This is Template code talk, not Deletion talk. -
DePiep (
talk)
00:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
uc:
makes it essentially the same as {{
smallcaps}}. Hence listing the template here for merging. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
01:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
uc:
makes it essentially the same as {{
smallcaps}}".lc:
will be there, as intended and supported by the template name. -
DePiep (
talk)
01:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
lc:
call. My objection is to a template that forces output into uppercase and the
accessibility problems that come with that. —
OwenBlacker (
Talk)
13:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps}}
? Nobody has. But hey, we are talking another template here, remember. Did you read my post you just reacted to? I said like: "delete the uc:
envelope", and still it is a different template. And after that it has not the access-issue you mention. You are asking for an , not for a deletion. -
DePiep (
talk)
22:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps|Hello World}}
→ Hello World{{
smallcaps all|Hello World}}
→ HELLO WORLD{{smallcaps|{{lc:Hello World}}}}
→ hello worldUSAshould be in proper capitals, not smallcaps, as per the Manual of Style. The occasions where we need smallcaps that render to the page are very rare — {{ Respell}} is the only ones that springs to mind. Rare exceptions can have their own templates. But abbreviations like
USAor
NASAshould be set in all-capitals (as abbreviations), not smallcaps. The Manual of Style does not permit small caps in this instance, not least for the sake of consistency. — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 15:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
{{
smallcaps}}
does not fit. For Illegimate uses, this template does not fit. Just use it when appropriate. -
DePiep (
talk)
23:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
This template is a transclusion of {{ Culture of Estonia}} with an attached image; nothing more. It's used on one article, itself a stub. I can see a potential need for an Architecture of Estonia template but, not only is the need not yet here, this template doesn't satisfy it. Claret Ash 12:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
While I am not questioning the good faith of the creator of this template, I think it is inappropriate and excessively promotional to have a WikiAward that promotes a specific trademarked product by a specific company. – Grondemar 02:38, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I am nominating this navbox, along with all similar yearly football conference articles (will add the full list shortly) as I do not believe it serves as a useful tool for navigation. Currently this type of navbox is used on two different types of articles: individual team season articles and bowl game articles.