To date the user:Onlyoneanswer has only ever edit pages which user:Meowy has edited and on the talk pages has always supported Meowy's POV. The very first page edited by Onlyoneanswer was Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-03-01/Mehmed Talat( Revision as of 23:11, 14 March 2009). Not the usual sort of page on which a new user makes their first edit, or the type of edit that a new user makes, and it was made less than 2 hours after user:Meowy said on that page "Don't ask me. I think I've said all I need to say, and I do not want to become involved in this invalid "mediation" process" [1]
More recently user:Onlyoneanswer has reverted an edit to Genocides in history, which is the same edit that user:Meowy had reverted a number of times and which was after I pointed out to user:Meowy that edits such as these edit were in violation of an arbcom restriction an this follow up comment.
By commenting in the section talk:genocides in history#Azerbaijani Khojaly, user:Onlyoneanswer has prevented user:Joebobby1985 from using the Wikipedia:Third opinion to help resolve the dispute, which was advise I had given user:Joebobby1985 (a relatively new editor) on their talk page -- PBS ( talk) 12:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Based on behavior alone these two accounts are related. As such I've indef'd the sock, and blocked the master account with a warning for 3 days. —— nix eagle email me 17:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Meowy ( talk · contribs) was banned for 1 year and has been previously socking through Tamamtamamtamam ( talk · contribs). The account of Ionidasz, which popped out some time after, WP:DUCKs in several ways. An interesting feature is the pattern of edit summaries: Ionidasz puts a full stop in nearly every edit summary, capitalizing initial letters of separate sentences, just like Meowy. In this sense both accounts show some love for tidying: [2] and [3] for example.
Here Ionidasz comes to partially recover the version of 88.232.192.190. This and all other IPs above point to Turkey with 81.214.144.172 repeatedly showing the aforementioned traits in edit summaries. Recently Ionidasz revealed that he has some "primary account". Brandmeister t] 00:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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Note that this followed after I gave my opinion to another user that Brandmeister should be reported. I have been checkusered already with two different user and just with how much more users I should be checked with? I can show him to be that user by using the same poor quality evidences. Ionidasz ( talk) 01:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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Suspicious newly registered user. Jumped right into the heat of debate. Same for IP 78.86.151.248. Genuine contirbutors normally start with contributing to the encyclopedia, not entering a current heated debate. Either socks or a ducks of a blocked user. Please check. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 17:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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For some time these four accounts have been active in editing articles in Wikipedia, more active though after blocking of Magotteers, the sockpuppet of a banned User Meowy. The first three were limited to more or less specific articles such as Culture of Nagorno-Karabakh (just engaged in revert wars: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], further on, some reverts were supported by the other reported accounts Oliveriki (eg. [15], [16]), Vandorenfm (eg. [17]) which were apparently created for the sole purpose of avoiding 3RR and other restrictions) and Zar, Azerbaijan (with both Xebulon and IP 93.97.143.19 alternating [18]), whereas Xebulon became more active in the last few days and the latter one (IP 93.97.143.19) has been passionately editing the same articles and subject that User Meowy had been in the past. The behavioral pattern, character of edits is strikingly similar. The previous socks of Meowy User:Ionidasz and User:Magotteers had the same exact behavioral pattern. Meowy actually confirmed through his Magotteers account that he also was Ionidacz, and confirmed he had used sock accounts in the past all along (Please see [19]). So, there is no doubt that these accounts are closely related to the same person. Xebulon and Oliveriki might not be logged in from the same IP but they certainly quack like a duck.
I am not sure how much Meowy is Hetoum I, and how much these two banned users are related, but it was also confirmed by an administrator here [20] that it's apparently the same sockpuppeteer of many accounts. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 19:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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Is there a jaw-drop smillie available to place here? If there was, I'd add it. I'd add a whole row of them to give the full effect of my surprise! Who the h-e-l-l is/are Xebulon, Oliveriki, Vandorenfm, Magotteers, et al? I am NONE of these people! I haven't even seen any of those names in any edit histories or talk pages of articles I have edited. I suggest that Tuscumbia's real reason for this is that I have recently added some material that he has objected to, most especially to the List_of_Armenian_churches_in_Nakhchivan article, and rather than either accept the material as valid (which it all is), or counter with legitimate arguments, he has chosen to take this route. I admit I went to that article after being concerned about his edits elsewhere and noticed he had made past edits to it too, so I was following him about somewhat (though there is nothing wrong in that) so Tuscumbia could have found my actions to be annoying and aggressive, directed at him alone (but they are not). Administrators, please check through all the content edits I have made and try to find anything objectionable in them - I am certain you will find nothing. About all you will find dubious is a talk page comment in which I was trying to be ironical. 93.97.143.19 ( talk) 18:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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I believe that currently banned Meowy ( talk · contribs) runs all or at least one of the aforementioned socks, judging by similar eloquent edit summaries of Gorzaim, Vandorenfm and partially Aram-van. One of the pages of interest is Caucasian Albania ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), where Gorzaim (whose activity is focused on Caucasian Albania) is backed by Vandorenfm (the latter reverts to the same version). Here Gorzaim recovers Aram-van's edit in image caption. Meowy's previous socks include Tamamtamamtamam ( talk · contribs) with the most recent suspected one being Scribblescribblescribble ( talk · contribs) (currently sleeping). Still, I don't exclude the possibility that the sockmaster is actually someone else. Meatpuppetry seems to be unlikely in my opinion, but this is left for further judgement. Twilightchill t 21:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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The previous reports on Meowy were inconclusive, as Meowy's account was stale. However there's a clear evidence that the IP 93.97.143.19 belongs to Meowy: [29] This is also of interest: [30] This IP continued editing after Meowy was blocked for 1 year: [31] The IP posted in the previous report [32], and later in the same thread Scribblescribblescribble said that he opened a new account, and continued posting as a registered account: [33] In any case, the CU can establish whether 93.97.143.19 is Scribblescribblescribble. And since 93.97.143.19 is also Meowy, it is obvious that Meowy evaded his ban, first as an IP, and later as a registered account. Also, this tool shows the overlap of articles edited by both accounts: [34] Grand master 12:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
That's why I did not request a CU, but the person who runs the CU can check the connection between the IP and the named account for himself, without disclosing the results, even though the connection is obvious even without the CU. Grand master 12:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Another interesting observation here is that the name Scribblescribblescribble was created by the same pattern as the name of Meowy's previous CU proven sock User:Tamamtamamtamam. It is one word repeated 3 times. If something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Grand master 17:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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Yes, this looks like WP:DUCK, unfortunately for the user. Biophys ( talk) 19:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Time to change the block on user:Meowy or it will expire next month. I propose we make it indefinite. -- PBS ( talk) 18:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Just a note, since your case filing did not request a checkuser, but your summary appears to - checkuser cannot disclose connections between named accounts and IPs. TN X Man 12:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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All these people came to edit when one discussion and undoing reverts began on Tsitsernavank Monastery, Gandzasar monastery and Karabakh Khanate, Monte Melkonian. I have studied contributions of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meowy/Archive and Scribble^3. Just look at the articles Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meowy/Archive, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hetoum I/Archive and how many times these two people used puppet users, specially when they were blocked by administrative users. The contributions of blocked people look the same with the users I am reporting to you. Can you check please? Dighapet ( talk) 19:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
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Confirmed that
Mov25 is the currently-blocked
MosMusy. Also
Confirmed
Sarmatai is the topic-banned
Xebulon.
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After seeing persistent tries of the User:MosMusy to add his POV map in the article on Azerbaijan on 17 May, I conducted a quick research. Turns out his previous sock account Mov25 was blocked for an indefinite time, however, his principal account MosMusy was overlooked. I am not sure which account is principal or sock, but this person looks like a determined sockpuppet master trying to evade his block. Here are Mov25's OR and POV edits in Azerbaijan article without any sources:
After he's blocked on 8 April, he comes back on 11 April as MosMusy evading his block and reverting to his POV version again: [46]
As a reminder MosMusy has previously vandalized the page Azerbaijan with his POV and insertion of flags, maps unrelated to Azerbaijan and nationalism-inspired text such as this: after Azerbaijan suffered a humiliating defeat and its army was destroyed by the under-resourced and fewer Nagorno-Karabakh freedom fighters. Azeris are humiliated to this day by the defeat and the fact that the whole Muslim and western world supported them with Chechen and afghan mercenaries but they still lost humiliatingly. Karabakh will never be part of Azerbaijan because it is protect by The Republic of Armenia, Russia, and Iran.. Please see this POV edit, for example: [47].
You can also look at this previous edit, inspired by nationalism with insertion of Armenian flag and coat of arms in the article [48], followed by these nationalistic edits again [49] and again [50]. The user obviously resides in Wikipedia to mess up articles, create sock accounts to mess up more and evade bans. This account by itself may as well be a sock of some established user. In any case, it is used to mess up the pages with POV. Please look through the evidence and take measures. Neftchi ( talk) 21:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
MosMusy is also making grand accusations by warning on Chipmunkdavis talkpage on to expect " nationalistic opposition " from Azerbaijanis. He has not even began the talk yet he makes such accusations towards the editors on Wikipedia of that ethnic group. Neftchi ( talk) 12:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
My primary concern is that this user has extensively tried to push POV on Azerbaijan page with some sort of vandalism, he was blocked and started another sock account (Mov25) to push the same agenda - maps after which he was blocked for socking, and now he came back unblocked as MosMusy again doing the same thing - pushing POV on the same page Azerbaijan. I have been on Wikipedia for many years and my understanding was that if one account is found to be a sockpuppet account while the primary account is in block for whatever reason, the sock account gets blocked AND the primary account gets specific sanctions such as indefinite or timely topic ban, indefinite or timely block and so on. In the case of MosMusy nothing was done and with all the abundance of direct evidence he still gets away with it. How is this possible? Neftchi ( talk) 20:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
This person has been edit warring to push his POV for a long time. First he wanted to push the map of Armenia to show it as a part of Europe, which is not. Armenia geographically is not located in Europe. Azerbaijan and Georgia are by having their northeeastern and northern parts in Europe through geographical division by Greater Caucasus mountain ranges. Look at his comments to administrators preventing his POV on Armenia page: [51], [52] (assume good faith?), [53] (this diff shows he just wants to draw Azerbaijan and Georgia out too just because Armenia is not in Europe), [54], [55], [56], and these after he's being blocked for edit warring [57], [58], [59]. The person opened account Mov25 to do things he was blocked when doing as MosMusy, then he was blocked and now he came back with evasion of his blocked account Mov25 and he tries to do the same thing. Dighapet ( talk) 17:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC) Is this user the blocked user Meowy? [60] or not? Dighapet ( talk) 19:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed matches.
TN
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Man
21:55, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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I have a reason to believe that the reported editor is a sockpuppet of Meowy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Aregakn started two months before Meowy was blocked, but his editing behavior with sporadic edits, especially ones where he posts a comments and then re-edits his talk page contributions (typo fixing, rewording, re-adding signature because he forgot or because the bot did it for him, etc), strongly suggest this is the same user. The same behavioral pattern of edits in articles and talk pages have been observed in edits of his socks as well: Tamamtamamtamam blocked on Sep 16, 2009, Magotteers who was blocked on Nov 21, 2010, the IP - 93.97.143.19 he was using, which he later turned into account name Scribblescribblescribble and was at the end blocked when evidence was found in the February 2011 SPI, his Ionidasz account which he confirmed was his account when he was acting as Magoteers. More to add, his Ionidasz and Aregakn accounts stopped editing around the same time after a months long history.
Take a look at this request to comment on Aregakn's talk page and the IP 93.97.143.19 commented accordingly, which Aregakn removed today.
By the way, it's interesting that the first time his IP 93.97.143.19 was reported in January SPI, it failed to find the connection for some reason but in February one when the evidence has been exhibited in exact diff, it was proven it is the same Meowy who has been evading his block. In all cases Meowy was adamant "he was not a sock of Meowy" which has always been proven otherwise. Please check thoroughly. Neftchi ( talk) 20:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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While it is established that IP 93.97.143.19 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is the IP of the banned user Meowy, another account Kafka Liz ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) resurfaced as one making edits on AA articles, even though he's never shown any interest in Karabakh related articles. Why all of a sudden? Because it is either someone puppeting and ducking for Meowy (see proof about exchange here on an unrelated subject [61]) or it is Meowy himself not editing in the topic area but gradually entering it. He has already done that in the past with his RobertMel editor account which seems, was proved and established by the SPI on Meowy from January. Something is very suspicious. Please check. IP of Meowy should be blocked to prevent continuous socking... Neftchi ( talk) 15:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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The user Yerevanci started not very long time ago, on 27 August and seems to be experienced user. All patterns of his edits seem like edits by blocked Meowy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Many articles which User:Yerevanci began editing as soon as he came to Wikipedia are articles which Meowy edited in the past. For example:
1) the article on Whole Azerbaijan, which Meowy was interested in the past [62], [63], [64], especially the image (map) of Azerbaijan [65]. Here, Yerevanci restores the map [66] in the same article.
2) In the article Six vilayets, Meowy is involved with the name [67], and makes specific edits adding "six Armenian vilayets" [68]. Now, look what Yerevanci does [69] redirecting to the name suggested by Meowy.
3) In the article Northern Artsakh, Meowy makes edits [70], [71], [72] with POV text. The article was directed and merged to correct Gardman article, but Meowy who opposed it before now reverted and added text (from Armenian websites only) [73] . I reverted him to the version by administrator Betacommand, but he again reverted to POV version [74] with nationalist comment "why don't you redirect it??? wtf what kind of anti-Armenianism is this??? please do your work". And then he made more edits like this [75].
4) Next article is Nakhchivan which Meowy looks like was very active in: [76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83], [84], [85], [86]. As soon as Yerevanci began editing, he made this POV edit [87] too.
5) Another interest for these two users is Greater Armenia (political concept). Edits by Meowy: [88], [89], [90], [91], [92]. Edits by Yerevanci: [93], [94], [95], [96], [97], [98], [99], [100] (deleting large text), [101], [102], [103].
The edit pattern looks very similar. It is also worth mentioning that the same editing pattern was from Bars77 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who was found sockpuppet of Xebulon ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I don't know if Meowy is Xebulon, but editing patterns between three users match. After Meowy was blocked he used many sockpuppets and they were blocked. The same was seen with Xebulon. Yerevanci also acts like Xebulon because he knows soon he will be found as sockpuppet and tries to make as much POV as he can. Please take this evidence and see if these users are connected. Dighapet ( talk) 15:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Wow, see I was right these are bunch of sockpuppets. I also think Hovik95 can be the same blocked Aram-van. Look at the same edits they made:
[104] and
[105]. They use also the same language and way of editing.
Dighapet (
talk)
22:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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The reporting user did not notify User:Yerevanci of this investigation, so I took the liberty of doing so. Here is his response, copied from my talkpage:
It would seem that there is nothing shady going on between these two accounts. By the user's own admission, they are both his, but one is no longer able to be used. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 05:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there were like five different attempts to "prove" that I am someone else, and all of them were dismissed. Here is one example [107]. Users like Dighapet who file these endless SPIs should finally be held accountable for disruption since they do nothing but editwarring and shopping for blocks of accounts of their adversaries on untrue pretenses and made-up claims. Vandorenfm ( talk) 03:13, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
"not only is that is a racist comment but also a personal attack" - racist??? look at your edits. almost all of them are associated with Armenians and are being anti-Armenian. If you look at my edits, I give neutral sources, but either way you delee it. Isn't this racist???-- Yerevanci ( talk) 14:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Somebody addded me to the suspected sockpuppets list after he was not able to push his POV to an article where I disproofed all of his arguments. You can look at the dicussion here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenian_Genocide title is "personal explanaton". Similar event happened long time ago when an user was not able to push his POV on
Duduk article he started a suckpoppet investigation. I want from administrators to start the checkuser process as soon as possible. After that I want this users rights on Armenia related articles to be restricted because trying to use enforcment when you don't agree on something can be the ugliest think in a scientific board.
This is the previous sockpuppet investigation started on my account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hetoum_I/Archive#07_March_2011 please notify the suddenly stop of edits from the accuser after the investigation.
Ali55te (
talk)
08:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Answer to Vandorenfm and Yerevanci
Vandorenfm, it’s very shame, you don’t understand that it’s not only your geographical area, but it’s everything. You, Bars77 and Gorzaim edit the same articles, same editing and one edits after another stops, and one stops after another edits, and all your accounts appeared in Wikipedia and edited the same way, and where other blocked accounts left off. What coincidence? You can try very many times to say stories to other users, but administrators know better than you. Delanoy gave all details. It’s so enough to look at how many sockpuppets Hetoum I, Meowy, Aram-van and new sockpuppet or meatpuppet Xebulon used after they were blocked. I support blocking these users. They also always try to retaliate when they are reported. Look at their statements in this report and here [110] where they always try to take attention from them and direct to the people who reported them. Bad faith, Hetoum I. Dighapet ( talk) 12:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I know “Likely” can not convince you probably, but it shows that these users are likely to be connected because admins have tools that we do not have. It’s funny and irony that you speak about WP:GAMING when the people who practise that gaming are the people who are reported in this report. You compare to war criminals and I’ll compare the situation to every day criminals. When one criminals or gang leader does a crime and is in prison, and then when he continues crimes, police will always suspect him first and in many cases the same criminals are catched. Same here, sock masters continue socking and always get noticed and discovered. Dighapet ( talk) 14:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I cannot tell if any of these accounts are related to Meowy, but I think it is Unlikely that
Yerevanci (
talk ·
contribs) and
Bars77 (
talk ·
contribs) are related. However, it is
Likely that
Hovik95 (
talk
+ ·
tag ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
logs ·
filter log ·
block user ·
spi block ·
block log ·
CA ·
CheckUser(
log) ·
investigate ·
cuwiki) is related to Yerivanci (see Hovik's deleted edits for recent activity). Still, even if it is related, it appears that the Hovik account has been abandoned, so I don't know if it is worth it to pursue that.
On a more interesting note, at least to me, Bars77 apparently started right back up where he left off, with Vandorenfm ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki). This account made edits from the same IP as Bars77, starting only 20 minutes after the autoblock expired. 30 minutes after that, he began revert-warring on the same page that Bars77 was before he got blocked. I am only giving this much information because the Vandorenfm account has been around for much longer than the Bars77 one has. I at first was not sure if I should say that these accounts are related, but all of the above happening with two users on the same IP address and with the same user agent just seemed way too much to be a coincidence. J.delanoy gabs adds 05:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
This sockpuppet completely removed a well sourced text in here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenia_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations&curid=15961619&diff=451924399&oldid=443459702
and he is the sock of Meowy. His previous sock was blocked because he socked when this account was blocked. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Meowy/Archive#Clerk.2C_CheckUser.2C_and.2For_patrolling_admin_comments_4 NovaSkola ( talk) 00:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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The SPI that you cite states that MosMusy is the same as Mov25. This has been well established in the past (see also here). No solid connection was ever established to Meowy owing to the fact that the account is stale: "Sorry, I moved the case and it probally [sic] caused issues. This confirms Mov25 = MosMusy. This also confirms Mov25 = MosMusy. That is all that has been checked, and all that is checkable." ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 00:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Here we go again. The resurrection of Meowy with new simultaneous accounts. Please see InTheRevolution2 account along with identically named accounts Winterbliss and Winter Gaze. The first was created a few weeks earlier and the last two were created during the same period of time with difference of two days. If you take a look at the timelines of their edit history, you will come to conclusion that the puppeteer is using these three accounts to edit on the same subjects (or to invest into one or two accounts to create contribution history to heavily edit from them later in case the third account will be blocked), perhaps, with an internet access being used from two or three close locations. Let's see some examples on the same days:
All three accounts have made edits related to Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Azerbaijan/Armenia such as [116], [117], [118], [119], [120]. The bottom line is that these three accounts were created with the purpose of evading the block of Meowy and edit-warring on AA2-related subjects. The plan evidently is to create as many sock accounts, make minor edits (all their edits are minor such as adding/removing categories, fixing typos, adding/removing one or two sentences) from them on AA2-unrelated subjects thus creating an impression that these are genuine accounts when and if admins look at them (like now) and then start alternating these accounts while edit-warring. It's very obvious that Winterbliss is the first account used to edit war and if it were to be reported or indefinitely blocked, WinterGaze and/or InTheRevolution would step in to continue.
There are also two elements of suspicious behavior by these accounts resembling Meowy and his socks:
Take a look at his first edit on his page saying that he forgot his password to his previous account InTheRevolution which made only three edits in his lifetime, apparently trying to mislead other editors disguising the fact that he's actually a new account. For a comparison, please see the same behavior exhibited by Meowy's blocked sock, Magotteers who always forgets his passwords.
An account RobertMel had been previously found related to Meowy and his sock Magoteers on January 3. If we look at short editing activity of RobertMel, we will see that he edited on the same subjects as these socks such as biochemistry or biology. Please compare with [121].
I added Kafka Liz who had been reported once under Meowy but declined. However, with new evidence, it is clear that he is either a sock or a duck editing on behalf of Meowy. Please see this message from MarshallBagramyan, apparently in an off-Wiki coordination.
Please consider taking a look at these accounts based on the above evidence. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 16:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
HelloAnnyong and William H, thanks for checking the users. I understand the first three are not technically interrelated, but are any of them related to these puppeteers: Hetoum I, Xebulon, Paligun, Andranikpasha? The reason I ask is because these are frequent comebacks with either new accounts or IPs.
Gentlemen, Kafka Liz may not be a sock but the account has been in the same "battlefields" with Meowy during the same timeframes and with the same type of edits on close 60 articles. If needed, I can provide diffs. And the suspicion arose when, as I had mentioned above, it became evident that Meowy communicates off-wiki with Kafka Liz and MarshallBagramyan. No one would question any off-wiki communication if the subject of their edits were non-controversial but since they pertain to AA2, it's worth looking into it. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 19:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
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I'm not precisely sure why my name has been included here. MarshallBagramyan ( talk · contribs) alerted me to the existence of this thread. I seldom edit Armenian articles, and I don't believe I've ever edited Nagorno-Karabakh, although I do sometimes work on certain Turkey-related articles. I have corresponded with Meowy ( talk · contribs), but on a personal matter related neither to Armenia nor Wikipedia. Thanks, Kafka Liz ( talk) 20:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Tuscumbia: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 00:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Re "are any of them related to these puppeteers": Checkuser is not for fishing. If you can present actual evidence other than "they make edits that I don't like and it makes me mad so I want to harass them with SPIs on the offhand chance that they will turn up to be the same people", then maybe a new Checkuser might be in order. Otherwise, your invocation of phantom sockpuppeteers is borderline disruptive. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 05:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
First off, although the SPI check seems to have not been affirmative about Yerevanci being Meowy, I am filing it under Meowy since his two other socks User:Mov25 and MosMusy were found related. The evidence derives from the similarities in POV pushing of these two accounts in specific fields such as maps. In his first edits, MosMusy simply vandalized the pages by replacing Azerbaijani flags, coat of arms and maps with Armenian ( [122], [123], [124]). His later re-appearance on the article Azerbaijan included replacing maps [125] with the POV one he created himself to highlight the separatist regime within the borders of Azerbaijan. The push for display of "de-facto independent state" was both practised by MosMusy [126], [127], [128], [129], his sock Mov25 [130], [131] (here he just displays the map created by the master account MosMusy), and Yerevanci: [132], [133].
Yerevanci has been recently adding maps he created [134], [135], [136], [137].
Both seem to be proficient in Photoshop or whichever tool they use to create maps; both forget to leave edit summaries most of the time (eg. [138], [139], [140], [141], or [142], [143], [144], [145], [146] and both have not mentioned their usage of alternative accounts (socks?) until found related: [147] ( found related to User:MosMusy) and [148] ( found related to Hovik95).
It's unclear whether it is Meowy who operates these accounts or not, but the similarities in specific articles, editing patterns and behavior are abundant. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 16:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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Unrelated to
MosMusy and the others are stale. —
Coren
(talk)
16:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
The first IP just changed the text [149] back to Meowy's edits, literally minutes after being warned by the mediator. They also share edits to the page of a particular user - [150], [151].
Wikiboer for his part has been similarly visiting the Khojaly Massacre page in the past months [152], just like Meowy [153], who apparently has already been been placed under some kind of restrictions on Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles. They also extensively edit Nagorno-Karabakh article and forum, there are just too many to cite.
The two users also show interest in Assyrians and subjects like genocide. Wikiboer edited Assyrian Genocide talk page [154], [155]. So did Meowy, [156].
Lastly, they all share the same confrontational attitude and try to bring Armenia/Armenian origins of various things to the pages, regardless their factual merits. Meowy insists on the talk:Georgian Orthodox Church that it originated from the Armenian church. Wikiboer has similarly insisted that the site of the Georgian Orthodox Sameba Cathedral is of Armenian origin and built on top of Armenian graves [157]. He champions the "pro-Armenian" cause also on the Tbilisi page, with equally confrontational edit summaries [158]. Krosenstern ( talk) 19:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Considering that Meowy is being accused of stalking by me and at least another user - [159] [160]- and he is also warned about Armenia-Azerbaijan topics, I think this is all worth checking out.
UPDATE I just added user:rast5 because Meowy suddenly continued a name dispute on George Balanchine page started by blocked user Rast5 last year. Again, in this case we are also dealing with a dispute over one's Georgian origin, just like in case of Sameba Cathedral construction grounds and the Georgian Orthodox Church.-- Krosenstern ( talk) 23:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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For the record, Wikiboer was run through a checkuser earlier this year and found to be clean. The IP, though, shows up numerous times in the archive and has been blocked thrice before for being used as a sock. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 19:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Update Well, as usual, Meowy completely ignores the evidence pressed upon him and instead seems to accuse Wesley of controlling my account, which is a distraction. Feel free to run a check and see if I have anything to do with his account. I have the right to receive his advice, especially when you are so eager to run over newcomers with hostility that you have shown to me on the Georgian Orthodox Church page.-- Krosenstern ( talk) 23:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
The behavioural evidence provided by Krosenstern can hardly be called "evidence" at all. Users on a particular side of a polarising ethnic dispute have similar POVs and edit similar articles? What an utter shock! Alert the authorities!
On a more serious note, I ran the users listed through wikichecker: Meowy Wikiboer Rast5. The results aren't convincing. None of the accounts' editing patterns are really very similar to each other—Meowy would have to be up 24 hours a day to operate the Wikiboer account. Furthermore, Meowy and Gazifikator (the sockmaster for Rast5) have completely different editing patterns. I think it extremely unlikely that any of the accounts are the same person, but the link between Meowy and Rast5 is essentially none, as far as I can tell.
I'd also like to remind the submitter that he has not shown the courtesy of notifying Wikiboer of this investigation and should do so. It is rude to leave parties in the dark about things like this. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 23:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
First of all, Rast5 is Stale and thus has no technical data available for comparison. Secondly, checkusers generally do not disclose connections between IPs and named accounts. So that leaves us with Wikiboer and Meowy. Leaving aside all of the petty bickering, I don't see any concrete evidence that these accounts are operated by the same person. What I do see is two accounts that share a general interest in this topic area -and judging by the comments above, it's a pretty popular/contentious topic. Unless you can demonstrate more than a shared interest in Armenia-Azerbaijan articles, I'll mark this for close later today.
TN
X
Man
15:03, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
On 29 June 2012 Meowy was blocked for 1 week for the violation of editing restrictions: [168] The account of Dechrwr was created on July 1, 2012, only 1 day after Meowy was blocked. While Dechrwr has only 21 edits to date, wikistalk shows that he edits the same Armenia-Azerbaijan related pages that Meowy edited: [169] Out of 4 pages edited by Dechrwr 3 were previously edited by Meowy, of which Caucasian Albanian alphabet and Artsakh were very recently last edited by Meowy, after which the new account Dechrwr picked up where Meowy left off. Meowy is known to have used sock accounts many times before to evade his ban, which could be seen from his long blocks for sock puppetry, and the account of Dechrwr appears to be another similar attempt. Grand master 11:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that is clearly someone who has edited before. Grand master 18:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Um, this is the first time I've ever edited anything in Wikipedia. I have only ever created one Wikipedia account...this one, Dechrwr. I spent a lot of time putting these sources in and cleaning up those articles. Sure, those are still not finished products, but I think you'd have to agree that those articles are in better shape now. Honestly, if my work gets deleted because of random suspicions, whatever. I do have better things to do with my time than update Wikipedia, which isn't helping me build a career.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs)
Oh yeah, if you have any suggestions about how to make the table of Catholicoi I put into the "Church of Caucasian Albania" article at the end better, please let me know. You can email me at dechrwr-hotmail, and perhaps point me to another article with a more polished table, and I can use the .html-like source code from the Edit page on that other Wikipedia page to polish up the List of Catholicoi on the Church of Caucasian Albania page. What would be even more interesting would be if you could take a look at the Dowsett source I used for that table, read the article and the information in it, see how I presented it, and make suggestions for the table on the Wikipedia page or edit the table yourself. I tried to be minimal and not add anything, but the combination of sporadic specified years, and length of service for other catholicoi, could be analyzed to come up with a more detailed time line with exact years calculated from a thorough analysis of the information in that article. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 18:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
You know, on the bright side, I guess I should feel like it's a compliment that you guys think I've edited before? Seriously, though, did GrandMaster bother to compare more than time-of-activity information? Did he bother to compare the substance of what I've contributed with the substance (or likely mostly lack thereof) of whoever it was in the past he is suspicious of? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Um, actually, this is my first account, and my first time ever editing Wikipedia. Sorry to disappoint you dude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I have zero programming skills. I've made two attempts in my life to use .html to make websites, neither of which was very impressive. This Wikipedia stuff is not difficult, though I'm sure there's much more for me to learn. I'm curious why you think that table is difficult. All I had to do was go to the auto-create table option from the top menu bar, see what it inserted, and copy and paste two lines within the code to make the appropriate number of lines and then fill in the blanks. If you think that's difficult, then either this Wikipedia code is really easy and I'm already near the top level of skill, or you also have much more to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the evidence. This account is editing from a different continent compared to Meowy. However, I'm reluctant to accept that it's a new user. WilliamH ( talk) 16:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me but a cu might be able to verify that.
Beeblebrox (
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21:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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After Meowy was banned indefinetly on 27 August 2012, on 30 March 2014 Tiptoethrutheminefield registered editing exactly same areas. Both of them focus on Armenia related articles extensively, promoting Armenian POV, and on Eastern Europe related articles they both have pro-Russian attitude.
What makes the case more interesting is that in his talk page Tiptoethrutheminefield explains the series of events led to block of ( user:Russavia) from September 2009 to another user stating the block was unfair. However, back in those days he was not on Wikipedia at all, Tiptoethrutheminefield registered on 30 March 2014. So clearly it seems he was on Wikipedia and involved with specific cases. Indeed, Meowy and Russavia were editing same areas in line with each other. For instance, the article “Georgia for Georgians” which mostly tries to justify separatist movements in Georgia and created with a pro-Russian manner by Russavia on 14 September 2008. Meowy collaborated with Russavia and edited the page several times [194] [195] [196] [197] [198]. Once both Meowy and Russavia blocked this time Tiptoethrutheminefield started to edit [199] page with exactly same attitude and after AFD nomination and delete result he kept it as a user draft see User:Tiptoethrutheminefield/Georgia for Georgians. Abbatai 18:56, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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This case is Stale. CU declined.--
Bbb23 (
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19:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
To date the user:Onlyoneanswer has only ever edit pages which user:Meowy has edited and on the talk pages has always supported Meowy's POV. The very first page edited by Onlyoneanswer was Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-03-01/Mehmed Talat( Revision as of 23:11, 14 March 2009). Not the usual sort of page on which a new user makes their first edit, or the type of edit that a new user makes, and it was made less than 2 hours after user:Meowy said on that page "Don't ask me. I think I've said all I need to say, and I do not want to become involved in this invalid "mediation" process" [1]
More recently user:Onlyoneanswer has reverted an edit to Genocides in history, which is the same edit that user:Meowy had reverted a number of times and which was after I pointed out to user:Meowy that edits such as these edit were in violation of an arbcom restriction an this follow up comment.
By commenting in the section talk:genocides in history#Azerbaijani Khojaly, user:Onlyoneanswer has prevented user:Joebobby1985 from using the Wikipedia:Third opinion to help resolve the dispute, which was advise I had given user:Joebobby1985 (a relatively new editor) on their talk page -- PBS ( talk) 12:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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Based on behavior alone these two accounts are related. As such I've indef'd the sock, and blocked the master account with a warning for 3 days. —— nix eagle email me 17:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Meowy ( talk · contribs) was banned for 1 year and has been previously socking through Tamamtamamtamam ( talk · contribs). The account of Ionidasz, which popped out some time after, WP:DUCKs in several ways. An interesting feature is the pattern of edit summaries: Ionidasz puts a full stop in nearly every edit summary, capitalizing initial letters of separate sentences, just like Meowy. In this sense both accounts show some love for tidying: [2] and [3] for example.
Here Ionidasz comes to partially recover the version of 88.232.192.190. This and all other IPs above point to Turkey with 81.214.144.172 repeatedly showing the aforementioned traits in edit summaries. Recently Ionidasz revealed that he has some "primary account". Brandmeister t] 00:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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Note that this followed after I gave my opinion to another user that Brandmeister should be reported. I have been checkusered already with two different user and just with how much more users I should be checked with? I can show him to be that user by using the same poor quality evidences. Ionidasz ( talk) 01:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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Suspicious newly registered user. Jumped right into the heat of debate. Same for IP 78.86.151.248. Genuine contirbutors normally start with contributing to the encyclopedia, not entering a current heated debate. Either socks or a ducks of a blocked user. Please check. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 17:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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For some time these four accounts have been active in editing articles in Wikipedia, more active though after blocking of Magotteers, the sockpuppet of a banned User Meowy. The first three were limited to more or less specific articles such as Culture of Nagorno-Karabakh (just engaged in revert wars: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], further on, some reverts were supported by the other reported accounts Oliveriki (eg. [15], [16]), Vandorenfm (eg. [17]) which were apparently created for the sole purpose of avoiding 3RR and other restrictions) and Zar, Azerbaijan (with both Xebulon and IP 93.97.143.19 alternating [18]), whereas Xebulon became more active in the last few days and the latter one (IP 93.97.143.19) has been passionately editing the same articles and subject that User Meowy had been in the past. The behavioral pattern, character of edits is strikingly similar. The previous socks of Meowy User:Ionidasz and User:Magotteers had the same exact behavioral pattern. Meowy actually confirmed through his Magotteers account that he also was Ionidacz, and confirmed he had used sock accounts in the past all along (Please see [19]). So, there is no doubt that these accounts are closely related to the same person. Xebulon and Oliveriki might not be logged in from the same IP but they certainly quack like a duck.
I am not sure how much Meowy is Hetoum I, and how much these two banned users are related, but it was also confirmed by an administrator here [20] that it's apparently the same sockpuppeteer of many accounts. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 19:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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Is there a jaw-drop smillie available to place here? If there was, I'd add it. I'd add a whole row of them to give the full effect of my surprise! Who the h-e-l-l is/are Xebulon, Oliveriki, Vandorenfm, Magotteers, et al? I am NONE of these people! I haven't even seen any of those names in any edit histories or talk pages of articles I have edited. I suggest that Tuscumbia's real reason for this is that I have recently added some material that he has objected to, most especially to the List_of_Armenian_churches_in_Nakhchivan article, and rather than either accept the material as valid (which it all is), or counter with legitimate arguments, he has chosen to take this route. I admit I went to that article after being concerned about his edits elsewhere and noticed he had made past edits to it too, so I was following him about somewhat (though there is nothing wrong in that) so Tuscumbia could have found my actions to be annoying and aggressive, directed at him alone (but they are not). Administrators, please check through all the content edits I have made and try to find anything objectionable in them - I am certain you will find nothing. About all you will find dubious is a talk page comment in which I was trying to be ironical. 93.97.143.19 ( talk) 18:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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I believe that currently banned Meowy ( talk · contribs) runs all or at least one of the aforementioned socks, judging by similar eloquent edit summaries of Gorzaim, Vandorenfm and partially Aram-van. One of the pages of interest is Caucasian Albania ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), where Gorzaim (whose activity is focused on Caucasian Albania) is backed by Vandorenfm (the latter reverts to the same version). Here Gorzaim recovers Aram-van's edit in image caption. Meowy's previous socks include Tamamtamamtamam ( talk · contribs) with the most recent suspected one being Scribblescribblescribble ( talk · contribs) (currently sleeping). Still, I don't exclude the possibility that the sockmaster is actually someone else. Meatpuppetry seems to be unlikely in my opinion, but this is left for further judgement. Twilightchill t 21:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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The previous reports on Meowy were inconclusive, as Meowy's account was stale. However there's a clear evidence that the IP 93.97.143.19 belongs to Meowy: [29] This is also of interest: [30] This IP continued editing after Meowy was blocked for 1 year: [31] The IP posted in the previous report [32], and later in the same thread Scribblescribblescribble said that he opened a new account, and continued posting as a registered account: [33] In any case, the CU can establish whether 93.97.143.19 is Scribblescribblescribble. And since 93.97.143.19 is also Meowy, it is obvious that Meowy evaded his ban, first as an IP, and later as a registered account. Also, this tool shows the overlap of articles edited by both accounts: [34] Grand master 12:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
That's why I did not request a CU, but the person who runs the CU can check the connection between the IP and the named account for himself, without disclosing the results, even though the connection is obvious even without the CU. Grand master 12:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Another interesting observation here is that the name Scribblescribblescribble was created by the same pattern as the name of Meowy's previous CU proven sock User:Tamamtamamtamam. It is one word repeated 3 times. If something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Grand master 17:14, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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Yes, this looks like WP:DUCK, unfortunately for the user. Biophys ( talk) 19:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Time to change the block on user:Meowy or it will expire next month. I propose we make it indefinite. -- PBS ( talk) 18:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Just a note, since your case filing did not request a checkuser, but your summary appears to - checkuser cannot disclose connections between named accounts and IPs. TN X Man 12:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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All these people came to edit when one discussion and undoing reverts began on Tsitsernavank Monastery, Gandzasar monastery and Karabakh Khanate, Monte Melkonian. I have studied contributions of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meowy/Archive and Scribble^3. Just look at the articles Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meowy/Archive, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hetoum I/Archive and how many times these two people used puppet users, specially when they were blocked by administrative users. The contributions of blocked people look the same with the users I am reporting to you. Can you check please? Dighapet ( talk) 19:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
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Confirmed that
Mov25 is the currently-blocked
MosMusy. Also
Confirmed
Sarmatai is the topic-banned
Xebulon.
Dominic·
t
06:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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After seeing persistent tries of the User:MosMusy to add his POV map in the article on Azerbaijan on 17 May, I conducted a quick research. Turns out his previous sock account Mov25 was blocked for an indefinite time, however, his principal account MosMusy was overlooked. I am not sure which account is principal or sock, but this person looks like a determined sockpuppet master trying to evade his block. Here are Mov25's OR and POV edits in Azerbaijan article without any sources:
After he's blocked on 8 April, he comes back on 11 April as MosMusy evading his block and reverting to his POV version again: [46]
As a reminder MosMusy has previously vandalized the page Azerbaijan with his POV and insertion of flags, maps unrelated to Azerbaijan and nationalism-inspired text such as this: after Azerbaijan suffered a humiliating defeat and its army was destroyed by the under-resourced and fewer Nagorno-Karabakh freedom fighters. Azeris are humiliated to this day by the defeat and the fact that the whole Muslim and western world supported them with Chechen and afghan mercenaries but they still lost humiliatingly. Karabakh will never be part of Azerbaijan because it is protect by The Republic of Armenia, Russia, and Iran.. Please see this POV edit, for example: [47].
You can also look at this previous edit, inspired by nationalism with insertion of Armenian flag and coat of arms in the article [48], followed by these nationalistic edits again [49] and again [50]. The user obviously resides in Wikipedia to mess up articles, create sock accounts to mess up more and evade bans. This account by itself may as well be a sock of some established user. In any case, it is used to mess up the pages with POV. Please look through the evidence and take measures. Neftchi ( talk) 21:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
MosMusy is also making grand accusations by warning on Chipmunkdavis talkpage on to expect " nationalistic opposition " from Azerbaijanis. He has not even began the talk yet he makes such accusations towards the editors on Wikipedia of that ethnic group. Neftchi ( talk) 12:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
My primary concern is that this user has extensively tried to push POV on Azerbaijan page with some sort of vandalism, he was blocked and started another sock account (Mov25) to push the same agenda - maps after which he was blocked for socking, and now he came back unblocked as MosMusy again doing the same thing - pushing POV on the same page Azerbaijan. I have been on Wikipedia for many years and my understanding was that if one account is found to be a sockpuppet account while the primary account is in block for whatever reason, the sock account gets blocked AND the primary account gets specific sanctions such as indefinite or timely topic ban, indefinite or timely block and so on. In the case of MosMusy nothing was done and with all the abundance of direct evidence he still gets away with it. How is this possible? Neftchi ( talk) 20:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
This person has been edit warring to push his POV for a long time. First he wanted to push the map of Armenia to show it as a part of Europe, which is not. Armenia geographically is not located in Europe. Azerbaijan and Georgia are by having their northeeastern and northern parts in Europe through geographical division by Greater Caucasus mountain ranges. Look at his comments to administrators preventing his POV on Armenia page: [51], [52] (assume good faith?), [53] (this diff shows he just wants to draw Azerbaijan and Georgia out too just because Armenia is not in Europe), [54], [55], [56], and these after he's being blocked for edit warring [57], [58], [59]. The person opened account Mov25 to do things he was blocked when doing as MosMusy, then he was blocked and now he came back with evasion of his blocked account Mov25 and he tries to do the same thing. Dighapet ( talk) 17:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC) Is this user the blocked user Meowy? [60] or not? Dighapet ( talk) 19:06, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed matches.
TN
X
Man
21:55, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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I have a reason to believe that the reported editor is a sockpuppet of Meowy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Aregakn started two months before Meowy was blocked, but his editing behavior with sporadic edits, especially ones where he posts a comments and then re-edits his talk page contributions (typo fixing, rewording, re-adding signature because he forgot or because the bot did it for him, etc), strongly suggest this is the same user. The same behavioral pattern of edits in articles and talk pages have been observed in edits of his socks as well: Tamamtamamtamam blocked on Sep 16, 2009, Magotteers who was blocked on Nov 21, 2010, the IP - 93.97.143.19 he was using, which he later turned into account name Scribblescribblescribble and was at the end blocked when evidence was found in the February 2011 SPI, his Ionidasz account which he confirmed was his account when he was acting as Magoteers. More to add, his Ionidasz and Aregakn accounts stopped editing around the same time after a months long history.
Take a look at this request to comment on Aregakn's talk page and the IP 93.97.143.19 commented accordingly, which Aregakn removed today.
By the way, it's interesting that the first time his IP 93.97.143.19 was reported in January SPI, it failed to find the connection for some reason but in February one when the evidence has been exhibited in exact diff, it was proven it is the same Meowy who has been evading his block. In all cases Meowy was adamant "he was not a sock of Meowy" which has always been proven otherwise. Please check thoroughly. Neftchi ( talk) 20:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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While it is established that IP 93.97.143.19 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is the IP of the banned user Meowy, another account Kafka Liz ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) resurfaced as one making edits on AA articles, even though he's never shown any interest in Karabakh related articles. Why all of a sudden? Because it is either someone puppeting and ducking for Meowy (see proof about exchange here on an unrelated subject [61]) or it is Meowy himself not editing in the topic area but gradually entering it. He has already done that in the past with his RobertMel editor account which seems, was proved and established by the SPI on Meowy from January. Something is very suspicious. Please check. IP of Meowy should be blocked to prevent continuous socking... Neftchi ( talk) 15:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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The user Yerevanci started not very long time ago, on 27 August and seems to be experienced user. All patterns of his edits seem like edits by blocked Meowy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Many articles which User:Yerevanci began editing as soon as he came to Wikipedia are articles which Meowy edited in the past. For example:
1) the article on Whole Azerbaijan, which Meowy was interested in the past [62], [63], [64], especially the image (map) of Azerbaijan [65]. Here, Yerevanci restores the map [66] in the same article.
2) In the article Six vilayets, Meowy is involved with the name [67], and makes specific edits adding "six Armenian vilayets" [68]. Now, look what Yerevanci does [69] redirecting to the name suggested by Meowy.
3) In the article Northern Artsakh, Meowy makes edits [70], [71], [72] with POV text. The article was directed and merged to correct Gardman article, but Meowy who opposed it before now reverted and added text (from Armenian websites only) [73] . I reverted him to the version by administrator Betacommand, but he again reverted to POV version [74] with nationalist comment "why don't you redirect it??? wtf what kind of anti-Armenianism is this??? please do your work". And then he made more edits like this [75].
4) Next article is Nakhchivan which Meowy looks like was very active in: [76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83], [84], [85], [86]. As soon as Yerevanci began editing, he made this POV edit [87] too.
5) Another interest for these two users is Greater Armenia (political concept). Edits by Meowy: [88], [89], [90], [91], [92]. Edits by Yerevanci: [93], [94], [95], [96], [97], [98], [99], [100] (deleting large text), [101], [102], [103].
The edit pattern looks very similar. It is also worth mentioning that the same editing pattern was from Bars77 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) who was found sockpuppet of Xebulon ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I don't know if Meowy is Xebulon, but editing patterns between three users match. After Meowy was blocked he used many sockpuppets and they were blocked. The same was seen with Xebulon. Yerevanci also acts like Xebulon because he knows soon he will be found as sockpuppet and tries to make as much POV as he can. Please take this evidence and see if these users are connected. Dighapet ( talk) 15:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Wow, see I was right these are bunch of sockpuppets. I also think Hovik95 can be the same blocked Aram-van. Look at the same edits they made:
[104] and
[105]. They use also the same language and way of editing.
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The reporting user did not notify User:Yerevanci of this investigation, so I took the liberty of doing so. Here is his response, copied from my talkpage:
It would seem that there is nothing shady going on between these two accounts. By the user's own admission, they are both his, but one is no longer able to be used. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 05:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there were like five different attempts to "prove" that I am someone else, and all of them were dismissed. Here is one example [107]. Users like Dighapet who file these endless SPIs should finally be held accountable for disruption since they do nothing but editwarring and shopping for blocks of accounts of their adversaries on untrue pretenses and made-up claims. Vandorenfm ( talk) 03:13, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
"not only is that is a racist comment but also a personal attack" - racist??? look at your edits. almost all of them are associated with Armenians and are being anti-Armenian. If you look at my edits, I give neutral sources, but either way you delee it. Isn't this racist???-- Yerevanci ( talk) 14:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Somebody addded me to the suspected sockpuppets list after he was not able to push his POV to an article where I disproofed all of his arguments. You can look at the dicussion here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Armenian_Genocide title is "personal explanaton". Similar event happened long time ago when an user was not able to push his POV on
Duduk article he started a suckpoppet investigation. I want from administrators to start the checkuser process as soon as possible. After that I want this users rights on Armenia related articles to be restricted because trying to use enforcment when you don't agree on something can be the ugliest think in a scientific board.
This is the previous sockpuppet investigation started on my account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hetoum_I/Archive#07_March_2011 please notify the suddenly stop of edits from the accuser after the investigation.
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08:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Answer to Vandorenfm and Yerevanci
Vandorenfm, it’s very shame, you don’t understand that it’s not only your geographical area, but it’s everything. You, Bars77 and Gorzaim edit the same articles, same editing and one edits after another stops, and one stops after another edits, and all your accounts appeared in Wikipedia and edited the same way, and where other blocked accounts left off. What coincidence? You can try very many times to say stories to other users, but administrators know better than you. Delanoy gave all details. It’s so enough to look at how many sockpuppets Hetoum I, Meowy, Aram-van and new sockpuppet or meatpuppet Xebulon used after they were blocked. I support blocking these users. They also always try to retaliate when they are reported. Look at their statements in this report and here [110] where they always try to take attention from them and direct to the people who reported them. Bad faith, Hetoum I. Dighapet ( talk) 12:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I know “Likely” can not convince you probably, but it shows that these users are likely to be connected because admins have tools that we do not have. It’s funny and irony that you speak about WP:GAMING when the people who practise that gaming are the people who are reported in this report. You compare to war criminals and I’ll compare the situation to every day criminals. When one criminals or gang leader does a crime and is in prison, and then when he continues crimes, police will always suspect him first and in many cases the same criminals are catched. Same here, sock masters continue socking and always get noticed and discovered. Dighapet ( talk) 14:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I cannot tell if any of these accounts are related to Meowy, but I think it is Unlikely that
Yerevanci (
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Bars77 (
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Likely that
Hovik95 (
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cuwiki) is related to Yerivanci (see Hovik's deleted edits for recent activity). Still, even if it is related, it appears that the Hovik account has been abandoned, so I don't know if it is worth it to pursue that.
On a more interesting note, at least to me, Bars77 apparently started right back up where he left off, with Vandorenfm ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki). This account made edits from the same IP as Bars77, starting only 20 minutes after the autoblock expired. 30 minutes after that, he began revert-warring on the same page that Bars77 was before he got blocked. I am only giving this much information because the Vandorenfm account has been around for much longer than the Bars77 one has. I at first was not sure if I should say that these accounts are related, but all of the above happening with two users on the same IP address and with the same user agent just seemed way too much to be a coincidence. J.delanoy gabs adds 05:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
This sockpuppet completely removed a well sourced text in here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenia_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations&curid=15961619&diff=451924399&oldid=443459702
and he is the sock of Meowy. His previous sock was blocked because he socked when this account was blocked. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Meowy/Archive#Clerk.2C_CheckUser.2C_and.2For_patrolling_admin_comments_4 NovaSkola ( talk) 00:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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The SPI that you cite states that MosMusy is the same as Mov25. This has been well established in the past (see also here). No solid connection was ever established to Meowy owing to the fact that the account is stale: "Sorry, I moved the case and it probally [sic] caused issues. This confirms Mov25 = MosMusy. This also confirms Mov25 = MosMusy. That is all that has been checked, and all that is checkable." ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 00:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Here we go again. The resurrection of Meowy with new simultaneous accounts. Please see InTheRevolution2 account along with identically named accounts Winterbliss and Winter Gaze. The first was created a few weeks earlier and the last two were created during the same period of time with difference of two days. If you take a look at the timelines of their edit history, you will come to conclusion that the puppeteer is using these three accounts to edit on the same subjects (or to invest into one or two accounts to create contribution history to heavily edit from them later in case the third account will be blocked), perhaps, with an internet access being used from two or three close locations. Let's see some examples on the same days:
All three accounts have made edits related to Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Azerbaijan/Armenia such as [116], [117], [118], [119], [120]. The bottom line is that these three accounts were created with the purpose of evading the block of Meowy and edit-warring on AA2-related subjects. The plan evidently is to create as many sock accounts, make minor edits (all their edits are minor such as adding/removing categories, fixing typos, adding/removing one or two sentences) from them on AA2-unrelated subjects thus creating an impression that these are genuine accounts when and if admins look at them (like now) and then start alternating these accounts while edit-warring. It's very obvious that Winterbliss is the first account used to edit war and if it were to be reported or indefinitely blocked, WinterGaze and/or InTheRevolution would step in to continue.
There are also two elements of suspicious behavior by these accounts resembling Meowy and his socks:
Take a look at his first edit on his page saying that he forgot his password to his previous account InTheRevolution which made only three edits in his lifetime, apparently trying to mislead other editors disguising the fact that he's actually a new account. For a comparison, please see the same behavior exhibited by Meowy's blocked sock, Magotteers who always forgets his passwords.
An account RobertMel had been previously found related to Meowy and his sock Magoteers on January 3. If we look at short editing activity of RobertMel, we will see that he edited on the same subjects as these socks such as biochemistry or biology. Please compare with [121].
I added Kafka Liz who had been reported once under Meowy but declined. However, with new evidence, it is clear that he is either a sock or a duck editing on behalf of Meowy. Please see this message from MarshallBagramyan, apparently in an off-Wiki coordination.
Please consider taking a look at these accounts based on the above evidence. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 16:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
HelloAnnyong and William H, thanks for checking the users. I understand the first three are not technically interrelated, but are any of them related to these puppeteers: Hetoum I, Xebulon, Paligun, Andranikpasha? The reason I ask is because these are frequent comebacks with either new accounts or IPs.
Gentlemen, Kafka Liz may not be a sock but the account has been in the same "battlefields" with Meowy during the same timeframes and with the same type of edits on close 60 articles. If needed, I can provide diffs. And the suspicion arose when, as I had mentioned above, it became evident that Meowy communicates off-wiki with Kafka Liz and MarshallBagramyan. No one would question any off-wiki communication if the subject of their edits were non-controversial but since they pertain to AA2, it's worth looking into it. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 19:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
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I'm not precisely sure why my name has been included here. MarshallBagramyan ( talk · contribs) alerted me to the existence of this thread. I seldom edit Armenian articles, and I don't believe I've ever edited Nagorno-Karabakh, although I do sometimes work on certain Turkey-related articles. I have corresponded with Meowy ( talk · contribs), but on a personal matter related neither to Armenia nor Wikipedia. Thanks, Kafka Liz ( talk) 20:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Dear Tuscumbia: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 00:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Re "are any of them related to these puppeteers": Checkuser is not for fishing. If you can present actual evidence other than "they make edits that I don't like and it makes me mad so I want to harass them with SPIs on the offhand chance that they will turn up to be the same people", then maybe a new Checkuser might be in order. Otherwise, your invocation of phantom sockpuppeteers is borderline disruptive. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 05:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
First off, although the SPI check seems to have not been affirmative about Yerevanci being Meowy, I am filing it under Meowy since his two other socks User:Mov25 and MosMusy were found related. The evidence derives from the similarities in POV pushing of these two accounts in specific fields such as maps. In his first edits, MosMusy simply vandalized the pages by replacing Azerbaijani flags, coat of arms and maps with Armenian ( [122], [123], [124]). His later re-appearance on the article Azerbaijan included replacing maps [125] with the POV one he created himself to highlight the separatist regime within the borders of Azerbaijan. The push for display of "de-facto independent state" was both practised by MosMusy [126], [127], [128], [129], his sock Mov25 [130], [131] (here he just displays the map created by the master account MosMusy), and Yerevanci: [132], [133].
Yerevanci has been recently adding maps he created [134], [135], [136], [137].
Both seem to be proficient in Photoshop or whichever tool they use to create maps; both forget to leave edit summaries most of the time (eg. [138], [139], [140], [141], or [142], [143], [144], [145], [146] and both have not mentioned their usage of alternative accounts (socks?) until found related: [147] ( found related to User:MosMusy) and [148] ( found related to Hovik95).
It's unclear whether it is Meowy who operates these accounts or not, but the similarities in specific articles, editing patterns and behavior are abundant. Thank you! Tuscumbia ( talk) 16:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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Unrelated to
MosMusy and the others are stale. —
Coren
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16:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
The first IP just changed the text [149] back to Meowy's edits, literally minutes after being warned by the mediator. They also share edits to the page of a particular user - [150], [151].
Wikiboer for his part has been similarly visiting the Khojaly Massacre page in the past months [152], just like Meowy [153], who apparently has already been been placed under some kind of restrictions on Armenia-Azerbaijan related articles. They also extensively edit Nagorno-Karabakh article and forum, there are just too many to cite.
The two users also show interest in Assyrians and subjects like genocide. Wikiboer edited Assyrian Genocide talk page [154], [155]. So did Meowy, [156].
Lastly, they all share the same confrontational attitude and try to bring Armenia/Armenian origins of various things to the pages, regardless their factual merits. Meowy insists on the talk:Georgian Orthodox Church that it originated from the Armenian church. Wikiboer has similarly insisted that the site of the Georgian Orthodox Sameba Cathedral is of Armenian origin and built on top of Armenian graves [157]. He champions the "pro-Armenian" cause also on the Tbilisi page, with equally confrontational edit summaries [158]. Krosenstern ( talk) 19:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Considering that Meowy is being accused of stalking by me and at least another user - [159] [160]- and he is also warned about Armenia-Azerbaijan topics, I think this is all worth checking out.
UPDATE I just added user:rast5 because Meowy suddenly continued a name dispute on George Balanchine page started by blocked user Rast5 last year. Again, in this case we are also dealing with a dispute over one's Georgian origin, just like in case of Sameba Cathedral construction grounds and the Georgian Orthodox Church.-- Krosenstern ( talk) 23:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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For the record, Wikiboer was run through a checkuser earlier this year and found to be clean. The IP, though, shows up numerous times in the archive and has been blocked thrice before for being used as a sock. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 19:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Update Well, as usual, Meowy completely ignores the evidence pressed upon him and instead seems to accuse Wesley of controlling my account, which is a distraction. Feel free to run a check and see if I have anything to do with his account. I have the right to receive his advice, especially when you are so eager to run over newcomers with hostility that you have shown to me on the Georgian Orthodox Church page.-- Krosenstern ( talk) 23:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
The behavioural evidence provided by Krosenstern can hardly be called "evidence" at all. Users on a particular side of a polarising ethnic dispute have similar POVs and edit similar articles? What an utter shock! Alert the authorities!
On a more serious note, I ran the users listed through wikichecker: Meowy Wikiboer Rast5. The results aren't convincing. None of the accounts' editing patterns are really very similar to each other—Meowy would have to be up 24 hours a day to operate the Wikiboer account. Furthermore, Meowy and Gazifikator (the sockmaster for Rast5) have completely different editing patterns. I think it extremely unlikely that any of the accounts are the same person, but the link between Meowy and Rast5 is essentially none, as far as I can tell.
I'd also like to remind the submitter that he has not shown the courtesy of notifying Wikiboer of this investigation and should do so. It is rude to leave parties in the dark about things like this. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 23:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
First of all, Rast5 is Stale and thus has no technical data available for comparison. Secondly, checkusers generally do not disclose connections between IPs and named accounts. So that leaves us with Wikiboer and Meowy. Leaving aside all of the petty bickering, I don't see any concrete evidence that these accounts are operated by the same person. What I do see is two accounts that share a general interest in this topic area -and judging by the comments above, it's a pretty popular/contentious topic. Unless you can demonstrate more than a shared interest in Armenia-Azerbaijan articles, I'll mark this for close later today.
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On 29 June 2012 Meowy was blocked for 1 week for the violation of editing restrictions: [168] The account of Dechrwr was created on July 1, 2012, only 1 day after Meowy was blocked. While Dechrwr has only 21 edits to date, wikistalk shows that he edits the same Armenia-Azerbaijan related pages that Meowy edited: [169] Out of 4 pages edited by Dechrwr 3 were previously edited by Meowy, of which Caucasian Albanian alphabet and Artsakh were very recently last edited by Meowy, after which the new account Dechrwr picked up where Meowy left off. Meowy is known to have used sock accounts many times before to evade his ban, which could be seen from his long blocks for sock puppetry, and the account of Dechrwr appears to be another similar attempt. Grand master 11:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that is clearly someone who has edited before. Grand master 18:29, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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Um, this is the first time I've ever edited anything in Wikipedia. I have only ever created one Wikipedia account...this one, Dechrwr. I spent a lot of time putting these sources in and cleaning up those articles. Sure, those are still not finished products, but I think you'd have to agree that those articles are in better shape now. Honestly, if my work gets deleted because of random suspicions, whatever. I do have better things to do with my time than update Wikipedia, which isn't helping me build a career.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs)
Oh yeah, if you have any suggestions about how to make the table of Catholicoi I put into the "Church of Caucasian Albania" article at the end better, please let me know. You can email me at dechrwr-hotmail, and perhaps point me to another article with a more polished table, and I can use the .html-like source code from the Edit page on that other Wikipedia page to polish up the List of Catholicoi on the Church of Caucasian Albania page. What would be even more interesting would be if you could take a look at the Dowsett source I used for that table, read the article and the information in it, see how I presented it, and make suggestions for the table on the Wikipedia page or edit the table yourself. I tried to be minimal and not add anything, but the combination of sporadic specified years, and length of service for other catholicoi, could be analyzed to come up with a more detailed time line with exact years calculated from a thorough analysis of the information in that article. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 18:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
You know, on the bright side, I guess I should feel like it's a compliment that you guys think I've edited before? Seriously, though, did GrandMaster bother to compare more than time-of-activity information? Did he bother to compare the substance of what I've contributed with the substance (or likely mostly lack thereof) of whoever it was in the past he is suspicious of? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 20:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Um, actually, this is my first account, and my first time ever editing Wikipedia. Sorry to disappoint you dude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I have zero programming skills. I've made two attempts in my life to use .html to make websites, neither of which was very impressive. This Wikipedia stuff is not difficult, though I'm sure there's much more for me to learn. I'm curious why you think that table is difficult. All I had to do was go to the auto-create table option from the top menu bar, see what it inserted, and copy and paste two lines within the code to make the appropriate number of lines and then fill in the blanks. If you think that's difficult, then either this Wikipedia code is really easy and I'm already near the top level of skill, or you also have much more to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the evidence. This account is editing from a different continent compared to Meowy. However, I'm reluctant to accept that it's a new user. WilliamH ( talk) 16:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me but a cu might be able to verify that.
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After Meowy was banned indefinetly on 27 August 2012, on 30 March 2014 Tiptoethrutheminefield registered editing exactly same areas. Both of them focus on Armenia related articles extensively, promoting Armenian POV, and on Eastern Europe related articles they both have pro-Russian attitude.
What makes the case more interesting is that in his talk page Tiptoethrutheminefield explains the series of events led to block of ( user:Russavia) from September 2009 to another user stating the block was unfair. However, back in those days he was not on Wikipedia at all, Tiptoethrutheminefield registered on 30 March 2014. So clearly it seems he was on Wikipedia and involved with specific cases. Indeed, Meowy and Russavia were editing same areas in line with each other. For instance, the article “Georgia for Georgians” which mostly tries to justify separatist movements in Georgia and created with a pro-Russian manner by Russavia on 14 September 2008. Meowy collaborated with Russavia and edited the page several times [194] [195] [196] [197] [198]. Once both Meowy and Russavia blocked this time Tiptoethrutheminefield started to edit [199] page with exactly same attitude and after AFD nomination and delete result he kept it as a user draft see User:Tiptoethrutheminefield/Georgia for Georgians. Abbatai 18:56, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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This case is Stale. CU declined.--
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