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Report date July 26 2009, 04:58 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Enric Naval

IP is causing disruption similar to how NisarKand does. NisarKand uses that IP range, see suspected socks and past CU request. See an example from sock User:Banigul, he always touches topics of Pashtun ascentry [1], and removes facts about Pashto having borrowings and origins from other languages [2]

I notice recent activity from that IP range in Silvia Lancome, a typical target of Misarkand. See this from 119.73.4.123 in 11th July, which is similar to this from 119.30.69.117 in October 2008, and that IP was tagged as a suspect sock of NisarKand.

This could also be a sock of User:Khampalak, who wrote another section about Bactrian descent.

I have tagged the IP. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/NisarKand for how a few socks were many times found when checkusering, so please run checkuser.

Ugh, and the other side, 94.219.218.20 ( talk · contribs), could be User:Beh-nam, he always accuses people of being socks of NisarKand.

Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.
Comments by other users


CheckUser requests
Checkuser request – code letter: E (Community ban/sanction evasion )
Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.    Requested by Enric Naval ( talk) 04:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC) reply



Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


Conclusions
  • Red X Unrelated. This is not NisarKand. I had previously blocked this guy as a sock of NisarKand, but after further investigation, I determined that this was in fact a different user (who is not currently blocked). Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 14:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC) reply
This case has been marked as closed. It has been archived automatically.
27 July 2010
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Ariana310

User:Ahmed shahi was blocked indefinitely but since then has used several sockpuppet accounts (check Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Ahmed_shahi/Archive) to edit Afghanistan related articles. I suspect he is now using the IP 119.73.7.124. Both accounts try to push the same set of POVs; and in addition their style of writing are quite similar. In all cases, 119.73.7.124 has good knowledge of how things are carried on in wikipedia, and is surely a sockpuppet of another user account. Ariana ( talk) 13:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply

He is also using another IP address of Special:Contributions/119.73.8.27, but at the end of his writing in the Talk pages, he/she manually writes its older IP address (119.73.7.124), for example in here. Ariana ( talk) 19:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
The reason I suspected Special:Contributions/119.73.8.27 to be a sockpuppet of another account, is that apart from pushing the same set of POVs as User:Ahmed shahi and/or User:NisarKand, it directly engaged in edit-war in the Afghanistan article. My attempt to resolve the issue in the Talk:Afghanistan#119.73.7.124.27s_edits was not successful, because although he/she was unable to back his/her claims by reliable sources, he/she does not accept the outcome of the discussion, despite the fact that uninvolved third party editors gave their comments through Wikipedia:Third opinion. He/She is still reverting the sourced material in Afghanistan. And he automatically reported me in WK:ANI (Trouble_with_user_Ariana301), where the case was closed, and two times in WK:ANEW ( here and here). Ariana ( talk) 10:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply

It seems he has changed again the IP address, and is now using Special:Contributions/210.2.177.244. He made edits with this IP over the same subject ( Afghanistan's Foreign relations and military). I made a WHOIS for this IP, and it comes exactly for the same server in Islamabad, Pakistan. Although he has received warning for disruptive behaviour in the past (see User_talk:210.2.177.244), his latest edits in Afghanistan article were constructive. But what is annoying is that he reported me for "vandalism" and 3RR in WK:AVI ( here) just as he did with his older IP address. I thought to mention it here which might help the administrator in his/her decision. Ariana ( talk) 16:54, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply

Comments by accused parties   

See Defending yourself against claims.

Have you considered the fact that Pakistan has about 177 million people and that "Nisar" and "Ahmad" are one of the most common names in Pakistan? It's like John and Michael in America. My internet provider has millions of customers and many of them use Wikipedia editing mainly Pakistan related articles, including neighboring countries sometimes. Not to mention that 1.7 million Afghan refugees live here and I guess they also edit Afghanistan pages.-- 119.73.8.27 ( talk) 01:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply

You use 3 year old data against me? When someone who is not doing anything other than edit-warring on Wikipedia and violates 3rr in front of my face I think at that point I'll be some how forced to report the person. I did that and now you claim I'm someone who she had problems with 3 years ago. I'm not the only one that Ariana310 engaged in edit-warring. We Pakistanis are always mistreated everywhere, you just find any old excuse to get us with. We are being opressed even in Wikipedia by people who are seeing their nations go down slowly because of their nonsense and non-working foreign policies.-- 119.73.8.27 ( talk) 07:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
Comments by other users
Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 Clerk declined CU should generally not be used to tie links between IPs and accounts, per Wikipedia:CheckUser#IP information disclosure, the case has therefore been declined for checkuser attention. That aside, we seem to be onto something interesting here. The IPs listed are from the range 119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)), that range has just recently come out of a 3 month block which resulted from it's abusive use by sockpuppeteer NisarKand ( talk · contribs) (who also focuses on Afghanistan related articles). Given that that range block was set with account creation disabled it seems unlikely that the IP range was/is being used by Ahmed shahi ( talk · contribs), as he has been creating accounts while the range block was in place. However, the range should probably be re-blocked, as it seems that NisarKand is still using it (now that the block has expired). Hopefully that all makes sense, although I'd recommend that an admin check over this with due care before taking action, since I'm not familiar with NisarKand. Regards, Spitfire Tally-ho! 23:44, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply

119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) is an IP range of 4096 addresses. The fact that "Nisar" and "Ahmad" are common names is irrelevant. Behaviourally, you're continuing the same agenda against Ariana310 ( talk · contribs) as NisarKand did back in 2007 WP:DUCK. Spitfire Tally-ho! 05:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I am considering an extension of the rangeblock of 119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) for another six months, and including a block of 210.2.177.244 ( talk · contribs). While sockpuppet investigation is not an exact science, when the accused person responds with the exact style of rhetoric that you were expecting from a nationalist warrior, and is in dispute with the same person (Ariana310) that NisarKand was fighting in 2007, it doesn't lessen your suspicion. There is a related comment over at WP:AN3. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
PeterSymonds has reblocked 119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) for one year. I've blocked 210.2.177.244 ( talk · contribs) for one year, since I notice a previous block of that IP as a sock of NisarKand for three months in 2009. EdJohnston ( talk) 01:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC) reply

 Clerk note: please note that this case was originally opened at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ahmed shahi. Spitfire Tally-ho! 17:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC) reply

21 December 2010
Suspected sockpuppets

Taken from lost October request

Added from comments below

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See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NisarKand; it appears there was a lost case a few months ago, for which checkuser evidence would be enlightening. Please note I am not necessarily accusing Lagoo sab of anything, simply processing the diligence required of an admin when he is asked to mediate an edit war. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 19:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Regarding users Lagoo Sab, Jrsko, Kaddoo:

user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena [ [3]]. The 3RR was quickly investigated by Magog tO. Kaddoo registered in June 2010. After editing in 5 different, Afghanistan related articles, he reported Inuit18 as a vandal. [4]. They both have intersect edits in 2 articles [5]. However, prior to his vandal report, the users did not edit the same articles [6]. Kaddoo has older knowledge about Inuits vandalism, pointing toward a more involved editor. At the same time, Kaddoo reports user Tajik for SPI [7] with whom he as intersect edits of 4 articles [8] and didn't edit any of the same articles prior to his report [9]. Kaddoo keeps adding new suspects [10] [11]which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. [12]. I haven't edited any of the same articles as Kaddoo, but he was the one who reported me as violating 3RR when having a dispute with Lagoo Sab about speaker population figures and supporting sources. It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity (see above ANI for diffs) I believe Inuit18 was one of the users I am supposed to be amongst several others.
Evidence regarding edit behavior of Kaddoo, Lagoo Sab, Jrsko: [13]. This is a collection of all edits sind user registration. Noticable is, despite editing in the same field, there are hardly any intersect edits: 0 intersects 7 intersects 0 intersects.
All is incommon, that they have an aversion to Tajiks, Shiites and call persian POV to whoever is not editing in their favor.
Evidence presented:
Lagoo Sab: 02:28, 6 December 2010 (diff | hist) Pashto language (’Official Status: rvv, Chartinael = anti-Pashtun POV-pusher, this article is about "Pashto" NOT about your Dari language and I know you're a Tajik ethnocentric) (if you need to read up with more diffs on my dispute with Lagoo Sab on figures and sources: [14]
Jrkso identity questioning: I feel that User:JCAla, User:Tajik, and User:Cabolitae should not remove the tags since they belong to the same particular group.--Jrkso (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Further noticable user pages of Jrkso is a one liner as is Kaddoo.
Kaddoo: 14:11, 10 August 2010 (diff | hist) N User:Kaddoo ‎ (←Created page with 'Hi, I'm an American serving in U.S. military in Afghanistan. I train Afghans.') (top)
Jrkso: 02:03, 2 November 2009 Jrkso (talk | contribs) (49 bytes) (←Created page with 'My name is Jason, and I work for a media company.')

Chartinael ( talk) 13:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Regarding Kaki joe. I am not sure, why no intersect edits come up with Lagoo Sab, although both have edited the same articles, namely Afghanistan and Pashto are shared articles for sure. [15] nor here [16]. His data is not included in the xls-file provided above. Chartinael ( talk) 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

User:Lagoo Sab is a sockpuppet of User:Ketabtoon. I contacted him through a just created account and his email and introduced myself as one of his allies and talked with him about the Pashtun-Tajik-Hazara editwars here on Wikipedia and told him I would support him against infidel Hazaras and sellout Tajiks. In return he told me creating at least two accounts and use them alternating. Further, he said between both account´s usage should be at least 3month break for not beeing identified as sockpuppet. He himself told me Ketabtoon is another account of him which is used on his cousins computer. Now it´s your duty as admin and guard of Wikipedia´s policy to do something against him. I can pass on his message to you if you wish.-- 94.219.98.69 ( talk) 07:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply

This is indeed a serious accusation, but I am not sure if the way you are presenting it is acceptable. Signing out and then commenting as an IP editor makes the impression that there is not much behind that accusation. If you have such an Email, you should forward it to the responsible admins (see list below). You should also tell them your real Wikipedia account (I do not think there is a need to tell the whole community your actual account). Tajik ( talk) 11:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Before it leads to a wrong assumptation I am neither a Hazara or Uzbek nor a Tajik or Arab, Kashmiri or whatever. I know that Wikipedia became a play-ground for all kind of nationalistic bias and I do not welcome such tendencies, be they from my own people, Hazaras, Turks or Tajiks, Arabs, Americans, Dutchs or Indians. It´s a shame for everyone of us to show ourself as sociel illiterate individuals on the world stage of information acquisition to all kind of poeple, particular to the western world you claim beeing and got your educate from. Maybe you should go and live for 2 weeks in Kongo or India where you don´t have money to food or water to wash yourself or a safe place. Where will this war on Wikipedia, media, politics, X, Y, Z lead us? What do you await from it? If you have some complexes than go to psychiatry and get some help. I do not say to stand for the correct policy of Wikipedia but I can´t stand it when people, obviously even from the same country and the same race, tear themself to pieces just because they do not want to accept other opinions. Who cares what XYZ did in the past and to whom XYZ belong. What do you hope for? That your situation turns better or that your countries getting more attention from the world? If that´s so than you seems beeing very pathetic. Not the history of a nation make him special but his DAILY contributions and DAILY outputs (Turkey, India, South-Korea, Japan, China, Indonesia, South Africa) for a better TOMORROW. Those who dropped off their sick visions and started to live in TODAY and not still in YESTERDAY, they just gained good (Turkey, India, South-Korea, Japan, China, Indonesia, South Africa) from all part of the world. You people suffered to much because of your lost identities (IDless>Identity Crysis) and thus you turned your own country to hell with millions of innocent deaths, millions of replaced people, the highest death rate, the before-last country on earth. Get a bit civilised. Wikipedia´s reader are not only some 14 years old boys and girls. It became in the last 5 years the most important reference to all government institution for all countries along the globe. What do you guess those politicians and diplomats think about you when they read your all kind of crap here, a tool of the western world, actually made for the civilised western world and the Air Force, that you rubbish it here now and today and you will keep on in tomorrow as well. That´s sick and smells! I appreciate you to excuse my crudeness to some Wikipedians here.

@Tajik You are not better than the rest of the many clowns here. I don´t want to share my time with you or you-alike guys. You are a shame for civility and Wikipedia. Your way to talk with them and providing sources is not wrong, but pick holes on someone and come up with your well-known that´s POV and that´s not, this is PPP and this is DDD. What is wrong with you. You are not better than them and not all your sources can be correct. References from others are wrong, except yours who are God-gaven from God to you. Grow up, boy. I also do not care if the admin ban those (including you) guys or not, but my parent´s did not teached me to blame others (this option a ultima ratio). When I contacted the person I just wanted to know if he is one of some known and already banned Users and a sockpuppet of Ketabtoon, who further, indeed, is of banned User:NisarKand and his thousand other socks. Your request telling my Account is not acceptable. Maybe I ant use it one day and it´s very easy to personate me as a sock of IP XYZ 10-5 which possibly would be a reason to block me, while the real vandalists are occuring here days and nights. But I am ready to present my email (shabirdurani@rocketmail.com). If anyone have any questions they are free to ask and contact me through my mail but don´t expect from me letting someone go into the knife which would be only my last action if there´s no view taling place.

@Admin Sometimes I do edit some articles, only minor faults or nationalistic POVs, but since Afghanistan-related articles have no own guards or at the best at least two Admins, those Users reedite those articles again. A sign that Wikipedia failed. Please take also a look on this, where Lagoo Sab is already linked to NisarKand and Bani Gul. Isn´t strange one get blocked and banned on Wikipedia and not one day later, another User registers do the same POVs and changes without any reactions of the admins?

Good morning-- 94.219.98.69 ( talk) 12:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply

OK, if that's not a violation of WP:PA, then I do not know what it is ... Tajik ( talk) 13:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Comments by other users

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The editor Inuit18 ( talk · contribs) who added my name in the October 2010 CU request is a banned editor [17]. fish  CheckUser is not for fishing, listing me here is considered fishing because I didn't violate anything. Instead, what I did was provide a valid argument in the talk pages of 2 articles ( Talk:Languages of Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan and Talk:Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan) so that the info is corrected. To thank me for this, User:Magog the Ogre decided to report me here. Seems to me that nobody follow rules, each person makes up own rules as they go along, and I feel this is a revenge to give me a bad name even though I'm improving articles in Wikipedia. I am against incorrect information presented as a fact in Wikipedia. As a result of too many mistakes and errors accepted by the west (America and NATO countries), they are now suffering and slowly going down the drain while countries in Asia are rising to the top.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 20:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Please assume good faith - especially given my words above. If you're not the same person, you have nothing to worry about. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 21:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
There is nothing for me to be afraid of or be worried about, I think I should be allowed to defend myself in each and every circumstance in my own free words. I felt this because you didn't bother to investigate the other editors who are all sharing the same POV and displaying a strong connection. Instead, you chose me so I needed to highlight this.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 22:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Oh really? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 22:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
I would like to add another name to the check-list: User:Jrkso. Tajik ( talk) 22:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Is it possible to add a name? If so, user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena [ [18]]. Now that doesn't mean much, however, after just a few edits following account creation end of June this year he accused user Tajik of sockpuppeteering calling it an ongoing issue with Tajik since 2006 [19] [20] and keeps adding new suspects which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. [21]. It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity. I believe Inuit was one of the users I am supposed to be. Chartinael ( talk) 23:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Guys, I haven't looked at the content of either of these, but do other characteristics like editing style fit the glove? If not, I'm worried that indeed this is becoming a weapon to use against an opponent (e.g., checkuser is not for fishing). Why the hell can't you guys just fucking talk the issue over on the talk pages instead of spreading the issue like a wildfire across so many pages and making it all personal? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 23:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
I am not familiar with this procedure and what to look for. I found it odd that somebody I have never encountered before accuses me of having a connection with other users. I have noted, that Kaddoo likes to format his references identical to Lagoo Sab, I have no clue as to who or how the other user in question as to whose sock Lagoo might possibly be has edited. I only connected Lagoo to Kaddoo because of the 3RR back in October you responded to. Chartinael ( talk) 23:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Alright. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 23:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Just remembered, I explained something relating to October 2010 CU here which should also be examined. Thanks-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 00:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Okay, everyone stop. This is not the right venue to have your battles; we're here to discuss the plausibility of running a checkuser to compare Lagoo sab to other people. First, someone needs to update the Suspected sockpuppets section above to list the potential sockpuppets. After that, all I want is a concise explanation (preferably using diffs) to explain why we should look into those editors as being potential socks. And then I (or another clerk) will determine whether or not a CU is needed. Until then, take your bickering elsewhere. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Is the list you are referring to the one on top of this page? Or the one on the October request for NisarKand? Do you mean to add the names there can be done by anyone, like myself? And then to point out specific thoughts as to why this appears plausible? Does my reasoning above suffice or does it have to be more detailled? Chartinael ( talk) 00:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Yes, the one on the top of the page. I'm not concerned with the NisarKand request anymore. And yes, anyone who wants to speak up in favor of a CU request here and can provide evidence to back it up may add. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, will do that tomorrow. Too late now on my side of the globe. Chartinael ( talk) 00:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Just a note: I have added Haidarabas.safi ( talk · contribs) to the list. Tajik ( talk) 02:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  •  Question: I'm not really sure what's going on here, but are you asking to run a CU on the October 1 case on Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NisarKand, i.e. to look at NisarKand, Lagoo sab, Mlbnk, Kaki joe, PanjshirPashtun and PashtunArtist? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 20:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Yes. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 20:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note:  On hold I have some private information to contribute to this case which should be discussed with a checkuser. -- Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 14:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
     Clerk endorsed Sufficient similarities to endorse, not enough to make a decision. Some technical data would be nice. With regards to my evidence, that can be handled separately and I will mail it to functionaries at some later date, probably after this set is resolved (as it is parallel, not directly related to this case). -- Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 22:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC) reply

 Confirmed as each other:

 Confirmed as each other:

Red X Unrelated to each other or to any of the above:

As far as I see on the technical end, there is no relation between the two groups of confirmed users. No comment with regards to any suspected IP addresses. – MuZemike 00:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC) reply

  • information Administrator note I picked Lagoo sab as the master account here, as it's the most active of all the accounts. All the confirmed socks under them have been blocked, and I blocked the master as well. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 01:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Users blocked, closing. Nakon 02:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC) reply
01 January 2011
Suspected sockpuppets


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Procedural request for tracking purposes. User is already blocked. Nakon 02:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC) reply

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In the future, it's not necessary to report every confirmed sock here ( WP:NOTBURO), especially since it was already tagged and blocked as such. – MuZemike 02:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC) reply

12 January 2011
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Again. Among two issues, we have someone pushing the certain POV on Pashtun peoples and misuse of the term vandalism. There is one other issue that has me concerned, which I will not note out loud per WP:BEANS (but can do for another admin/CU upon request).

If this was a new user I'd be sure of the connection, but Xinjao has been around a while, unlike LS. However, who knows who the sockmaster is? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 03:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC) reply

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Hi Magog, I doubt the association. This user does not try to UP the figures for Pashtuns, declaring everyone Pathan Pashtun. His edits appear founded and he uses the talk page to address others whose edits he/she views as problematic. Regards. छातीऀनाएल - chartinael ( talk) 12:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • Honestly I'm having a hard time figuring out why this editor may be a sock of someone. You can email me if you'd like. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC) reply

I probably didn't need to check, but since my assumption was wrong the last time in this case (There was indeed socking when I didn't expect it), I went ahead; Xinjao is Red X Unrelated. – MuZemike 15:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC) reply

  • Thanks for the heads up, and apologies to any user involved if necessary. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 20:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC) reply


30 January 2011
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Yet another user popping up out of the ether to edit war in LS's style. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 01:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply

I added User: Afghan hero to the list. Maybe someone can check him also? I base my assumption on his contributions [22] [23] [24] and his way of editing. JCAla ( talk) 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. What is this? Me chase girl she chase me ( talk) 19:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply

It means we weren't joking when we asked you to play by the rules or face banishment. Suggestion: go back to your old account, apologize, sit out for a while and play by the rules, and maybe the community will let you back in. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 19:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Just to note that I've blocked the suspected sock for 24 hours for a 3RR violation. No comment on the socking atm. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply

Ranges may have too much traffic for a rangeblock. Another CU may wish to weigh in. -- Avi ( talk) 05:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply

  •  Relisted - As requested by Avi, can we double check these pls. -- DQ (t) (e) 11:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
  • In the meantime, I've blocked and tagged all the socks found. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 13:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
    • I'm on the line. I think there has been enough disruption from the user at hand to warrant some collateral damage (and I think the person behind the accounts at hand is quite possibly also behind the Ahmed shahi accounts, but I haven't really investigated since it makes little difference).
      It's currently quiet, but I'm going to keep a very close eye on the range for a while and block it if he continues the disruption. Feel free to contact me about this though, Avi! Amalthea 21:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
      • I'm actually marking this for relist again, just to see if the newest account listed - Afghan hero - is also in this group. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
        • Another  Likely match. TN X Man 23:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
  • information Administrator note Okay. Blocked and tagged. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC) reply
15 April 2011
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User:She has a bird brain came to edit war in Lagoo sab's style. In the Hamid Karzai's article history he indirectly showed that he is no other than Lagoo sab by stating and making his typical (false) accusations: "JCAla you are showing your typical shia pov by being a sympathizer to them ..." ( see here) There was no prior contact to the user so it is unlikely for any other person to state such things. You will also find that User:She has a bird brain edits exactly the same articles as did Lagoo sab with his countless socks. ( see here) The other users named are very likely less-used sock accounts of Lagoo sab. See their contribution history. JCAla ( talk) 08:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

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The following are  Confirmed as Lagoo sab:

The other accounts mentioned above are either  Unlikely or outright Red X Unrelated. – MuZemike 08:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

All the confirmed accounts are blocked, marking for close. TN X Man 14:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply
15 April 2011
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I suspect [25] that Cabolitae is using JCAla as a single-purpose account to edit for promotion, advocacy or other unsuitable agendas. Cabolitae stated on his page that he is from Afghanistan who is in France and edits Afghanistan articles [26] and has added his name to the WikiProject Afghanistan members list as did JCAla, a user who is also Afghan and very familiar with France [27], both accounts edit the same Afghanistan articles. [28] [29] [30]

JCAla and Cabolitae edit very similarly using the same level of English in talk pages from a location in France I believe, and they leave behind very similar comments in their edit summaries, immediately get into edit-war with anyone who changes their watched pages. [31] Although they don't edit much, they sure appear to be watching the pages everyday, this elevates the level of my suspicion.

I believe that Cabolitae is using the JCAla account for personal political propaganda and to express his anger by bashing the U.S. and NATO-allied state of Pakistan [32] [33] and in the meantime to promote Ahmad Shah Massoud and the Northern Alliance, which is regarded in the mainstream media as a group of Category:Afghan warlords accused of ethnic cleansing and mass human rights violations, including killings, rapes and robberies. The official RAWA website is full of reports on that.

JCAla is very disruptive, he is turning Afghanistan related Wikipedia articles to his personal blog pages by copy pasting the same large portion of propaganda work that he prepared on all of them [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40], which is cherry-picked to reflect his anti-Pakistan pro-Ahmad Shah Massoud/Northern Alliance POVs. It's against Wikipedia's policy to host JCAla who wants to spread his politically motivated propaganda messages, especially if he is used by someone as a sockpuppet. Both users have been blocked before for edit-warring on Afghanistan. [41] [42] I listed the IP to help with the investigation, it is from France and I'm very sure it was used by Cabolitae. She has a bird brain ( talk) 06:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

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Go ahead, check it. Got nothing to hide. Other than that, be aware that User: She has a bird brain is more than likely just another sock of banned User: Lagoo sab. See his dozens of socks and the investigation here. Lagoo sab has systematically used dozens of accounts to further his political pro-Taliban stance and has engaged a variety of respected users in edit wars by simply restoring false information again and again. You will find that my two blocks for edit wars were when I was relatively new to wikipedia and both were in connection to countering political propaganda by his now-blocked sock account User: Jrkso (a fact then unknown to the blocking administrator). JCAla ( talk) 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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  • information Administrator note - I am 95% sure this is Lagoo Sab, once again, making sockpuppet allegations, because, in fact, he is a career sockpuppeteer. I suggest the patrolling checkuser check on the reporter as well as the reported user. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 08:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

I was already in the process of checking the reporter.  Confirmed She has a bird brain is User: Lagoo sab. Plus there are several more  Confirmed accounts on the IP:

The IP was already blocked for the anonymous editing from it. Dominic· t 08:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

I've copied Dominic's findings from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cabolitae, as Lagoo sab appears to be the sockmaster. TN X Man 14:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply
05 May 2011
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Possibly another sock of User:Lagoo sab. Same editing pattern on the same issues, with the same pov and same tendency towards edit warring. See i. e. [43], [44], [45] or [46] JCAla ( talk) 09:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply

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The reporter of this request is the banned User:Beh-nam, who has used 100s of sockpuppets. See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Beh-nam His location is Toronto, Canada. [47] Please do a check on the report as well. He is the same racist ethnic Tajik and editing the same articles as Beh-nam used to edit. He calls everyone who oppose his view as Taliban. It is not right to see a banned editor report other people.-- Hkrclu ( talk) 14:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply

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 Confirmed that

are the same and very likely She has a bird brain ( talk · contribs), a previously blocked sock. Amalthea 10:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply

    • Blocked, tagged, done. TN X Man 14:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply
12 June 2011
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Based on their edits, they're clearly not a new account. Similar domain of editing. Endorsing for confirmation and sleepers. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 08:24, 12 June 2011 (UTC) reply

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 Confirmed as being the same as Hkrclu ( talk · contribs). TN X Man 14:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC) reply

02 September 2011
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V7 was blocked on August 5 for edit warring. Two days later, on August 7, Mirwais' first mainspace edit was on Faisal Shahzad, a place where V7 had edited. The first edit was to go back to V7's version of the article, and they used the edit history "Rvv". No new editor does that. Endorsing for confirmation. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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Could I also get a check towards the account AlimNaz ( talk · contribs) please? Elockid ( Talk) 02:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Oh, and sleepers as well, if there are any. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Elockid is right, this appears Red X Unrelated to V7-Sport. The following are  Likely based on technical evidence to be AlimNaz, but are  Confirmed as each other:

Courcelles 08:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

  •  Clerk note: Interesting. Since AlimNaz is blocked as a sock of Lagoo sab, I've merged this case into that one. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: All of these accounts were blocked, but I updated the tags. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply
15 September 2011
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Another Strider filing. Requesting CU to check for sleepers. Elockid ( Talk) 03:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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No apparent sleepers. TN X Man 15:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

information Administrator note Already blocked by Elockid, tagged now. — Spaceman Spiff 16:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

17 October 2011
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Same philosophy on the same issues. Resistance to relevant arguments and normal dispute solution. Starts edit wars. Vandalizes user page instead of using the talk page just like one of Lagoo sab's socks once did. [48] I am not sure, but the contributions' history suggests that this could be another sock account of Lagoo sab. [49] Considering Lagoo sab's history this should be checked before engaging in long disputes with this user which could become irrelevant when this is just another of Lagoo sab's hundreds of socks. Thank you. JCAla ( talk) 08:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC) reply

It's been for almost one year, that I encountered various of his sock puppets on Afghanistan-related issues. These included User:Jrkso, User:She has a bird brain, User:Hkrclu, User:Hazaraguy, User:Afghan hero, etc. User:Gbh123 has the same point of view bias and he starts to insult people which he does not know on a racist basis(just like Lagoo sab).
Quote Gbh123:"typical ignorant afghan ignores the role of russia and other players in the civil war" [50]
Gbh123 immediately starts edit wars (just like Lagoo sab) and is immune towards engaging in conflict resolution via talk/arguments, etc (just like Lagoo sab). I had differences of opinion with other users but I was always able to sort them out by means of communication, compromise and a common basis regarding wiki rules. So far, if I encountered a user on Afghanistan-related issues with that kind of behaviour (as shown by Gbh123), it always turned out to be a sock of Lagoo sab.
You can also see that the account is relatively new (25 April 2011) [51] and has exclusively edited according to Lagoo sab's patterns. The account was used twice in April 2011 and then only in October to engage in this edit war. Lagoo sab uses many (!) different accounts in exactly this kind of way.
I think other admins who know about him will agree. -- JCAla ( talk) 14:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC) reply
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16 November 2011
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Lagoo sab ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to be very strategic and manipulative "editor". As soon as Jorge Koli ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) got blocked, this "editor" quickly resurrected NorthernPashtun ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and continued "editing" the very same pages with similar "vigor", bias, prejudices and aggressiveness. 68.27.248.223 ( talk) 14:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply

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  • There was a problem with my IP address being used by several other editors in the past where I work (Afghan Embassy in Islamabad) and I've emailed several admins to exlain this complicated issue, and one admin decided to help me out and he said just create a new name and that I shouldn't have any more problems. A few other Afghan staff here who used to edit Afghan related pages of Wikipedia are now stationed in other countries (i.e. User:NisarKand is in Moscow, Russia), he got married. Others don't edit the English version but the Persian and Pashto. I mentioned NisarKand because user:Mar4d accused me in the last 2 days of being him [52]. This Pakistani POV-warrior (Mar4d) is known for using many user names, User:Drspaz, User:Pahari Sahib, User:Raza0007.... he even steals images from the internet and uploads them to Wikipedia. [53] [54].-- NorthernPashtun ( talk) 21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
  • I used to edit from Canada where I was working there before being transferred here to Asia for 2 yrs and the things that those other editors who were doing many years ago should not be used against me. I'm an honest hard working guy who edit Wikipedia as a professional editor to improve pages as well as improve my English skills. Look at my edits and see for yourself. Thanks.-- NorthernPashtun ( talk) 21:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
  • I have absolutely no idea who this person behind the Los Angeles, California, IP is. I never been to that area in person or edit articles of that region.-- NorthernPashtun ( talk) 21:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
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  • NorthernPashtun is  Technically indistinguishable from Jorge Koli. Underlying  IP blocked already, but it wasn't set to catch logged-in users—and NorthernPashtun appears to have been an old sleeper, which is why we didn't catch it before when pulling technical data. If any more appear, please submit another SPI. Thanks! AGK [ • 20:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
24 December 2011
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1 2007 edit, 1 2008 edit, the edit after that clearly not new, makes about 500 contribs, and now is calling everyone they see a sock, with these accusations being baseless and like pulling some name out of a hat. Also Similar editing topics, and similar changes have lead me to request a CU, adding a relatively positive CU crosses the line for this type of disruption. -- DQ (t) (e) 18:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply

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  • Awaiting onwiki CU comment, going to block now before this becomes more of an issue. -- DQ (t) (e) 18:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply
    •  Possible bordering on  Likely. from a technical standpoint. Courcelles 18:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply
  • DQ's block is good. Closing. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 20:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply
26 April 2012
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Afzalkhan123 is a SPA (one edit only) coming straight to a deletion review with same pov, same bias as Lagoo sab's sock farm. [55] TAzimi also edits exactly the same articles as Lagoo sab with exactly the same pov. (Pashtuns 60 % of Afghan population: [56] [57] ,edit warring: [58]) I have called him by the name of LS several times, after which, at least in the form of TAzimi, he was not to be seen again at the article I had called on him. JCAla ( talk) 11:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - not to mention they have the same writing style. I'd actually be surprised if these aren't LS, and if there aren't some sleepers too. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 12:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply

why are you accusing me of wrong names??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afzalkhan123 ( talk • contribs) 14:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply


Note: The discussion below was initiated after the unblock by Future Perfect at Sunrise as noted in the section below.

TAzimi is another sock of Lagoo sab. That is fairly obvious from behavioral grounds, editing and pov. Lagoo sab had good language skills, yet with some socks he tried to change his language for deception purpose, that is common practice among sock masters. Also, that TAzimi already used a sock himself is another fairly obvious sign. Furthermore, the CU said "likely" for TAzimi and Afzalkhan and Galaga1981. You say you are "not familiar enough" with the case and apologized to TAzimi for blocking, but yet you disregard the opinion of both Magog and me who are more than familiar with the case? JCAla ( talk) 07:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply
Magog is welcome to override me and reblock him if he feels confident about it on behavioural grounds. Your opinion, in contrast, is of much less value in deciding this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply
I can only quote User:Cavarrone who in regards to you said: "blame this behaviour" and User:Alanscottwalker: "I don't think your incivility evidences your administrative competence." JCAla ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply
  • JCAla, could you please spend a bit more time compiling information on the similarities of editing style and the similarities in POV? Please keep in mind that FP and I both live half a world away, so the nuances of Pashtun nationalism are lost on us. I think it's likely they are the same user but I would like a bit more data. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 10:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply

I don't have time to check all the 40 or more of Lagoo sab's socks for comparison, but there are fairly easy things to point out that make the connection obvious:

Ethnicity and Linguistics of Afghanistan

  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 removing "Tajiks form the majority ..." although backed by the reference in the article ( Farsiwan = Tajiks and associated groups) and replacing with exactly the same version as Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Northern Pashtun" [59] [60] -> compare to the edits by Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Northern Pashtun" [61] [62]
  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 in above mentioned edits emphasizes same source on ethnicity as Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Jrkso" on the Afghanistan talk [63]
  • TAzimi putting in questionable sources (which are in direct contradiction to the main-stream estimates) putting the percentage of Pashtun people in Afghanistan on a range up to 60%. [64] -> There were endless discussions with Lagoo sab about the ethnic (including linguistic) composition of Afghanistan. One out of many threads in which he also introduced the number 60 % for Pashtuns/Pashto. [65]

Dislike for Shia Islam

  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 putting the category Shia Islam under the article about a murder case [66]
  • TAzimi removing [Shia] "Iran" and "Iranian" [67]
  • Lagoo sab's monologue on a supposed Shia wikipedia conspiracy [68]

Fondness of Hamid Karzai

  • TAzimi (pro-Karzai, removing "Kingdom of Afghanistan", adding "political scientist" under profession) [69]
  • Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "She has a bird brain" (pro-Karzai, removing fraud allegations, adding "political scientist" under profession) [70] -> Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Jorge Koli" (removing "Kingdom of Afghanistan") [71]

Same sources and pov

  • See Afzalkhan123's pov speech citing the unreliable propaganda source rawa: [72] [73]
  • See Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "She has a bird brain" making a similar speech using the same source: [74]

BTW, it is quite interesting and funny that besides Cabolitae, me and several others, both, Future Perfect at Sunrise [75] and Magog [76], have also been accused of sockpuppetry and POV propaganda by Lagoo sab in the past. ;)

Further indications:

  • TAzimi removing "Dari Persian" (which is the other official language of Afghanistan besides Pashto), emphasizing "to a Pashtun family" [77]
  • TAzimi has the same arguing style when in content disputes as Lagoo sab (mainly claiming "POV" and telling people to "go and find another article to edit") [78] [79]
  • Editing exactly the same articles: Afghanistan, Ethnicity of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, etc.
  • Also Galaga was obviously created for the purpose of being able to edit war more openly on LS's issues, as its first edits immediately go for it.

JCAla ( talk) 16:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply

    • That's good enough for me; I've heard this song and dance before about "oh I'm not Lagoo Sab." Don't the CUs keep logs for the IPs of well-known sockpuppeteers? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 01:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC) reply
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The following are  Likely matches to each other -all of the accounts in the archive are  Stale:

Blocked all three. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply

Post-closure update: after an unblock request at [80], and after reviewing the contributions of TAzimi, I now feel confident on behavioral grounds that he is not the same as Afzalkhan123. TAzimi has admitted to have used Galaga1981 as an alternative account, but I did not find any obviously deceptive use of it. There is a something of a remaining suspicion, because TAzimi's initial edits don't look like those of an entirely new user, but since at this point I have no clear grounds for identifying him with either Lagoo sab or any of the other sockmasters I know, I have unblocked his account for now. Others are welcome to review. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC) reply
Re-closing, as Magog has re-blocked the TAzimi account per the new evidence above. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC) reply
08 September 2012
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Was dropped on my talk page by another edit a few days ago, where some discussion has taken place. There is crossover in the proper topics [81], and behavioral linkage. Nasir seems to not be as new as he is, and there are other behaviors, including an interest in socks, and others that I would rather not disclose publicly. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (per request of Lysozym) reply

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. Hi, I noticed you added my name to this page but I'm not either of the two persons which Lysozym ( talk · contribs) accused me to be. I have opposed the edits of Nasir Ghobar in one of the article and reverted him several times (please see my talk page). My account is not even new, because I have created articles, mainly about Pashto (its dialects), and expanded/moved to correct titles the already existing articles about Afghan calendar, about several Pashtun tribes and about some of the other topics about my country (Afghanistan). So because of my edits, I can't be any of those two persons, thanks. Khestwol ( talk) 14:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (copied from the talk page of Dennis Brown) reply

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  •  Additional information needed Sorry Dennis, but i'm going to require more info, especially when stuff like:

(cur | prev) 05:59, August 16, 2012‎ Khestwol (t | c | block)‎ . . (+1,170)‎ . . (Undid revision 507642814 by Nasir Ghobar (talk) unexplained removal of content (China shouldn't be removed from the country list, as Tarim Basin was conquered), reverted unexplained changes) (×)

shows up. You have many ways to reach me, so just drop me a note somewhere. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC) reply
Second name removed, again by another user and most of my searches was on the first, so the second is an error. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Archive is  Stale,  Confirmed the following are related to each other:
  • Tagged and blocked. AGK [•] 12:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC) reply
22 December 2012
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Following a suggestion and a quite obnoxious comment at User talk:Chilum aw charrs, I took a quick glance; either I'm misunderstanding the usage of IPs in Pakistan, or this is a whole pile of socking going on -- which is exactly the pattern from Lagoo sab. Someone with more experience with this serial socker should take a look and see if it seems to match. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 17:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC) reply

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22 January 2013
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I got an email which said this editor was likely a sock of LS. Contribution history of the suspect sock shows nothing but overlap [82] Both use similar edit summarys LS suspect sock And both seem to have issues about the Pashto language LS suspect sock Darkness Shines ( talk) 00:11, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply

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  • Blocked as an obvious sock. Recommend awaiting a checkuser to find sleepers. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 00:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk endorsed - Behavior looks spot on. Previous checks have turned up dozens of socks, so a new check would seem worth it. Someguy1221 ( talk) 01:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply
 Checkuser note: Lots to find, but...nothing new.  Frank  |   talk  02:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply
05 November 2013
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Fareed30 edits in the same topic area as LS and his other socks used to do with a similar Afghan/Pashtun POV. Though Fareed30 registered late last year but strangely enough knows the history of editing/socking in this topic area very well.( [83], [84]). And this is a reference to an established editor against whom LS sock(s) have previously filed SPIs (here and at commons) and had a number of editing disputes. A new editor can not figure out this much details as given in the edit summaries.

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Partial match

There may be many more intersecting edits I assume but I guess this much are sufficient to establish a case. SMS Talk 22:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC) reply

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20 November 2014
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Same Afghan POV, taking content disputes to administrator noticeboards for getting editors blocked with baseless allegations. Calling every one a sock puppet. Looks to be a behavior and pattern match to me. Asking for a CU, and also pinging Magog the Ogre, he has much experience in dealing with this guy in previous SPI (archives). Fai zan 15:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply

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Nice try but I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone, a totally new editor who happens to be interested in some Afghan topics, according to Faizan, everyone who edits an Afghan page is a sockpuppet. I repeatedly told admins in the past at ANI board that my first edits were nominating an unfree image of Mullah Omar which got deleted along with my first edits. You can accuse me all you want but it will show that I'm not abusing multiple accounts or using IPs disruptively. While admin does a CU on me, I request that a CU be done on Faizan and on User:TheSawTooth just to clear things up. These guys are not here to build Wikipedia but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply

You and your buddy have asked it before [85] in same Zarb e Azb topic. Will you ask every day now? -- TheSawTooth ( talk) 20:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
He's not my buddy. You can request a CU on me every day, I don't mind it because I don't have any reason to use more than one account. My issue with you two is not using more than one account, it's you being aggressive P.O.V pushers falsifying articles and edit-warring with people who are not Pakistanis. An editor could use more than one account as long as he/she doesn't do what you two are doing, falsifying information and then create a WP:BATTLEGROUND.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
You said that before as well in your unblock request when you were lagoo sab. -- TheSawTooth ( talk) 21:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Wouldn't you agree that your very first 11 edits are very strange for a new editor? This one suggests that you're in eastern Australia (likely Brisbane), the same place where Saladin1987 ( talk · contribs) is editing from (will provide diffs if requested to). You're on the same interesting mission, with TheSawTooth you're wrongly adding "Afghan terrorists" and with Saladin1987 you're removing "Afghan" origins from famous Indian people. You may think that's slickness but it's only childish and very stupid because Wikipedia is not the only source. It is giving Pakistani editors an ugly image.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 22:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
I see nothing wrong in his first edits. Infact he started off just like a new beginner, not on ANI accusing someone of socking like you did. Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever), when you will abandon your ancient primitive habit of accusing others of socking? Fai zan 08:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
I didn't ask you. No, per my opinion he started off pretending to be a new beginner. I told you that my first edits were deleted so they were not on ANI. And that guy I reported at ANI ( User:StanTheMan87) got himself blocked and then created this new name ( User:StanMan87), clearly he's up to something (see also User:StanTheMan) and my report on him was justified due to his strange and aggressive behavior. I was accused of sockpuppeting by his friend ( User:DocumentError) but the case was dismissed ( Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Irapart/Archive), well, he attempted to see if I was using sockpuppets. You're now accusing me of sockpuppeting so I guess you and every body else making sock accusations are also Lagoo sab? Him being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Wikipedia and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information and then reporting anyone who tries to fix your falsification. I'm confused why admins are turning blind eye on you, maybe they don't want to be involved with Pakistani related topics and I don't blame them on that. Pakistani pages are all a mess.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 12:29, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Look sock of Lagoo sab [86] has same behavior of calling everyone sock puppet on talkpage. Check Krazyhorse's IP with checkuser. -- TheSawTooth ( talk) 14:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
    • You mean the part that talks about User:Mar4d being in Brisbane, Australia, like you and Saladin1987 and abusing multiple accounts? Well, thanks for bringing that here, it advances my suspicion about you abusing multiple accounts. I request that admins also check you and Faizan because I don't feel like starting a new SPI.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
      • These diffs pertain to one Pakistani editor who is abusively and disruptively using multiple accounts and he connects through Telstra Internet from Brisbane, Australia. [87] [88] [89] [90] [91] [92] (notice the "au" (Australia) at the google book link he posted), it means he's in Australia something most people don't catch. I have a feeling that TheSawTooth is connected to this person. Faizan stated above "Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever)" and TheSawTooth didn't even try to deny it. He is using one account to remove Afghan references from famous Indians [93] and another account which was created less than a month ago to attack Afghans. [94]-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply

Krazy horse you are confirming your behavior. One more point:

  • "I recommend TheSawTooth be blocked for disruption" [95]
  • "I also feel that Faizan be blocked for P.O.V. pushing" [96]
  • "I recommend that you and Mar4d be blocked until you reform" [97]

It is the same style of writing of Krazy and Kiftaan. Hence left hand side is equal to right hand side. Thus proved Lagoo sab is puppetmaster of Krazy horse and Kiftaan. --- TheSawTooth ( talk) 20:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply

  • Should I write in Chinese language in order not to be suspected as another editor? You know so much about puppet masters. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that almost every Pakistani editor is a puppet master and that includes you. Using more than one screen name is one thing (which is allowed in certain situations), and if I used another name in the past maybe I thought Wikipedia was a social network like Facebook but I'm only using one name. That's understandable and many have used more than one name. However, using more than one name to deliberately falsify articles is a clear cut violation. That's what you and Faizan are doing and I can't help but to expose you. It's funny how you were created less than a month ago and you know so much about a blocked editor over one year ago. This alone confirms that you're in fact puppet master.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 21:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Every past action of puppet master is in archive it is not hard. I am new not stupid. :)) --- TheSawTooth ( talk) 19:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Krzyhorse22, you're an ignorant fool. I don't know why you are still allowed to edit on Wikipedia, especially topics relating to Afghan, Indian or Pakistani culture after you declared these people "corrupt", diff here: [98]. Hilarious given that you are mainly editing articles relating to Afghanistan and apart of WikiProject Afghanistan. I asked to be blocked for 3 months on User:StanTheMan87 for my own reasons. I now no longer need the block, but the block still stands, hence why I created this account to circumvent it. I know User:StanTheMan87 is the same person as me. Why do you think I put a disclaimer on this account ( User:StanMan87) which states this?... I also have something to add to this discussion. User:Maxforwind randomly appeared on the article Mohammed Omar on the 20th of September [99], [100] after Krzyhorse22 tried to remove images that I had uploaded to the article, by declaring them to be un-free and copyright violations despite their blatant fair use rationales [101], [102]. User:Maxforwind removed them off the article citing no reason, [103], [104] and no activity has been listed on his article after the 25th of September [105] when I removed one of the images myself to compromise [106]. This is highly suspicious and abnormal behavior, and no doubt if they are both socks there will be more of these accounts that Krzyhorse22 has employed on other articles to subtly spread his wack POV. StanMan87 ( talk) 11:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC) reply
I enjoy how everyone hates me, but I don't enjoy having conversations with males, I prefer females (I love women). Like Taylor Swift says in her song haters gonna hate, hate, hate... I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake. Haha. I'm not Maxforwind and I'm not using sockpuppets, if another person behaves and acts like me what's wrong with that? Is that a crime? What baffles me is why are Pakistanis and Iranians targeting this Lagoo sab? I mean what did he do that got you guys so hostile to him? If this was a real life event, he would have sued you. Just saying, lecturing you about U.S. laws and not making any legal threats, because in America you cannot target people based on race, religion or nationality. Courts take such issues very serious.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 15:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC) reply
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  •  On hold - This is not an endorsement or decline, just a hold for the time being. Background processes going on. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 17:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
  • The diffs presented do not consist of evidence. Simply accusing any person of being a sock is not an indication of sockpuppetry, it's usally the accusation of the same person. There is barely any actual diffs back to the sockmaster, and this is conjecture. Furthermore, from previous Kryzhorse interactions on an administrative level, I can tell you there is no evidence in CU to indicate abuse of multiple accounts. This matter and the retalitory sock allegations are to be considered closed. @ Krzyhorse22 and StanMan87: I warn you both to be more civil and to not engage in personal attacks like you did here. Further violations of that policy will result in blocks. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 17:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC) reply

04 October 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


Pretty much like last time, he created this account in August 2014 but knows too much for being a new editor. His earlier sock requested a CU check on User:Saladin1987 with same reason/suspicions as did Krzyhorse this time. Lagoo (and his socks) have a history of getting in disputes with User:Mar4d and accusing him of socking, here and at commons. Some matching edits:

Besides I have been following Lagoo's often edited articles and have seen many a time IP editors making same or similar edits as Lagoo's non-IP socks did. According to my understanding the last CU run on Krzyhorse22 matched his IP to Lagoo sab's IP (but the CUs didn't know). I can reveal here or via email this IP range. -- SMS Talk 18:45, 4 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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  • The behavioral evidence here is quite weak, especially in regards to the suspected account. I don't feel comfortable running a check (which wouldn't be of much assistance here), much less make a block based upon behavior. I'm closing this with no action taken. Mike V • Talk 23:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

24 November 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


Think its been kinda enough now, having let this sock of him go on for months. I thought someone else would make a CU, but to no avail, as no CU has been run yet. Like Lagoo sab and his other socks, he's literally obsessed with labelling everyone as sock, [107]- [108]- [109]- [110]- [111], with demanding everyone he has triffles with to be blocked, [112]- [113]- If I'm going to be indef blocked then User:Smsarmad (SMS), the guy who filed SPI without notifying me, should also be indef blocked. - [114] - [115] - "I also feel that Faizan be blocked for P.O.V pushing"- [116] - [117] - I think it's about time that Tajik is permanently blocked from en:Wiki, he was given so many chances but he arrogantly continues with his attacking people of different ethnicity while many admins have turned a blind eye to this- I requested he be blocked because he's not properly rehabilitated. That decision is in your hand.

Also, a perfect example, look here at this edit of Krzyhorse22, just like CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab before him, where he reinstates the exact same edit including edit summary, of a CU blocked sock of Lagoo Sab, namely Fareed30, on the same article;

Equally important, his very first edit on Wikipedia was to ask another user to be blocked. [118]. Ever seen a completely legit new user doing this?

Similar, structural ways of making edit summaries like previously CU blocked socks (this includes edit summaries by Krzyhorse as well as CU blocked socks as well as of the master);

more;

As well as very often passively agressive, some very racist/fascist, inflammatory, and ad-hominem edit summaries and responses of a remarkebly similar fashion (incl. WP:NOTTHEM); [119] - [120] - [121] - [122] - Krzyhorse22; "I don't give a shit who or what you are" I'm getting sick of this Iranian POV pushers - "If you look at the edits from the date this article was first created until right now, only Persians and Punjabis (neighbors of Pashtuns) came along with sneaky ideas to defame Pashtuns. These Persian and Punjabi sockpuppets all act like Yosemite Sam, obviously they're the same hate-filled sock abusers" - [123]- [124]- [125]- "It's a historical fact Afghans taught your ancestors how to read. Ghaznavids from Afghanistan brought to your ancestors in Hindustan the Persian language with instructions how to live like humans" - [126]- [127]- [128]- [129]- [130]- [131].

Another important one; Here Krzyhorse backs up the exact same stance, [132] as socks of Lagoo sab had done on the same article. [133] Regarding that same edit, he says that Pashtuns come from different origins, [134] a crucial and definite give-away thats typical of already CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab. [135]- [136]- [137].

Here Krzyhorse filed a page manually that had extensive material written by CU confirmed socks of Lagoo sab, especially Fareed03, on a page both he and already CU confirmed socks of Lagoo sab have edited. [138]

Furthermore, he and Lagoo sab sign their comments literally always the same way as well, namely with a "--" [139] - [140] - [141] - [142] - [143] - [144] - [145], up to including the last CU blocked sock.

As you can see its all structural and typical, with a focus solely on Afghanistan, Pakistan and sometimes India, and also rarely, like already CU blocked socks, on articles about American stars and foreign celebs. [146]- [147]- [148]- [149], exactly like already CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab. [150]- [151]. He also has edited with numerous known socks on Afghans in Iran (check its history, it includes NorthernPashtun, Lagoo sab) and Military of Afghanistan (it includes CU confirmed socks Jorge Koli, and Kaddoo), including as well with his current sock Krzyhorse22. [152]- [153]. This is all typical of Lagoo sab and his socks.

With little more than 2,000 edits, this new Lagoo sab sock called "Krzyhorse" has filed multiple SPI's, [154]- knows his way around a little bit too well, tagged numerous people, [155]- [156], made numerous ANI reports with the exact same demand, has the exact same behaviour as Lagoo sab & co (incl. being mostly in argues and filing people, often with people he had issues with priorly too), and literally his very first edits on this Krzyhorse22 account of his, was to try and get others blocked in an ANI request, including users with whom he apparently had alot of issues on previous CU blocked socks.

And yes, definetely a CU endorsment as I dare to bet there are sleepers. Pinging @ Smsarmad: and @ Magog the Ogre: as well as they have experience with the sockmaster. This is as clear as what. - LouisAragon ( talk) 02:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply

@ Bbb23:, hey, well good question. There are some non-stale IP's I believe that we could perhaps list, but I can't find any non-stale account atm myself. Maybe bypassers who read this as well as Smsarmad/Magog the Ogre have one behind hands. If you want, I could ping some others as well. That being said, I believe this large amount of compelling evidence should be on itself more than enough to block based on duck/behavioral match, as well as given the large amount of "coincidental" (*cough*) overlap in literally all regards already, am I right? Oh, yeah, I saw that SPI; its another bogus attempt. Was already laughing with Kansas Bear about it. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 05:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply
He dodged the bullet for about a year (touché to that), but he's so busted. Here another beautiful one on the same article;
Yeah, as Smsarmad indeed notes, the 39.41.x.x and 39.47.x.x ranges have extensively been used by Lagoo sab/Krzyhorse22. Its indeed the IP range he extensively operated for more than two years. Some more beautiful diffs of him on his IP. Luckily the mods (Dord and DeltaQuad) are aware its his. Same type of edits, exact same usage of English, same obsession to argue against people (Saladin1987, Mar4D, Smsarmad) he had issues with on his other socks (Lagoo sab, Fareed30, Kryzhorse30, etc) same racist/fascist comments, same way of signing comments like all Lagoo sab accounts (incl. his current sock Krzyhorse22)
(...) 39.41.134.92 - in which he tries to defame Afghans and favor Persians/Iranians
Krzyhorse22; - only Persians and Punjabis (neighbors of Pashtuns) came along with sneaky ideas to defame Pashtuns.
39.47.29.108 - You're just a racist anti-Afghan Paki sewer rat living as a refugee in Australia
39.47.29.108 - Somebody please run a CU on Saladin1987, you'll likely see that he's a sockmaster who created this account to falsify articles, edit-war, remove sourced content and push his anti-Afghan POVs. He's a Pakistani nationalist editing from the Brisbane, Australia, area. He has been blocked multiple times for various violations but has not learned his lesson yet.
39.47.119.158 - Hello Bbb23, I noticed that you blocked Saladin1987 before and it looks like he didn't learn his lesson because he's vandalizing and falsifying pages with unsourced POVs. I believe that Saladin1987 is used as a sockpuppet by a racist Pakistani editor living in Australia.
Krzyhorse22; "He is constantly pushing anti-Indian and anti-Afghan POVs everywhere and that is definately a quick blockable violation in Wikipedia. Not to mention edit-warring with everyone. I also suspect that he's abusing socks, from Australia."
Fareed30; "The guy in chat rooms was an ultra Pakistani nationalist living in Australia who hated everyone, especially Indians and Afghans"
Krzyhorse22; "These guys are not here to build Wikipedia but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian."
Fareed30; "(...) He has been abusing Afghan and Indian editors (...) vandalizing Pashtun-related, Afghan-rated and Indian-related pages".
Krzyhorse22; "Him (Saladin1987) being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Wikipedia and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information (...)"
Lagoo sab; It is established that the person is anti-Pashtun, anti-Afghanistan who only edits Afghanistan related articles by falsifying information (...) and oppressing the Pashtun editors."
  • One. total. mess. I dont think I need to post anymore IP's of his range as its kinda clear with the mods. We definetely need a long-term abuse file after this new sock (Krzyhorse22) gets blocked. - LouisAragon ( talk) 16:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC) reply

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Do a complete CU on me. I have absolutely no reason to use more than this one (1) account (Krzyhorse22), I don't know why someone would even waste its time filing SPI against me. Most of my comments posted above prove nothing but majority's views/opinions. It's like how majority of Americans feel about certain issues, e.g., like Muslims or people from the Middle East (particularly Pakistanis and Iranians). Almost every American you encounter will make a very similar statement.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 22:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Just want to add that I'm obviously not breaching Wikipedia's policies but if it makes you feel good I give you permission to block me. I don't lose anything.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 17:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • I think the evidence given here and earlier makes a perfect case of behavioral match but if reviewing admin thinks otherwise, he/she should start with unblocking the last sock Fareed30. Besides after the last known sock (Fareed30) was blocked I came across a number of contributions by IPs from the range 39.41.x.x, 39.47.x.x that matched Lagoo's editing pattern but did not feel like reporting the IPs for one-off edits (or you can count it as laziness on my part). Now per my understanding of some on-wiki conversations two CUs did a check on some IPs from this range a year ago and found it to be used by Krzyhorse22. And one of the CU did also agree that Krzyhorse22 "is likely someone who has previously edited Wikipedia". But since they did not know that this range is used by Lagoo so obviously they could not confirm him as a sock. Also these IP ranges geo-locate to same place as some (or at least one) of the confirmed socks of Lagoo revealed their location themselves. -- SMS Talk 10:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC) reply
Lel, you two extensively interacted through your previous socks. You asked the moderators to block him on numerous occasions. Playing fake games won't help anymore. Thanks for re-confirming (for the tenth time) your typical behaviour. Denying that you're a sock is typical behaviour you've performed on all your socks. Including the accusation of others while you're blocked/put in an SPI,( Lagoo sab/ Krzyhorse22 (can post many more of such)/ Fareed30) including here above as well. I got another 50+ diffs laying just here that confirm that you, Krzyhorse22, are, clear-cut, another sock of Lagoo sab. - LouisAragon ( talk) 15:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC) reply
You are wrong. This and this establishes SMS's location. The above "IPs from the range 39.41.x.x, 39.47.x.x" that SMS is trying to connect me to are used by SMS himself, see this, this, this, this, this, and this. Because it's established that he has long been socking, and the same person behind "the range 39.41.x.x, 39.47.x.x." has been creating socks to pretend he's someone else, to fool admins. Don't take my words for it, it's what others found, [157]. This is his dishonesty to get innocent faithful editors blocked so he can continue with his disruptive game. Last month, while I was minding my own business and not having any issue with anyone, he secretly comes here and files a nonsense SPI against me. Do you see his dishonesty? He's clearly up to something and it's not something good.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 18:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC) reply

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  • I've declined the CU request.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: Clearly, nothing more is going to happen here, so I'm going to close. If anyone wants to offer new evidence, they may feel free to file a new SPI. —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 05:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: I carefully red this SPI case and checked most diffs. I agree that Krzyhorse22 is not new editor, but I think the evidence provided here is not strong enough to definitely connect him to Lagoo sab. I think this case should be closed as the evidence is not strong enough. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC) reply

14 April 2016

Suspected sockpuppets


Lagoo sab created exactly 100 accounts (just counted them) since 2009 to 2013. It's impossible to believe that after creating 100 accounts just to push his POV, he just stopped editing Wikipedia altogether and did not edit for last 3 years. 100 accounts over the period of 4 years mean 25 accounts per year which if we keep his track record in mind, he should have 75 more socks over the period of 2013 to 2016. Its just not possible that he stopped editing altogether and did not try for a WP:STANDARD and did not create any sock. Krzyhorse22's first edit was a filing of report against another user at ANI, this never kind of sunk in with me that a new user would do that. After my last poor report under a different SPI which i filed in haste, the only report in which i failed. After failing in my initial report, i went through the SPI archives, noticed this SPI and this sockpuppet having been reported so many times. I got intrigued in this case and wanted to dig deeper. While comparing these three users, i am convinced as well that Lagoo sab, Fareed30 and Krzyhorse22 are same people. It cannot be a coincidence that Krzyhorse22 edits the same Afghanistan articles that Lagoo, Fareed and all other confirmed socks of Lagoo did, and has the same POV with so many similarities in behavior. I would also like to assert that since so many people suspect this user being Lagoo sab, it warrants that we should run a CU on this user and put our suspicions behind. Apart from the fact that these three users display the same interest and have edited same pages, following behavioral evidences should be good enough to establish him a WP:DUCK and we might not even need to run a CU, its hard to imagine that few user accounts would have so many similarities and be different people, one or two similarities are understandable but so many of them as shown below and in the archives by other editors are questionable:

Behavioral evidence

I will like to commend LouisAragon as well and will like admins to evaluate evidences presented by him one more time along with evidences presented by me. Also, there are quite good evidences by Smsarmad in that same report, have a look at them one more time. I think we are letting a sock off the hook for no understandable reason. Thank you! Let's take care of this, once and for all! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

  • @ Vanjagenije, Richwales, and Mike V: Can this request be looked into? It has been opened for a long time now. Richwales noted in previous SPI instance that there was not enough evidence but now more evidence is provided. Vanjagenije also noted in previous SPI that Krzyhorse22 does not seem to be a new user but evidence is not enough to link him to Lagoo. Now more than enough evidence is provided which clearly links Krzyhorse22 behaviorally to Lagoo sab, Fareed30 and some of his other sock. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Sheriff, both templates are public. See the bottom. Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan/Templates -- 2A01:B840:111:D8:6C70:F38:9ED5:9C88 ( talk) 01:12, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Thank you for pointing that out, that was an oversight on my part and I have removed it now from the list of evidences. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ QEDK: have very good experience in identifying WP:DUCK per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KnightWarrior25/Archive#04 April 2016, if he has time. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Drmies: Is there a way for you to manually compare the IP ranges from this report to previously saved reports from past successful runs and see if IP ranges match? They wouldn't match offcourse if user changed them but they should match if not changed and this could be another hint on top of behavioral evidence. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:23, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • User:SheriffIsInTown, I'm not the smartest guy (or girl) in town. If a record was kept of previous CUs, sure, but I can't find anything on the CU wiki. Bbb23, do you know? Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 15:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: There is clear behavioral evidence and if location is same, coupled with behavioral evidence, it should be good enough to block him as WP:DUCK. People change IP addresses and he might have done that as well. There was a nine months difference between Fareed30 and Krzyhorse22, although he would have completed the requirements of waiting at least 6 months for WP:STANDARD offer but how can we waive socking and let him edit while he has 100 undeclared accounts and did not follow the process for coming back. Also, what is the path forward in this if you still disagree. WP:ARBCOM? Can other checkusers look at the evidence? I trust your judgement but i think this needs second/third opinion. Is there something called duck test? I have seen accounts blocked on mere duck test and here there is so much evidence, not just one similarity, many similarities and they are being overlooked upon. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: Did you even look at all the diffs which were provided here? Help me understand how much evidence do you need? Also what evidence you did not find persuasive enough. Most of the evidence provided by me was all new evidence, only one item was from the SPI filed by LouisAragon. These SPIs against Krzyhorse22 was filled to brim with evidence and yet you do not find anything compelling enough. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: Obviously, you did not look at the behavioral evidence, Drmies already said in his comment "any confirmation will have to come from the extensive behavioral evidence outlined by the Sheriff, but that's a big task and I have to leave that for the next administrator" and you also claimed to LouisAragon previously that I won't be the person evaluating the behavioral evidence. I'm familiar with the IP issues so i am not sure why did you even close it if you do not evaluate behavioral evidence, this SPI was about behavioral evidence knowing that any CU will come out stale because of the time difference. I have spent so much time of my life collecting this evidence and nobody even looked at it before closing this. Do you know how much time it can take to collect this much evidence where there are 100 users to collect it from? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I dealt with Lagoo sab way back in the day when the sockmaster account was banned. SheriffIsInTown has asked me to comment here. If I'm not mistaken, LS was always impossible to pin down with his IPs, so we had to go based on behavioral evidence alone. And it was always of the sort presented here: very strong circumstantial evidence, but never a smoking gun. Given all evidence, it is my opinion that Krzyhorse22 is almost certainly a sock of LS. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 03:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23, Mike V, and Vanjagenije: I request that this case's status should be changed back to "open" and it should be decided after analyzing behavioral evidence. Please hold on the archiving. Thank you. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: I don't think Magog the Ogre can be a blocking admin in this case. I requested him to evaluate the evidence and give his opinion based on the evidence presented here and his past dealings with Lagoo sab socks and he gave his opinion based on that. Considering that I request you to change the status of this case back to open or pending or something else other than "close" or "archive" so that another CheckUser can evaluate the evidence since its obvious by your previous comments that you did not evaluate the behavioral evidence presented in this case. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:23, 8 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • I find some of the behavioral evidence strong enough for CU and ran it, but found nothing at all, and of course there is no date from older accounts to compare with. In other words, any confirmation will have to come from the extensive behavioral evidence outlined by the Sheriff, but that's a big task and I have to leave that for the next administrator. Drmies ( talk) 18:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I'm afraid I disagree that the evidence is any more persuasive than the evidence offered at least three times in the archives and has been rejected each time. SheriffIsInTown has probably never heard of the CU wiki, Drmies. I imagine he is refering to the checkuser logs. I've looked at those logs before. I've checked Krzyhorse22 before. The ranges used in the logs and the ranges used by Krzyhorse22 are not the same. The location is largely irrelevant considering the edits; you'd expect them to be the same. I'm closing this, and I hope to god that no one ever resurrects it, with this master or any other. If Krzyhorse22 is as disruptive as many say he is, then he should be blockable independent of sock puppetry.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 15:53, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ SheriffIsInTown: Any admininistrator is free to block Krzyhorse22 on their own, but this SPI will probably be archived soon, and it's unlikely any discussion will occur here. Arbcom is not going to get involved unless you bring a case request. A heads up: it's likely I will respond to any more posts you make here.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Magog the Ogre: If you feel that strongly that Krzyhorse22 is a sock of Lagoo sab based on the behavioral evidence, why don't you block the account?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 12:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ SheriffIsInTown: Your reasons why Magog the Ogre can't be a blocking administrator have no basis in policy. To any clerk or other member of the SPI team, unless you want to take some action, there's no reason why this case cannot be archived.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC) reply

03 June 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


Another so-called "grand return" of Lagoo sab. We're almost 10 years further since the first SPI, as well as some 100+ recorded sockpuppets. He just can't help returning over and over. Its been almost exactly 1 year since his last majorly disruptive sock was blocked; Kryzhorse22. Now, roughly a year later, both listed accounts ("Tummywinks" and "Kojakkrags") instantly threw themselves on Krzyhorse22's topic area (Afghanistan-Pakistan), employed the exact same editorial pattern, and both quickly got into edit wars with two users whom Lagoo sab has issues with for years. In "textbook Lagoo sab behavior", Kojakkrags ~ 50th edit was to ask an admin whether he could block user Saadkhan12345, an user with whom Lagoo sab & co. had an extensive number of argues with. He then continued quickly afterwards with more textbook admin shopping in order to get him blocked. [158] [159]. Likewise, in textbook Lagoo sab behaviour, "Tummywink" appeared on the stage, and instantly started inserting WP:OR material by the means of edit-warring against his long time enemy, Mar4d. Notice that Lagoo sab and Krzyhorse22 started fights with Mar4d on numerous occassions, and that Krzyhorse22's very first edits were to get other users of this topic area blocked as well. [160]

The amount of behavioral overlap is insane, as usual, but really "never a smoking gun", as Magog the Ogre correctly stated after the previous SPI. Coincidence however? Hell no! Never. I have dealt extensively with this sockmaster, so I'm pretty aware of how he writes, the way he writes, and what is petty " purpose" here is on Wiki. Even though both accounts have few edits on their record, they have the exact same POV as Lagoo sab.

More evidence;

There's no friggin' way that these two accounts, created within three months of each other, [167] [168] are legit accounts used by legit, new editors. Looking at the evidence, in combination with our long-standing experience with the sockmaster, everything seems to be pointing to another Lagoo sab charade.
Pinging SheriffIsInTown, Mar4d, and RegentsPark. - LouisAragon ( talk) 02:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Looks like a duck to me. The clear focus on downplaying Pakistani Pashtuns as a big giveaway. The behavioral similarities and the specific edits listed by Louis Aragon (and the rejection of Imran Khan as a Pashtun) are exactly in line with Krzyhorse22 and other Lagoo Sab socks. I've interacted with Kojakkrags and so won't block them but this is more than clear enough for a duck block. Recommend that and a check user to flush out additional socks. -- regentspark ( comment) 12:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - Katie talk 12:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply
  • All data related to the master and Krzyhorse22 are  Stale.
  • Kojakkrags and Tummywink are  Confirmed to each other. I don't see any sleepers. Blocked without tags pending behavioral investigation by those more familiar with the master. Katie talk 13:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Blocked and tagged as socks, behavioural evidence presented is convincing. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 07:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC) reply

11 December 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


  • As with all other Lagoo sab socks, "Minervials" shows, straight off the bat, that he knows his way around extremely well. Clearly showing skills that no new user would ever possess, such as creating solid redirect pages on behalf of his most favorite topic area; Afghanistan/Pakistan. [169] [170].
  • Though "Minervials" has a very low amount of edits, the Editor Interaction Analyzer already shows an incredible amount of overlap on numerous "textbook Lagoo sab topics/articles", with blocked socks "Kyrzhorse22" [171] and "Fareed30" [172].
  • Minervials considers "Afghanistani" and "Pashtun" to be similar to "Afghan", [173] the same way "Krzyhorse22" did. [174]
  • Alike Lagoo sab and all other CU blocked socks, "Minervials" never uses edit summaries.
  • Minervials has the exact same proficiency in English as Lagoo sab and the CU blocked socks.
  • The other sock, "KharkossAwanfromabbottabad", though stale, has an username completely in line with other CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab (cf; "Pekhawarimoderchod", or "KunwaazTajik"). In typical Lagoo sab fashion, these usernames were created by mixing the name of an ethnicity/nationality that Lagoo sab despised (such as Pakistanis; for more info please see the elaborate LTA case) and a local swearing word. Thus, in this new case: an " Awan" + the swearing word "Kharkoss". Even though "KharkossAwanfromabbottabad" has touched just two articles, both of these articles have been targeted very often by Lagoo sab and his socks (such as by "Krzhorse22" [175] and "Fareed30" [176]).

- LouisAragon ( talk) 18:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply

Pinging RegentsPark, Mar4d, and SheriffIsInTown. - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Drmies: Aight. Proper brooming.
  • "Kossmoderhazara", whom you just blocked, is a similar case to "KharkossAwanfromabbottabad" and "KunwaazUzbek": a local swearing word combined with a local ethnicity. The evidence posted + duck qualifications should be enough to block both.
  • "KunwaazTajik" is a CU blocked sock. Not sure how much "duck"" evidence is needed to prove that "KunwaazUzbek" (whom you just listed) is another sock as well. With all due respect, but after all these years, its like asking whether the sky is really "blue" or not. Oh, and while were at it, I found another obvious sock as well; "Kunwaazhazarafromquetta". Similar name, lots of overlap with Krzyhorse22, stale until recently. [177].
  • "Slave of Pakistan". ~ 7th edit was to create a sandbox. [178]. Has touched two articles in total. Both of them have been targeted extensively in the past by socks such as "Krzyhorse22". [179] Further in line with typical Lagoo sab nonsense, whenever its something "negative", he wants to put it on the shoulders of other ethnicites/nationalities. As long as its not a burden for the "Pashtuns". For example, on the Mohammad Omar article, "Slave of Pakistan" changed the sentence where it said: "(...) known simply as the Taliban (Pashtun for 'students')." into "(...) known simply as the Taliban ( Persian word for 'students')." [180] See the LTA page for more information.
You might wanna read through this stuff I added above and take further action.
- LouisAragon ( talk) 19:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
Hey, you don't have to go "literally" on me: KunwaazTajik was blocked in 2012 and this is news to me. But OK. I'll block the slave as well. For the other, I don't really see it plus that account is old. If they return with more quacking (you don't have to link "duck" for me) we can always block; you could put one of those "suspected sock" templates on their user page, and address their edits by reverting with maybe a note in the summary. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 19:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
Heh, sorryyyyy. Will do. Thanks for the effort mate. - LouisAragon ( talk) 19:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
Sure thing. The problem here is of course that these are busy IPs, with lots of accounts, and that they (or many of them) would be editing similar subject matter is a given (obviously I can't tell you where it is, but take my word for it), so I can't just block whatever I see, esp. if some or many edits seem, at first glance, to be make in good faith. The ones that I blocked, just to repeat, are all accounts that match technically but also have significant characteristics of your long-term abusive editor, in various kinds of ways--a few of which I figured out as I was doing this. But behavior must always remain a determining factor; I blocked someone incorrectly a few days ago, and that's just not a good thing. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 22:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • LouisAragon, I can check for sleepers but everything else is probably stale. User:KrakatoaKatie commented on an earlier SPI for this "professional writer" and information feeder in similar terms. Drmies ( talk) 18:48, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
  • OK that was more exciting than I thought. I'm going to start throwing out blocks for editors who are a technical match with Minervials and a behavioral match with your culprit. Drmies ( talk) 18:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
    • See my log for what I blocked, in case you want to start tagging. Not blocked: User:Slave of Pakistan (what an awful name), User:KunwaazUzbek, User:Spinner111, and User:Iranigozawarn, because I don't see the behavioral link, but maybe you do. Same with User:Korzmash92, User:StovestrawP1, User:NoorMohd. As for User:Boner in the dark, well, you know. Drmies ( talk) 18:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
  • There's nothing more to do here. Closing.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 18:54, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply

07 April 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


"Drayqueen" was created very recently (23 February 2019 [181]), has only made 176 edits, but already displays extensive knowledge of Wikipedia, and has considerable editorial overlap with Lagoo sab & Co. The utter vast majority of "Drayqueens" edits are made on the Afghanistan/Pakistan topic area, and Pashtuns/Afghans in particular. This is fully in line with Lagoo sab & Co. Though "Drayqueen" is a very new "account", he knew how to move an article within three edits, [182] and also displays perfect knowlege of the WP:RM process. [183]- [184] He has moved numerous other pages as well, e.g. [185]

These are all trademark habits/characteristics of Lagoo sab. For example, compare with blocked socks Krzyhorse22 [186] and Minervials [187] who also moved articles within very few edits on the very same topic area. Please refer to the Editor Interaction Analyzer [188]- [189] and the LTA case [190] for more information. - LouisAragon ( talk) 22:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Oh, and just for the record: a few days before creating "Drayqueen", Lagoo sab created this account [191] just to leave me a note on Wikidata. So don't be fooled by this. [192] - LouisAragon ( talk) 23:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply
More evidence:
Adding material about Pakistan sponsoring terrorism:
  • Krzyhorse22: "(...) Accept the fact that Pakistani terrorists are killing (...)" [193]
  • Drayqueen: "(...) the [Taliban] leadership is based in Quetta, Pakistan." [194]
  • Fareed30: "(...) he moved to Pakistan and became involved with Pakistan's intelligence agency to carry out terrorist attacks inside Afghanistan." [195]
Promoting Afghan president Ashraf Ghani:
  • Krzyhorse22: "Propagandists are attacking this world leader [Ghani] with pure nonsense (...)" [196]
  • Drayqueen: "It is said that Ghani wakes up every morning before five, and reads for two to three hours." [197]
  • AlimNaz: "Before returning to Afghanistan in 2002, Ghani was a leading scholar of political science and anthropology." [198]
- LouisAragon ( talk) 09:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Cabayi: @ Bbb23: Drayqueen and Bigguy388 are both probably operated by Lagoo sab, per the evidence. Only Lagoo sab would create a sock (Bigguy388) to leave me such a note. [199] There's more information about this habit in Lagoo sab's LTA case. [200] Furthermore, Lagoo sab has a history of creating socks with such names, compare e.g. Hazaraguy and Big bird in Afghanistan. Sailsamiras on the other hand is a sock of LTA Rowingasia, and thus unrelated to Lagoo sab. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you'd like to see some diffs. In short: comparing Drayqueen with Bigguy388 should yield resorts, whereas comparing them with Sailsamiras should not. - LouisAragon ( talk) 17:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • @ Cabayi: I'm not familiar with SRCU, but what makes you think that the two globally locked accounts at wikidata are related to Drayqueen, and how would it work anyway given that Drayqueen is not even registered at wikidata?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 13:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Bbb23, as I understand LouisAragon's filing, Drayqueen on enwiki, and Bigguy388 & Sailsamiras on wikidata are all Lagoo sab. There's nothing on enwiki to CU against. Both accounts on wikidata have already been blocked for other reasons but aren't yet stale. A crosswiki CU, comparing the enwiki & wikidata accounts would, possibly, tie all 3 accounts to Lagoo sab. Cabayi ( talk) 13:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, that would be do-able. If it still needs to happen please send an email to CU-l; it's probably easier to coordinate there. -- Ajraddatz ( talk) 17:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • A check on meta says that Drayqueen and Bigguy388 are unrelated, so we have three options:
  1. Lagoo sab = Drayqueen which is supported by a shared interest in Afghan/Pakistan/Pashtun articles. This case has sat unhandled for a couple of weeks so I assume nobody else has been struck by the degree of proof on this option. OR
  2. Lagoo sab = Bigguy388 which is supported by a one-off attack on LouisAragon on wikidata. Bigguy388 has been locked, so there's nothing left to do. OR
  3. All three accounts are unrelated, so there's nothing left to do.
I think a close is in order. Anybody disagree? Cabayi ( talk) 10:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply
One last piece: based on CU logs, Drayqueen is editing from a different continent than Lagoo sab did. Closing.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 13:44, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply

19 October 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

The IP was blocked in February 2021 for a month after they filed this SPI. Looking at their contribution history and talk page, it looks like the same person on a static IP, with very specific idiosyncrasies (see the large scale changes, language use and formatting in articles, as well as on their own talk page) since February 2020 till the present. Tayi Arajakate Talk 21:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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31 October 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Part of the exact same IP ranges which Lagoo sab & co. has used extensively for years, as well as the same editorial pattern (focused on Afghanistan, knows his way around well straight off the bat, POV pushing, ad hominems, etc.). Some diffs:


Adding this material for the record as per this convo with Drmies. You guys could probably check whether a rangeblock would be feasible. - LouisAragon ( talk) 22:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Tamzin: I don't think "Akmal94" is related to sockmaster & co. Although the edited articles overlap, a proper look reveals that the behavioural pattern and writing style differs strongly (overal). - LouisAragon ( talk) 01:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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This case is being reviewed by Tamzin as part of her training as a clerk. Please allow her to process the entire case without interference. You may pose any questions or concerns either on her talk page or on this page.

  • So, all looks behaviorally likely to me. It's disruptive either way, so if this were more recent, I would be requesting a partial rangeblock of 39.41.0.0/17 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) from the most affected pages. (A full rangeblock of the /17 would have far too much collateral damage.) However, there've been no edits in a few months, so I'm not taking any action now. @ LouisAragon: If disruptive Lagoo-sab-like edits resume from this range in the future, feel free to contact an admin and point back to this comment as clerk endorsement of a partial block of the /17 from whatever known Lagoo sab targets they're editing... as much for disruptive POV editing as for the likely (>50% probability) socking.
    Not going to close this yet, though, because in my research I noticed Akmal94 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki), and they match a lot of the behavior described at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Lagoo sab. I was not previously familiar with this case, though, and I do notice some clear differences too (most noticeably writing style), so I'm hesitant to endorse just on my own assessment. Louis, do you have any thoughts on whether that account is related to Lagoo sab? -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 00:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC) Edit: /17, not /16. 01:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks, Louis. I defer to your familiarity here. Closing, keeping in mind my note about future rangeblocks. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 01:52, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply
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Report date July 26 2009, 04:58 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Enric Naval

IP is causing disruption similar to how NisarKand does. NisarKand uses that IP range, see suspected socks and past CU request. See an example from sock User:Banigul, he always touches topics of Pashtun ascentry [1], and removes facts about Pashto having borrowings and origins from other languages [2]

I notice recent activity from that IP range in Silvia Lancome, a typical target of Misarkand. See this from 119.73.4.123 in 11th July, which is similar to this from 119.30.69.117 in October 2008, and that IP was tagged as a suspect sock of NisarKand.

This could also be a sock of User:Khampalak, who wrote another section about Bactrian descent.

I have tagged the IP. See Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/NisarKand for how a few socks were many times found when checkusering, so please run checkuser.

Ugh, and the other side, 94.219.218.20 ( talk · contribs), could be User:Beh-nam, he always accuses people of being socks of NisarKand.

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Checkuser request – code letter: E (Community ban/sanction evasion )
Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.    Requested by Enric Naval ( talk) 04:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC) reply



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Conclusions
  • Red X Unrelated. This is not NisarKand. I had previously blocked this guy as a sock of NisarKand, but after further investigation, I determined that this was in fact a different user (who is not currently blocked). Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 14:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC) reply
This case has been marked as closed. It has been archived automatically.
27 July 2010
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Ariana310

User:Ahmed shahi was blocked indefinitely but since then has used several sockpuppet accounts (check Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Ahmed_shahi/Archive) to edit Afghanistan related articles. I suspect he is now using the IP 119.73.7.124. Both accounts try to push the same set of POVs; and in addition their style of writing are quite similar. In all cases, 119.73.7.124 has good knowledge of how things are carried on in wikipedia, and is surely a sockpuppet of another user account. Ariana ( talk) 13:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply

He is also using another IP address of Special:Contributions/119.73.8.27, but at the end of his writing in the Talk pages, he/she manually writes its older IP address (119.73.7.124), for example in here. Ariana ( talk) 19:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply
The reason I suspected Special:Contributions/119.73.8.27 to be a sockpuppet of another account, is that apart from pushing the same set of POVs as User:Ahmed shahi and/or User:NisarKand, it directly engaged in edit-war in the Afghanistan article. My attempt to resolve the issue in the Talk:Afghanistan#119.73.7.124.27s_edits was not successful, because although he/she was unable to back his/her claims by reliable sources, he/she does not accept the outcome of the discussion, despite the fact that uninvolved third party editors gave their comments through Wikipedia:Third opinion. He/She is still reverting the sourced material in Afghanistan. And he automatically reported me in WK:ANI (Trouble_with_user_Ariana301), where the case was closed, and two times in WK:ANEW ( here and here). Ariana ( talk) 10:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply

It seems he has changed again the IP address, and is now using Special:Contributions/210.2.177.244. He made edits with this IP over the same subject ( Afghanistan's Foreign relations and military). I made a WHOIS for this IP, and it comes exactly for the same server in Islamabad, Pakistan. Although he has received warning for disruptive behaviour in the past (see User_talk:210.2.177.244), his latest edits in Afghanistan article were constructive. But what is annoying is that he reported me for "vandalism" and 3RR in WK:AVI ( here) just as he did with his older IP address. I thought to mention it here which might help the administrator in his/her decision. Ariana ( talk) 16:54, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply

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Have you considered the fact that Pakistan has about 177 million people and that "Nisar" and "Ahmad" are one of the most common names in Pakistan? It's like John and Michael in America. My internet provider has millions of customers and many of them use Wikipedia editing mainly Pakistan related articles, including neighboring countries sometimes. Not to mention that 1.7 million Afghan refugees live here and I guess they also edit Afghanistan pages.-- 119.73.8.27 ( talk) 01:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply

You use 3 year old data against me? When someone who is not doing anything other than edit-warring on Wikipedia and violates 3rr in front of my face I think at that point I'll be some how forced to report the person. I did that and now you claim I'm someone who she had problems with 3 years ago. I'm not the only one that Ariana310 engaged in edit-warring. We Pakistanis are always mistreated everywhere, you just find any old excuse to get us with. We are being opressed even in Wikipedia by people who are seeing their nations go down slowly because of their nonsense and non-working foreign policies.-- 119.73.8.27 ( talk) 07:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
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 Clerk declined CU should generally not be used to tie links between IPs and accounts, per Wikipedia:CheckUser#IP information disclosure, the case has therefore been declined for checkuser attention. That aside, we seem to be onto something interesting here. The IPs listed are from the range 119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)), that range has just recently come out of a 3 month block which resulted from it's abusive use by sockpuppeteer NisarKand ( talk · contribs) (who also focuses on Afghanistan related articles). Given that that range block was set with account creation disabled it seems unlikely that the IP range was/is being used by Ahmed shahi ( talk · contribs), as he has been creating accounts while the range block was in place. However, the range should probably be re-blocked, as it seems that NisarKand is still using it (now that the block has expired). Hopefully that all makes sense, although I'd recommend that an admin check over this with due care before taking action, since I'm not familiar with NisarKand. Regards, Spitfire Tally-ho! 23:44, 27 July 2010 (UTC) reply

119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) is an IP range of 4096 addresses. The fact that "Nisar" and "Ahmad" are common names is irrelevant. Behaviourally, you're continuing the same agenda against Ariana310 ( talk · contribs) as NisarKand did back in 2007 WP:DUCK. Spitfire Tally-ho! 05:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
I am considering an extension of the rangeblock of 119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) for another six months, and including a block of 210.2.177.244 ( talk · contribs). While sockpuppet investigation is not an exact science, when the accused person responds with the exact style of rhetoric that you were expecting from a nationalist warrior, and is in dispute with the same person (Ariana310) that NisarKand was fighting in 2007, it doesn't lessen your suspicion. There is a related comment over at WP:AN3. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC) reply
PeterSymonds has reblocked 119.73.0.0/20 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) for one year. I've blocked 210.2.177.244 ( talk · contribs) for one year, since I notice a previous block of that IP as a sock of NisarKand for three months in 2009. EdJohnston ( talk) 01:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC) reply

 Clerk note: please note that this case was originally opened at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ahmed shahi. Spitfire Tally-ho! 17:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC) reply

21 December 2010
Suspected sockpuppets

Taken from lost October request

Added from comments below

Please list evidence below this line. Remember to sign at the end of your section with 4 tilde characters "~~~~"

See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NisarKand; it appears there was a lost case a few months ago, for which checkuser evidence would be enlightening. Please note I am not necessarily accusing Lagoo sab of anything, simply processing the diligence required of an admin when he is asked to mediate an edit war. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 19:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Regarding users Lagoo Sab, Jrsko, Kaddoo:

user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena [ [3]]. The 3RR was quickly investigated by Magog tO. Kaddoo registered in June 2010. After editing in 5 different, Afghanistan related articles, he reported Inuit18 as a vandal. [4]. They both have intersect edits in 2 articles [5]. However, prior to his vandal report, the users did not edit the same articles [6]. Kaddoo has older knowledge about Inuits vandalism, pointing toward a more involved editor. At the same time, Kaddoo reports user Tajik for SPI [7] with whom he as intersect edits of 4 articles [8] and didn't edit any of the same articles prior to his report [9]. Kaddoo keeps adding new suspects [10] [11]which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. [12]. I haven't edited any of the same articles as Kaddoo, but he was the one who reported me as violating 3RR when having a dispute with Lagoo Sab about speaker population figures and supporting sources. It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity (see above ANI for diffs) I believe Inuit18 was one of the users I am supposed to be amongst several others.
Evidence regarding edit behavior of Kaddoo, Lagoo Sab, Jrsko: [13]. This is a collection of all edits sind user registration. Noticable is, despite editing in the same field, there are hardly any intersect edits: 0 intersects 7 intersects 0 intersects.
All is incommon, that they have an aversion to Tajiks, Shiites and call persian POV to whoever is not editing in their favor.
Evidence presented:
Lagoo Sab: 02:28, 6 December 2010 (diff | hist) Pashto language (’Official Status: rvv, Chartinael = anti-Pashtun POV-pusher, this article is about "Pashto" NOT about your Dari language and I know you're a Tajik ethnocentric) (if you need to read up with more diffs on my dispute with Lagoo Sab on figures and sources: [14]
Jrkso identity questioning: I feel that User:JCAla, User:Tajik, and User:Cabolitae should not remove the tags since they belong to the same particular group.--Jrkso (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Further noticable user pages of Jrkso is a one liner as is Kaddoo.
Kaddoo: 14:11, 10 August 2010 (diff | hist) N User:Kaddoo ‎ (←Created page with 'Hi, I'm an American serving in U.S. military in Afghanistan. I train Afghans.') (top)
Jrkso: 02:03, 2 November 2009 Jrkso (talk | contribs) (49 bytes) (←Created page with 'My name is Jason, and I work for a media company.')

Chartinael ( talk) 13:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Regarding Kaki joe. I am not sure, why no intersect edits come up with Lagoo Sab, although both have edited the same articles, namely Afghanistan and Pashto are shared articles for sure. [15] nor here [16]. His data is not included in the xls-file provided above. Chartinael ( talk) 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

User:Lagoo Sab is a sockpuppet of User:Ketabtoon. I contacted him through a just created account and his email and introduced myself as one of his allies and talked with him about the Pashtun-Tajik-Hazara editwars here on Wikipedia and told him I would support him against infidel Hazaras and sellout Tajiks. In return he told me creating at least two accounts and use them alternating. Further, he said between both account´s usage should be at least 3month break for not beeing identified as sockpuppet. He himself told me Ketabtoon is another account of him which is used on his cousins computer. Now it´s your duty as admin and guard of Wikipedia´s policy to do something against him. I can pass on his message to you if you wish.-- 94.219.98.69 ( talk) 07:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply

This is indeed a serious accusation, but I am not sure if the way you are presenting it is acceptable. Signing out and then commenting as an IP editor makes the impression that there is not much behind that accusation. If you have such an Email, you should forward it to the responsible admins (see list below). You should also tell them your real Wikipedia account (I do not think there is a need to tell the whole community your actual account). Tajik ( talk) 11:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Before it leads to a wrong assumptation I am neither a Hazara or Uzbek nor a Tajik or Arab, Kashmiri or whatever. I know that Wikipedia became a play-ground for all kind of nationalistic bias and I do not welcome such tendencies, be they from my own people, Hazaras, Turks or Tajiks, Arabs, Americans, Dutchs or Indians. It´s a shame for everyone of us to show ourself as sociel illiterate individuals on the world stage of information acquisition to all kind of poeple, particular to the western world you claim beeing and got your educate from. Maybe you should go and live for 2 weeks in Kongo or India where you don´t have money to food or water to wash yourself or a safe place. Where will this war on Wikipedia, media, politics, X, Y, Z lead us? What do you await from it? If you have some complexes than go to psychiatry and get some help. I do not say to stand for the correct policy of Wikipedia but I can´t stand it when people, obviously even from the same country and the same race, tear themself to pieces just because they do not want to accept other opinions. Who cares what XYZ did in the past and to whom XYZ belong. What do you hope for? That your situation turns better or that your countries getting more attention from the world? If that´s so than you seems beeing very pathetic. Not the history of a nation make him special but his DAILY contributions and DAILY outputs (Turkey, India, South-Korea, Japan, China, Indonesia, South Africa) for a better TOMORROW. Those who dropped off their sick visions and started to live in TODAY and not still in YESTERDAY, they just gained good (Turkey, India, South-Korea, Japan, China, Indonesia, South Africa) from all part of the world. You people suffered to much because of your lost identities (IDless>Identity Crysis) and thus you turned your own country to hell with millions of innocent deaths, millions of replaced people, the highest death rate, the before-last country on earth. Get a bit civilised. Wikipedia´s reader are not only some 14 years old boys and girls. It became in the last 5 years the most important reference to all government institution for all countries along the globe. What do you guess those politicians and diplomats think about you when they read your all kind of crap here, a tool of the western world, actually made for the civilised western world and the Air Force, that you rubbish it here now and today and you will keep on in tomorrow as well. That´s sick and smells! I appreciate you to excuse my crudeness to some Wikipedians here.

@Tajik You are not better than the rest of the many clowns here. I don´t want to share my time with you or you-alike guys. You are a shame for civility and Wikipedia. Your way to talk with them and providing sources is not wrong, but pick holes on someone and come up with your well-known that´s POV and that´s not, this is PPP and this is DDD. What is wrong with you. You are not better than them and not all your sources can be correct. References from others are wrong, except yours who are God-gaven from God to you. Grow up, boy. I also do not care if the admin ban those (including you) guys or not, but my parent´s did not teached me to blame others (this option a ultima ratio). When I contacted the person I just wanted to know if he is one of some known and already banned Users and a sockpuppet of Ketabtoon, who further, indeed, is of banned User:NisarKand and his thousand other socks. Your request telling my Account is not acceptable. Maybe I ant use it one day and it´s very easy to personate me as a sock of IP XYZ 10-5 which possibly would be a reason to block me, while the real vandalists are occuring here days and nights. But I am ready to present my email (shabirdurani@rocketmail.com). If anyone have any questions they are free to ask and contact me through my mail but don´t expect from me letting someone go into the knife which would be only my last action if there´s no view taling place.

@Admin Sometimes I do edit some articles, only minor faults or nationalistic POVs, but since Afghanistan-related articles have no own guards or at the best at least two Admins, those Users reedite those articles again. A sign that Wikipedia failed. Please take also a look on this, where Lagoo Sab is already linked to NisarKand and Bani Gul. Isn´t strange one get blocked and banned on Wikipedia and not one day later, another User registers do the same POVs and changes without any reactions of the admins?

Good morning-- 94.219.98.69 ( talk) 12:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply

OK, if that's not a violation of WP:PA, then I do not know what it is ... Tajik ( talk) 13:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC) reply
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The editor Inuit18 ( talk · contribs) who added my name in the October 2010 CU request is a banned editor [17]. fish  CheckUser is not for fishing, listing me here is considered fishing because I didn't violate anything. Instead, what I did was provide a valid argument in the talk pages of 2 articles ( Talk:Languages of Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan and Talk:Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan) so that the info is corrected. To thank me for this, User:Magog the Ogre decided to report me here. Seems to me that nobody follow rules, each person makes up own rules as they go along, and I feel this is a revenge to give me a bad name even though I'm improving articles in Wikipedia. I am against incorrect information presented as a fact in Wikipedia. As a result of too many mistakes and errors accepted by the west (America and NATO countries), they are now suffering and slowly going down the drain while countries in Asia are rising to the top.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 20:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Please assume good faith - especially given my words above. If you're not the same person, you have nothing to worry about. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 21:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
There is nothing for me to be afraid of or be worried about, I think I should be allowed to defend myself in each and every circumstance in my own free words. I felt this because you didn't bother to investigate the other editors who are all sharing the same POV and displaying a strong connection. Instead, you chose me so I needed to highlight this.-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 22:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Oh really? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 22:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
I would like to add another name to the check-list: User:Jrkso. Tajik ( talk) 22:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Is it possible to add a name? If so, user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena [ [18]]. Now that doesn't mean much, however, after just a few edits following account creation end of June this year he accused user Tajik of sockpuppeteering calling it an ongoing issue with Tajik since 2006 [19] [20] and keeps adding new suspects which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. [21]. It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity. I believe Inuit was one of the users I am supposed to be. Chartinael ( talk) 23:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Guys, I haven't looked at the content of either of these, but do other characteristics like editing style fit the glove? If not, I'm worried that indeed this is becoming a weapon to use against an opponent (e.g., checkuser is not for fishing). Why the hell can't you guys just fucking talk the issue over on the talk pages instead of spreading the issue like a wildfire across so many pages and making it all personal? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 23:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
I am not familiar with this procedure and what to look for. I found it odd that somebody I have never encountered before accuses me of having a connection with other users. I have noted, that Kaddoo likes to format his references identical to Lagoo Sab, I have no clue as to who or how the other user in question as to whose sock Lagoo might possibly be has edited. I only connected Lagoo to Kaddoo because of the 3RR back in October you responded to. Chartinael ( talk) 23:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Alright. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 23:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Just remembered, I explained something relating to October 2010 CU here which should also be examined. Thanks-- Lagoo sab ( talk) 00:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Okay, everyone stop. This is not the right venue to have your battles; we're here to discuss the plausibility of running a checkuser to compare Lagoo sab to other people. First, someone needs to update the Suspected sockpuppets section above to list the potential sockpuppets. After that, all I want is a concise explanation (preferably using diffs) to explain why we should look into those editors as being potential socks. And then I (or another clerk) will determine whether or not a CU is needed. Until then, take your bickering elsewhere. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply

Is the list you are referring to the one on top of this page? Or the one on the October request for NisarKand? Do you mean to add the names there can be done by anyone, like myself? And then to point out specific thoughts as to why this appears plausible? Does my reasoning above suffice or does it have to be more detailled? Chartinael ( talk) 00:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Yes, the one on the top of the page. I'm not concerned with the NisarKand request anymore. And yes, anyone who wants to speak up in favor of a CU request here and can provide evidence to back it up may add. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Ok, will do that tomorrow. Too late now on my side of the globe. Chartinael ( talk) 00:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
Just a note: I have added Haidarabas.safi ( talk · contribs) to the list. Tajik ( talk) 02:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC) reply
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  •  Question: I'm not really sure what's going on here, but are you asking to run a CU on the October 1 case on Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/NisarKand, i.e. to look at NisarKand, Lagoo sab, Mlbnk, Kaki joe, PanjshirPashtun and PashtunArtist? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 20:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Yes. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 20:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note:  On hold I have some private information to contribute to this case which should be discussed with a checkuser. -- Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 14:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC) reply
     Clerk endorsed Sufficient similarities to endorse, not enough to make a decision. Some technical data would be nice. With regards to my evidence, that can be handled separately and I will mail it to functionaries at some later date, probably after this set is resolved (as it is parallel, not directly related to this case). -- Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 22:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC) reply

 Confirmed as each other:

 Confirmed as each other:

Red X Unrelated to each other or to any of the above:

As far as I see on the technical end, there is no relation between the two groups of confirmed users. No comment with regards to any suspected IP addresses. – MuZemike 00:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC) reply

  • information Administrator note I picked Lagoo sab as the master account here, as it's the most active of all the accounts. All the confirmed socks under them have been blocked, and I blocked the master as well. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 01:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Users blocked, closing. Nakon 02:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC) reply
01 January 2011
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Procedural request for tracking purposes. User is already blocked. Nakon 02:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC) reply

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In the future, it's not necessary to report every confirmed sock here ( WP:NOTBURO), especially since it was already tagged and blocked as such. – MuZemike 02:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC) reply

12 January 2011
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Again. Among two issues, we have someone pushing the certain POV on Pashtun peoples and misuse of the term vandalism. There is one other issue that has me concerned, which I will not note out loud per WP:BEANS (but can do for another admin/CU upon request).

If this was a new user I'd be sure of the connection, but Xinjao has been around a while, unlike LS. However, who knows who the sockmaster is? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 03:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC) reply

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Hi Magog, I doubt the association. This user does not try to UP the figures for Pashtuns, declaring everyone Pathan Pashtun. His edits appear founded and he uses the talk page to address others whose edits he/she views as problematic. Regards. छातीऀनाएल - chartinael ( talk) 12:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC) reply

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  • Honestly I'm having a hard time figuring out why this editor may be a sock of someone. You can email me if you'd like. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC) reply

I probably didn't need to check, but since my assumption was wrong the last time in this case (There was indeed socking when I didn't expect it), I went ahead; Xinjao is Red X Unrelated. – MuZemike 15:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC) reply

  • Thanks for the heads up, and apologies to any user involved if necessary. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 20:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC) reply


30 January 2011
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Yet another user popping up out of the ether to edit war in LS's style. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 01:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply

I added User: Afghan hero to the list. Maybe someone can check him also? I base my assumption on his contributions [22] [23] [24] and his way of editing. JCAla ( talk) 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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It means we weren't joking when we asked you to play by the rules or face banishment. Suggestion: go back to your old account, apologize, sit out for a while and play by the rules, and maybe the community will let you back in. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 19:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Just to note that I've blocked the suspected sock for 24 hours for a 3RR violation. No comment on the socking atm. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply

Ranges may have too much traffic for a rangeblock. Another CU may wish to weigh in. -- Avi ( talk) 05:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply

  •  Relisted - As requested by Avi, can we double check these pls. -- DQ (t) (e) 11:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
  • In the meantime, I've blocked and tagged all the socks found. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 13:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
    • I'm on the line. I think there has been enough disruption from the user at hand to warrant some collateral damage (and I think the person behind the accounts at hand is quite possibly also behind the Ahmed shahi accounts, but I haven't really investigated since it makes little difference).
      It's currently quiet, but I'm going to keep a very close eye on the range for a while and block it if he continues the disruption. Feel free to contact me about this though, Avi! Amalthea 21:27, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
      • I'm actually marking this for relist again, just to see if the newest account listed - Afghan hero - is also in this group. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
        • Another  Likely match. TN X Man 23:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
  • information Administrator note Okay. Blocked and tagged. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 00:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC) reply
15 April 2011
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User:She has a bird brain came to edit war in Lagoo sab's style. In the Hamid Karzai's article history he indirectly showed that he is no other than Lagoo sab by stating and making his typical (false) accusations: "JCAla you are showing your typical shia pov by being a sympathizer to them ..." ( see here) There was no prior contact to the user so it is unlikely for any other person to state such things. You will also find that User:She has a bird brain edits exactly the same articles as did Lagoo sab with his countless socks. ( see here) The other users named are very likely less-used sock accounts of Lagoo sab. See their contribution history. JCAla ( talk) 08:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

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The following are  Confirmed as Lagoo sab:

The other accounts mentioned above are either  Unlikely or outright Red X Unrelated. – MuZemike 08:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

All the confirmed accounts are blocked, marking for close. TN X Man 14:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply
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I suspect [25] that Cabolitae is using JCAla as a single-purpose account to edit for promotion, advocacy or other unsuitable agendas. Cabolitae stated on his page that he is from Afghanistan who is in France and edits Afghanistan articles [26] and has added his name to the WikiProject Afghanistan members list as did JCAla, a user who is also Afghan and very familiar with France [27], both accounts edit the same Afghanistan articles. [28] [29] [30]

JCAla and Cabolitae edit very similarly using the same level of English in talk pages from a location in France I believe, and they leave behind very similar comments in their edit summaries, immediately get into edit-war with anyone who changes their watched pages. [31] Although they don't edit much, they sure appear to be watching the pages everyday, this elevates the level of my suspicion.

I believe that Cabolitae is using the JCAla account for personal political propaganda and to express his anger by bashing the U.S. and NATO-allied state of Pakistan [32] [33] and in the meantime to promote Ahmad Shah Massoud and the Northern Alliance, which is regarded in the mainstream media as a group of Category:Afghan warlords accused of ethnic cleansing and mass human rights violations, including killings, rapes and robberies. The official RAWA website is full of reports on that.

JCAla is very disruptive, he is turning Afghanistan related Wikipedia articles to his personal blog pages by copy pasting the same large portion of propaganda work that he prepared on all of them [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40], which is cherry-picked to reflect his anti-Pakistan pro-Ahmad Shah Massoud/Northern Alliance POVs. It's against Wikipedia's policy to host JCAla who wants to spread his politically motivated propaganda messages, especially if he is used by someone as a sockpuppet. Both users have been blocked before for edit-warring on Afghanistan. [41] [42] I listed the IP to help with the investigation, it is from France and I'm very sure it was used by Cabolitae. She has a bird brain ( talk) 06:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

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Go ahead, check it. Got nothing to hide. Other than that, be aware that User: She has a bird brain is more than likely just another sock of banned User: Lagoo sab. See his dozens of socks and the investigation here. Lagoo sab has systematically used dozens of accounts to further his political pro-Taliban stance and has engaged a variety of respected users in edit wars by simply restoring false information again and again. You will find that my two blocks for edit wars were when I was relatively new to wikipedia and both were in connection to countering political propaganda by his now-blocked sock account User: Jrkso (a fact then unknown to the blocking administrator). JCAla ( talk) 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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  • information Administrator note - I am 95% sure this is Lagoo Sab, once again, making sockpuppet allegations, because, in fact, he is a career sockpuppeteer. I suggest the patrolling checkuser check on the reporter as well as the reported user. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 08:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

I was already in the process of checking the reporter.  Confirmed She has a bird brain is User: Lagoo sab. Plus there are several more  Confirmed accounts on the IP:

The IP was already blocked for the anonymous editing from it. Dominic· t 08:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply

I've copied Dominic's findings from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cabolitae, as Lagoo sab appears to be the sockmaster. TN X Man 14:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC) reply
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Possibly another sock of User:Lagoo sab. Same editing pattern on the same issues, with the same pov and same tendency towards edit warring. See i. e. [43], [44], [45] or [46] JCAla ( talk) 09:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply

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The reporter of this request is the banned User:Beh-nam, who has used 100s of sockpuppets. See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Beh-nam His location is Toronto, Canada. [47] Please do a check on the report as well. He is the same racist ethnic Tajik and editing the same articles as Beh-nam used to edit. He calls everyone who oppose his view as Taliban. It is not right to see a banned editor report other people.-- Hkrclu ( talk) 14:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply

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 Confirmed that

are the same and very likely She has a bird brain ( talk · contribs), a previously blocked sock. Amalthea 10:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply

    • Blocked, tagged, done. TN X Man 14:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC) reply
12 June 2011
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Based on their edits, they're clearly not a new account. Similar domain of editing. Endorsing for confirmation and sleepers. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 08:24, 12 June 2011 (UTC) reply

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 Confirmed as being the same as Hkrclu ( talk · contribs). TN X Man 14:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC) reply

02 September 2011
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V7 was blocked on August 5 for edit warring. Two days later, on August 7, Mirwais' first mainspace edit was on Faisal Shahzad, a place where V7 had edited. The first edit was to go back to V7's version of the article, and they used the edit history "Rvv". No new editor does that. Endorsing for confirmation. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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Could I also get a check towards the account AlimNaz ( talk · contribs) please? Elockid ( Talk) 02:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Oh, and sleepers as well, if there are any. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Elockid is right, this appears Red X Unrelated to V7-Sport. The following are  Likely based on technical evidence to be AlimNaz, but are  Confirmed as each other:

Courcelles 08:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

  •  Clerk note: Interesting. Since AlimNaz is blocked as a sock of Lagoo sab, I've merged this case into that one. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: All of these accounts were blocked, but I updated the tags. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:07, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply
15 September 2011
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Another Strider filing. Requesting CU to check for sleepers. Elockid ( Talk) 03:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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No apparent sleepers. TN X Man 15:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

information Administrator note Already blocked by Elockid, tagged now. — Spaceman Spiff 16:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

17 October 2011
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Same philosophy on the same issues. Resistance to relevant arguments and normal dispute solution. Starts edit wars. Vandalizes user page instead of using the talk page just like one of Lagoo sab's socks once did. [48] I am not sure, but the contributions' history suggests that this could be another sock account of Lagoo sab. [49] Considering Lagoo sab's history this should be checked before engaging in long disputes with this user which could become irrelevant when this is just another of Lagoo sab's hundreds of socks. Thank you. JCAla ( talk) 08:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC) reply

It's been for almost one year, that I encountered various of his sock puppets on Afghanistan-related issues. These included User:Jrkso, User:She has a bird brain, User:Hkrclu, User:Hazaraguy, User:Afghan hero, etc. User:Gbh123 has the same point of view bias and he starts to insult people which he does not know on a racist basis(just like Lagoo sab).
Quote Gbh123:"typical ignorant afghan ignores the role of russia and other players in the civil war" [50]
Gbh123 immediately starts edit wars (just like Lagoo sab) and is immune towards engaging in conflict resolution via talk/arguments, etc (just like Lagoo sab). I had differences of opinion with other users but I was always able to sort them out by means of communication, compromise and a common basis regarding wiki rules. So far, if I encountered a user on Afghanistan-related issues with that kind of behaviour (as shown by Gbh123), it always turned out to be a sock of Lagoo sab.
You can also see that the account is relatively new (25 April 2011) [51] and has exclusively edited according to Lagoo sab's patterns. The account was used twice in April 2011 and then only in October to engage in this edit war. Lagoo sab uses many (!) different accounts in exactly this kind of way.
I think other admins who know about him will agree. -- JCAla ( talk) 14:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC) reply
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16 November 2011
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Lagoo sab ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to be very strategic and manipulative "editor". As soon as Jorge Koli ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) got blocked, this "editor" quickly resurrected NorthernPashtun ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and continued "editing" the very same pages with similar "vigor", bias, prejudices and aggressiveness. 68.27.248.223 ( talk) 14:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply

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  • There was a problem with my IP address being used by several other editors in the past where I work (Afghan Embassy in Islamabad) and I've emailed several admins to exlain this complicated issue, and one admin decided to help me out and he said just create a new name and that I shouldn't have any more problems. A few other Afghan staff here who used to edit Afghan related pages of Wikipedia are now stationed in other countries (i.e. User:NisarKand is in Moscow, Russia), he got married. Others don't edit the English version but the Persian and Pashto. I mentioned NisarKand because user:Mar4d accused me in the last 2 days of being him [52]. This Pakistani POV-warrior (Mar4d) is known for using many user names, User:Drspaz, User:Pahari Sahib, User:Raza0007.... he even steals images from the internet and uploads them to Wikipedia. [53] [54].-- NorthernPashtun ( talk) 21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
  • I used to edit from Canada where I was working there before being transferred here to Asia for 2 yrs and the things that those other editors who were doing many years ago should not be used against me. I'm an honest hard working guy who edit Wikipedia as a professional editor to improve pages as well as improve my English skills. Look at my edits and see for yourself. Thanks.-- NorthernPashtun ( talk) 21:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
  • I have absolutely no idea who this person behind the Los Angeles, California, IP is. I never been to that area in person or edit articles of that region.-- NorthernPashtun ( talk) 21:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
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  • NorthernPashtun is  Technically indistinguishable from Jorge Koli. Underlying  IP blocked already, but it wasn't set to catch logged-in users—and NorthernPashtun appears to have been an old sleeper, which is why we didn't catch it before when pulling technical data. If any more appear, please submit another SPI. Thanks! AGK [ • 20:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC) reply
24 December 2011
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1 2007 edit, 1 2008 edit, the edit after that clearly not new, makes about 500 contribs, and now is calling everyone they see a sock, with these accusations being baseless and like pulling some name out of a hat. Also Similar editing topics, and similar changes have lead me to request a CU, adding a relatively positive CU crosses the line for this type of disruption. -- DQ (t) (e) 18:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply

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  • Awaiting onwiki CU comment, going to block now before this becomes more of an issue. -- DQ (t) (e) 18:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply
    •  Possible bordering on  Likely. from a technical standpoint. Courcelles 18:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply
  • DQ's block is good. Closing. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 20:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC) reply
26 April 2012
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Afzalkhan123 is a SPA (one edit only) coming straight to a deletion review with same pov, same bias as Lagoo sab's sock farm. [55] TAzimi also edits exactly the same articles as Lagoo sab with exactly the same pov. (Pashtuns 60 % of Afghan population: [56] [57] ,edit warring: [58]) I have called him by the name of LS several times, after which, at least in the form of TAzimi, he was not to be seen again at the article I had called on him. JCAla ( talk) 11:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - not to mention they have the same writing style. I'd actually be surprised if these aren't LS, and if there aren't some sleepers too. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 12:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply

why are you accusing me of wrong names??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afzalkhan123 ( talk • contribs) 14:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply


Note: The discussion below was initiated after the unblock by Future Perfect at Sunrise as noted in the section below.

TAzimi is another sock of Lagoo sab. That is fairly obvious from behavioral grounds, editing and pov. Lagoo sab had good language skills, yet with some socks he tried to change his language for deception purpose, that is common practice among sock masters. Also, that TAzimi already used a sock himself is another fairly obvious sign. Furthermore, the CU said "likely" for TAzimi and Afzalkhan and Galaga1981. You say you are "not familiar enough" with the case and apologized to TAzimi for blocking, but yet you disregard the opinion of both Magog and me who are more than familiar with the case? JCAla ( talk) 07:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply
Magog is welcome to override me and reblock him if he feels confident about it on behavioural grounds. Your opinion, in contrast, is of much less value in deciding this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply
I can only quote User:Cavarrone who in regards to you said: "blame this behaviour" and User:Alanscottwalker: "I don't think your incivility evidences your administrative competence." JCAla ( talk) 09:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply
  • JCAla, could you please spend a bit more time compiling information on the similarities of editing style and the similarities in POV? Please keep in mind that FP and I both live half a world away, so the nuances of Pashtun nationalism are lost on us. I think it's likely they are the same user but I would like a bit more data. Magog the Ogre ( talk) 10:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply

I don't have time to check all the 40 or more of Lagoo sab's socks for comparison, but there are fairly easy things to point out that make the connection obvious:

Ethnicity and Linguistics of Afghanistan

  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 removing "Tajiks form the majority ..." although backed by the reference in the article ( Farsiwan = Tajiks and associated groups) and replacing with exactly the same version as Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Northern Pashtun" [59] [60] -> compare to the edits by Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Northern Pashtun" [61] [62]
  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 in above mentioned edits emphasizes same source on ethnicity as Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Jrkso" on the Afghanistan talk [63]
  • TAzimi putting in questionable sources (which are in direct contradiction to the main-stream estimates) putting the percentage of Pashtun people in Afghanistan on a range up to 60%. [64] -> There were endless discussions with Lagoo sab about the ethnic (including linguistic) composition of Afghanistan. One out of many threads in which he also introduced the number 60 % for Pashtuns/Pashto. [65]

Dislike for Shia Islam

  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 putting the category Shia Islam under the article about a murder case [66]
  • TAzimi removing [Shia] "Iran" and "Iranian" [67]
  • Lagoo sab's monologue on a supposed Shia wikipedia conspiracy [68]

Fondness of Hamid Karzai

  • TAzimi (pro-Karzai, removing "Kingdom of Afghanistan", adding "political scientist" under profession) [69]
  • Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "She has a bird brain" (pro-Karzai, removing fraud allegations, adding "political scientist" under profession) [70] -> Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Jorge Koli" (removing "Kingdom of Afghanistan") [71]

Same sources and pov

  • See Afzalkhan123's pov speech citing the unreliable propaganda source rawa: [72] [73]
  • See Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "She has a bird brain" making a similar speech using the same source: [74]

BTW, it is quite interesting and funny that besides Cabolitae, me and several others, both, Future Perfect at Sunrise [75] and Magog [76], have also been accused of sockpuppetry and POV propaganda by Lagoo sab in the past. ;)

Further indications:

  • TAzimi removing "Dari Persian" (which is the other official language of Afghanistan besides Pashto), emphasizing "to a Pashtun family" [77]
  • TAzimi has the same arguing style when in content disputes as Lagoo sab (mainly claiming "POV" and telling people to "go and find another article to edit") [78] [79]
  • Editing exactly the same articles: Afghanistan, Ethnicity of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, etc.
  • Also Galaga was obviously created for the purpose of being able to edit war more openly on LS's issues, as its first edits immediately go for it.

JCAla ( talk) 16:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC) reply

    • That's good enough for me; I've heard this song and dance before about "oh I'm not Lagoo Sab." Don't the CUs keep logs for the IPs of well-known sockpuppeteers? Magog the Ogre ( talk) 01:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC) reply
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The following are  Likely matches to each other -all of the accounts in the archive are  Stale:

Blocked all three. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC) reply

Post-closure update: after an unblock request at [80], and after reviewing the contributions of TAzimi, I now feel confident on behavioral grounds that he is not the same as Afzalkhan123. TAzimi has admitted to have used Galaga1981 as an alternative account, but I did not find any obviously deceptive use of it. There is a something of a remaining suspicion, because TAzimi's initial edits don't look like those of an entirely new user, but since at this point I have no clear grounds for identifying him with either Lagoo sab or any of the other sockmasters I know, I have unblocked his account for now. Others are welcome to review. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC) reply
Re-closing, as Magog has re-blocked the TAzimi account per the new evidence above. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC) reply
08 September 2012
Suspected sockpuppets


Was dropped on my talk page by another edit a few days ago, where some discussion has taken place. There is crossover in the proper topics [81], and behavioral linkage. Nasir seems to not be as new as he is, and there are other behaviors, including an interest in socks, and others that I would rather not disclose publicly. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (per request of Lysozym) reply

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. Hi, I noticed you added my name to this page but I'm not either of the two persons which Lysozym ( talk · contribs) accused me to be. I have opposed the edits of Nasir Ghobar in one of the article and reverted him several times (please see my talk page). My account is not even new, because I have created articles, mainly about Pashto (its dialects), and expanded/moved to correct titles the already existing articles about Afghan calendar, about several Pashtun tribes and about some of the other topics about my country (Afghanistan). So because of my edits, I can't be any of those two persons, thanks. Khestwol ( talk) 14:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (copied from the talk page of Dennis Brown) reply

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  •  Additional information needed Sorry Dennis, but i'm going to require more info, especially when stuff like:

(cur | prev) 05:59, August 16, 2012‎ Khestwol (t | c | block)‎ . . (+1,170)‎ . . (Undid revision 507642814 by Nasir Ghobar (talk) unexplained removal of content (China shouldn't be removed from the country list, as Tarim Basin was conquered), reverted unexplained changes) (×)

shows up. You have many ways to reach me, so just drop me a note somewhere. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC) reply
Second name removed, again by another user and most of my searches was on the first, so the second is an error. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Archive is  Stale,  Confirmed the following are related to each other:
  • Tagged and blocked. AGK [•] 12:24, 17 September 2012 (UTC) reply
22 December 2012
Suspected sockpuppets

Following a suggestion and a quite obnoxious comment at User talk:Chilum aw charrs, I took a quick glance; either I'm misunderstanding the usage of IPs in Pakistan, or this is a whole pile of socking going on -- which is exactly the pattern from Lagoo sab. Someone with more experience with this serial socker should take a look and see if it seems to match. -- jpgordon ::==( o ) 17:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC) reply

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22 January 2013
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I got an email which said this editor was likely a sock of LS. Contribution history of the suspect sock shows nothing but overlap [82] Both use similar edit summarys LS suspect sock And both seem to have issues about the Pashto language LS suspect sock Darkness Shines ( talk) 00:11, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply

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  • Blocked as an obvious sock. Recommend awaiting a checkuser to find sleepers. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 00:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk endorsed - Behavior looks spot on. Previous checks have turned up dozens of socks, so a new check would seem worth it. Someguy1221 ( talk) 01:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply
 Checkuser note: Lots to find, but...nothing new.  Frank  |   talk  02:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC) reply
05 November 2013
Suspected sockpuppets


Fareed30 edits in the same topic area as LS and his other socks used to do with a similar Afghan/Pashtun POV. Though Fareed30 registered late last year but strangely enough knows the history of editing/socking in this topic area very well.( [83], [84]). And this is a reference to an established editor against whom LS sock(s) have previously filed SPIs (here and at commons) and had a number of editing disputes. A new editor can not figure out this much details as given in the edit summaries.

Matching edits

Partial match

There may be many more intersecting edits I assume but I guess this much are sufficient to establish a case. SMS Talk 22:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC) reply

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20 November 2014
Suspected sockpuppets

Same Afghan POV, taking content disputes to administrator noticeboards for getting editors blocked with baseless allegations. Calling every one a sock puppet. Looks to be a behavior and pattern match to me. Asking for a CU, and also pinging Magog the Ogre, he has much experience in dealing with this guy in previous SPI (archives). Fai zan 15:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply

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Nice try but I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone, a totally new editor who happens to be interested in some Afghan topics, according to Faizan, everyone who edits an Afghan page is a sockpuppet. I repeatedly told admins in the past at ANI board that my first edits were nominating an unfree image of Mullah Omar which got deleted along with my first edits. You can accuse me all you want but it will show that I'm not abusing multiple accounts or using IPs disruptively. While admin does a CU on me, I request that a CU be done on Faizan and on User:TheSawTooth just to clear things up. These guys are not here to build Wikipedia but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply

You and your buddy have asked it before [85] in same Zarb e Azb topic. Will you ask every day now? -- TheSawTooth ( talk) 20:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
He's not my buddy. You can request a CU on me every day, I don't mind it because I don't have any reason to use more than one account. My issue with you two is not using more than one account, it's you being aggressive P.O.V pushers falsifying articles and edit-warring with people who are not Pakistanis. An editor could use more than one account as long as he/she doesn't do what you two are doing, falsifying information and then create a WP:BATTLEGROUND.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
You said that before as well in your unblock request when you were lagoo sab. -- TheSawTooth ( talk) 21:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Wouldn't you agree that your very first 11 edits are very strange for a new editor? This one suggests that you're in eastern Australia (likely Brisbane), the same place where Saladin1987 ( talk · contribs) is editing from (will provide diffs if requested to). You're on the same interesting mission, with TheSawTooth you're wrongly adding "Afghan terrorists" and with Saladin1987 you're removing "Afghan" origins from famous Indian people. You may think that's slickness but it's only childish and very stupid because Wikipedia is not the only source. It is giving Pakistani editors an ugly image.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 22:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC) reply
I see nothing wrong in his first edits. Infact he started off just like a new beginner, not on ANI accusing someone of socking like you did. Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever), when you will abandon your ancient primitive habit of accusing others of socking? Fai zan 08:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
I didn't ask you. No, per my opinion he started off pretending to be a new beginner. I told you that my first edits were deleted so they were not on ANI. And that guy I reported at ANI ( User:StanTheMan87) got himself blocked and then created this new name ( User:StanMan87), clearly he's up to something (see also User:StanTheMan) and my report on him was justified due to his strange and aggressive behavior. I was accused of sockpuppeting by his friend ( User:DocumentError) but the case was dismissed ( Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Irapart/Archive), well, he attempted to see if I was using sockpuppets. You're now accusing me of sockpuppeting so I guess you and every body else making sock accusations are also Lagoo sab? Him being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Wikipedia and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information and then reporting anyone who tries to fix your falsification. I'm confused why admins are turning blind eye on you, maybe they don't want to be involved with Pakistani related topics and I don't blame them on that. Pakistani pages are all a mess.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 12:29, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
  • Look sock of Lagoo sab [86] has same behavior of calling everyone sock puppet on talkpage. Check Krazyhorse's IP with checkuser. -- TheSawTooth ( talk) 14:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
    • You mean the part that talks about User:Mar4d being in Brisbane, Australia, like you and Saladin1987 and abusing multiple accounts? Well, thanks for bringing that here, it advances my suspicion about you abusing multiple accounts. I request that admins also check you and Faizan because I don't feel like starting a new SPI.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
      • These diffs pertain to one Pakistani editor who is abusively and disruptively using multiple accounts and he connects through Telstra Internet from Brisbane, Australia. [87] [88] [89] [90] [91] [92] (notice the "au" (Australia) at the google book link he posted), it means he's in Australia something most people don't catch. I have a feeling that TheSawTooth is connected to this person. Faizan stated above "Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever)" and TheSawTooth didn't even try to deny it. He is using one account to remove Afghan references from famous Indians [93] and another account which was created less than a month ago to attack Afghans. [94]-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 20:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply

Krazy horse you are confirming your behavior. One more point:

  • "I recommend TheSawTooth be blocked for disruption" [95]
  • "I also feel that Faizan be blocked for P.O.V. pushing" [96]
  • "I recommend that you and Mar4d be blocked until you reform" [97]

It is the same style of writing of Krazy and Kiftaan. Hence left hand side is equal to right hand side. Thus proved Lagoo sab is puppetmaster of Krazy horse and Kiftaan. --- TheSawTooth ( talk) 20:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply

  • Should I write in Chinese language in order not to be suspected as another editor? You know so much about puppet masters. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that almost every Pakistani editor is a puppet master and that includes you. Using more than one screen name is one thing (which is allowed in certain situations), and if I used another name in the past maybe I thought Wikipedia was a social network like Facebook but I'm only using one name. That's understandable and many have used more than one name. However, using more than one name to deliberately falsify articles is a clear cut violation. That's what you and Faizan are doing and I can't help but to expose you. It's funny how you were created less than a month ago and you know so much about a blocked editor over one year ago. This alone confirms that you're in fact puppet master.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 21:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Every past action of puppet master is in archive it is not hard. I am new not stupid. :)) --- TheSawTooth ( talk) 19:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC) reply
Krzyhorse22, you're an ignorant fool. I don't know why you are still allowed to edit on Wikipedia, especially topics relating to Afghan, Indian or Pakistani culture after you declared these people "corrupt", diff here: [98]. Hilarious given that you are mainly editing articles relating to Afghanistan and apart of WikiProject Afghanistan. I asked to be blocked for 3 months on User:StanTheMan87 for my own reasons. I now no longer need the block, but the block still stands, hence why I created this account to circumvent it. I know User:StanTheMan87 is the same person as me. Why do you think I put a disclaimer on this account ( User:StanMan87) which states this?... I also have something to add to this discussion. User:Maxforwind randomly appeared on the article Mohammed Omar on the 20th of September [99], [100] after Krzyhorse22 tried to remove images that I had uploaded to the article, by declaring them to be un-free and copyright violations despite their blatant fair use rationales [101], [102]. User:Maxforwind removed them off the article citing no reason, [103], [104] and no activity has been listed on his article after the 25th of September [105] when I removed one of the images myself to compromise [106]. This is highly suspicious and abnormal behavior, and no doubt if they are both socks there will be more of these accounts that Krzyhorse22 has employed on other articles to subtly spread his wack POV. StanMan87 ( talk) 11:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC) reply
I enjoy how everyone hates me, but I don't enjoy having conversations with males, I prefer females (I love women). Like Taylor Swift says in her song haters gonna hate, hate, hate... I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake. Haha. I'm not Maxforwind and I'm not using sockpuppets, if another person behaves and acts like me what's wrong with that? Is that a crime? What baffles me is why are Pakistanis and Iranians targeting this Lagoo sab? I mean what did he do that got you guys so hostile to him? If this was a real life event, he would have sued you. Just saying, lecturing you about U.S. laws and not making any legal threats, because in America you cannot target people based on race, religion or nationality. Courts take such issues very serious.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 15:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC) reply
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  •  On hold - This is not an endorsement or decline, just a hold for the time being. Background processes going on. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 17:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC) reply
  • The diffs presented do not consist of evidence. Simply accusing any person of being a sock is not an indication of sockpuppetry, it's usally the accusation of the same person. There is barely any actual diffs back to the sockmaster, and this is conjecture. Furthermore, from previous Kryzhorse interactions on an administrative level, I can tell you there is no evidence in CU to indicate abuse of multiple accounts. This matter and the retalitory sock allegations are to be considered closed. @ Krzyhorse22 and StanMan87: I warn you both to be more civil and to not engage in personal attacks like you did here. Further violations of that policy will result in blocks. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 17:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC) reply

04 October 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


Pretty much like last time, he created this account in August 2014 but knows too much for being a new editor. His earlier sock requested a CU check on User:Saladin1987 with same reason/suspicions as did Krzyhorse this time. Lagoo (and his socks) have a history of getting in disputes with User:Mar4d and accusing him of socking, here and at commons. Some matching edits:

Besides I have been following Lagoo's often edited articles and have seen many a time IP editors making same or similar edits as Lagoo's non-IP socks did. According to my understanding the last CU run on Krzyhorse22 matched his IP to Lagoo sab's IP (but the CUs didn't know). I can reveal here or via email this IP range. -- SMS Talk 18:45, 4 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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  • The behavioral evidence here is quite weak, especially in regards to the suspected account. I don't feel comfortable running a check (which wouldn't be of much assistance here), much less make a block based upon behavior. I'm closing this with no action taken. Mike V • Talk 23:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC) reply

24 November 2015

Suspected sockpuppets


Think its been kinda enough now, having let this sock of him go on for months. I thought someone else would make a CU, but to no avail, as no CU has been run yet. Like Lagoo sab and his other socks, he's literally obsessed with labelling everyone as sock, [107]- [108]- [109]- [110]- [111], with demanding everyone he has triffles with to be blocked, [112]- [113]- If I'm going to be indef blocked then User:Smsarmad (SMS), the guy who filed SPI without notifying me, should also be indef blocked. - [114] - [115] - "I also feel that Faizan be blocked for P.O.V pushing"- [116] - [117] - I think it's about time that Tajik is permanently blocked from en:Wiki, he was given so many chances but he arrogantly continues with his attacking people of different ethnicity while many admins have turned a blind eye to this- I requested he be blocked because he's not properly rehabilitated. That decision is in your hand.

Also, a perfect example, look here at this edit of Krzyhorse22, just like CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab before him, where he reinstates the exact same edit including edit summary, of a CU blocked sock of Lagoo Sab, namely Fareed30, on the same article;

Equally important, his very first edit on Wikipedia was to ask another user to be blocked. [118]. Ever seen a completely legit new user doing this?

Similar, structural ways of making edit summaries like previously CU blocked socks (this includes edit summaries by Krzyhorse as well as CU blocked socks as well as of the master);

more;

As well as very often passively agressive, some very racist/fascist, inflammatory, and ad-hominem edit summaries and responses of a remarkebly similar fashion (incl. WP:NOTTHEM); [119] - [120] - [121] - [122] - Krzyhorse22; "I don't give a shit who or what you are" I'm getting sick of this Iranian POV pushers - "If you look at the edits from the date this article was first created until right now, only Persians and Punjabis (neighbors of Pashtuns) came along with sneaky ideas to defame Pashtuns. These Persian and Punjabi sockpuppets all act like Yosemite Sam, obviously they're the same hate-filled sock abusers" - [123]- [124]- [125]- "It's a historical fact Afghans taught your ancestors how to read. Ghaznavids from Afghanistan brought to your ancestors in Hindustan the Persian language with instructions how to live like humans" - [126]- [127]- [128]- [129]- [130]- [131].

Another important one; Here Krzyhorse backs up the exact same stance, [132] as socks of Lagoo sab had done on the same article. [133] Regarding that same edit, he says that Pashtuns come from different origins, [134] a crucial and definite give-away thats typical of already CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab. [135]- [136]- [137].

Here Krzyhorse filed a page manually that had extensive material written by CU confirmed socks of Lagoo sab, especially Fareed03, on a page both he and already CU confirmed socks of Lagoo sab have edited. [138]

Furthermore, he and Lagoo sab sign their comments literally always the same way as well, namely with a "--" [139] - [140] - [141] - [142] - [143] - [144] - [145], up to including the last CU blocked sock.

As you can see its all structural and typical, with a focus solely on Afghanistan, Pakistan and sometimes India, and also rarely, like already CU blocked socks, on articles about American stars and foreign celebs. [146]- [147]- [148]- [149], exactly like already CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab. [150]- [151]. He also has edited with numerous known socks on Afghans in Iran (check its history, it includes NorthernPashtun, Lagoo sab) and Military of Afghanistan (it includes CU confirmed socks Jorge Koli, and Kaddoo), including as well with his current sock Krzyhorse22. [152]- [153]. This is all typical of Lagoo sab and his socks.

With little more than 2,000 edits, this new Lagoo sab sock called "Krzyhorse" has filed multiple SPI's, [154]- knows his way around a little bit too well, tagged numerous people, [155]- [156], made numerous ANI reports with the exact same demand, has the exact same behaviour as Lagoo sab & co (incl. being mostly in argues and filing people, often with people he had issues with priorly too), and literally his very first edits on this Krzyhorse22 account of his, was to try and get others blocked in an ANI request, including users with whom he apparently had alot of issues on previous CU blocked socks.

And yes, definetely a CU endorsment as I dare to bet there are sleepers. Pinging @ Smsarmad: and @ Magog the Ogre: as well as they have experience with the sockmaster. This is as clear as what. - LouisAragon ( talk) 02:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply

@ Bbb23:, hey, well good question. There are some non-stale IP's I believe that we could perhaps list, but I can't find any non-stale account atm myself. Maybe bypassers who read this as well as Smsarmad/Magog the Ogre have one behind hands. If you want, I could ping some others as well. That being said, I believe this large amount of compelling evidence should be on itself more than enough to block based on duck/behavioral match, as well as given the large amount of "coincidental" (*cough*) overlap in literally all regards already, am I right? Oh, yeah, I saw that SPI; its another bogus attempt. Was already laughing with Kansas Bear about it. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 05:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply
He dodged the bullet for about a year (touché to that), but he's so busted. Here another beautiful one on the same article;
Yeah, as Smsarmad indeed notes, the 39.41.x.x and 39.47.x.x ranges have extensively been used by Lagoo sab/Krzyhorse22. Its indeed the IP range he extensively operated for more than two years. Some more beautiful diffs of him on his IP. Luckily the mods (Dord and DeltaQuad) are aware its his. Same type of edits, exact same usage of English, same obsession to argue against people (Saladin1987, Mar4D, Smsarmad) he had issues with on his other socks (Lagoo sab, Fareed30, Kryzhorse30, etc) same racist/fascist comments, same way of signing comments like all Lagoo sab accounts (incl. his current sock Krzyhorse22)
(...) 39.41.134.92 - in which he tries to defame Afghans and favor Persians/Iranians
Krzyhorse22; - only Persians and Punjabis (neighbors of Pashtuns) came along with sneaky ideas to defame Pashtuns.
39.47.29.108 - You're just a racist anti-Afghan Paki sewer rat living as a refugee in Australia
39.47.29.108 - Somebody please run a CU on Saladin1987, you'll likely see that he's a sockmaster who created this account to falsify articles, edit-war, remove sourced content and push his anti-Afghan POVs. He's a Pakistani nationalist editing from the Brisbane, Australia, area. He has been blocked multiple times for various violations but has not learned his lesson yet.
39.47.119.158 - Hello Bbb23, I noticed that you blocked Saladin1987 before and it looks like he didn't learn his lesson because he's vandalizing and falsifying pages with unsourced POVs. I believe that Saladin1987 is used as a sockpuppet by a racist Pakistani editor living in Australia.
Krzyhorse22; "He is constantly pushing anti-Indian and anti-Afghan POVs everywhere and that is definately a quick blockable violation in Wikipedia. Not to mention edit-warring with everyone. I also suspect that he's abusing socks, from Australia."
Fareed30; "The guy in chat rooms was an ultra Pakistani nationalist living in Australia who hated everyone, especially Indians and Afghans"
Krzyhorse22; "These guys are not here to build Wikipedia but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian."
Fareed30; "(...) He has been abusing Afghan and Indian editors (...) vandalizing Pashtun-related, Afghan-rated and Indian-related pages".
Krzyhorse22; "Him (Saladin1987) being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Wikipedia and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information (...)"
Lagoo sab; It is established that the person is anti-Pashtun, anti-Afghanistan who only edits Afghanistan related articles by falsifying information (...) and oppressing the Pashtun editors."
  • One. total. mess. I dont think I need to post anymore IP's of his range as its kinda clear with the mods. We definetely need a long-term abuse file after this new sock (Krzyhorse22) gets blocked. - LouisAragon ( talk) 16:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC) reply

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Do a complete CU on me. I have absolutely no reason to use more than this one (1) account (Krzyhorse22), I don't know why someone would even waste its time filing SPI against me. Most of my comments posted above prove nothing but majority's views/opinions. It's like how majority of Americans feel about certain issues, e.g., like Muslims or people from the Middle East (particularly Pakistanis and Iranians). Almost every American you encounter will make a very similar statement.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 22:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Just want to add that I'm obviously not breaching Wikipedia's policies but if it makes you feel good I give you permission to block me. I don't lose anything.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 17:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • I think the evidence given here and earlier makes a perfect case of behavioral match but if reviewing admin thinks otherwise, he/she should start with unblocking the last sock Fareed30. Besides after the last known sock (Fareed30) was blocked I came across a number of contributions by IPs from the range 39.41.x.x, 39.47.x.x that matched Lagoo's editing pattern but did not feel like reporting the IPs for one-off edits (or you can count it as laziness on my part). Now per my understanding of some on-wiki conversations two CUs did a check on some IPs from this range a year ago and found it to be used by Krzyhorse22. And one of the CU did also agree that Krzyhorse22 "is likely someone who has previously edited Wikipedia". But since they did not know that this range is used by Lagoo so obviously they could not confirm him as a sock. Also these IP ranges geo-locate to same place as some (or at least one) of the confirmed socks of Lagoo revealed their location themselves. -- SMS Talk 10:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC) reply
Lel, you two extensively interacted through your previous socks. You asked the moderators to block him on numerous occasions. Playing fake games won't help anymore. Thanks for re-confirming (for the tenth time) your typical behaviour. Denying that you're a sock is typical behaviour you've performed on all your socks. Including the accusation of others while you're blocked/put in an SPI,( Lagoo sab/ Krzyhorse22 (can post many more of such)/ Fareed30) including here above as well. I got another 50+ diffs laying just here that confirm that you, Krzyhorse22, are, clear-cut, another sock of Lagoo sab. - LouisAragon ( talk) 15:58, 26 November 2015 (UTC) reply
You are wrong. This and this establishes SMS's location. The above "IPs from the range 39.41.x.x, 39.47.x.x" that SMS is trying to connect me to are used by SMS himself, see this, this, this, this, this, and this. Because it's established that he has long been socking, and the same person behind "the range 39.41.x.x, 39.47.x.x." has been creating socks to pretend he's someone else, to fool admins. Don't take my words for it, it's what others found, [157]. This is his dishonesty to get innocent faithful editors blocked so he can continue with his disruptive game. Last month, while I was minding my own business and not having any issue with anyone, he secretly comes here and files a nonsense SPI against me. Do you see his dishonesty? He's clearly up to something and it's not something good.-- Krzyhorse22 ( talk) 18:26, 30 November 2015 (UTC) reply

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  • I've declined the CU request.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: Clearly, nothing more is going to happen here, so I'm going to close. If anyone wants to offer new evidence, they may feel free to file a new SPI. —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 05:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  •  Clerk note: I carefully red this SPI case and checked most diffs. I agree that Krzyhorse22 is not new editor, but I think the evidence provided here is not strong enough to definitely connect him to Lagoo sab. I think this case should be closed as the evidence is not strong enough. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC) reply

14 April 2016

Suspected sockpuppets


Lagoo sab created exactly 100 accounts (just counted them) since 2009 to 2013. It's impossible to believe that after creating 100 accounts just to push his POV, he just stopped editing Wikipedia altogether and did not edit for last 3 years. 100 accounts over the period of 4 years mean 25 accounts per year which if we keep his track record in mind, he should have 75 more socks over the period of 2013 to 2016. Its just not possible that he stopped editing altogether and did not try for a WP:STANDARD and did not create any sock. Krzyhorse22's first edit was a filing of report against another user at ANI, this never kind of sunk in with me that a new user would do that. After my last poor report under a different SPI which i filed in haste, the only report in which i failed. After failing in my initial report, i went through the SPI archives, noticed this SPI and this sockpuppet having been reported so many times. I got intrigued in this case and wanted to dig deeper. While comparing these three users, i am convinced as well that Lagoo sab, Fareed30 and Krzyhorse22 are same people. It cannot be a coincidence that Krzyhorse22 edits the same Afghanistan articles that Lagoo, Fareed and all other confirmed socks of Lagoo did, and has the same POV with so many similarities in behavior. I would also like to assert that since so many people suspect this user being Lagoo sab, it warrants that we should run a CU on this user and put our suspicions behind. Apart from the fact that these three users display the same interest and have edited same pages, following behavioral evidences should be good enough to establish him a WP:DUCK and we might not even need to run a CU, its hard to imagine that few user accounts would have so many similarities and be different people, one or two similarities are understandable but so many of them as shown below and in the archives by other editors are questionable:

Behavioral evidence

I will like to commend LouisAragon as well and will like admins to evaluate evidences presented by him one more time along with evidences presented by me. Also, there are quite good evidences by Smsarmad in that same report, have a look at them one more time. I think we are letting a sock off the hook for no understandable reason. Thank you! Let's take care of this, once and for all! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC) reply

  • @ Vanjagenije, Richwales, and Mike V: Can this request be looked into? It has been opened for a long time now. Richwales noted in previous SPI instance that there was not enough evidence but now more evidence is provided. Vanjagenije also noted in previous SPI that Krzyhorse22 does not seem to be a new user but evidence is not enough to link him to Lagoo. Now more than enough evidence is provided which clearly links Krzyhorse22 behaviorally to Lagoo sab, Fareed30 and some of his other sock. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Sheriff, both templates are public. See the bottom. Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan/Templates -- 2A01:B840:111:D8:6C70:F38:9ED5:9C88 ( talk) 01:12, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply

Thank you for pointing that out, that was an oversight on my part and I have removed it now from the list of evidences. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ QEDK: have very good experience in identifying WP:DUCK per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KnightWarrior25/Archive#04 April 2016, if he has time. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Drmies: Is there a way for you to manually compare the IP ranges from this report to previously saved reports from past successful runs and see if IP ranges match? They wouldn't match offcourse if user changed them but they should match if not changed and this could be another hint on top of behavioral evidence. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 09:23, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • User:SheriffIsInTown, I'm not the smartest guy (or girl) in town. If a record was kept of previous CUs, sure, but I can't find anything on the CU wiki. Bbb23, do you know? Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 15:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: There is clear behavioral evidence and if location is same, coupled with behavioral evidence, it should be good enough to block him as WP:DUCK. People change IP addresses and he might have done that as well. There was a nine months difference between Fareed30 and Krzyhorse22, although he would have completed the requirements of waiting at least 6 months for WP:STANDARD offer but how can we waive socking and let him edit while he has 100 undeclared accounts and did not follow the process for coming back. Also, what is the path forward in this if you still disagree. WP:ARBCOM? Can other checkusers look at the evidence? I trust your judgement but i think this needs second/third opinion. Is there something called duck test? I have seen accounts blocked on mere duck test and here there is so much evidence, not just one similarity, many similarities and they are being overlooked upon. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: Did you even look at all the diffs which were provided here? Help me understand how much evidence do you need? Also what evidence you did not find persuasive enough. Most of the evidence provided by me was all new evidence, only one item was from the SPI filed by LouisAragon. These SPIs against Krzyhorse22 was filled to brim with evidence and yet you do not find anything compelling enough. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: Obviously, you did not look at the behavioral evidence, Drmies already said in his comment "any confirmation will have to come from the extensive behavioral evidence outlined by the Sheriff, but that's a big task and I have to leave that for the next administrator" and you also claimed to LouisAragon previously that I won't be the person evaluating the behavioral evidence. I'm familiar with the IP issues so i am not sure why did you even close it if you do not evaluate behavioral evidence, this SPI was about behavioral evidence knowing that any CU will come out stale because of the time difference. I have spent so much time of my life collecting this evidence and nobody even looked at it before closing this. Do you know how much time it can take to collect this much evidence where there are 100 users to collect it from? Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - I dealt with Lagoo sab way back in the day when the sockmaster account was banned. SheriffIsInTown has asked me to comment here. If I'm not mistaken, LS was always impossible to pin down with his IPs, so we had to go based on behavioral evidence alone. And it was always of the sort presented here: very strong circumstantial evidence, but never a smoking gun. Given all evidence, it is my opinion that Krzyhorse22 is almost certainly a sock of LS. Magog the Ogre ( t • c) 03:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23, Mike V, and Vanjagenije: I request that this case's status should be changed back to "open" and it should be decided after analyzing behavioral evidence. Please hold on the archiving. Thank you. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 03:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Bbb23: I don't think Magog the Ogre can be a blocking admin in this case. I requested him to evaluate the evidence and give his opinion based on the evidence presented here and his past dealings with Lagoo sab socks and he gave his opinion based on that. Considering that I request you to change the status of this case back to open or pending or something else other than "close" or "archive" so that another CheckUser can evaluate the evidence since its obvious by your previous comments that you did not evaluate the behavioral evidence presented in this case. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:23, 8 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • I find some of the behavioral evidence strong enough for CU and ran it, but found nothing at all, and of course there is no date from older accounts to compare with. In other words, any confirmation will have to come from the extensive behavioral evidence outlined by the Sheriff, but that's a big task and I have to leave that for the next administrator. Drmies ( talk) 18:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • I'm afraid I disagree that the evidence is any more persuasive than the evidence offered at least three times in the archives and has been rejected each time. SheriffIsInTown has probably never heard of the CU wiki, Drmies. I imagine he is refering to the checkuser logs. I've looked at those logs before. I've checked Krzyhorse22 before. The ranges used in the logs and the ranges used by Krzyhorse22 are not the same. The location is largely irrelevant considering the edits; you'd expect them to be the same. I'm closing this, and I hope to god that no one ever resurrects it, with this master or any other. If Krzyhorse22 is as disruptive as many say he is, then he should be blockable independent of sock puppetry.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 15:53, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ SheriffIsInTown: Any admininistrator is free to block Krzyhorse22 on their own, but this SPI will probably be archived soon, and it's unlikely any discussion will occur here. Arbcom is not going to get involved unless you bring a case request. A heads up: it's likely I will respond to any more posts you make here.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ Magog the Ogre: If you feel that strongly that Krzyhorse22 is a sock of Lagoo sab based on the behavioral evidence, why don't you block the account?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 12:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • @ SheriffIsInTown: Your reasons why Magog the Ogre can't be a blocking administrator have no basis in policy. To any clerk or other member of the SPI team, unless you want to take some action, there's no reason why this case cannot be archived.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC) reply

03 June 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


Another so-called "grand return" of Lagoo sab. We're almost 10 years further since the first SPI, as well as some 100+ recorded sockpuppets. He just can't help returning over and over. Its been almost exactly 1 year since his last majorly disruptive sock was blocked; Kryzhorse22. Now, roughly a year later, both listed accounts ("Tummywinks" and "Kojakkrags") instantly threw themselves on Krzyhorse22's topic area (Afghanistan-Pakistan), employed the exact same editorial pattern, and both quickly got into edit wars with two users whom Lagoo sab has issues with for years. In "textbook Lagoo sab behavior", Kojakkrags ~ 50th edit was to ask an admin whether he could block user Saadkhan12345, an user with whom Lagoo sab & co. had an extensive number of argues with. He then continued quickly afterwards with more textbook admin shopping in order to get him blocked. [158] [159]. Likewise, in textbook Lagoo sab behaviour, "Tummywink" appeared on the stage, and instantly started inserting WP:OR material by the means of edit-warring against his long time enemy, Mar4d. Notice that Lagoo sab and Krzyhorse22 started fights with Mar4d on numerous occassions, and that Krzyhorse22's very first edits were to get other users of this topic area blocked as well. [160]

The amount of behavioral overlap is insane, as usual, but really "never a smoking gun", as Magog the Ogre correctly stated after the previous SPI. Coincidence however? Hell no! Never. I have dealt extensively with this sockmaster, so I'm pretty aware of how he writes, the way he writes, and what is petty " purpose" here is on Wiki. Even though both accounts have few edits on their record, they have the exact same POV as Lagoo sab.

More evidence;

There's no friggin' way that these two accounts, created within three months of each other, [167] [168] are legit accounts used by legit, new editors. Looking at the evidence, in combination with our long-standing experience with the sockmaster, everything seems to be pointing to another Lagoo sab charade.
Pinging SheriffIsInTown, Mar4d, and RegentsPark. - LouisAragon ( talk) 02:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • Looks like a duck to me. The clear focus on downplaying Pakistani Pashtuns as a big giveaway. The behavioral similarities and the specific edits listed by Louis Aragon (and the rejection of Imran Khan as a Pashtun) are exactly in line with Krzyhorse22 and other Lagoo Sab socks. I've interacted with Kojakkrags and so won't block them but this is more than clear enough for a duck block. Recommend that and a check user to flush out additional socks. -- regentspark ( comment) 12:20, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply
  •  In progress - Katie talk 12:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply
  • All data related to the master and Krzyhorse22 are  Stale.
  • Kojakkrags and Tummywink are  Confirmed to each other. I don't see any sleepers. Blocked without tags pending behavioral investigation by those more familiar with the master. Katie talk 13:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Blocked and tagged as socks, behavioural evidence presented is convincing. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 07:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC) reply

11 December 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


  • As with all other Lagoo sab socks, "Minervials" shows, straight off the bat, that he knows his way around extremely well. Clearly showing skills that no new user would ever possess, such as creating solid redirect pages on behalf of his most favorite topic area; Afghanistan/Pakistan. [169] [170].
  • Though "Minervials" has a very low amount of edits, the Editor Interaction Analyzer already shows an incredible amount of overlap on numerous "textbook Lagoo sab topics/articles", with blocked socks "Kyrzhorse22" [171] and "Fareed30" [172].
  • Minervials considers "Afghanistani" and "Pashtun" to be similar to "Afghan", [173] the same way "Krzyhorse22" did. [174]
  • Alike Lagoo sab and all other CU blocked socks, "Minervials" never uses edit summaries.
  • Minervials has the exact same proficiency in English as Lagoo sab and the CU blocked socks.
  • The other sock, "KharkossAwanfromabbottabad", though stale, has an username completely in line with other CU blocked socks of Lagoo sab (cf; "Pekhawarimoderchod", or "KunwaazTajik"). In typical Lagoo sab fashion, these usernames were created by mixing the name of an ethnicity/nationality that Lagoo sab despised (such as Pakistanis; for more info please see the elaborate LTA case) and a local swearing word. Thus, in this new case: an " Awan" + the swearing word "Kharkoss". Even though "KharkossAwanfromabbottabad" has touched just two articles, both of these articles have been targeted very often by Lagoo sab and his socks (such as by "Krzhorse22" [175] and "Fareed30" [176]).

- LouisAragon ( talk) 18:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply

Pinging RegentsPark, Mar4d, and SheriffIsInTown. - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Drmies: Aight. Proper brooming.
  • "Kossmoderhazara", whom you just blocked, is a similar case to "KharkossAwanfromabbottabad" and "KunwaazUzbek": a local swearing word combined with a local ethnicity. The evidence posted + duck qualifications should be enough to block both.
  • "KunwaazTajik" is a CU blocked sock. Not sure how much "duck"" evidence is needed to prove that "KunwaazUzbek" (whom you just listed) is another sock as well. With all due respect, but after all these years, its like asking whether the sky is really "blue" or not. Oh, and while were at it, I found another obvious sock as well; "Kunwaazhazarafromquetta". Similar name, lots of overlap with Krzyhorse22, stale until recently. [177].
  • "Slave of Pakistan". ~ 7th edit was to create a sandbox. [178]. Has touched two articles in total. Both of them have been targeted extensively in the past by socks such as "Krzyhorse22". [179] Further in line with typical Lagoo sab nonsense, whenever its something "negative", he wants to put it on the shoulders of other ethnicites/nationalities. As long as its not a burden for the "Pashtuns". For example, on the Mohammad Omar article, "Slave of Pakistan" changed the sentence where it said: "(...) known simply as the Taliban (Pashtun for 'students')." into "(...) known simply as the Taliban ( Persian word for 'students')." [180] See the LTA page for more information.
You might wanna read through this stuff I added above and take further action.
- LouisAragon ( talk) 19:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
Hey, you don't have to go "literally" on me: KunwaazTajik was blocked in 2012 and this is news to me. But OK. I'll block the slave as well. For the other, I don't really see it plus that account is old. If they return with more quacking (you don't have to link "duck" for me) we can always block; you could put one of those "suspected sock" templates on their user page, and address their edits by reverting with maybe a note in the summary. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 19:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
Heh, sorryyyyy. Will do. Thanks for the effort mate. - LouisAragon ( talk) 19:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
Sure thing. The problem here is of course that these are busy IPs, with lots of accounts, and that they (or many of them) would be editing similar subject matter is a given (obviously I can't tell you where it is, but take my word for it), so I can't just block whatever I see, esp. if some or many edits seem, at first glance, to be make in good faith. The ones that I blocked, just to repeat, are all accounts that match technically but also have significant characteristics of your long-term abusive editor, in various kinds of ways--a few of which I figured out as I was doing this. But behavior must always remain a determining factor; I blocked someone incorrectly a few days ago, and that's just not a good thing. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 22:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply

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  • LouisAragon, I can check for sleepers but everything else is probably stale. User:KrakatoaKatie commented on an earlier SPI for this "professional writer" and information feeder in similar terms. Drmies ( talk) 18:48, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
  • OK that was more exciting than I thought. I'm going to start throwing out blocks for editors who are a technical match with Minervials and a behavioral match with your culprit. Drmies ( talk) 18:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
    • See my log for what I blocked, in case you want to start tagging. Not blocked: User:Slave of Pakistan (what an awful name), User:KunwaazUzbek, User:Spinner111, and User:Iranigozawarn, because I don't see the behavioral link, but maybe you do. Same with User:Korzmash92, User:StovestrawP1, User:NoorMohd. As for User:Boner in the dark, well, you know. Drmies ( talk) 18:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply
  • There's nothing more to do here. Closing.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 18:54, 11 December 2017 (UTC) reply

07 April 2019

Suspected sockpuppets


"Drayqueen" was created very recently (23 February 2019 [181]), has only made 176 edits, but already displays extensive knowledge of Wikipedia, and has considerable editorial overlap with Lagoo sab & Co. The utter vast majority of "Drayqueens" edits are made on the Afghanistan/Pakistan topic area, and Pashtuns/Afghans in particular. This is fully in line with Lagoo sab & Co. Though "Drayqueen" is a very new "account", he knew how to move an article within three edits, [182] and also displays perfect knowlege of the WP:RM process. [183]- [184] He has moved numerous other pages as well, e.g. [185]

These are all trademark habits/characteristics of Lagoo sab. For example, compare with blocked socks Krzyhorse22 [186] and Minervials [187] who also moved articles within very few edits on the very same topic area. Please refer to the Editor Interaction Analyzer [188]- [189] and the LTA case [190] for more information. - LouisAragon ( talk) 22:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply

Oh, and just for the record: a few days before creating "Drayqueen", Lagoo sab created this account [191] just to leave me a note on Wikidata. So don't be fooled by this. [192] - LouisAragon ( talk) 23:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply
More evidence:
Adding material about Pakistan sponsoring terrorism:
  • Krzyhorse22: "(...) Accept the fact that Pakistani terrorists are killing (...)" [193]
  • Drayqueen: "(...) the [Taliban] leadership is based in Quetta, Pakistan." [194]
  • Fareed30: "(...) he moved to Pakistan and became involved with Pakistan's intelligence agency to carry out terrorist attacks inside Afghanistan." [195]
Promoting Afghan president Ashraf Ghani:
  • Krzyhorse22: "Propagandists are attacking this world leader [Ghani] with pure nonsense (...)" [196]
  • Drayqueen: "It is said that Ghani wakes up every morning before five, and reads for two to three hours." [197]
  • AlimNaz: "Before returning to Afghanistan in 2002, Ghani was a leading scholar of political science and anthropology." [198]
- LouisAragon ( talk) 09:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Cabayi: @ Bbb23: Drayqueen and Bigguy388 are both probably operated by Lagoo sab, per the evidence. Only Lagoo sab would create a sock (Bigguy388) to leave me such a note. [199] There's more information about this habit in Lagoo sab's LTA case. [200] Furthermore, Lagoo sab has a history of creating socks with such names, compare e.g. Hazaraguy and Big bird in Afghanistan. Sailsamiras on the other hand is a sock of LTA Rowingasia, and thus unrelated to Lagoo sab. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you'd like to see some diffs. In short: comparing Drayqueen with Bigguy388 should yield resorts, whereas comparing them with Sailsamiras should not. - LouisAragon ( talk) 17:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • @ Cabayi: I'm not familiar with SRCU, but what makes you think that the two globally locked accounts at wikidata are related to Drayqueen, and how would it work anyway given that Drayqueen is not even registered at wikidata?-- Bbb23 ( talk) 13:24, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Bbb23, as I understand LouisAragon's filing, Drayqueen on enwiki, and Bigguy388 & Sailsamiras on wikidata are all Lagoo sab. There's nothing on enwiki to CU against. Both accounts on wikidata have already been blocked for other reasons but aren't yet stale. A crosswiki CU, comparing the enwiki & wikidata accounts would, possibly, tie all 3 accounts to Lagoo sab. Cabayi ( talk) 13:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, that would be do-able. If it still needs to happen please send an email to CU-l; it's probably easier to coordinate there. -- Ajraddatz ( talk) 17:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • A check on meta says that Drayqueen and Bigguy388 are unrelated, so we have three options:
  1. Lagoo sab = Drayqueen which is supported by a shared interest in Afghan/Pakistan/Pashtun articles. This case has sat unhandled for a couple of weeks so I assume nobody else has been struck by the degree of proof on this option. OR
  2. Lagoo sab = Bigguy388 which is supported by a one-off attack on LouisAragon on wikidata. Bigguy388 has been locked, so there's nothing left to do. OR
  3. All three accounts are unrelated, so there's nothing left to do.
I think a close is in order. Anybody disagree? Cabayi ( talk) 10:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply
One last piece: based on CU logs, Drayqueen is editing from a different continent than Lagoo sab did. Closing.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 13:44, 21 April 2019 (UTC) reply

19 October 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

The IP was blocked in February 2021 for a month after they filed this SPI. Looking at their contribution history and talk page, it looks like the same person on a static IP, with very specific idiosyncrasies (see the large scale changes, language use and formatting in articles, as well as on their own talk page) since February 2020 till the present. Tayi Arajakate Talk 21:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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31 October 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Part of the exact same IP ranges which Lagoo sab & co. has used extensively for years, as well as the same editorial pattern (focused on Afghanistan, knows his way around well straight off the bat, POV pushing, ad hominems, etc.). Some diffs:


Adding this material for the record as per this convo with Drmies. You guys could probably check whether a rangeblock would be feasible. - LouisAragon ( talk) 22:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Tamzin: I don't think "Akmal94" is related to sockmaster & co. Although the edited articles overlap, a proper look reveals that the behavioural pattern and writing style differs strongly (overal). - LouisAragon ( talk) 01:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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This case is being reviewed by Tamzin as part of her training as a clerk. Please allow her to process the entire case without interference. You may pose any questions or concerns either on her talk page or on this page.

  • So, all looks behaviorally likely to me. It's disruptive either way, so if this were more recent, I would be requesting a partial rangeblock of 39.41.0.0/17 ( block range · block log ( global) · WHOIS (partial)) from the most affected pages. (A full rangeblock of the /17 would have far too much collateral damage.) However, there've been no edits in a few months, so I'm not taking any action now. @ LouisAragon: If disruptive Lagoo-sab-like edits resume from this range in the future, feel free to contact an admin and point back to this comment as clerk endorsement of a partial block of the /17 from whatever known Lagoo sab targets they're editing... as much for disruptive POV editing as for the likely (>50% probability) socking.
    Not going to close this yet, though, because in my research I noticed Akmal94 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki), and they match a lot of the behavior described at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Lagoo sab. I was not previously familiar with this case, though, and I do notice some clear differences too (most noticeably writing style), so I'm hesitant to endorse just on my own assessment. Louis, do you have any thoughts on whether that account is related to Lagoo sab? -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 00:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC) Edit: /17, not /16. 01:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks, Louis. I defer to your familiarity here. Closing, keeping in mind my note about future rangeblocks. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 01:52, 6 November 2021 (UTC) reply
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