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Are there any statistics on how often US presidents don't sign a bill without vetoing it in any way? In other words the president simply does nothing for the 10 days, fully expecting Congress will not adjourn. So I'm not referring to any sort of pocket veto, even those disputed ones ( Pocket veto#United States) but a case where everyone agrees from the get-go the bill has become law without the president signing. I guess a president could do this because they're hoping Congress will adjourn and they could try a pocket veto, or simply to try and force congress to stick around for whatever reason (e.g. to annoy them, because the president doesn't think they're doing enough), but I'm assuming some presidents would do it with bills they disagee with but aren't willing to veto. I'm aware that presidents also use Signing statement and other things (like speaking to the media) for various related reasons. I've tried searching but it's difficult due to the large number of sources talking about how normal vetos and pockets vetos work. Nil Einne ( talk) 05:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Nil's question leads me to wonder: what happens to bills if the US president goes on an extended trip? This is not a situation where the vice-president could serve as acting president, as far as I can tell. In 1919 Woodrow Wilson spent months in Europe. Was Congress out of session at the time? Or, by taking the trip, was he risking the possibility that they would pass bills that he would have vetoed, and these would become law? In similar circumstances today the bills could sent to him by air for his signature, but transatlantic travel wasn't quite so fast in 1919. -- 76.71.5.45 ( talk) 06:12, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello you that we can can call: the one thousand mouths Goddess. Some people, journalists, and so on consider that Trump in fact does not want to be next President. Question: what would happen if he decided to give up now. Would Hillary be the next President? Would the USA have to organize new elections? That is moreless a constitutional question. Thank you from France for your help.-- Jojodesbatignoles ( talk) 06:25, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Well it's definitely a (probably the) likely option but we don't know for sure. My facetious example perhaps distracted a bit from my point which was more about what actually counts as a formal resignation? Is the USC section actually binding? What happens if the president tells Congress (in person) they're resigning and later in numerous media interviews, discussions with others etc says they've resigned? Perhaps their state of the union address was a more sophisticated version of "the state of the union is it's fucked. so screw you guys, I'm going home" (with resignation definitely made clear). Will everyone proceed only with the acting thing, or is it possible they'll decide the P has resigned and the VP has become P? A notable point is while still unlikely, it seems to be some variant of this could arise if an extreme constitutionalist decides to resign perhaps because they're sick of not being able to do anything about what they feel are too many regulations. Also, if USC is a concern, could Congress modify it? Assuming the president is still telling everyone they resigned, will it matter what USC said when they nominally actually resigned?
Or an alternative scenario, what happens if the President writes a letter but gets confused with section 3, and so writes a letter to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives saying they've resigned with whatever formality people feel is needed. (I note that several commentators do seem confused by section 3 as they mention Nixon's letter didn't comply, but as mentioned before, section 3 doesn't seem to be about resigning.) Can those parties just send the letter to the Secretary of State if for some reason the (former?) president refuses to do so? (I'm not an expert on legal language or the law but I note USC seems to simply say "delivered". If this is okay, what about if the president doesn't write a letter to them but instead writes a letter in his magazine saying he resigned and giving his reasons? What about if he actually wrote a letter to the editor of the magazine, and they send this actual letter?
It may seem this is very risky instead of simply using something like section 4. However it seems to me if it's felt this could be cleared up, e.g. if someone with standing could be found to challenge it, perhaps it may be seen as better to resolve it. As I understand it, the acting president can't appoint a new vice president. And then there's the risk the president may decide to try and cancel their resignation which would seem far easier if section 4 was used so the president never actually resigned. However, as hinted before, it seems unlikely to me these issues will ever be tested, so I suspect we'll never actually know.
In the context of ancient Indian history during the time of Buddha, I found these two concepts: bath money and perfume money. A village called Kasi was given as bath money and perfume money by Mahakosala, the king of Kosala, to Bimbisara of Magadha when Bimbisara married Mahakosala's daughter Kosala Devi. [7] [8]. Could anyone please explain me what exactly was bath money and perfume money? I tried to search in Google, but could not find any reference explaining these. -- IEditEncyclopedia ( talk) 09:22, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
The Schengen common travel zone in Europe allows people to move about quite freely between its member states, often without border controls, but AFAIK each of the countries still sets its own criteria for granting permanent residence or citizenship. The requirements usually include living there for a few years on work visas or temporary residence permits.
I would like to know if any of them will credit time spent living in another Schengen state against their own residence requirements. For example, France gives permanent residence after 5 years. Could a non-EU citizen live for 2 years in Spain, move to France, and get a French carte de sejour after 3 years? 129.67.117.147 ( talk) 20:56, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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Are there any statistics on how often US presidents don't sign a bill without vetoing it in any way? In other words the president simply does nothing for the 10 days, fully expecting Congress will not adjourn. So I'm not referring to any sort of pocket veto, even those disputed ones ( Pocket veto#United States) but a case where everyone agrees from the get-go the bill has become law without the president signing. I guess a president could do this because they're hoping Congress will adjourn and they could try a pocket veto, or simply to try and force congress to stick around for whatever reason (e.g. to annoy them, because the president doesn't think they're doing enough), but I'm assuming some presidents would do it with bills they disagee with but aren't willing to veto. I'm aware that presidents also use Signing statement and other things (like speaking to the media) for various related reasons. I've tried searching but it's difficult due to the large number of sources talking about how normal vetos and pockets vetos work. Nil Einne ( talk) 05:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Nil's question leads me to wonder: what happens to bills if the US president goes on an extended trip? This is not a situation where the vice-president could serve as acting president, as far as I can tell. In 1919 Woodrow Wilson spent months in Europe. Was Congress out of session at the time? Or, by taking the trip, was he risking the possibility that they would pass bills that he would have vetoed, and these would become law? In similar circumstances today the bills could sent to him by air for his signature, but transatlantic travel wasn't quite so fast in 1919. -- 76.71.5.45 ( talk) 06:12, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Hello you that we can can call: the one thousand mouths Goddess. Some people, journalists, and so on consider that Trump in fact does not want to be next President. Question: what would happen if he decided to give up now. Would Hillary be the next President? Would the USA have to organize new elections? That is moreless a constitutional question. Thank you from France for your help.-- Jojodesbatignoles ( talk) 06:25, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Well it's definitely a (probably the) likely option but we don't know for sure. My facetious example perhaps distracted a bit from my point which was more about what actually counts as a formal resignation? Is the USC section actually binding? What happens if the president tells Congress (in person) they're resigning and later in numerous media interviews, discussions with others etc says they've resigned? Perhaps their state of the union address was a more sophisticated version of "the state of the union is it's fucked. so screw you guys, I'm going home" (with resignation definitely made clear). Will everyone proceed only with the acting thing, or is it possible they'll decide the P has resigned and the VP has become P? A notable point is while still unlikely, it seems to be some variant of this could arise if an extreme constitutionalist decides to resign perhaps because they're sick of not being able to do anything about what they feel are too many regulations. Also, if USC is a concern, could Congress modify it? Assuming the president is still telling everyone they resigned, will it matter what USC said when they nominally actually resigned?
Or an alternative scenario, what happens if the President writes a letter but gets confused with section 3, and so writes a letter to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives saying they've resigned with whatever formality people feel is needed. (I note that several commentators do seem confused by section 3 as they mention Nixon's letter didn't comply, but as mentioned before, section 3 doesn't seem to be about resigning.) Can those parties just send the letter to the Secretary of State if for some reason the (former?) president refuses to do so? (I'm not an expert on legal language or the law but I note USC seems to simply say "delivered". If this is okay, what about if the president doesn't write a letter to them but instead writes a letter in his magazine saying he resigned and giving his reasons? What about if he actually wrote a letter to the editor of the magazine, and they send this actual letter?
It may seem this is very risky instead of simply using something like section 4. However it seems to me if it's felt this could be cleared up, e.g. if someone with standing could be found to challenge it, perhaps it may be seen as better to resolve it. As I understand it, the acting president can't appoint a new vice president. And then there's the risk the president may decide to try and cancel their resignation which would seem far easier if section 4 was used so the president never actually resigned. However, as hinted before, it seems unlikely to me these issues will ever be tested, so I suspect we'll never actually know.
In the context of ancient Indian history during the time of Buddha, I found these two concepts: bath money and perfume money. A village called Kasi was given as bath money and perfume money by Mahakosala, the king of Kosala, to Bimbisara of Magadha when Bimbisara married Mahakosala's daughter Kosala Devi. [7] [8]. Could anyone please explain me what exactly was bath money and perfume money? I tried to search in Google, but could not find any reference explaining these. -- IEditEncyclopedia ( talk) 09:22, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
The Schengen common travel zone in Europe allows people to move about quite freely between its member states, often without border controls, but AFAIK each of the countries still sets its own criteria for granting permanent residence or citizenship. The requirements usually include living there for a few years on work visas or temporary residence permits.
I would like to know if any of them will credit time spent living in another Schengen state against their own residence requirements. For example, France gives permanent residence after 5 years. Could a non-EU citizen live for 2 years in Spain, move to France, and get a French carte de sejour after 3 years? 129.67.117.147 ( talk) 20:56, 15 November 2016 (UTC)