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Building in Egypt didn't stop when ancient times ended. 217.117.125.83 ( talk) 12:49, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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The use of the word "The" makes it seem this redirect is supposed to refer to a specific toilet or the title of a work, not toilets in general. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I think these should target the same place (note that Yarra Bend Park is also in Victoria. The locality in Fairfield seems the more likely primary topic but there is next to nothing about it in Fairfield, Victoria. Disambiguation is an option too. I'm not sure. A7V2 ( talk) 05:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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This was briefly an unreferenced stub article before being PRODed. This prod was removed and then shortly after the PRODer redirected it to Hampton, Victoria. There is, however, no mention at all of this school at the current target. Note also that there is more than one school by this name, see entries in List of government schools in Victoria, Australia and List of schools in Kent (there may be others). So I think best to delete. If others feel it is necessary then of course we can restore the article and send to AfD. A7V2 ( talk) 06:01, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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Not mentioned in the target article. WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (non-notable vehicle). Dominicmgm ( talk) 13:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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From what I can tell, this character's first name is Morris, commonly shortened to Moe, and in one episode he was jokingly called Momar. Neither Momar or Moemar are mentioned in the article. Furthermore, searching on Moemar primarily finds a Nebraska homebuilder. Delete. MB 01:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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Inappropriate redirect title, as target likely to change annually, therefore would require human maintenance to update each year. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 22:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Given that recent consensus decided that the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine was not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "Russian invasion of Ukraine", I don't think it makes sense that that term should redirect there. DecafPotato ( talk) 23:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
that the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine was not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.Primary topic was only specifically raised by the Nom and two others (who had opposing views). Editors gave opinions regarding other invasions but these were not made within the context of WP:P&G or evidence but tended to argue opinions. IMHO (and quoting from WP:NHC, most arguments offered were irrelevant and
flatly contradict established policy- specifically WP:TITLEDAB at WP:AT (a policy), to which WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (a guideline) specifically defers. WP:TITLEDAB states:
... [a] title may have other meanings, and therefore may have been already used for other articles. According to the above-mentioned precision criterion, when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary.The policy is based on there being an actual and not a perceived or potential conflict in article titles. There is no actual conflict between Russian invasion of Ukraine and any other Russian invasion of Ukraine. Furthermore, we are specifically told to
use only as much additional detail as necessary.Because there is no actual conflict in titles, preceding with year (eg 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine)
flatly contradict[s] established policy. I am not here to relitigate the RM but the prevailing policy is directly related to this discussion. Keeping that in mind, what is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and what is the evidence? Of the invasions/occupations listed at List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine immediately post the Russian revolution, average daily page views are less than 40 (and typically much less). [1] [2] [3] [4] Looking at the two other events listed under the Russo-Ukrainian War and the long term results from before the 2022 invasion: Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation has about 2,000 page views per day; [5] and, War in Donbas has about 2,500. [6] WP:RECENTISM was raised during the RM in that the 2022 invasion overshadows earlier events. After a year, average daily page views are tending to flatten at somewhere between 40,000-50,000. At an order of magnitude greater than the sum of the other two relatively recent events, that is a lot of recentism to overcome. What weight do we give recentism? That can only be considered by comparison of the global ramifications and consequently, how these will be viewed comparatively in the future once the dust has settled. While WP is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL ... The global reaction and direct global ramifications (particularly economic), demonstratively far exceed the other events - even if this is a somewhat qualitative metric. IMHO, the weight to be given recentism is not so significant to change the result from present evidence. Even for these other events that may be termed invasions, this is not part of their WP:COMMONNAME, given common name is the primary criteria for determining an article title. Bottom line: actual evidence assessed against the prevailing WP:P&G supports keeping this as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Cinderella157 ( talk) 13:04, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
...PDABs can have primary topics, but that "the standard for making disambiguated titles such as Foo (bar) a primary topic among all Foo's that are bars should be tougher than the standard for titles that don't have any disambiguator".WP:PDABLIST is only listing articles that have parenthetic or comma disambiguation. The spirit and intent of the cited WP:P&G (including WP:INCOMPDAB) does not appear to apply to natural article titles - ie the assertion that
"Russian invasion of Ukraine" is a partially disambiguated title ("Russian" disambiguating a base title of " Invasion of Ukraine"does not appear to hold water when compared against the cited WP:P&G. So, while
the standard for PRIMARYTOPIC status for such titles is higher, it does not appear to apply here. On the other hand, WP:TITLEDAB is quite explicit in the requirement,
when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary.I was not arguing WP:PRIMARYTOPIC because it has
it's the one that's gotten the most global attention. Rather, I stated
The global reaction and direct global ramifications (particularly economic), demonstratively far exceed the other eventsand,
[it] can only be considered by comparison of the global ramifications and consequently, how these will be viewed comparatively in the future once the dust has settled.This is equivalent to WP:10YT. The recent RM was largely based on unsubstantiated opinions which really didn't cite WP:P&G and which that are (largely) flately contradicted by established policy.
[Is] it is so clearly the primary topic that we are justified in having [this title] redirect to it? Unlike the previous RM, we now have actual evidence before us. Cinderella157 ( talk) 07:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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I don't think this is the correct target for this redirect. For one, the current target is not exclusive to the concept of "secularity". In addition, it is unclear what specific article of the list of articles that begin with "Secular" this redirect could best refer to. Steel1943 ( talk) 19:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
from Latin saeculum, "worldly"", which establishes a connection. – Scyrme ( talk) 20:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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Public schools are secular, but Catholic schools are not. Grocery stores are secular; a synagogue is not. If there's no religion involved, then you're in "the secular world" — as people sometimes call everything that exists outside of religion.
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 3, 2023.
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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 11#Tory party
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Building in Egypt didn't stop when ancient times ended. 217.117.125.83 ( talk) 12:49, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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The use of the word "The" makes it seem this redirect is supposed to refer to a specific toilet or the title of a work, not toilets in general. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I think these should target the same place (note that Yarra Bend Park is also in Victoria. The locality in Fairfield seems the more likely primary topic but there is next to nothing about it in Fairfield, Victoria. Disambiguation is an option too. I'm not sure. A7V2 ( talk) 05:50, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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15:03, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
This was briefly an unreferenced stub article before being PRODed. This prod was removed and then shortly after the PRODer redirected it to Hampton, Victoria. There is, however, no mention at all of this school at the current target. Note also that there is more than one school by this name, see entries in List of government schools in Victoria, Australia and List of schools in Kent (there may be others). So I think best to delete. If others feel it is necessary then of course we can restore the article and send to AfD. A7V2 ( talk) 06:01, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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Not mentioned in the target article. WP:GAMECRUFT #7 (non-notable vehicle). Dominicmgm ( talk) 13:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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From what I can tell, this character's first name is Morris, commonly shortened to Moe, and in one episode he was jokingly called Momar. Neither Momar or Moemar are mentioned in the article. Furthermore, searching on Moemar primarily finds a Nebraska homebuilder. Delete. MB 01:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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Inappropriate redirect title, as target likely to change annually, therefore would require human maintenance to update each year. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 22:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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03:27, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Given that recent consensus decided that the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine was not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "Russian invasion of Ukraine", I don't think it makes sense that that term should redirect there. DecafPotato ( talk) 23:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
that the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine was not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.Primary topic was only specifically raised by the Nom and two others (who had opposing views). Editors gave opinions regarding other invasions but these were not made within the context of WP:P&G or evidence but tended to argue opinions. IMHO (and quoting from WP:NHC, most arguments offered were irrelevant and
flatly contradict established policy- specifically WP:TITLEDAB at WP:AT (a policy), to which WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (a guideline) specifically defers. WP:TITLEDAB states:
... [a] title may have other meanings, and therefore may have been already used for other articles. According to the above-mentioned precision criterion, when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary.The policy is based on there being an actual and not a perceived or potential conflict in article titles. There is no actual conflict between Russian invasion of Ukraine and any other Russian invasion of Ukraine. Furthermore, we are specifically told to
use only as much additional detail as necessary.Because there is no actual conflict in titles, preceding with year (eg 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine)
flatly contradict[s] established policy. I am not here to relitigate the RM but the prevailing policy is directly related to this discussion. Keeping that in mind, what is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and what is the evidence? Of the invasions/occupations listed at List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine immediately post the Russian revolution, average daily page views are less than 40 (and typically much less). [1] [2] [3] [4] Looking at the two other events listed under the Russo-Ukrainian War and the long term results from before the 2022 invasion: Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation has about 2,000 page views per day; [5] and, War in Donbas has about 2,500. [6] WP:RECENTISM was raised during the RM in that the 2022 invasion overshadows earlier events. After a year, average daily page views are tending to flatten at somewhere between 40,000-50,000. At an order of magnitude greater than the sum of the other two relatively recent events, that is a lot of recentism to overcome. What weight do we give recentism? That can only be considered by comparison of the global ramifications and consequently, how these will be viewed comparatively in the future once the dust has settled. While WP is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL ... The global reaction and direct global ramifications (particularly economic), demonstratively far exceed the other events - even if this is a somewhat qualitative metric. IMHO, the weight to be given recentism is not so significant to change the result from present evidence. Even for these other events that may be termed invasions, this is not part of their WP:COMMONNAME, given common name is the primary criteria for determining an article title. Bottom line: actual evidence assessed against the prevailing WP:P&G supports keeping this as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Cinderella157 ( talk) 13:04, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
...PDABs can have primary topics, but that "the standard for making disambiguated titles such as Foo (bar) a primary topic among all Foo's that are bars should be tougher than the standard for titles that don't have any disambiguator".WP:PDABLIST is only listing articles that have parenthetic or comma disambiguation. The spirit and intent of the cited WP:P&G (including WP:INCOMPDAB) does not appear to apply to natural article titles - ie the assertion that
"Russian invasion of Ukraine" is a partially disambiguated title ("Russian" disambiguating a base title of " Invasion of Ukraine"does not appear to hold water when compared against the cited WP:P&G. So, while
the standard for PRIMARYTOPIC status for such titles is higher, it does not appear to apply here. On the other hand, WP:TITLEDAB is quite explicit in the requirement,
when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary.I was not arguing WP:PRIMARYTOPIC because it has
it's the one that's gotten the most global attention. Rather, I stated
The global reaction and direct global ramifications (particularly economic), demonstratively far exceed the other eventsand,
[it] can only be considered by comparison of the global ramifications and consequently, how these will be viewed comparatively in the future once the dust has settled.This is equivalent to WP:10YT. The recent RM was largely based on unsubstantiated opinions which really didn't cite WP:P&G and which that are (largely) flately contradicted by established policy.
[Is] it is so clearly the primary topic that we are justified in having [this title] redirect to it? Unlike the previous RM, we now have actual evidence before us. Cinderella157 ( talk) 07:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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I don't think this is the correct target for this redirect. For one, the current target is not exclusive to the concept of "secularity". In addition, it is unclear what specific article of the list of articles that begin with "Secular" this redirect could best refer to. Steel1943 ( talk) 19:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
from Latin saeculum, "worldly"", which establishes a connection. – Scyrme ( talk) 20:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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Public schools are secular, but Catholic schools are not. Grocery stores are secular; a synagogue is not. If there's no religion involved, then you're in "the secular world" — as people sometimes call everything that exists outside of religion.
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