This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 10, 2021.
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BDD (
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16:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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No reason to have foreign language redirects in template-space; unused. There's a few dozen of these I'll nominate it if looks like there's consensus to delete this.
Elliot321 (
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03:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete not in English and highly unlikely to be used by editors and I do not think
WP:RFOREIGN applies to templates
🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (
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11:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. The only reason for foreign-language templates on the English Wikipedia is when they are basically a wrapper for the English template, taking input from foreign-named parameters and passing them to the English-named equivalents.
Thryduulf (
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12:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per
User:🌸 1.Ayana 🌸.
053pvr (
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05:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak keep per Uanfala and 86.23.109.101. I do not see the harm in maintaining the few dozen such redirects of this that exist, except maybe to stave off the notion that these are acceptable in all cases or should be created akin where possible en masse (but that is unlikely and not a reason to delete). @
Thryduulf: That may not have happened in this case, but was it based on the foreign template?; at the least,
Elli, I might suggest being careful and looking into the background of each redirect before you group them all together (maybe smaller groups by situation, or some may be acceptable). That aside, is it implausible that editors might search for a template under the foreign name? —
Godsy (
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07:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Godsy:
is it implausible that editors might search for a template under the foreign name?
yes. Especially given that any two non-English Wikipedias may use the same name for different templates the only reliable way to find out the name of the English template when you only know/remember the non-English equivalent is to look up that template on the relevant non-English Wikipedia and follow the interwiki links. This also means neither Wikipedia has to know about renames, mergers, etc of templates on other Wikipedias in order to maintain template redirects on their own wiki.
Thryduulf (
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12:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Godsy: the only redirects I would nominate are unused.
Elli (
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18:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep foreign language redirects like this are useful for e.g. if someone was translating articles related to this from Russian Wikipedia.
Joseph
2302 (
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11:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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- How? They have to translate all the article text anyway, and the Russian template redirect working just disguises the need to translate the template call too. If it is left in the article it becomes an unnecessary barrier to non-Russian speakers while providing no benefit. If someone doesn't know the name of the template on the English Wikipedia then they can look at the interwikis from the Russian Wikipedia template or ask someone. Not so applicable to this template, but for any template that takes parameters a redirect that doesn't translate the parameter names offers no benefit over a redlink (other than being potentially harder to identify), a mix of working and non-working templates also makes the job of checking the article unnecessarily harder and any templates that happen to share their name with a different template on any other language wiki could lead to unnecessary confusion.
Thryduulf (
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16:39, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and others above. No reason to have this template around when it is clearly unused and unnecessary.
CycloneYoris
talk!
09:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep seems harmless, and useful for translating articles to English. Thanks!
Plastikspork
―Œ(talk)
15:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
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Rosguill
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19:12, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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This appears to be a pretty useless redirect. The target is the vague overview of the entire country, and this term could be used in many different instances, including several which could be official positions of the government.
Onel5969
TT me
18:59, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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-
Onel5969, I don't know whether you recognised this, but it can also stand for Republic of the Philippines (in which case the target is justified) as well as Representative of the Philippines. It's a question now of what it stands for in most instances. —
J947 ‡
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edits
20:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Hi
J947 - yes I did realize that, it was part of the point I obviously didn't make well enough, about how it could point to several different things, not just the article about the nation.
Onel5969
TT me
00:13, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Plastikspork
―Œ(talk)
14:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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Not mentioned at the target, possible BLPCRIME concerns. I think that the redirect should be deleted unless there is consensus to add a mention at the target. signed,
Rosguill
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17:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 24#Meteorology/Books
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Rosguill
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19:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Inappropriate non-english redirects per
WP:FORRED. Nothing particularly Spanish/French/Portuguese about the concept of Meteorology
86.23.109.101 (
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15:50, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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MUSEA (Music School of Eastern Africa) (disambiguation)
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Rosguill
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19:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Not only is this redirect totally implausible, consisting of an initialism disambiguated by its expanded form with an additional "(disambiguation)" appended (even though the title does not seem to be ambiguous); this is not even mentioned at the target. A mention may be added per
List of university and college schools of music, but this redirect should be deleted. I also think
Music School of Eastern Africa should better not be created, as the list does not provide any further information and the redlink there encourages article creation.
𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (
𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠)
14:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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(identifier) wikidata soft redirects
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- The result of the discussion was Retarget WDQ to
Wikidata, retarget PIC to
New York Public Library#Website and digital holdings , delete FNZA. While there were a fair amount of editors who professed neutrality for redirects other than WDQ, among those who did opine about PIC or FNZA there apppears to be a rough consensus. signed,
Rosguill
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21:31, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
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The plain soft redirect template, i.e. {{
soft redirect}},
is not used in the mainspace (
WP:SOFTSIS). I heavily caution against retaining these soft redirects to
Wikidata: and suggest deleting them along the lines of
WP:NOTDIR. These seemingly do little for
readers and might confuse or surprise them (the format of Wikidata may seem foreign to what they are expecting etc.). However, if these are deemed appropriate, then a new
specialized soft redirect template is due to excise these occurrences of the plain soft redirect template from the mainspace ({{
Wikidata redirect}} is a
redirect category). I would be happy to handle that aspect if it is determined that these should be kept. —
Godsy (
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19:38, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment. These have numerous incoming links due to
Module:Authority control; other redirects there target appropriate mainspace articles. I can't see any suitable target article for
Find New Zealand Artists. Retarget PIC to
New York Public Library consistent with
Photographers' Identities Catalog. Retarget WQI (Wikidata Q identifier) to
Wikidata.
Shhhnotsoloud (
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20:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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- I first saw
AnomieBOT III placing {{
soft redirect}} on
WDQ (identifier)
here; I assumed it was configured properly, and propagated that change to the 2 other #Rs listed above. I have no problem replacing {{
soft redirect}} with
#REDIRECT [[:d:Q43649390]]
, as originally intended prior to
AnomieBOT III. ~
Tom.Reding (
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dgaf)
20:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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- The reason these 3 #Rs exist is not against
WP:NOTDIR - they are but 3 exceptions to the "<ID> (identifier)"
Module:Authority control #R
convention, whose #Rs were created by
Matthiaspaul & myself. ~
Tom.Reding (
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dgaf)
- The general purpose of these "(identifier) redirects" instead of direct links is to reduce the clutter at "What links here" and improve reverse lookup capabilities. They are used by citation templates, authority control templates, catalog lookup link templates, infoboxes and various other templates, and they should point to the corresponding Wikipedia page explaining the identifier. They should only be used in conjunction with identifiers, not for "normal" links to the target page.
- Until recently, all these redirects actually resolved to Wikipedia pages, and this should definitely remain the default in order to not undermine the idea. In rare cases, where an identifier redirect needs to be created although we don't yet have a good target page in Wikipedia, I think, we can extend the idea and let it temporarily point to the corresponding Wikidata entry, but this should remain the exception.
- "WDQ (identifier)" should be changed back to point to our Wikipedia article on
Wikidata.
- --
Matthiaspaul (
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21:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget These should never have been made into Wikidata interwiki links to begin with. I rectified two of them with:
1007122341 and
1007123617. I am not sure where to target
FNZA (identifier) as
Find New Zealand Artists is a joint project of
Auckland Art Gallery Toi o Tāmaki and
Christchurch Art Gallery. I suppose we could leave it redlinked but I have not seen redirects to a missing article much. As always, someone could stub out the article to rectify the redlink. As a final option besides a new
WP:SSRT, we could delete
FNZA (identifier) and do a partial revert of
1006930837 returning things to how they were before
Tom.Reding pushed things in this direction. —
Uzume (
talk)
16:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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- A redirect to a redlink will be deleted under
WP:CSD#G8 sooner or later, so that's not a long-term solution.
Thryduulf (
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20:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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- I suspected that might not work. —
Uzume (
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20:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget
WDQ (identifier) to (the Wikipedia article on)
Wikidata. Retarget
PIC (identifier) to
New York Public Library#Website_and_digital_holdings. Delete
FNZA (identifier) because there is no article on the thing it is referring to. (I don't see what the problem with
Module:Authority control linking to it despite it being red is, that is no different from any other link to a subject that doesn't have an article). These redirects linking to Wikidata is a clear perversion of
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 204#New RFC on linking to Wikidata.
* Pppery *
it has begun...
21:24, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete
FNZA (identifier) to encourage creation of an article. Redlinks identify that an article does not exist but should, and I don't see why this one would be an exception. Of course, once
Find New Zealand Artists is created, it should link there. It does appear the other two have already been resolved. --
Tavix (
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15:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment How about we get
Module:Authority control to refer directly to
Find New Zealand Artists? This creates the correct red links and for now we can delete
FNZA (identifier). We really only use the "(identifier)" redirects to avoid
Special:WhatLinksHere noise but that does not seem much applicable for a page that does not exist. Things can be updated to move back to
FNZA (identifier) once
Find New Zealand Artists exists. The other option would be a partial revert of
1006930837 so that the module refers to an interwiki link to Wikidata. Regardless, I do not think it is proper or even much useful to employ "(identifier)" redirects when a local article target does not exist. —
Uzume (
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20:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.Relisting comment: There is cosnensus to retarget WDQ (identifier) and PIC (identifier) to the article targets identified, but further discussion about FNZA (identifier) is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Thryduulf (
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14:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment - To clarify, I support the deletion of
FNZA (identifier). If it is kept ({{
soft redirect}}
is not used in the mainspace), it will trigger the creation of a a new
specialized soft redirect template for redirects to
wikidata. I have concerns that the existence of such a template will lead to the idea that such redirects are acceptable sometimes, e.g. against
certain notions. There are currently no redirects to wikidata in the mainspace; is sending
readers there something the community wishes to endorse? —
Godsy (
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17:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Godsy: To be honest, we might just consider having a catch-all sister project soft redirect template for {{
Wikispecies redirect}} and Wikidata. We only have one Wikispecies soft redirect, and the template
isn't the most popular (see also:
here and
here). It could say something generic and explain that the target page isn't actually an article but still may contain useful information on a sister website. Just a thought there. –
MJL
‐Talk‐
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18:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Of course, it would also have to explain that this soft redirect is only used in exceptional circumstances and per consensus. –
MJL
‐Talk‐
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18:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
MJL: I like the idea of warning text of sorts on the template that "explains that the target page is not actually an article but still may contain useful information on a sister site." However, I prefer seperate templates. It keeps the coding simple & easily editable and does not require auto-detection or an extra parameter to specify which site (easier on those applying the templates who are not familiar with it and even me because that is something I monitor and often end up fixing). —
Godsy (
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18:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Godsy: In that case, then I think we'll need a new Wikidata template. I drew
something up for you to see what I propose in practice. –
MJL
‐Talk‐
☖
19:03, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
MJL: Yeah; I based the ones for
wikibooks,
wikispecies, and
commons off the ones that existed prior to that. More than happy to sort out the specifics with you, if this redirect ends up being kept. —
Godsy (
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CONT)
19:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Godsy: we already have {{
Wikidata redirect}} which is in the same vein as {{
Wiktionary redirect}} etc (though it is currently also used on hard redirects, which I'm working on changing). The wording could realistically be changed to indicate Wikidata as the only target, but... yeah, not sure if we should do that. But there is no need for a new template here.
Elli (
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00:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Elli: {{
Wikidata redirect}} isn't meant for this use case though. It's more of a type of
WP:RCAT than a soft redirect template. –
MJL
‐Talk‐
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03:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
MJL: it's meant for both and is named like a soft redirect template. I think the rcat and soft redirect functionality should be split, personally (you can see various discussions about this on the talk).
Elli (
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04:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
Elli: I am familiar with the rcat template. I could not quite follow what you are getting at; from what I could glean, I seemingly disagree in many regards. —
Godsy (
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CONT)
15:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Isn't it premature to discuss how to implement a hypothetical keep closure before the discussion is closed.
* Pppery *
it has begun...
02:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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- At this length, you're making a fair point (hence, my hesitance to discuss certain matters further at this time in reply above). My intention was merely to mention that, regardless of what happens, this will not remain a plain {{
soft redirect}} and the potential repercussive waves that such a new specialized template might cause. Nothing more, nothing less; certainly did not imagine it turning into this big of an exchange. —
Godsy (
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12:44, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Delete, Probably not going to be used by anyone.
053pvr (
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05:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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- @
053pvr: Did you read the discussion above? These redirects are used in the {{
Authority control}} template and are linked to in thousands of articles - "PIC (identifier)" has over 6,000 incoming links.
86.23.109.101 (
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03:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Retarget
PIC (identifier) to
New York Public Library#Website and digital holdings for consistency with
Photographers' Identities Catalog per above.
- Retarget
WDQ (identifier) to
Wikidata per above.
- Delete
FNZA (identifier), and modify the template to stop the creation of redirect links as we have no appropriate local target. Perhaps use something like {{
Abbr}} to create a rollover explanation of the initialism instead?
86.23.109.101 (
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14:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Rosguill
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19:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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I can't figure out the connection between this redirect and it's target. To me it seems that this should be targeting something like
Construction, but I don't think it's a particularly plausible search term to get there either
86.23.109.101 (
talk)
14:23, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak keep or retarget to
Construction. "Builder's work" or "Builders's work" is a Britishism for constructing buildings or machinery. Wikipedia doesn't actually have either of those as redirects, but it should. The nominated redirect is just a variant of those more standard search terms, so there's nothing wrong it.
50.248.234.77 (
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14:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. I'm a native speaker of British English and I've never heard this phrase (unlike "building works"). Google results for the exact phrase are a mix of a couple of specific companies, "builder's works" and partial matches for phrases a like "a builder works on...".
Thryduulf (
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12:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Implausible search term.
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05:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 19#Automagic
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 19#Roman equivalent
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 19#Capital equipment
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Rosguill
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19:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Implausible double typo redirect, has both a spacing error and missing c from hydraulics. I just retargeted
Industrial Hydraulics to
Hydraulic machinery which seemed like a better target to me, but I don't think this typo redirect is worth keeping.
86.23.109.101 (
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13:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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Baroody (surname) (disambiguation)
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WP:G7 —
Bagumba (
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12:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Baroody (surname) has been moved to
Baroody and is no longer a disambiguation page, so this redirect is not needed (and is awkward).
Leschnei (
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12:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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19:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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This is supposed to be targeting
Spruce Technologies, as the name of a DVD subtitling technology that they released, but the article on Spruce Technology was merged into the apple aticle in 2010 following an AfD nomination. As it stands this technology isn't mentioned by name anywhere in the encyclopedia
86.23.109.101 (
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Relisted, see
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Rosguill
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19:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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WP:FORRED. Nothing Swedish about a video card. There is a Swedish language article in the page history, but it would be A2 / A10 speedy deletable if restored
86.23.109.101 (
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12:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. This should have been deleted in 2008 instead of being redirected. In any case, graphics cards are indeed not especially Swedish, so this is not needed on the English Wikipedia.
50.248.234.77 (
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13:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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Rosguill
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19:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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WP:FORRED. Nothing French/German about evaporation
86.23.109.101 (
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11:23, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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19:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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WP:FORRED. No connection between the concept of a jingle and the Japanese language.
86.23.109.101 (
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11:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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19:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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WP:FORRED. Nothing particularly Swedish about birdsong
86.23.109.101 (
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11:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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Rosguill
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19:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Astaire and Rogers were never referred to as Fringer.
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10:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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Planetary or gender symbols
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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 26#Planetary or gender symbols