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Afghan nationalism

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 02:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete, maybe speedy delete per criterion G1. Turn into a separate article if it meets GNG and someone with the needed background steps up. The only place "Afghan nationalism" appears on the article for "Pashtun nationalism" is a completely unsourced claim in the lead. It seems to be the equivalent of having American Nationalism redirect to White Nationalism, which would obviously be patently nonsensical. It also apparently produces nonsensical secondary results, such as "Afghan Nationalism" in the infobox of the Panjshir resistance redirecting to "Pashtun Nationalism", which AFAICT they don't even remotely have anything to do with. It would be better to have "Afghan Nationalism" WP:Redlink than redirect to something different. Intralexical ( talk) 22:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per WP:REDLINK and WP:RFD#D5 ( WP:G1 definitely does not apply). The very small amount of reading I did on this subject just now suggests there is really no such thing as Afghan nationalism, but it is definitely not the same thing as Pashtun nationalism: Pashtun nationalists agitate for the creation of a Pashtun state separate from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Linking the two terms is nonsense, akin to describing Quebec separatists as Canadian nationalists (but not patent nonsense which is synonymous with gibberish). Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 15:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    This is still too iffy for be to be an outright keep, but what makes me wonder about this is whether or not there is such a thing as Afghan nationalism. There is Canadian nationalism, of course. If there weren't, though, redirecting "Canadian nationalism" to a prominent strain of nationalism in Canada at least passes the smell test for me. I'm wary of implying or declaring that there's no such thing as Afghan nationalism, though, which points me to REDLINK deletion. -- BDD ( talk) 15:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    I ... guess? It's a redirect to a political opposite, was the point I was trying to make. Describing a political movement to break up <country A> to create a distinct and separate country out of it as "<country A> nationalism" seems more like nonsense to me. I doubt that absent other forms of nationalism we would describe George Washington or Alexander Hamilton, or say William Wallace, as English nationalists.
    As for Afghan nationalism, my (brief, rushed) reading suggested that Afghan nationalism was a movement during the Great Game era to free the Emirate of Afghanistan from its role as sort of a buffer state between British and Russian colonialism in the Middle East, which culminated in the transition to the Kingdom of Afghanistan in the early 20th century, but that nationalism waned in the years that followed as the Kingdom fell in the 1970s and the country has been at war with itself and with other world powers basically ever since. Of course I'm a long way off from an expert in central Asian history, but I don't think we have an article which covers that. Pashtun nationalism is something else entirely. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 19:25, 23 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    I suppose even my strained argument is more for "Nationalism in Afghanistan" than "Afghan nationalism". Let's see if we get somewhere with the draft. -- BDD ( talk) 14:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Please don't delete this redirect. I am creating a draft article under the redirect. 2409:4061:2DCF:43B5:9D5B:A001:EE4C:EC37 ( talk) 05:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    That's a workable approach, too. Might I suggest you draft at Draft:Afghan nationalism, and submit through WP:AFC when you think the draft is ready? What you've written so far is speedy deletable under criterion WP:A7, but using the draft namespace would give you some time to develop it more. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 14:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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Macedonian (Greek Latin) language

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 15:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Inaccurate redirect. Aromanian was mostly referred to as Macedonian in the first half of the past century and it is barely known as such anymore, and we already have Macedonian language, it is better to not refer Aromanian as Macedonian in Wikipedia to avoid confusion (also, Aromanians don't only live in the region of Macedonia, most of them don't even live there). Furthermore, this redirect implies that Aromanian is some kind of mix between Greek and Latin, which is false, this is a Romance language with Greek influence but also influence from several other languages. This redirect has no purpose, and I propose its deletion. Note that a similar redirect was deleted not too long ago, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 10#Greek Romance languages. Super Ψ Dro 20:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

I've seen "Macedonian" being (rarely) used by Romanian scholars in the early 20th century, but not "Greek Latin". Super Ψ Dro 13:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. This seems to be left over from a bit of 8 year old page move vandalism [1] from an editor that was moving pages related to the Aromanians to nonsense titles [2]. In addition to the points raised by the nominator the weird mid-phrase disambiguation makes this an unlikely search term. 192.76.8.74 ( talk) 22:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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Yang Qian (table tennis )

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The result of the discussion was delete per WP:CSD#R3: Recently created, implausible redirect wbm1058 ( talk) 21:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Implausible error in bracket. Sun8908 Talk 09:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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Bbbp

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Illaoi

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 06:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

WP:GAMECRUFT that doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. Hog Farm Talk 02:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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Ms. Momomiya

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Amplia

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The result of the discussion was keep. plicit 06:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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Latin slang

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hog Farm Talk 14:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Slang ≠ obscenities, I think that this redirect should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 12:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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HD 24496 Ab

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 06:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Previously deleted by PROD due to lack of evidence of existence, but was then recreated as a redirect after it had been scrubbed from the host star's article. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 23:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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India's

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 06:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

I propose retargeting this to India (disambiguation) (Indias, plural?) or deletion. This seems like an unlikely typo but gets some page views. Seems potentially confusing. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:38, 8 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per Tamzin. And if it's a redlink, then editors will notice when they mistakenly put [[India's]] and properly change it to [[India]]'s. Mlb96 ( talk) 04:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Unless there's a notable brand that uses the possessive or plural, this isn't helpful. Checking other country pages, some have possessives and some don't. Also per MOS:OVERLINK there really isn't a need to link to a possessive for "names of subjects with which most readers will be at least somewhat familiar" / major examples of countries. AngusW🐶🐶F ( barksniff) 18:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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Afghan nationalism

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 02:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Delete, maybe speedy delete per criterion G1. Turn into a separate article if it meets GNG and someone with the needed background steps up. The only place "Afghan nationalism" appears on the article for "Pashtun nationalism" is a completely unsourced claim in the lead. It seems to be the equivalent of having American Nationalism redirect to White Nationalism, which would obviously be patently nonsensical. It also apparently produces nonsensical secondary results, such as "Afghan Nationalism" in the infobox of the Panjshir resistance redirecting to "Pashtun Nationalism", which AFAICT they don't even remotely have anything to do with. It would be better to have "Afghan Nationalism" WP:Redlink than redirect to something different. Intralexical ( talk) 22:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

  • Delete per WP:REDLINK and WP:RFD#D5 ( WP:G1 definitely does not apply). The very small amount of reading I did on this subject just now suggests there is really no such thing as Afghan nationalism, but it is definitely not the same thing as Pashtun nationalism: Pashtun nationalists agitate for the creation of a Pashtun state separate from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Linking the two terms is nonsense, akin to describing Quebec separatists as Canadian nationalists (but not patent nonsense which is synonymous with gibberish). Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 15:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    This is still too iffy for be to be an outright keep, but what makes me wonder about this is whether or not there is such a thing as Afghan nationalism. There is Canadian nationalism, of course. If there weren't, though, redirecting "Canadian nationalism" to a prominent strain of nationalism in Canada at least passes the smell test for me. I'm wary of implying or declaring that there's no such thing as Afghan nationalism, though, which points me to REDLINK deletion. -- BDD ( talk) 15:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    I ... guess? It's a redirect to a political opposite, was the point I was trying to make. Describing a political movement to break up <country A> to create a distinct and separate country out of it as "<country A> nationalism" seems more like nonsense to me. I doubt that absent other forms of nationalism we would describe George Washington or Alexander Hamilton, or say William Wallace, as English nationalists.
    As for Afghan nationalism, my (brief, rushed) reading suggested that Afghan nationalism was a movement during the Great Game era to free the Emirate of Afghanistan from its role as sort of a buffer state between British and Russian colonialism in the Middle East, which culminated in the transition to the Kingdom of Afghanistan in the early 20th century, but that nationalism waned in the years that followed as the Kingdom fell in the 1970s and the country has been at war with itself and with other world powers basically ever since. Of course I'm a long way off from an expert in central Asian history, but I don't think we have an article which covers that. Pashtun nationalism is something else entirely. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 19:25, 23 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    I suppose even my strained argument is more for "Nationalism in Afghanistan" than "Afghan nationalism". Let's see if we get somewhere with the draft. -- BDD ( talk) 14:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Please don't delete this redirect. I am creating a draft article under the redirect. 2409:4061:2DCF:43B5:9D5B:A001:EE4C:EC37 ( talk) 05:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply
    That's a workable approach, too. Might I suggest you draft at Draft:Afghan nationalism, and submit through WP:AFC when you think the draft is ready? What you've written so far is speedy deletable under criterion WP:A7, but using the draft namespace would give you some time to develop it more. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 14:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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Macedonian (Greek Latin) language

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- BDD ( talk) 15:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Inaccurate redirect. Aromanian was mostly referred to as Macedonian in the first half of the past century and it is barely known as such anymore, and we already have Macedonian language, it is better to not refer Aromanian as Macedonian in Wikipedia to avoid confusion (also, Aromanians don't only live in the region of Macedonia, most of them don't even live there). Furthermore, this redirect implies that Aromanian is some kind of mix between Greek and Latin, which is false, this is a Romance language with Greek influence but also influence from several other languages. This redirect has no purpose, and I propose its deletion. Note that a similar redirect was deleted not too long ago, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 10#Greek Romance languages. Super Ψ Dro 20:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

I've seen "Macedonian" being (rarely) used by Romanian scholars in the early 20th century, but not "Greek Latin". Super Ψ Dro 13:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. This seems to be left over from a bit of 8 year old page move vandalism [1] from an editor that was moving pages related to the Aromanians to nonsense titles [2]. In addition to the points raised by the nominator the weird mid-phrase disambiguation makes this an unlikely search term. 192.76.8.74 ( talk) 22:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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Yang Qian (table tennis )

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The result of the discussion was delete per WP:CSD#R3: Recently created, implausible redirect wbm1058 ( talk) 21:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Implausible error in bracket. Sun8908 Talk 09:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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Bbbp

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Illaoi

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 06:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

WP:GAMECRUFT that doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. Hog Farm Talk 02:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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Ms. Momomiya

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Amplia

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The result of the discussion was keep. plicit 06:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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Latin slang

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hog Farm Talk 14:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Slang ≠ obscenities, I think that this redirect should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 12:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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HD 24496 Ab

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 06:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Previously deleted by PROD due to lack of evidence of existence, but was then recreated as a redirect after it had been scrubbed from the host star's article. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 23:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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India's

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 06:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC) reply

I propose retargeting this to India (disambiguation) (Indias, plural?) or deletion. This seems like an unlikely typo but gets some page views. Seems potentially confusing. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:38, 8 August 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per Tamzin. And if it's a redlink, then editors will notice when they mistakenly put [[India's]] and properly change it to [[India]]'s. Mlb96 ( talk) 04:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Unless there's a notable brand that uses the possessive or plural, this isn't helpful. Checking other country pages, some have possessives and some don't. Also per MOS:OVERLINK there really isn't a need to link to a possessive for "names of subjects with which most readers will be at least somewhat familiar" / major examples of countries. AngusW🐶🐶F ( barksniff) 18:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC) reply
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