This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 23, 2018.
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 30#SoundCloud rap
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Lithium phosphate → Lithium iron phosphate ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
These are different compounds, and there is no mention of the subject at the target. Bsherr ( talk) 23:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Either an article should be started at this title or the redirect should be deleted. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 12:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was speedy delete. I've speedy deleted this as a WP:G7. The only purpose in creating this redirect was to inform readers of the existence of the French article. It is already one step away from being useful by taking the reader through an additional page. Creating a stub shoves the interwiki link to the bottom of the sidebar making it even harder to find. Plastering it with templates completely obscures the page's purpose. I've come to the conclusion that this is never going to help anyone, even those who can read the French page. Spinning Spark 08:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Bonne Nuit les Petits → fr:Bonne nuit les petits ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. This is the only plain soft redirect that exists in the mainspace. Suggestions for local targets are welcome. Precedents: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 21#Mohamed Chabani and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 18#Saint Michel Boulevard. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 20:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- I created this redirect because I thought this was the accepted way of linking to other Wikipedias (ie, they shouldn't be linked directly in article). There is no article for this subject on Wikipedia, but there is a French one. It seems quite reasonable to provide a link for readers who want to know more and can read French. The page is also an opportunity to link to the IMdB page, which is in English. Spinning Spark 20:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Inline interlanguage links are discouraged but not disallowed:
To avoid reader confusion, inline interlanguage, or interwiki, linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged. … [However,]
If a red link is not appropriate locally for whatever reason, such as because the subject does not appear to be notable or because you are unable to supply an English translation of the title, then linking a page in another language may be useful. Though the guidelines conflict slightly, an inline link to
fr:Bonne nuit les petits in
Flitch of bacon custom would likely be acceptable. That aside, a redirect, even soft, should not contain any content; even if such a redirect were appropriate, the link to the English IMBD page should not be placed on it. —
Godsy (
TALK
CONT)
19:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Why do I always feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall every time I come to this board? It's only a redirect because you just restored it (to the wrong place I might add) after I created a stub, as suggested here. Please close this discussion and stop this nonsense. I've withdrawn the attempt to create a stub. You are wasting everyones time continuing to discuss it. Spinning Spark 02:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- For Christ's sake, all I'm trying to do is bring to the attention of readers that a French article exists, not write an article here. There's no need to plaster that with templates – that's just over the top.
Spinning
Spark
02:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Discussion notices should remain on the page being discussed until the respective deletion discussion closes. Drafting may occur beneath it. Secondly, stubs are articles. Thus, WP:V and WP:N apply, making cleanup templates pointing out such issues warranted. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 04:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Inline interlanguage links are discouraged but not disallowed:
To avoid reader confusion, inline interlanguage, or interwiki, linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged. … [However,]
If a red link is not appropriate locally for whatever reason, such as because the subject does not appear to be notable or because you are unable to supply an English translation of the title, then linking a page in another language may be useful. Though the guidelines conflict slightly, an inline link to
fr:Bonne nuit les petits in
Flitch of bacon custom would likely be acceptable. That aside, a redirect, even soft, should not contain any content; even if such a redirect were appropriate, the link to the English IMBD page should not be placed on it. —
Godsy (
TALK
CONT)
19:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia:Soft redirect generally proscribes redirects to articles in other languages. @ Spinningspark: Perhaps you could make a stub instead? -- Bsherr ( talk) 23:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Mentioned only very briefly in the target; there doesn't seem to be any particularly close connection between Tom Vague and Martin Kitcher. None of the other articles that mentions Tom Vague strikes me as a better target. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 19:16, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as Tom Vague could possibly have his own article, provided there are news articles about him, and not just random blogs. [1] [2] He wrote a book called Televisionaries, the Red Army Faction Story, 1963 - 1993 AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was Restore article, and send to WP:AFD, which would effectively ultimately resolve the issues mentioned in the discussion. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 16:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Broken (Memphis May Fire album) → Memphis May Fire ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
There is significant debate about whether an article should be created for Broken (Memphis May Fire album), so I have brought the discussion here. Jax 0677 ( talk) 18:05, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect There is insufficient coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to merit an article. I don't know that there has been any debate about it let alone significant debate. One editor complained on the talk page, and I responded there with the eight sources that were present at the time. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM. Since that time http://www.metalsucks.net/2018/08/27/atreyu-announce-tour-with-memphis-may-fire-and-ice-nine-kills/ and https://www.altpress.com/news/memphis-may-fire-broken-album-old-me-song/ were added, but they're WP:ROUTINE coverage. So I stand by my conclusion. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 18:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Article I have already discussed with
Walter Görlitz after he decided to remove my article twice. Even if the sources couldn't be the best ones, an album should deserve an article and not just a redirect. A track list is an important missing information if there is the redirect.
One of the source trascribed an interview of Matty Mullins and it brings a lot of informations about writing process, production and mixing.
Ibbus93 (
talk)
00:02, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't remove the article, I redirected it.
WP:NALBUM and
WP:GNG are the only possible criteria that this album could claim for notability. Neither of those say that all albums should have articles, only notable ones. I'm not sure why you do not understand that.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- I understood your point, but the fact that the discussion came here means that I'm not the only one that is not fully agree with you. Anyway, right now, there are new reviews and articles about the record coming from Sputnikmusic and Deadpress. Those seems to me totally reliable sources and independent. Ibbus93 ( talk) 09:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't remove the article, I redirected it.
WP:NALBUM and
WP:GNG are the only possible criteria that this album could claim for notability. Neither of those say that all albums should have articles, only notable ones. I'm not sure why you do not understand that.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Restore article and send to AfD which is the proper venue to resolve disputes about whether an article should exist for a given subject. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
No such film. No future film is covered in the article. — Xezbeth ( talk) 17:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:NOTGOSSIP Avengers 4 rumors. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to Kenshiro. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 02:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru → Fist of the North Star ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
An {{ R from quote}} and long-dead meme recently come back to life. Not mentioned at the target. One somewhat-reliable source exists [3], but I am not sure whether or not this is worth adding to the target (maybe it would fit in the Reception and legacy section.) There don't seem to have been any recent non-vandal attempts to add content about it. 59.149.124.29 ( talk) 16:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to target page
Kenshiro. The page for this character already mentions his catchphrase and has a source for it. Better choice than the series he is from. For precedence,
Vegeta is the target of
It's over 9000.
烤麵包機 (
talk)
07:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that. Sorry I missed the mention there when I was searching (because the Kenshiro article spelled it "Mō" instead of "Mou"). 59.149.124.29 ( talk) 09:01, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kenshiro as noted. Already marked as R from quote. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was keep. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yuhanon Mar Dimithrios → John Mathews (theologian) ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
There exist a number of primary sources that evidence that Dr Mathews is also known by this name. It would also appear that for liturgical purposes in Oriental Orthodoxy clerics with the given name "John" (in English) are referred to as "Yuhanon" (which appears to be a common latin alphabet transliteration of John in the Syriac language). Shirt58 ( talk) 09:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Needs knowledgeable attention - this article was found by me written in the name of John Mathews - but in the article space of Yuhanon Mar Dimithrios. However the article appeared to make little or not reference to the odd discrepancy / possible dual name. This either needs rewriting to reflect the dual name issue or the be de-linked entirely. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk)
- Comment The name change is mentioned on the websites of the Delhi Orthodox Diocese [4] and the Malankara Orthodox Diocese of Northeast America [5] (in both cases using different Latin-alphabet spellings for the consecration name). Yuhanon Mar Dimithrios written in Malayalam is യൂഹാനോന് മാര് ദിമിത്രിയോസ് in case anyone wants to hunt for other sources with Google Translate. 59.149.124.29 ( talk) 12:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment
John Mathews (theologian) makes no mention of this name. If it is the case that he is also known by this name, that article needs to mention it, preferably with some insight into why he has this alternative name (needless to say, covering the "Mar" and the "Dimithrios" as well as the "Yuhanon"). —
Smjg (
talk)
13:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- According to the news piece on the Malankara Orthodox Diocese of America, he was consecrated with the new name when he became Metropolitan. Yuhanon (variously spelled in English) is just the
Saint Thomas Christian names form of "John", and Mar is a title (but it's unlikely there exists a source explaining that specifically in connection with him, because the people writing news about him assume that's already common knowledge among their readers).
59.149.124.29 (
talk)
13:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- How about putting what you've just said (or a suitably edited version of it) in the article? — Smjg ( talk) 22:50, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- I've just added a brief mention with this reference. Not perfect, but better than no mention at all. — Smjg ( talk) 23:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- According to the news piece on the Malankara Orthodox Diocese of America, he was consecrated with the new name when he became Metropolitan. Yuhanon (variously spelled in English) is just the
Saint Thomas Christian names form of "John", and Mar is a title (but it's unlikely there exists a source explaining that specifically in connection with him, because the people writing news about him assume that's already common knowledge among their readers).
59.149.124.29 (
talk)
13:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 23, 2018.
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 30#SoundCloud rap
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Lithium phosphate → Lithium iron phosphate ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
These are different compounds, and there is no mention of the subject at the target. Bsherr ( talk) 23:33, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Either an article should be started at this title or the redirect should be deleted. -- Ed ( Edgar181) 12:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was speedy delete. I've speedy deleted this as a WP:G7. The only purpose in creating this redirect was to inform readers of the existence of the French article. It is already one step away from being useful by taking the reader through an additional page. Creating a stub shoves the interwiki link to the bottom of the sidebar making it even harder to find. Plastering it with templates completely obscures the page's purpose. I've come to the conclusion that this is never going to help anyone, even those who can read the French page. Spinning Spark 08:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Bonne Nuit les Petits → fr:Bonne nuit les petits ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. This is the only plain soft redirect that exists in the mainspace. Suggestions for local targets are welcome. Precedents: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 21#Mohamed Chabani and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 18#Saint Michel Boulevard. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 20:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- I created this redirect because I thought this was the accepted way of linking to other Wikipedias (ie, they shouldn't be linked directly in article). There is no article for this subject on Wikipedia, but there is a French one. It seems quite reasonable to provide a link for readers who want to know more and can read French. The page is also an opportunity to link to the IMdB page, which is in English. Spinning Spark 20:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Inline interlanguage links are discouraged but not disallowed:
To avoid reader confusion, inline interlanguage, or interwiki, linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged. … [However,]
If a red link is not appropriate locally for whatever reason, such as because the subject does not appear to be notable or because you are unable to supply an English translation of the title, then linking a page in another language may be useful. Though the guidelines conflict slightly, an inline link to
fr:Bonne nuit les petits in
Flitch of bacon custom would likely be acceptable. That aside, a redirect, even soft, should not contain any content; even if such a redirect were appropriate, the link to the English IMBD page should not be placed on it. —
Godsy (
TALK
CONT)
19:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Why do I always feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall every time I come to this board? It's only a redirect because you just restored it (to the wrong place I might add) after I created a stub, as suggested here. Please close this discussion and stop this nonsense. I've withdrawn the attempt to create a stub. You are wasting everyones time continuing to discuss it. Spinning Spark 02:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- For Christ's sake, all I'm trying to do is bring to the attention of readers that a French article exists, not write an article here. There's no need to plaster that with templates – that's just over the top.
Spinning
Spark
02:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Discussion notices should remain on the page being discussed until the respective deletion discussion closes. Drafting may occur beneath it. Secondly, stubs are articles. Thus, WP:V and WP:N apply, making cleanup templates pointing out such issues warranted. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 04:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Inline interlanguage links are discouraged but not disallowed:
To avoid reader confusion, inline interlanguage, or interwiki, linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged. … [However,]
If a red link is not appropriate locally for whatever reason, such as because the subject does not appear to be notable or because you are unable to supply an English translation of the title, then linking a page in another language may be useful. Though the guidelines conflict slightly, an inline link to
fr:Bonne nuit les petits in
Flitch of bacon custom would likely be acceptable. That aside, a redirect, even soft, should not contain any content; even if such a redirect were appropriate, the link to the English IMBD page should not be placed on it. —
Godsy (
TALK
CONT)
19:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia:Soft redirect generally proscribes redirects to articles in other languages. @ Spinningspark: Perhaps you could make a stub instead? -- Bsherr ( talk) 23:26, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Mentioned only very briefly in the target; there doesn't seem to be any particularly close connection between Tom Vague and Martin Kitcher. None of the other articles that mentions Tom Vague strikes me as a better target. – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 19:16, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as Tom Vague could possibly have his own article, provided there are news articles about him, and not just random blogs. [1] [2] He wrote a book called Televisionaries, the Red Army Faction Story, 1963 - 1993 AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was Restore article, and send to WP:AFD, which would effectively ultimately resolve the issues mentioned in the discussion. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 16:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Broken (Memphis May Fire album) → Memphis May Fire ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
There is significant debate about whether an article should be created for Broken (Memphis May Fire album), so I have brought the discussion here. Jax 0677 ( talk) 18:05, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect There is insufficient coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to merit an article. I don't know that there has been any debate about it let alone significant debate. One editor complained on the talk page, and I responded there with the eight sources that were present at the time. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM. Since that time http://www.metalsucks.net/2018/08/27/atreyu-announce-tour-with-memphis-may-fire-and-ice-nine-kills/ and https://www.altpress.com/news/memphis-may-fire-broken-album-old-me-song/ were added, but they're WP:ROUTINE coverage. So I stand by my conclusion. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 18:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Article I have already discussed with
Walter Görlitz after he decided to remove my article twice. Even if the sources couldn't be the best ones, an album should deserve an article and not just a redirect. A track list is an important missing information if there is the redirect.
One of the source trascribed an interview of Matty Mullins and it brings a lot of informations about writing process, production and mixing.
Ibbus93 (
talk)
00:02, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't remove the article, I redirected it.
WP:NALBUM and
WP:GNG are the only possible criteria that this album could claim for notability. Neither of those say that all albums should have articles, only notable ones. I'm not sure why you do not understand that.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- I understood your point, but the fact that the discussion came here means that I'm not the only one that is not fully agree with you. Anyway, right now, there are new reviews and articles about the record coming from Sputnikmusic and Deadpress. Those seems to me totally reliable sources and independent. Ibbus93 ( talk) 09:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't remove the article, I redirected it.
WP:NALBUM and
WP:GNG are the only possible criteria that this album could claim for notability. Neither of those say that all albums should have articles, only notable ones. I'm not sure why you do not understand that.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
00:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Restore article and send to AfD which is the proper venue to resolve disputes about whether an article should exist for a given subject. Thryduulf ( talk) 12:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
No such film. No future film is covered in the article. — Xezbeth ( talk) 17:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:NOTGOSSIP Avengers 4 rumors. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was retarget to Kenshiro. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 02:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru → Fist of the North Star ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
An {{ R from quote}} and long-dead meme recently come back to life. Not mentioned at the target. One somewhat-reliable source exists [3], but I am not sure whether or not this is worth adding to the target (maybe it would fit in the Reception and legacy section.) There don't seem to have been any recent non-vandal attempts to add content about it. 59.149.124.29 ( talk) 16:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to target page
Kenshiro. The page for this character already mentions his catchphrase and has a source for it. Better choice than the series he is from. For precedence,
Vegeta is the target of
It's over 9000.
烤麵包機 (
talk)
07:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that. Sorry I missed the mention there when I was searching (because the Kenshiro article spelled it "Mō" instead of "Mou"). 59.149.124.29 ( talk) 09:01, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kenshiro as noted. Already marked as R from quote. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was keep. ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 03:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yuhanon Mar Dimithrios → John Mathews (theologian) ( talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/ retarget/ delete ]
There exist a number of primary sources that evidence that Dr Mathews is also known by this name. It would also appear that for liturgical purposes in Oriental Orthodoxy clerics with the given name "John" (in English) are referred to as "Yuhanon" (which appears to be a common latin alphabet transliteration of John in the Syriac language). Shirt58 ( talk) 09:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Needs knowledgeable attention - this article was found by me written in the name of John Mathews - but in the article space of Yuhanon Mar Dimithrios. However the article appeared to make little or not reference to the odd discrepancy / possible dual name. This either needs rewriting to reflect the dual name issue or the be de-linked entirely. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk)
- Comment The name change is mentioned on the websites of the Delhi Orthodox Diocese [4] and the Malankara Orthodox Diocese of Northeast America [5] (in both cases using different Latin-alphabet spellings for the consecration name). Yuhanon Mar Dimithrios written in Malayalam is യൂഹാനോന് മാര് ദിമിത്രിയോസ് in case anyone wants to hunt for other sources with Google Translate. 59.149.124.29 ( talk) 12:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment
John Mathews (theologian) makes no mention of this name. If it is the case that he is also known by this name, that article needs to mention it, preferably with some insight into why he has this alternative name (needless to say, covering the "Mar" and the "Dimithrios" as well as the "Yuhanon"). —
Smjg (
talk)
13:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- According to the news piece on the Malankara Orthodox Diocese of America, he was consecrated with the new name when he became Metropolitan. Yuhanon (variously spelled in English) is just the
Saint Thomas Christian names form of "John", and Mar is a title (but it's unlikely there exists a source explaining that specifically in connection with him, because the people writing news about him assume that's already common knowledge among their readers).
59.149.124.29 (
talk)
13:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- How about putting what you've just said (or a suitably edited version of it) in the article? — Smjg ( talk) 22:50, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- I've just added a brief mention with this reference. Not perfect, but better than no mention at all. — Smjg ( talk) 23:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- According to the news piece on the Malankara Orthodox Diocese of America, he was consecrated with the new name when he became Metropolitan. Yuhanon (variously spelled in English) is just the
Saint Thomas Christian names form of "John", and Mar is a title (but it's unlikely there exists a source explaining that specifically in connection with him, because the people writing news about him assume that's already common knowledge among their readers).
59.149.124.29 (
talk)
13:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
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