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- The result of the discussion was dabify. I'll also tag it with {{
dabprimary}}. The article that replaces the dab can certainly be in list form. --
BDD (
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14:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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Every "fish sandwich" is not a "fish finger sandwich". So, delete per
WP:XY and
WP:REDLINK since there is potential for a
broad-concept article at this title.
Steel1943 (
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20:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I'm going to have to pull you on this, out of pure pedantry. To say Ëvery X is not Y is not the same as saying Not every X is Y. that is just basically what
Peano was bashing on about (He was rabbitting about why 1 equals 1 and it isa long proof to show that it do.) Shakespeare does it, ""all that glisters is not gold"" when he means not all that glisters is gold, he doesn't mean that nothing that glisters is gold. So I suppose you have an old excuse. We have it as
All that glitters is not gold here at EN:WP, but that is wrong, should be
glisters. See Trew, 05, Shakesepeare for Dummies.
Si Trew (
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13:49, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I would have thought it fairly simple. To say ""All X are not Y" is different from saying ""Not all X are Y"". This is why
WP:XY is inapplicable or at best marginal.
Si Trew (
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14:37, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- The point I was trying to make is that the redirect is ambiguous. Speaking of which, maybe we should create
WP:YX?
Steel1943 (
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14:40, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Hehehe, I'm up for it as a joke But what would we possibly put there though? I coan think we might take a pic of Y crossed out to look like an X.
Si Trew (
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16:58, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Ummm, I created
WP:YX, it has a mathematical bent to it.
Si Trew (
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17:24, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Index/create list, and add
Salmon burger/
fish burger,
Tuna fish sandwich, and
Fischbrötchen from the above. --
Tavix (
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21:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Index per Tavix. --
Rubbish
computer
22:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Convert to Index per Tavix --
Lenticel (
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00:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Çomment''. For
Fish burger, I've created a very much
Draft:Fish burger which we could move over and redirect. At the moment it is nowhere near article quality but I was drifting towards that instead of a set index, however, I am happy if the draft is deleted and we go with set index, just offering it up for your consideration. There is nothing to say a set index can't have a bit of waffle at the top to put it into context, so we could kinda do both.
Si Trew (
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06:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- But not
Fishfinger sandwich. "Fishfinger" is one of those words that have become fused over time, and we should have the spelling variant. I am not entirely happy with Fish burger perhaps that is better deleted.
Si Trew (
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06:19, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Index/list per the above, and yes include fish burger, fishburger, etc. Whatever fish sandwiches are notable, as common generic types, or major products. —
SMcCandlish ☺
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07:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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World of Encyclopediacraft
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BDD (
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14:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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While this topic is fine for a WP: space essay, it is not a valid article topic, even as a redirect to WP: space.
WikiDan61
ChatMe!
ReadMe!!
16:59, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete as a cross-namespace redirect.
shoy (
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19:08, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Strong delete per above. --
Rubbish
computer
22:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Strong delete per
WP:XNR as above.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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23:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete nice name but is a cross-namespace redirect --
Lenticel (
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01:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete per
WP:CNSR.—
Godsy(
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16:09, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete as all above. For if not, we should have
Encyclopaediacraft or
Encyclopediacraft, which we have not got.
Si Trew (
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17:59, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- My new redirect is at
Wikipedia:WOE. Admins, per above, you can delete my redirect. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Luis150902 (
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04:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Move without redirect to
Wikipedia:World of Wikipediacraft. It's a funny not-very-shortcut, just doesn't belong in mainspace. —
SMcCandlish ☺
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07:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was move
Public Square (disambiguation) over redirect. There's definitely consensus against the Cleveland place being primary topic, but less agreement on how to proceed. This appears to be the simplest solution, supported by most participants. --
BDD (
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14:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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A few hours ago,
Public Square was changed from a redirect to
Town square to a disambiguation page. I've fixed the links, and redirected it to what appears to be the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC,
Public Square, Cleveland. However, because of the changes of today, I feel that a discussion is appropriate. I see a few options:
- Leave the redirect to
Public Square, Cleveland as a
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. 81 of the 83 incoming links to
Public Square were meant for
Public Square, Cleveland (the other two were meant for
Town square).
- Change the redirect to
Town square.
Public square already redirects to
Town square, so this would match that redirect (there is also a hatnote on
Town square pointing to
Public Square, Cleveland).
- Delete the redirect and move
Public Square (disambiguation) to
Public Square.
- ???
My vote is to leave the redirect alone, but again, I feel that a discussion to gauge
consensus is appropriate.
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Niceguyedc
Go Huskies!
09:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- You are quite right to bring it here. It is, after all, redirects for discussion, not deletion, whatever Twinkle and other tools try to persuade you otherwise.
- Comment. A public square, a
plaza or Hungarian
piac (Market), is not specifically this place in Cleveland. It is as likely to be the
forum (DAB on which first entry is
Forum (Roman)), according to history. I don't think anyone is arguing that it geometrically must be a square but a
public place ->
public space. I don't think it should be deleted, but retargeted somehow, I offer up suggestions.
Si Trew (
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13:01, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I was never under any belief that this was redirects for deletion, and no tool is going to persuade me of anything. I cleaned up a mess created by someone else, and instead of unilaterally making a decision, which I could have done by not starting this discussion, I did start the discussion. -
Niceguyedc
Go Huskies!
08:53, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I didn't mean to suggest you were, I can see in hindsight the comment I made at the top was rather patronising. Sorry about that, but I wanted to set out my stall that I myself wanted to rule out deletion from the discussion. Sorry to patronise you, completely unintentional.
Si Trew (
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09:33, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment. Quite right to put it on the table, but I think that is ridiculous. That would be to suggest that Cleveland's public square is the only public square in the world, or at least the most prominent one (PRIMARY, as you say). Patently it is not. I can think of many more public squares more prominent than Cleveland's.
- I think best to R to the DAB, and move the DAB at
Public Square (disambiguation) over this, although I want to add to that as it does not list many public squares. I am not sure quite how far we go with what is a public square, for example
Trafalgar Square or
Times Square should be at that DAB. In the absence of
List of public squares or anything similar (i.e. places in the middle of a city for people to assemble to party or protest) then we have to make a start somehow. Clevelend does not stand out as being an exceptionally partying city or protesting city.
Victory Square is in
Nineteen Eighty-Four as a deliberately thinly disguised version of Trafalgar Square, and that's a DAB in its own right, mostly from the Soviet Union, so that gives us kinda a precedent for how we name these things.
- I can see a list or DAB coming along here, but not sure how far I should go with it. In Budapest where I live, there are lots of tiny little "square"s that are not very notable.
Si Trew (
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15:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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*Procedural close, please, I have converted this into an article (a stub) listing squares, and so is no longer a redirect.
Si Trew (
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15:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Side note: why does
Hyde Park, London not live over the dab at
Hyde Park? Looking into it.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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15:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Hmmm, Ivanvector, I think I had an (
edit conflict) with you maybe, I thought it was with BDD but I checked and wasn't, and I checked the history to make sure I hadn't trampled any other's comments. It said there was an ec but I couldn't find one in the history, so if I have trampled yours or BDDs please take that as a mistake, I did check as best I could.
- Tricky one this isn't it. I still don't think that someone searching for "Public square" will be looking for the particular place in Cleveland, I think they are more likely to be looking for "what is a public square". That being said, we are not
WP:DICDEF and I hadn't bothered to looup Wiktionary, and having now done so, it doesn't have it, so that's about as much use as a snake in an arse-kicking competition.
- Obviously my stuff is essentially
WP:OR to define what a public square is by giving examples of (to my mind) public squares. But perhaps it should just go red, then, cos I can't see that Public Square (Cleveland) is what people are likely to want to find, that is
WP:SURPRISE). I haven't looked at Hyde Park yet (deliberately not linking) and my opinion on that I shall give shortly or list it at RM if worthwhile, but we might as well discuss it here first rather than make work for each other.
Si Trew (
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15:49, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- The gotcha is in the caps. You wouldn't expect
public square to be anything other than a redirect to
town square, but
Public Square you can reasonably expect to be a named place, or a list of them if there are several. There don't seem to be several.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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17:51, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Indeed, I had noticed that. The thing is many (most?) ways of searching are case-insensitive, and there is the gotcha, so I think
WP:DIFFCAPS has kinda got weaker over the years as WP's search engine has got stronger, I feel the argument to differentiate by capital letters is far far harder to make than it was, say, six years ago. I mean I know I am a quarter of a world away from Cleveland, so perhaps I have kinda undue prejudice because it is "a long way away" (though actually I have flown from there on a little
Beechcraft across Lake Ontario to Canadaland), but I just not sure this is
WP:WORLDWIDE really.
Si Trew (
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09:24, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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- No, I cannot see for the life of me why the name of a place in one town, however big that town, should be a
WP:SURPRISE to anyone who is not from Cleveland. I do not see how it is at all the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC when we have
town square or
Forum (Roman), what is the difference in meaning.
Public square has gone to
Town square since 2004, which trumps EurekaLott's, and although
WP:DIFFCAPS I really do not see that it is that much.
Si Trew (
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22:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- This is precisely what
WP:DIFFCAPS is intended to address.
Public square points to
town square, as it should, and a correctly-hanoted
Public Square article should be about the square in Cleveland. That was what we had for the better part of a decade before it was disrupted a few months ago. -
Eureka Lott
22:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I see your point, I think, but saying "We always did it this way" is not a very convincing argument, the question is "what do we do now?". I can see an argument for keeping it to preserve history, external links and so on, but if we followed that to the exclusion of all others then we'd never change anything (we wouldn't even add text to articles, for example), so of itself I don't see that being very convincing. I agree with you the disruption was unhelpful, but the question is what do we do with it now, after that disruption has taken place?
Si Trew (
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09:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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- You're putting words in my mouth. All I said is that we had things right, and that we had them right for a long time. I cited relevant guidelines, and all you've offered is a
WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT argument. - 15:15, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hmmm, have I? I thought I had offered a selection of choices of where we might retarget it. Certainly I don't like it, but now you are putting words in my mouth. I tend to quote policy more than others because some editors like to be quoted policy, but I don't give a shit about policy but what is better for the encyclopaedia (essentially,
WP:IAR if you must). I just feel that with search engines these days the DIFFCAPS is becoming a bit irrelevant. This is very hard to justify, I admit, because the search results are case-insensitive. We must, here at RfD, kinda second-guess what people might be looking for, hits sometimes are
playing a blinder in that way that they can misinform. I really don't know, but we have to fix it somewhere, and at least sending it to the DAB confuses nobody.
Si Trew (
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20:02, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I'll go with that as an
{{
redirect to disambiguation page}}
, makes sense to me.
Si Trew (
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09:30, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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- @
Tavix: I do, whereas I cannot speak for Lenticel, but assumed this is what he meant. --
Rubbish
computer
21:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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- @
Tavix: Yup. That's what I meant. --
Lenticel (
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13:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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BDD (
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14:48, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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No plausible target, the best is
IBook#iBook_G3_.28.22Clamshell.22.29, but I suspect readers would be looking for a more general topic. -
The
ChampionMan
1234
10:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete Term is not in common use. I can find no references to anything outher than the iBook Clamshell mentioned above. I see no indication the term is used as a generic at all.
Jbh
Talk
11:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak retarget to
IBook#iBook G3 ("Clamshell") per ChampionMan,
iff that is the only notable product known by the name.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
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13:37, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Retarget per TCM1234.
Rubbish
computer
19:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Retarget, but to
Clamshell, a DAB. Redundant but harmless.
Si Trew (
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00:33, 21 September 2015 (UTC)is eating oysters
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- Keep. Per the lede: "A laptop or a notebook is a portable personal computer with a clamshell form factor, suitable for mobile use." In other words, a "clamshell laptop" is a laptop, and my research backs that up. It seems to be used in comparison to tablets ("tablet laptops") or other primitive forms. --
Tavix (
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04:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep clearly a lack of historical context for the history of laptops. There are a large number of non-clamshell laptops out there from the beginnings of laptops. Clamshell was used frequently to distinguish between the two. --
70.51.202.113 (
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05:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment'.
Clamshell notebook is red,
Clamshell tablet is red.
Clamshell is a DAB, it seems that nobody knows (or rather is not primary topic) what a
Clam is (they taste lovely) or its shell, so this has changed meaning. Checking around,
Oyster shell would be my next guess (although linneanly oysters and clams are only vaguely related), and
Oystershell is a DAB, but
Oystershell laptop and
Oyster shell laptop are red.
Shellac is blue, fortunately.
Si Trew (
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19:20, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Notebooks do not exist from that era, and tablets are so new as to not have existed a few years ago, and tablets don't open physically. Lack of historical context means trying to look for clamshell notebooks, when the era of distinguishing between clamshells and non-clamshells had already passed by then. With historical context, you wouldn't not expect the term "clamshell notebook" to show up, because all notebooks are too new to have existed in that era. --
70.51.202.113 (
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03:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Yeah, my problem is essentially this term was invented as a metaphor for a
clam shell or
oyster shell. It's probably more suited to Wiktionary, though I am the primary contributer to
{{
etymology}}
here and we could do that way if we had RS. You're saying we don't have RS, which is a bit of a challenge then for me to find some! But I agree it is kinda a word that lived and died very shortly. I agree about the tablet, I just threw that in as a juxtaposition, but I think we still have
clamshell phones, but nobody calls them that now, and that is an R to
Flip (form), so it's tricky isn't it. On a technical point, we have to be careful with
clamshell and
clam shell. You can't have it both ways, I think,
clam shell redirects to
clamshell but the idea of it being the shell of a
clam has been entirely lost in doing so.
Si Trew (
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06:52, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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BDD (
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14:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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Not particularly French. -
The
ChampionMan
1234
10:02, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak Delete since it seems that the two countries have some shared history (see
France–Thailand relations). I was thinking we could redirect this to
Names of Thailand but we don't have that article yet. --
Lenticel (
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10:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete per
WP:FORRED as a redirect from an unrelated foreign language.
Rubbish
computer
19:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete. It's not (modern) French, that's just wrong. Even if it were, it should be rcatted as
{{
R from other language}}
.
Si Trew (
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00:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep - directs readers to the content they're looking for, no rationale has been suggested for deletion. (Nevermind the suggest it's unrelated to French is a
remarkably short view of history. I wasn't aware the world was only a hundred years old.
Wily
D
12:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep - There's a tangled history between France and Thailand that makes this a plausible search term, even here on an English Wikipedia, as stated above.
CoffeeWithMarkets (
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09:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Delete. It is not that it is "not particularly French", it is that it is not French. The
Academie Francaise has abolished the double dotted I, but we still use it here, it seems (and over at FR:WP). It is tagged already as {{
R from other language|fr}}
,
Thailande is tagged already as {{
R from other punctuation}}
, but not R from other language, that is a bit of a piggy in the middle.
Si Trew (
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17:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- We have it in English on the word
naive but even then that is rather outdated. Niaf, Niave in French do not have the double dot any more. We don't have
born yesterday, but we are
WP:NOTDIC.
Si Trew (
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07:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- You're right and I amn wrong, I checked those also. If we were to have thousands of them, we would have to think again, but apart from
naïve ->
Naivety) and a few proper nouns, this does no harm at all, so keep, does no harm. It is not as if suddenly we are going to get
ïreland or
ïndonesia and nonsense like that~as some kind of
Heavy metal typography.
Si Trew (
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07:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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Der
yck C.
23:58, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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As someone noted on the talk page, this Discworld location is actually called the Rat Chamber. "Rat room" makes me think of
Room 101, and maybe
The Rathskeller.
"rat room" -wikipedia is largely unhelpful, not returning any of these uses. Pages about rooms for pet rats are included. There's a song called "Rat Room" (not "The") on
Sex (Tila Tequila EP). Deletion would be my first choice, with retargeting to the EP a distant second. --
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14:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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BDD (
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14:45, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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Seems misguided. Not his only role. WP:Redlink
Beerest 2
Talk page
14:36, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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Thryduulf (
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10:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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Orphaned, an old line now extended. The template has been moved to its proper location, and all uses have been retargetted.
עוד מישהו
Od Mishehu
07:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Nicely done but
WP:RFD is not the place to take it, I guess it said you should come here first. I've taken both via
WP:G7 author requests deletion.altooiugh
WP:G6 housekeeping would serve as well. Marked and so forth. Cross your fingers and this should be procedural close in a day or so. Thanks for the hard work at the targets, it looks great.
Si Trew (
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08:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- On the junction to Rahsan Lod we usually put a right arrow on it, but the RDT are trickyt things cos originally in German, it makese sense in German, I will have a go but please feel free to revert.
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08:28, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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Fish sandwich.
"Welcome to Fish Burger, home of the Fish Burger, can I take your order?" --
BDD (
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14:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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I'm really not sure on this so I offer it for discussion. My first thought was it should go to McDonalds'
Filet-O-Fish (I think that is how it is spelled but your menu may vary).
Si Trew (
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04:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I actually got it right first time, kinda astonished with that. I meant to say, also, please see the discussion on
#Hamburger bun below;
fishburger is red. I didn!t think to check chicken &c so I will do s as part of the discussion below.
Si Trew (
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04:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Only on the Jewish Sabbath, at least originally, according to Bryson, was invented by a franchisee for his Jewish customers. Haven't looked at the article, on purpose (kinda keeps my mind concentrated on the redirects not the content).
Si Trew (
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18:38, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I slightly changed vote due to alternate topics of
Fishcake and
Salmon burger being presented below. However, if a good alternate target cannot be determined through the course of the conversation below, then delete per
WP:XY since I do not feel that a disambiguation page would be appropriate per what has been presented thus far.
Steel1943 (
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19:21, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I think you must have a different understanding of what a fishcake is. In British English, it is a kinda compacted and usually battered or breaded ready-made food, essentially a
fish finger. I guess from what you are saying, you are implying that it is a block of white fish that can be used as an ingredient?
Si Trew (
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18:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Read the
salmon burger article, and your question shall be answered. --
Tavix (
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18:48, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- (
edit conflict) with Steely. Oh, come off it Tavix. Perhaps the can of worms I opened attracted the fish. I am reluctant to read the targets for the reason that what is someone likely to search for, not that one has special knowledge when one gets there. We don't have
Perch burger or
Pike burger or
Bream burger for example. That is just even more leading us down the garden path.
Si Trew (
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19:33, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Well I am not sure about that. a burger is essentially
Mince (food) (but not
minced food) and the DAB at
Mince is very US'-centric by the way, nobody but the Americans call minced beef
ground beef, and mince is not specifically about beef but anything you whack through a
mincer. To mince, aslo in Br. Eng. means to be a camp gay, but we haven't that listed. Anyway, we are
WP:NOTRECIPE. I think to enumerate every possible type of cheap fish bread products would be unproductive for us, even if profitable for
Findus.
Si Trew (
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19:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- (
edit conflict) I was thinking of invoking
WP:NOTRECIPE as well, but then I found
List of hamburgers. It's not a list of recipes, but rather, a list of recipe examples. But, for a list of "fish burgers", since
fish as food isn't exclusive to one species of fish, such an article could be less of a recipe list than even
List of hamburgers.
Steel1943 (
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19:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- @
Steel1943:, not necessarily, especially because I don't see how you would have enough information for different articles on all the different types of fish burgers. The salmon burger really isn't all that different from others, from what I can tell, so preventing overlap would be hard. (I wish I had enough time to create a draft.) --
Tavix (
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19:59, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I do have time on my hands and will happily create a draft for y'alls consideration, but I am not sure what it should be a draft for, an article about fish burgers or a DAB? I would DAB it, but I can probably make a stub about
Clarence Birdseye and so forth, and
Frosted food, and the
Cod War (Britain vs. Iceland, we won) and whatever. I am just not sure what direction I should take that article even as draft.
Si Trew (
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05:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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-
- Hmm, that's true... what is a fish sandwich. In
Penny Lane (song) there is the line "a four of fish-and finger pies" but I think it must have been one of John Lennon's bad days crowbarred in to fit the rhyme cos nobody calls them fish-and-finger pies (with or without the hyphens) do they?
Si Trew (
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05:22, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- REtarget to
fish sandwich which has been nominated further up in RfD and seems to be trending towards becoming an SIA, so a perfect target for fish burger. Oppose "Filet-O-Fish" since
WP:ADVERT we should not advertise MCDonalds here. Oppose replacing with "salmon burger" since many fish burgers do not use salmon nor have a salmon taste. If "fish sandwich" does not become a set index, then this should become one instead. because not all fishburgers use fishcake patties, some
[1] use grilled fish --
70.51.202.113 (
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03:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Çomment. I've started to make a draft over at
Draft:Fish burger, very skeletal at present. To my intense satisfaction,
fishburger.com is not registered, and I might buy it and put something silly on its home page.
Si Trew (
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05:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Is it only me that uses
crowbar as a verb to me to try to get something in where it doesn't fit, or more accurately to extract it therefrom? I s that just me?
Si Trew (
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14:04, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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-
this is quite a good image of what I imagine a fishburger looks like. """" — Preceding
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BDD (
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14:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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To transclude this template, {{Template:Subst:ncd}} must be used, as otherwise
Template:Ncd would be substituted.
GeoffreyT2000 (
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01:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Wow, this is a good one. I would almost say that creation of pages with "subst:"
anywhere in at the beginning of (Change to wording.
Steel1943 (
talk) 17:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)) a page's title should be added to the
title creation blacklist due to causing technical issues since "subst:" is used in template functions. (Yes, I am aware that the capital "S" prevents this template from being substituted, but the first letter of a page in any namespace is always capitalized by default, even when the link starts with a lowercase letter.) So, with this being said, I think this should be deleted, but with the alternative of weak retarget to
Template:Now commons dated since
Template:Ncd redirects there. Either way, I strongly suggest my addition to the title creation blacklist as suggested above (thus, I really do support deletion over retargeting.)
Steel1943 (
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01:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete it with prejudice. Anyone dabbling in template namespace should know what they're on about, and it is not as if it went to
Template:subst:ncd as an
{{R from other capitalization}}
. {{:Template:Subst} aksi redirects the same way as does
Template:subst. I don't see the need for the :ncd but I can see the harm that it causes for editors finding four redirects to the same template, the harm is
WP:ASTONISHment.
Si Trew (
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06:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete I don't know what Si Trew is on about with multiple redirects and astonishment here, but I cannot see any reason for having a template with a name starting "subst:" (of any capitalisation) per Steel1943.
Thryduulf (
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10:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- I can understand you don't understand, because I just whacked it in the search engine and got surprising results, which I tried to report, obviously badly. I agree starting it with subst: is just asking for trouble, though. Should we add
Template:subst:ncd to this nomination?
Si Trew (
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05:32, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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BDD (
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14:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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"Just One Day" is also a book by
Gayle Forman and this redirect may confuse people. It is also stated that this is a song title, to artist's page which is invalid. —
Skyllfully (
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01:13, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- By the way,,
School love affair and caps variants (
School Love Affair) are all red, unless I missed one.
Skool luv affair is red,
Skool luv is red,
Skool Luv is red,
School love is red, but
Down with Skool (a book by
Nigel Molesworth) is blue.
Si Trew (
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05:01, 29 September 2015 (UTC)The homework boy
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