This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 2, 2013.
List of Liv and Maddie (TV series) episodes
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Article contents before redirect were
unattributed copies of a section of
Liv and Maddie. Another article
List of Liv and Maddie episodes was created earlier, is the proper name for this topic, was also an unattributed copy of the same source and is now currently tagged {{
R with possibilities}} and {{
R to section}} to the copied source material. The redirect with the disambiguation has no inbound links, is not needed and is not a likely search destination. Bot keeps bypassing the R with possibilities target as well.
Geraldo Perez (
talk)
16:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Liv and Maddie for now notwithstanding
WP:RWP since there is no benefit with the double redirect. This was previously an article which the nominator redirected as was
List of Liv and Maddie episodes and there seems to be some sort of edit dispute over how the information is best organised. RFD is not a good forum for resolving such disagreements, particularly when there is a significant history. The best action in my view would be to Restore article and take to AFD where the implications can be thrashed out and the best structure determined. However, since we are here, we may as well target at the prime target.
The Whispering Wind (
talk)
14:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The edit issue at
List of Liv and Maddie episodes is whether or not a split should occur now – it is inevitable that it will at some time thus the R with possibilities on the proper title. This issue here is if this particular redirect should exist. The significant history is all unattributed copies of a section of the main article so there is no reason to retain a history of plagiarism, the original editors have the required attributions in the source article. This redirect is not appropriate for AFD and the delete discussion belongs here.
Geraldo Perez (
talk)
16:13, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
Government shutdown
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
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The result of the discussion was Speedily closed as this is now a disambiguation page rather than a redirect, and there seems to be unanimous agreement with this solution. Sandstein 09:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep as (now) a disambiguation page. This is a likely search term, and there are several articles that match the title - the right thing to do is list them all. Re your question, I've never heard of a government shutdown before this one, and
according to the evidence it seems to be a US thing only - other countries automatically extend the previous year's budget when there's a disagreement (either that, or the government is dismantled), instead of tying the whole governments functioning to it. Also, merge
United States federal government shutdown here.
Diego (
talk)
14:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Note: as this is a hot topic, I've boldly put a disambiguation-set index page in place in order to provide useful content for readers during the discussion.
Diego (
talk)
14:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
And I hardly think a single shutdown in Minnesota or New Jersey justifies redirecting a clear primary topic to a disambiguation page. Disambiguation can be sorted in a hatnote just as neatly. Keep as redirect. --
SchutteGod (
talk)
15:04, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Because, being a recent and notorious event, people may be interested in learning details about it, instead of (or in addition to) the general concept? Note that I didn't say that the current incident should be primary; rather, that both the incident and the general concept are equaly likely, thus making neither of them primary, thus requiring disambiguation.
Diego (
talk)
16:29, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
You can always hatnote links to current events (i.e., at the top of Government shutdowns in the US: For the recent federal government shutdown, see [ARTICLE NAME]), except I would note that the current shutdown is not going to be in the news forever...in a few weeks it won't matter. --
SchutteGod76.171.231.104 (
talk)
20:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep as disambiguation page. This seems the best solution, listing various government shutdowns which the reader might be looking for. Anyone who wants to develop it into an article is free to do so, but it would be hard to avoid duplicating the content at
Government shutdown in the United States, so it's probably best left as a simple disambiguation page.
Robofish (
talk)
01:15, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Can I ask what is "useful" or "pragmatic" about keeping a superfluous disambiguation page where all the items listed already fall under the umbrella article
Government shutdown in the United States? Same question for Robofish. If an article about "Government shutdown" would probably just end up duplicating "Government shutdown in the United States", why do we need a disambiguation page for it? If the term is not ambiguous then it very well doesn't need disambiguation, does it? --
SchutteGod (
talk)
16:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
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Mongolism
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Disambiguate - outdated and offensive but used in many older medical papers and other reliable sources. It is an entirely plausible search term. Redirects are value-free and are there solely to help the reader find the information they are seeking.
The Whispering Wind (
talk)
20:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep as disambiguation page. I'm the one who added the current hatnote to
Down syndrome, but I hadn't thought about other possible uses; since there are more than two, and no overwhelmingly clear primary use, a disambiguation page is the best solution.
Robofish (
talk)
01:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 2, 2013.
List of Liv and Maddie (TV series) episodes
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Article contents before redirect were
unattributed copies of a section of
Liv and Maddie. Another article
List of Liv and Maddie episodes was created earlier, is the proper name for this topic, was also an unattributed copy of the same source and is now currently tagged {{
R with possibilities}} and {{
R to section}} to the copied source material. The redirect with the disambiguation has no inbound links, is not needed and is not a likely search destination. Bot keeps bypassing the R with possibilities target as well.
Geraldo Perez (
talk)
16:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
Liv and Maddie for now notwithstanding
WP:RWP since there is no benefit with the double redirect. This was previously an article which the nominator redirected as was
List of Liv and Maddie episodes and there seems to be some sort of edit dispute over how the information is best organised. RFD is not a good forum for resolving such disagreements, particularly when there is a significant history. The best action in my view would be to Restore article and take to AFD where the implications can be thrashed out and the best structure determined. However, since we are here, we may as well target at the prime target.
The Whispering Wind (
talk)
14:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The edit issue at
List of Liv and Maddie episodes is whether or not a split should occur now – it is inevitable that it will at some time thus the R with possibilities on the proper title. This issue here is if this particular redirect should exist. The significant history is all unattributed copies of a section of the main article so there is no reason to retain a history of plagiarism, the original editors have the required attributions in the source article. This redirect is not appropriate for AFD and the delete discussion belongs here.
Geraldo Perez (
talk)
16:13, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
Government shutdown
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Speedily closed as this is now a disambiguation page rather than a redirect, and there seems to be unanimous agreement with this solution. Sandstein 09:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep as (now) a disambiguation page. This is a likely search term, and there are several articles that match the title - the right thing to do is list them all. Re your question, I've never heard of a government shutdown before this one, and
according to the evidence it seems to be a US thing only - other countries automatically extend the previous year's budget when there's a disagreement (either that, or the government is dismantled), instead of tying the whole governments functioning to it. Also, merge
United States federal government shutdown here.
Diego (
talk)
14:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Note: as this is a hot topic, I've boldly put a disambiguation-set index page in place in order to provide useful content for readers during the discussion.
Diego (
talk)
14:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
And I hardly think a single shutdown in Minnesota or New Jersey justifies redirecting a clear primary topic to a disambiguation page. Disambiguation can be sorted in a hatnote just as neatly. Keep as redirect. --
SchutteGod (
talk)
15:04, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Because, being a recent and notorious event, people may be interested in learning details about it, instead of (or in addition to) the general concept? Note that I didn't say that the current incident should be primary; rather, that both the incident and the general concept are equaly likely, thus making neither of them primary, thus requiring disambiguation.
Diego (
talk)
16:29, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
You can always hatnote links to current events (i.e., at the top of Government shutdowns in the US: For the recent federal government shutdown, see [ARTICLE NAME]), except I would note that the current shutdown is not going to be in the news forever...in a few weeks it won't matter. --
SchutteGod76.171.231.104 (
talk)
20:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep as disambiguation page. This seems the best solution, listing various government shutdowns which the reader might be looking for. Anyone who wants to develop it into an article is free to do so, but it would be hard to avoid duplicating the content at
Government shutdown in the United States, so it's probably best left as a simple disambiguation page.
Robofish (
talk)
01:15, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Can I ask what is "useful" or "pragmatic" about keeping a superfluous disambiguation page where all the items listed already fall under the umbrella article
Government shutdown in the United States? Same question for Robofish. If an article about "Government shutdown" would probably just end up duplicating "Government shutdown in the United States", why do we need a disambiguation page for it? If the term is not ambiguous then it very well doesn't need disambiguation, does it? --
SchutteGod (
talk)
16:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
Mongolism
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Disambiguate - outdated and offensive but used in many older medical papers and other reliable sources. It is an entirely plausible search term. Redirects are value-free and are there solely to help the reader find the information they are seeking.
The Whispering Wind (
talk)
20:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep as disambiguation page. I'm the one who added the current hatnote to
Down syndrome, but I hadn't thought about other possible uses; since there are more than two, and no overwhelmingly clear primary use, a disambiguation page is the best solution.
Robofish (
talk)
01:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.