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Sounds reasonable. Not to mention the two already on the Main Page have the same wording. Now, we can already say Parvanov is the winner according to exit poll data:
Of course, we can include exit poll or preliminary data in the table, but I was waiting for the 100% official and exact results to fill it up, as the closest we have at the moment are as of 73.17% of records processed. If we really need to have the table filled up, I'd add the data from
Izbori2006.org, but I'm not sure this would be of use, as it's only temporary. Todor→Bozhinov21:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)reply
* I'm tired of
Image:Afghan National Army emblem.png, on ITN for two straight days already. If no one wants the Flag of Nicaragua up there, can we have this baseball pic instead (Better if {{M-cropped}}), with the following text added to the World Series line, please ?
President Bush has declared space to be essential to US defence in a new National Space Policy. Not only has the United States declared that it has rights in space, but, if necessary, it will deny its adversaries access to space. This is a dramatic change in US attitude to space from being primarily are research area, it is now becomeing part of the defence program. This is a matter of World importance, is it not?
This, relatively unreported, change in US policy is a turning point, an historic moment, when the US laid claim to sovereignty over space and announced its intention to defend its space assets from possible threats from other countries and to to deny access to space by its adversaries. Certainly a moment to be recorded in an Enclycolpedia! See Wikinews Main Page today 19 October
[1].
Fenton Robb15:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)reply
You mean
n:US declares vital interest in space? Where in this encyclopedia has this been recorded? What Wikipedia article got updated with this news? Please do that (or, start new articles as needed) and then return here to make suggestions for ITN in the form of a news headline with a bolded link to the best updated article. See ITN guidelines (
here) for more details on the selection criteria and procedures. Act fast. Old news won't get picked. --
64.229.7.22415:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Nothing to post yet. Please draft a headline with wikilinks to updated Wikipedia articles next time. This is too old for ITN now. Thanks. --
PFHLai16:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 enters into effect in the United States after being enacted by the U.S. Congress in September.
I know there's a percieved glut of U.S. stories recently, at least from the comments below. Also the article is still in flux. But I figure this is an important world news story from a "global prospects for civil liberties" perspective.
Johndodd18:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Already posted (not by me) and displaced. This may return when we (finally) have someone chosen. Please remind us again then. Thanks. --
PFHLai16:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I endorse adding this once the whaling has resumed, but in another wording. The words "in contravention of" are too close to a moral judgment. I also would suggest renaming the article, because the whaling afaik doesn't take place in Iceland's territorial waters, but in the open sea.
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.11:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)reply
On second thoughts, the number of injured now exceeds 100. So it's not that minor. But AFD is still on, and the article is kind of brief. --
64.229.228.3213:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)reply
That's why I said "for this Sunday", not "for today". What's wrong with discussing something that will certainly happen before it happens, so that we're prepared when it happens?
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.15:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)reply
"will certainly happen"? That's where
WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball comes in. Try again on Sunday - after the race, and AFTER relevant articles have been updated. Or newer suggestions from the rest of this week would bury your good suggestion to the middle of this long page. Admins may not scroll that far down to check. --
64.229.4.24816:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)reply
You're saying it won't certainly happen? Either one of these two will win the title this Sunday, just like one of the two teams in the final will win the Super Bowl, or the Stanley Cup. That has nothing to do with crystalballism, that's simply the result of an ongoing championship. WP:NOT has nothing to do with it, it's about articles saying things like "In 2048, Macedonia might enter the EU." WP:NOT doesn't even apply to suggestions to do something after the inevitable has happened.
Now suppose I propose it after the race. That'll be Sunday afternoon American time, Sunday evening European time, Monday morning Australian time. Then it still needs to go through this filter. I don't know about you, but I prefer my news up-to-date and as quickly as possible. Admins may indeed not check that far down. But don't you think that someone other than the two of us will respond to this proposal in the meantime? Don't you think they will remember this discussion next Sunday, when the winner is all over the news? Come on. Updating the relevant articles can be done in two seconds, which means that the ITN can be updated within a minute after the finish. I suggest you sit down and watch how others react to this proposal, instead of shouting at random.
I just found out that you, Aecis, are an admin. So, you will remember this. Good. Please add this item when the time comes.
Aecis, may be it's my personality, may be it's my losses in sports betting over the years, I can only say nothing is certain till it's done. And I really think it's too early to draft that line for ITN. We don't know what will happen on Sunday and which relevant wikipages will get the best updates. Suggestions with wikipages not adequately updated have been "summarily dismissed" (see the archives above) and such items, if somehow put on the Main Page by admins who don't check carefully, gets pulled off ITN till the article gets updated (see page history of ITN). Adding just a sentence seems inadequate. I urge you not to post anything on ITN "2 seconds" after things happened. ITN is not our news-ticker service.
BTW, I am glad another admin is here. This candidates' page needs more admin attention. Twice this past month I had to go to
Talk:Main Page to get help. (See
Talk:Main Page/Archive 81.) But I have to say that you, Aecis, operate quite differently from other admins who used to patrol this space, such as Pharos, BanyanTree, zoney, nixie (all missing in action these days), Globez, PFHLai (occasionally here). No one plans days ahead like that, and none of them has ever accused me of "shouting at random". (I did that?) Thanks for the invit to get an account. I'll pass. I'm mostly a reader here. An account is not necessary. Thank you. --
64.229.228.3214:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)reply
True, the championship will only have finished once the chequered flag is out. When the flag drops, the bullshit stops. But the chance that either one of these two will win the championship is 99.99999...99%, and the chances of anyone else winning the championship are so minute, that I think it's worth taking the risk and discussing now whether or not to put this on ITN next Sunday. ITN is indeed not a news-ticker service, but it isn't called In The News for nothing. Perhaps I plan days ahead, but that's probably because I'm a journalist myself. If I go to a press conference, I need to know well in advance who to talk to, what to ask, what will be said and what has been said in the past.
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.11:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Okay. I'd suggest mentioning the latest race first, and avoid the word 'by' there -- the championship is really a whole season's work. If Schu is really retiring, mention that, too. --
64.229.177.24406:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Okay, in view of all the prior comments, I suggest something to the extent:
If Alonso wins: "Fernando Alonso of Spain successfully defends his Formula One title."
If Schumacher wins: "Michael Schumacher ends his 15 year career in Formula One by winning the 2006 World Championship, his eighth title."
I say we should wait a bit on this one, unless people have died (the article mentions only "unconfirmed injuries") or very extensive damage occurs, a earthquake is hardly that notable.
Mikker(...)21:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I say we add this one. A 6.6-magnitude earthquake is notable, there's reportedly a 95% power blackout on Hawaii, it's a current event and it has its own article.
AecisI'm too
busy acting like I'm not
naive.00:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I'm doubting that it should even have its own article. Unless there is signnificant damage, deaths, injuries etc, i dont see how its signifcant. Earthquakes happen all the time.
Rafy04:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)reply
"Magglio Ordóñez's two-out three RBI home run in the bottom of the ninth inning sends the Detroit Tigers to their first World Series since 1984. Detroit wins the best-of-seven series over Oakland with their 6-3 win, 4-0." Perhaps something similar?
Jasonn00:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
For future cases (e.g. the end of the World Series), please keep in mind that not everyone is into baseball, so it's best to avoid jargon as much as possible. I had to read "two-out three RBI home run" six times before I got a vague idea what it was about, and I'm still not sure.
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)reply
WHY?? This information makes no difference to non-south africans or non-rugby fans...99.9999% of the world's population. i see no reason why it should be a headline
TommyStardust18:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)reply
0.0001% of the world's population would be only 6,500 people. I gather more than that care about the outcome of the Currie Cup. --
Golbez18:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Tommy, I personally cannot identify with the majority of news/FAs/DYKs on the main page, but that does not mean they should not be there. The Currie Cup is one of the oldest domestic rugby comps in the world. If you don't know about it, well, now you do.
Cvene6418:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)reply
While somewhat controversial, there is a clear history for including domestic championships in the in the news section for example see
[2] and
[3]. In this case, the Currie Cup result is more noteable then most because it is the first ever draw time it entered extra time as the entry states (although there have been draws before, before extra time was added).
Nil Einne12:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The Currie Cup is basically up there because of the first use of extra time in its 127 year history. The World Series and NBA are obviously bigger.--
HamedogTalk|@13:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I for one very much doubt there are more people who follow the World Series or NBA than rugby... (The competition is followed worldwide, not just in SA. USA + Canada vs. the old British Empire basically). In any case, this year's finals was by far the best Currie Cup game I have ever seen & the strange result makes it especially notable.
Mikker(...)19:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Does anyone have a PD pic of the actual Currie Cup ? I think this would be good for ITN -- before it's too late... --
PFHLai21:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Please note that this result is extremely recent (last half hour). Google News has
these links to coverage of this event (the biggest current event in the chess world), but see also
here. There is also what I believe is a free picture of Kramnik in his article, namely
Image:Vladimir_Kramnik_2005.jpg, which could be used to illustrate this.
Carcharoth15:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The Nobel Peace Prize will be announced later on Friday;
this BBC article lists potential winners if people want to start polishing their articles.--
Peta05:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
No. This is not a breaking news page, nor is it a "notable person made notable statement" page. It's for notable encyclopedic updates, and this does not qualify. --
Golbez04:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I presume you're having a laff, given that (for example) at the time the Booker item was added to the template, the author's article looked like
this and the book's article (now emboldened as supposedly the updated article) did not even exist. (This is only the first one I checked- I'm quite certain I can find others in a similar vein if you would like). Either enforce the guidelines consistently or not at all.
Badgerpatrol04:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Seeing how I did not put up the Desai entry, I'm not sure how this pertains to me. Though we usually have exceptions to the 'one line' rule for things like election results and awards. I dislike your tone. --
Golbez05:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
And I yours. If there are exceptions, these should be clearly articulated on the appropriate page. Since there seems to be such wild inconsistency between admins, perhaps a note on ANI (or something like it) might be in order so as to effect some kind of standardisation and put an end to confusion?
Badgerpatrol05:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
After you. We all have differing notions on what should go on ITN. I'm stating mine. I've made it a personal rule never to revert an entry someone else adds to ITN, unless of course it breaks the central rule of having an updated article. I'm reasonably sure I've kept up with this. --
Golbez05:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Follow the link, or visit the BBC. This is a massive and hugely shocking news story, coming as it does from an extremely prominent member of the British establishment- the operational head of the British Army. If you think it is is just a "soundbite", then quite frankly I question your judgement to select ITN material. Unlike many ITN items, it has obvious international scope. And it is no worse off in terms of an updated article than numerous other ITN items, including those on the Nobel and Booker prize (and arguably that on Google/youtube) that are up there now.
Badgerpatrol06:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
OK, as I suspected, you have missed the point. I humbly suggest you inform yourself as to the basics of global political affairs before making pithy statements of that kind. First, there is as much of a Wikipedia story as there has been for many, many other ITN items, including some that are up there right now. Second, this is not just anyone. I wonder what the reaction would be if the US
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (a similarly important, although not direcly analagous, position) suggested coalition troops were part of the Iraq problem and should be withdrawn as soon as possible? I strongly suspect there would be uproar and the story would imeddiately make it on to the main page.
Badgerpatrol14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
There's no information on the plane, no information on casualties, no information on damage - we need more than a title. --
Golbez19:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It's a breaking news story. It's kind of hard to get that information on to the page when it really isn't known yet, except on the ground. That having been said, the page is getting more information on it, including an infobox with updated reports as it comes through the wires. --
myselfalso20:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)reply
There are death inclusion requirements? If a note on the Austrian election gets on then a promenent sportsman dying so young should do
Cokehabit12:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It meets (b): "(b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically". Does "field of expertise" include sportsmen? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Cokehabit (
talk •
contribs) .
Amazing how a British sportsperson playing a bizarre British sport dies, and nothing happens. Yet an American sportsperson playing a bizarre American sport dies, and, whaddyanknow, top article.
Andymarczak06:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Though I'm not an admin, I certainly agree that this is a worthy candidate for the section. The death satisfies rule 5b, since she was a leader in her field and the death was tragic. In addition, it is internationally notable and even affects international politics. I hope an admin sees this quickly and puts it up.
Syckls16:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Okay, I have added it to
Portal:Astronomy/Events. I found the corresponding WikiNews article, and I have added a headline for the article. It seems a bit long, so if you can shorten it a bit, that would be appreciated. --
Nishkid6421:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It doesn't seem right to show Smoot's pic but not the pic of Mathers (or other Nobel laureates). Perhaps it's better to show
Levy Mwanawasa's pic, instead. We can't keep showing white people and leave out black people, and we can't keep showing Americans and leave out people from other countries, as per
WP:CSB. --
64.229.229.24412:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Then again, the Platte High School shooting was removed from the Main Page a few days ago because it's not of international notability. I'll wait a while before deciding on putting this up. --
Nishkid6419:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I think that this is of international notability; it has been extremely publicized given the fact that it is extremely rare for a shooting to occur in a one room Amish schoolhouse. It is also the THIRD deadly school shooting in the United States within the past week. -
68.32.34.15221:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
This is also prominently featured on the international version of the BBC's website
[7]. It is of international notability, so it should most definitely be added. -
68.32.34.15221:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I've been against the recent school shootings and the spinach stuff being on ITN, but I think this is unique enough to go up. --
Golbez21:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The only reason why I wanted to wait was because of the problem with initial reports of school shootings. A few weeks ago, initial reports for the Dawson College shooting speculated up to like 10 people dead, but that number was in fact false. The same happened here. Anyhow, I have now added it to the main page, as it has captured international headlines. --
Nishkid6400:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Expanded, with results for the Presidency and State Parliament. The results are 98% complete, and might change, but not enough to change the elected members of the Presidency. --
85.94.131.1009:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I am not sure that an announcement of a runoff/second round election is worthy and internationally that important enough to put on ITN. I would prefer to just put definite final results of elections.
Zzyzx11(Talk)15:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
FIDE_World_Chess_Championship_2006 is currently being held. Whether or not this event would be noteworthy by itself (this is more than a usual chess World Championship match, being an attempt to unify two existing chess championship lines), it most likely is now, given the controversy around the toilet usage which may lead to the match being cancelled.
IgorSF04:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Don't think it's really that notable as of yet. However, I think the whole bathroom overusage incident would make for a great DYK for the main page once the championship is complete. --
Nishkid6418:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Should be something noteworthy to add to the mainpage. However, "month-long" could be disputed. If you say the end was the ceasefire, then it would be a month, but technically it was a 2-month conflict. --
Nishkid6418:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
"Israel completes its withdrawal of military forces, in accordance with the August 14th ceasefire, from Lebanon following a month-long conflict with Hezbollah." Is that okay? I do consider the ceasefire the end of it, but as it could cause controversy, it could be left out.
Abel19:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I don't know how many people really care, but nevertheless, it is a political event! In this case, the election has been held! -
newkait-
c18:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
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Sounds reasonable. Not to mention the two already on the Main Page have the same wording. Now, we can already say Parvanov is the winner according to exit poll data:
Of course, we can include exit poll or preliminary data in the table, but I was waiting for the 100% official and exact results to fill it up, as the closest we have at the moment are as of 73.17% of records processed. If we really need to have the table filled up, I'd add the data from
Izbori2006.org, but I'm not sure this would be of use, as it's only temporary. Todor→Bozhinov21:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)reply
* I'm tired of
Image:Afghan National Army emblem.png, on ITN for two straight days already. If no one wants the Flag of Nicaragua up there, can we have this baseball pic instead (Better if {{M-cropped}}), with the following text added to the World Series line, please ?
President Bush has declared space to be essential to US defence in a new National Space Policy. Not only has the United States declared that it has rights in space, but, if necessary, it will deny its adversaries access to space. This is a dramatic change in US attitude to space from being primarily are research area, it is now becomeing part of the defence program. This is a matter of World importance, is it not?
This, relatively unreported, change in US policy is a turning point, an historic moment, when the US laid claim to sovereignty over space and announced its intention to defend its space assets from possible threats from other countries and to to deny access to space by its adversaries. Certainly a moment to be recorded in an Enclycolpedia! See Wikinews Main Page today 19 October
[1].
Fenton Robb15:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)reply
You mean
n:US declares vital interest in space? Where in this encyclopedia has this been recorded? What Wikipedia article got updated with this news? Please do that (or, start new articles as needed) and then return here to make suggestions for ITN in the form of a news headline with a bolded link to the best updated article. See ITN guidelines (
here) for more details on the selection criteria and procedures. Act fast. Old news won't get picked. --
64.229.7.22415:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Nothing to post yet. Please draft a headline with wikilinks to updated Wikipedia articles next time. This is too old for ITN now. Thanks. --
PFHLai16:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The Military Commissions Act of 2006 enters into effect in the United States after being enacted by the U.S. Congress in September.
I know there's a percieved glut of U.S. stories recently, at least from the comments below. Also the article is still in flux. But I figure this is an important world news story from a "global prospects for civil liberties" perspective.
Johndodd18:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Already posted (not by me) and displaced. This may return when we (finally) have someone chosen. Please remind us again then. Thanks. --
PFHLai16:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I endorse adding this once the whaling has resumed, but in another wording. The words "in contravention of" are too close to a moral judgment. I also would suggest renaming the article, because the whaling afaik doesn't take place in Iceland's territorial waters, but in the open sea.
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.11:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)reply
On second thoughts, the number of injured now exceeds 100. So it's not that minor. But AFD is still on, and the article is kind of brief. --
64.229.228.3213:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)reply
That's why I said "for this Sunday", not "for today". What's wrong with discussing something that will certainly happen before it happens, so that we're prepared when it happens?
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.15:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)reply
"will certainly happen"? That's where
WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball comes in. Try again on Sunday - after the race, and AFTER relevant articles have been updated. Or newer suggestions from the rest of this week would bury your good suggestion to the middle of this long page. Admins may not scroll that far down to check. --
64.229.4.24816:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)reply
You're saying it won't certainly happen? Either one of these two will win the title this Sunday, just like one of the two teams in the final will win the Super Bowl, or the Stanley Cup. That has nothing to do with crystalballism, that's simply the result of an ongoing championship. WP:NOT has nothing to do with it, it's about articles saying things like "In 2048, Macedonia might enter the EU." WP:NOT doesn't even apply to suggestions to do something after the inevitable has happened.
Now suppose I propose it after the race. That'll be Sunday afternoon American time, Sunday evening European time, Monday morning Australian time. Then it still needs to go through this filter. I don't know about you, but I prefer my news up-to-date and as quickly as possible. Admins may indeed not check that far down. But don't you think that someone other than the two of us will respond to this proposal in the meantime? Don't you think they will remember this discussion next Sunday, when the winner is all over the news? Come on. Updating the relevant articles can be done in two seconds, which means that the ITN can be updated within a minute after the finish. I suggest you sit down and watch how others react to this proposal, instead of shouting at random.
I just found out that you, Aecis, are an admin. So, you will remember this. Good. Please add this item when the time comes.
Aecis, may be it's my personality, may be it's my losses in sports betting over the years, I can only say nothing is certain till it's done. And I really think it's too early to draft that line for ITN. We don't know what will happen on Sunday and which relevant wikipages will get the best updates. Suggestions with wikipages not adequately updated have been "summarily dismissed" (see the archives above) and such items, if somehow put on the Main Page by admins who don't check carefully, gets pulled off ITN till the article gets updated (see page history of ITN). Adding just a sentence seems inadequate. I urge you not to post anything on ITN "2 seconds" after things happened. ITN is not our news-ticker service.
BTW, I am glad another admin is here. This candidates' page needs more admin attention. Twice this past month I had to go to
Talk:Main Page to get help. (See
Talk:Main Page/Archive 81.) But I have to say that you, Aecis, operate quite differently from other admins who used to patrol this space, such as Pharos, BanyanTree, zoney, nixie (all missing in action these days), Globez, PFHLai (occasionally here). No one plans days ahead like that, and none of them has ever accused me of "shouting at random". (I did that?) Thanks for the invit to get an account. I'll pass. I'm mostly a reader here. An account is not necessary. Thank you. --
64.229.228.3214:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)reply
True, the championship will only have finished once the chequered flag is out. When the flag drops, the bullshit stops. But the chance that either one of these two will win the championship is 99.99999...99%, and the chances of anyone else winning the championship are so minute, that I think it's worth taking the risk and discussing now whether or not to put this on ITN next Sunday. ITN is indeed not a news-ticker service, but it isn't called In The News for nothing. Perhaps I plan days ahead, but that's probably because I'm a journalist myself. If I go to a press conference, I need to know well in advance who to talk to, what to ask, what will be said and what has been said in the past.
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.11:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Okay. I'd suggest mentioning the latest race first, and avoid the word 'by' there -- the championship is really a whole season's work. If Schu is really retiring, mention that, too. --
64.229.177.24406:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Okay, in view of all the prior comments, I suggest something to the extent:
If Alonso wins: "Fernando Alonso of Spain successfully defends his Formula One title."
If Schumacher wins: "Michael Schumacher ends his 15 year career in Formula One by winning the 2006 World Championship, his eighth title."
I say we should wait a bit on this one, unless people have died (the article mentions only "unconfirmed injuries") or very extensive damage occurs, a earthquake is hardly that notable.
Mikker(...)21:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I say we add this one. A 6.6-magnitude earthquake is notable, there's reportedly a 95% power blackout on Hawaii, it's a current event and it has its own article.
AecisI'm too
busy acting like I'm not
naive.00:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I'm doubting that it should even have its own article. Unless there is signnificant damage, deaths, injuries etc, i dont see how its signifcant. Earthquakes happen all the time.
Rafy04:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)reply
"Magglio Ordóñez's two-out three RBI home run in the bottom of the ninth inning sends the Detroit Tigers to their first World Series since 1984. Detroit wins the best-of-seven series over Oakland with their 6-3 win, 4-0." Perhaps something similar?
Jasonn00:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
For future cases (e.g. the end of the World Series), please keep in mind that not everyone is into baseball, so it's best to avoid jargon as much as possible. I had to read "two-out three RBI home run" six times before I got a vague idea what it was about, and I'm still not sure.
AecisDancing to electro-pop
like a robot from 1984.13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)reply
WHY?? This information makes no difference to non-south africans or non-rugby fans...99.9999% of the world's population. i see no reason why it should be a headline
TommyStardust18:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)reply
0.0001% of the world's population would be only 6,500 people. I gather more than that care about the outcome of the Currie Cup. --
Golbez18:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Tommy, I personally cannot identify with the majority of news/FAs/DYKs on the main page, but that does not mean they should not be there. The Currie Cup is one of the oldest domestic rugby comps in the world. If you don't know about it, well, now you do.
Cvene6418:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)reply
While somewhat controversial, there is a clear history for including domestic championships in the in the news section for example see
[2] and
[3]. In this case, the Currie Cup result is more noteable then most because it is the first ever draw time it entered extra time as the entry states (although there have been draws before, before extra time was added).
Nil Einne12:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The Currie Cup is basically up there because of the first use of extra time in its 127 year history. The World Series and NBA are obviously bigger.--
HamedogTalk|@13:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I for one very much doubt there are more people who follow the World Series or NBA than rugby... (The competition is followed worldwide, not just in SA. USA + Canada vs. the old British Empire basically). In any case, this year's finals was by far the best Currie Cup game I have ever seen & the strange result makes it especially notable.
Mikker(...)19:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Does anyone have a PD pic of the actual Currie Cup ? I think this would be good for ITN -- before it's too late... --
PFHLai21:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Please note that this result is extremely recent (last half hour). Google News has
these links to coverage of this event (the biggest current event in the chess world), but see also
here. There is also what I believe is a free picture of Kramnik in his article, namely
Image:Vladimir_Kramnik_2005.jpg, which could be used to illustrate this.
Carcharoth15:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The Nobel Peace Prize will be announced later on Friday;
this BBC article lists potential winners if people want to start polishing their articles.--
Peta05:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
No. This is not a breaking news page, nor is it a "notable person made notable statement" page. It's for notable encyclopedic updates, and this does not qualify. --
Golbez04:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I presume you're having a laff, given that (for example) at the time the Booker item was added to the template, the author's article looked like
this and the book's article (now emboldened as supposedly the updated article) did not even exist. (This is only the first one I checked- I'm quite certain I can find others in a similar vein if you would like). Either enforce the guidelines consistently or not at all.
Badgerpatrol04:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Seeing how I did not put up the Desai entry, I'm not sure how this pertains to me. Though we usually have exceptions to the 'one line' rule for things like election results and awards. I dislike your tone. --
Golbez05:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
And I yours. If there are exceptions, these should be clearly articulated on the appropriate page. Since there seems to be such wild inconsistency between admins, perhaps a note on ANI (or something like it) might be in order so as to effect some kind of standardisation and put an end to confusion?
Badgerpatrol05:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
After you. We all have differing notions on what should go on ITN. I'm stating mine. I've made it a personal rule never to revert an entry someone else adds to ITN, unless of course it breaks the central rule of having an updated article. I'm reasonably sure I've kept up with this. --
Golbez05:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Follow the link, or visit the BBC. This is a massive and hugely shocking news story, coming as it does from an extremely prominent member of the British establishment- the operational head of the British Army. If you think it is is just a "soundbite", then quite frankly I question your judgement to select ITN material. Unlike many ITN items, it has obvious international scope. And it is no worse off in terms of an updated article than numerous other ITN items, including those on the Nobel and Booker prize (and arguably that on Google/youtube) that are up there now.
Badgerpatrol06:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
OK, as I suspected, you have missed the point. I humbly suggest you inform yourself as to the basics of global political affairs before making pithy statements of that kind. First, there is as much of a Wikipedia story as there has been for many, many other ITN items, including some that are up there right now. Second, this is not just anyone. I wonder what the reaction would be if the US
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (a similarly important, although not direcly analagous, position) suggested coalition troops were part of the Iraq problem and should be withdrawn as soon as possible? I strongly suspect there would be uproar and the story would imeddiately make it on to the main page.
Badgerpatrol14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)reply
There's no information on the plane, no information on casualties, no information on damage - we need more than a title. --
Golbez19:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It's a breaking news story. It's kind of hard to get that information on to the page when it really isn't known yet, except on the ground. That having been said, the page is getting more information on it, including an infobox with updated reports as it comes through the wires. --
myselfalso20:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)reply
There are death inclusion requirements? If a note on the Austrian election gets on then a promenent sportsman dying so young should do
Cokehabit12:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It meets (b): "(b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically". Does "field of expertise" include sportsmen? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Cokehabit (
talk •
contribs) .
Amazing how a British sportsperson playing a bizarre British sport dies, and nothing happens. Yet an American sportsperson playing a bizarre American sport dies, and, whaddyanknow, top article.
Andymarczak06:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Though I'm not an admin, I certainly agree that this is a worthy candidate for the section. The death satisfies rule 5b, since she was a leader in her field and the death was tragic. In addition, it is internationally notable and even affects international politics. I hope an admin sees this quickly and puts it up.
Syckls16:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Okay, I have added it to
Portal:Astronomy/Events. I found the corresponding WikiNews article, and I have added a headline for the article. It seems a bit long, so if you can shorten it a bit, that would be appreciated. --
Nishkid6421:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)reply
It doesn't seem right to show Smoot's pic but not the pic of Mathers (or other Nobel laureates). Perhaps it's better to show
Levy Mwanawasa's pic, instead. We can't keep showing white people and leave out black people, and we can't keep showing Americans and leave out people from other countries, as per
WP:CSB. --
64.229.229.24412:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Then again, the Platte High School shooting was removed from the Main Page a few days ago because it's not of international notability. I'll wait a while before deciding on putting this up. --
Nishkid6419:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I think that this is of international notability; it has been extremely publicized given the fact that it is extremely rare for a shooting to occur in a one room Amish schoolhouse. It is also the THIRD deadly school shooting in the United States within the past week. -
68.32.34.15221:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
This is also prominently featured on the international version of the BBC's website
[7]. It is of international notability, so it should most definitely be added. -
68.32.34.15221:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I've been against the recent school shootings and the spinach stuff being on ITN, but I think this is unique enough to go up. --
Golbez21:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The only reason why I wanted to wait was because of the problem with initial reports of school shootings. A few weeks ago, initial reports for the Dawson College shooting speculated up to like 10 people dead, but that number was in fact false. The same happened here. Anyhow, I have now added it to the main page, as it has captured international headlines. --
Nishkid6400:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Expanded, with results for the Presidency and State Parliament. The results are 98% complete, and might change, but not enough to change the elected members of the Presidency. --
85.94.131.1009:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I am not sure that an announcement of a runoff/second round election is worthy and internationally that important enough to put on ITN. I would prefer to just put definite final results of elections.
Zzyzx11(Talk)15:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)reply
FIDE_World_Chess_Championship_2006 is currently being held. Whether or not this event would be noteworthy by itself (this is more than a usual chess World Championship match, being an attempt to unify two existing chess championship lines), it most likely is now, given the controversy around the toilet usage which may lead to the match being cancelled.
IgorSF04:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Don't think it's really that notable as of yet. However, I think the whole bathroom overusage incident would make for a great DYK for the main page once the championship is complete. --
Nishkid6418:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Should be something noteworthy to add to the mainpage. However, "month-long" could be disputed. If you say the end was the ceasefire, then it would be a month, but technically it was a 2-month conflict. --
Nishkid6418:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
"Israel completes its withdrawal of military forces, in accordance with the August 14th ceasefire, from Lebanon following a month-long conflict with Hezbollah." Is that okay? I do consider the ceasefire the end of it, but as it could cause controversy, it could be left out.
Abel19:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply
I don't know how many people really care, but nevertheless, it is a political event! In this case, the election has been held! -
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c18:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)reply