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This image has been succeeded by this image as the previous one was uploaded by another user without the correct licence descriptions. How can I remove the previous image (which may violate fair use)? _ MB190417_ ( talk) 02:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there any established rule for situations where using a tertiary source is inadvisable or if it's possible for too many of an article's sources to be tertiary? I'm asking here because I can't find any official guidance elsewhere, and advice I've seen appears to be contradictory. Some editors seem to consider tertiary sources equal to secondary sources, while others seem to consider them a last resort. This is an issue I've seen come up both writing content myself and reviewing the content of others. WP:PST talks about the difference between secondary and tertiary sources, but not when you should use one or the other. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 05:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
equal to secondary sourcesor should they be considered
a last resort? You have staked out two extreme polar positions when the truth is somewhere in the middle. Secondary sources are always preferred, but tertiary sources are permitted when used cautiously and carefully. Consider a Wikipedia biography of a famous musician with a 50 year old career. A newspaper article briefly discussing one of their earliest public performances is a primary source of little value as a reference in a biography of that musician. A book length biography of that musician published decades into their career and written by a respected music critic and published by a respectable house would be a secondary source of the highest quality. A three or four paragraph description of that musician in an encyclopedia of contemporary music would be a tertiary source. It might have limited value in the Wikipedia biography, but well-reviewed book length biographies issued by respected publishing houses or university presses are far superior. It is not an "all or nothing" proposition. Sometimes tertiary sources (and primary sources) are OK until higher quality secondary sources can be found and analyzed. It takes more time and money, after all, to read and understand a book than a newspaper clipping. As editors, we should always be striving to improve the quality of article references, and how accurately we summarize them. Cullen328 ( talk) 07:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
The page I've been working on Draft:Veiled Experts
So, when I started editing this page last year, I had no idea on what to do since it was my first edit, and had to take time off to learn more about editing Wikipedia pages. (Plus there were no notable sources of information that I could find for the subject I was writing a page about).
However, with the recent updates in sources for the subject, I've started my work on the page once again and I would like to ask for some advice from other more experienced editors on Wikipedia.
If anyone could provide some additional feedback on how to make it a better page, please help a fellow newbie editor out! Hyccc20 ( talk) 08:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
The main thing that this draft lacks is citations that establish notability. These should be in reliable secondary sources.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, I had already asked this question, but I had formulated it wrongly: should nicknames be written in italics or in quotation marks (or both)? For example, here:
"... The attacking trio of Sívori, Maschio, and Angelillo were nicknamed the "caras sucias" ...",
or "... The attacking trio of Sívori, Maschio, and Angelillo were nicknamed the caras sucias ...",
or "... The attacking trio of Sívori, Maschio, and Angelillo were nicknamed the "caras sucias"..."? JackkBrown ( talk) 11:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm working on translating an article from German to English in a sandbox draft, and for some reason, all of a sudden, part of the text of the page has simply disappeared from the page altogether. It's all still there when I open an edit box to check, but when I close it again, a whole section just disappears, and two sentences are next to one another that should have a whole section between them. Has this happened to anyone else? Evansknight ( talk) 14:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently started editing as a volunteer, on behalf of a large academic body. We were wondering if there's something buried in page tools which allows users to see how many people have viewed an individual edit/addition to a page. This is of interest in terms of trying to gauge how useful our project is, going forward. I did look at general Pageview stats, but could not find the info I was looking for. Also had a look at the WikiProject edit counters page, and there were a couple of links which allowed greater analysis, but not in the specific area of interest here. Any input or suggestions would be very much appreciated! UtopiaCaled0nia ( talk) 16:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Is this file sufficient different from this file as to not be considered a derivative work and be okay for use in article epistrophe? User1042 💬 ✒️ 16:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@ ONUnicorn:, @ Arch dude: okay, thanks for the help. I have tagged it as a copyright violation. User1042 💬 ✒️ 12:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I can’t set Greek language Ells123go ( talk) 17:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Would someone please update the first section about "Julian Assange" to bring the reader up to date on what has happened to his appeal since July 2022 and what his status is today? The article is lengthy with many twists and turns, and I cannot find anything that brings me up to date. Thank you!! 2600:1700:95B0:B620:807D:5264:1468:431E ( talk) 18:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! Can I upload some screenshots of these videos on Wiki Commons? [2] [3] [4] MJXVI ( talk) 18:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good evening. In the following sentences, according to the rules of the style manual, should italics be added instead of quotation marks? "... with some parts of the media dubbing him "the Maradona of the Sixties"."; and "... In his final years he was often referred to as "l'Ingegnere" (the Engineer) or "il Grande Vecchio" (the Great Old Man)." JackkBrown ( talk) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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This image has been succeeded by this image as the previous one was uploaded by another user without the correct licence descriptions. How can I remove the previous image (which may violate fair use)? _ MB190417_ ( talk) 02:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there any established rule for situations where using a tertiary source is inadvisable or if it's possible for too many of an article's sources to be tertiary? I'm asking here because I can't find any official guidance elsewhere, and advice I've seen appears to be contradictory. Some editors seem to consider tertiary sources equal to secondary sources, while others seem to consider them a last resort. This is an issue I've seen come up both writing content myself and reviewing the content of others. WP:PST talks about the difference between secondary and tertiary sources, but not when you should use one or the other. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 05:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
equal to secondary sourcesor should they be considered
a last resort? You have staked out two extreme polar positions when the truth is somewhere in the middle. Secondary sources are always preferred, but tertiary sources are permitted when used cautiously and carefully. Consider a Wikipedia biography of a famous musician with a 50 year old career. A newspaper article briefly discussing one of their earliest public performances is a primary source of little value as a reference in a biography of that musician. A book length biography of that musician published decades into their career and written by a respected music critic and published by a respectable house would be a secondary source of the highest quality. A three or four paragraph description of that musician in an encyclopedia of contemporary music would be a tertiary source. It might have limited value in the Wikipedia biography, but well-reviewed book length biographies issued by respected publishing houses or university presses are far superior. It is not an "all or nothing" proposition. Sometimes tertiary sources (and primary sources) are OK until higher quality secondary sources can be found and analyzed. It takes more time and money, after all, to read and understand a book than a newspaper clipping. As editors, we should always be striving to improve the quality of article references, and how accurately we summarize them. Cullen328 ( talk) 07:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
The page I've been working on Draft:Veiled Experts
So, when I started editing this page last year, I had no idea on what to do since it was my first edit, and had to take time off to learn more about editing Wikipedia pages. (Plus there were no notable sources of information that I could find for the subject I was writing a page about).
However, with the recent updates in sources for the subject, I've started my work on the page once again and I would like to ask for some advice from other more experienced editors on Wikipedia.
If anyone could provide some additional feedback on how to make it a better page, please help a fellow newbie editor out! Hyccc20 ( talk) 08:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
The main thing that this draft lacks is citations that establish notability. These should be in reliable secondary sources.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good morning, I had already asked this question, but I had formulated it wrongly: should nicknames be written in italics or in quotation marks (or both)? For example, here:
"... The attacking trio of Sívori, Maschio, and Angelillo were nicknamed the "caras sucias" ...",
or "... The attacking trio of Sívori, Maschio, and Angelillo were nicknamed the caras sucias ...",
or "... The attacking trio of Sívori, Maschio, and Angelillo were nicknamed the "caras sucias"..."? JackkBrown ( talk) 11:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I'm working on translating an article from German to English in a sandbox draft, and for some reason, all of a sudden, part of the text of the page has simply disappeared from the page altogether. It's all still there when I open an edit box to check, but when I close it again, a whole section just disappears, and two sentences are next to one another that should have a whole section between them. Has this happened to anyone else? Evansknight ( talk) 14:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I've recently started editing as a volunteer, on behalf of a large academic body. We were wondering if there's something buried in page tools which allows users to see how many people have viewed an individual edit/addition to a page. This is of interest in terms of trying to gauge how useful our project is, going forward. I did look at general Pageview stats, but could not find the info I was looking for. Also had a look at the WikiProject edit counters page, and there were a couple of links which allowed greater analysis, but not in the specific area of interest here. Any input or suggestions would be very much appreciated! UtopiaCaled0nia ( talk) 16:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Is this file sufficient different from this file as to not be considered a derivative work and be okay for use in article epistrophe? User1042 💬 ✒️ 16:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
@ ONUnicorn:, @ Arch dude: okay, thanks for the help. I have tagged it as a copyright violation. User1042 💬 ✒️ 12:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I can’t set Greek language Ells123go ( talk) 17:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Would someone please update the first section about "Julian Assange" to bring the reader up to date on what has happened to his appeal since July 2022 and what his status is today? The article is lengthy with many twists and turns, and I cannot find anything that brings me up to date. Thank you!! 2600:1700:95B0:B620:807D:5264:1468:431E ( talk) 18:10, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! Can I upload some screenshots of these videos on Wiki Commons? [2] [3] [4] MJXVI ( talk) 18:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Good evening. In the following sentences, according to the rules of the style manual, should italics be added instead of quotation marks? "... with some parts of the media dubbing him "the Maradona of the Sixties"."; and "... In his final years he was often referred to as "l'Ingegnere" (the Engineer) or "il Grande Vecchio" (the Great Old Man)." JackkBrown ( talk) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)