Self nomination.
Peer review. I've heavily copyedited and researched this article in response to some very productive comments given by generous folks during the peer review.
Saravask02:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support: 54KB is fine for an article completely on subject. If there is a prohibitive length then there should not be. I'm not sure there needs to be 47 footnotes referencing almost every fact - but I suppose they do no harm and this does seem to be the way things are going here now. This is a good informative and comprehensive page, well up to FA standard, and will doubtless soon be on the main page where it deserves to be.
Giano |
talk10:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - I gave some comments on
WP:PR that have been addressed. The font size in the floating tables seems a little small, and it could do with some copyediting here and there (Swiss town of Basil? Are you
sure?), but generally excellent. --
ALoan(Talk)12:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thank you. I also found the wording of the paragraph dealing with the etymology a bit confusing. Do "these terms" refer to the Spanish and Italian words only? Are you implying a connection between the Arabic word and the Latin word? --
Rune Welsh |
ταλκ |
Esperanza17:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Yes. In the Romance languages, the term for saffron is a loan word from the Arabic. For example, see
this. This is also what other references state. I tried clarifying that paragraph as well.
Saravask22:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The article needs to be re-formatted. History usually comes first, not in the middle of the article, among other issues.
User:PZFUN/signature 17:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it's important to define and explain what saffron is before discussing its history, so placing the botany section before the history is IMO entirely appropriate. -
Mgm|
(talk)20:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I also agree. History only need come first for articles where the history comes first chronologically; thus "etymology" is the first section in most articles where the word is of issue, "history" for human inventions and nations and so on, "life" before "legacy" in bios, etc. But for a plant or animal, "history" does not come first in most cases simply because the critter existed prehistorically! -
Silence21:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, because "wow." Great article. The lead image is a bit dim, however; please yell at me if I forget to do some Photoshop correction to it after I get home this evening.
Postdlf18:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, great work from Saravask. Disagree strongly with the complaits about the position of the history section, the plant was a plant before it had a history of human use, this set up is well established in other recent featured food articles like butter and black pepper.--
nixie08:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I fact-checked every one of the online footnoted references and came up with the following nitpicking comments: the first reference claims it is "by weight the world's most expensive spice" but the book was published in 1969. What are "transient snows"? The "volatile (aroma-yielding)" might upset a chemist reader, probably should pre-empt their edit with "150 volatile and aroma-yielding...". "powerful contributor to saffron's fragrance.[14]" is referenced to page 1 but the info is on page 3...same with the "saffron, dried hay like" quote. Its eupeptic properties are not mentioned in that footnote (37 Park). There is a footnote 48 in "Grading" that should be 47. I totally don't see where that Kashmir-Iran mix in the last footnote (35 Tarvand ) is coming from. --
maclean2509:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your attention on the previous issues. Do you really want more? ok...the
LD50 in the "Medicinal" section, is that for humans...or mice, or monkeys, or cute furry bunnies? --
maclean2505:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment. Give a second look t the captions. You have the same one twice, and the ones about the chemical makeup seem to be cut off. Spend about 5, 10 minutes fixing this and I'll support. On the whole a great article. --
HereToHelp (
talk)
14:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Hello. I elaborated on the image titles. But the chemicals' captions look OK to me. Could it be a problem with your internet browser? Let me know.
Saravask16:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
HeretoHelp, A raw figure of footnotes does not necessarily mean that an article is more referenced.
=Nichalp«Talk»=
Comment{{Medlineplus}} seems to have been created specifically for this article. May I suggest removing it? It is a template for an arbitrary external website and the template implies it is a sister project, which it is not (a similar template for
Uncyclopedia was deleted for these reasons).—
jiy (
talk)
00:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I see the nominator has put a lot of effort into this article. As a lover of botany and food-related articles, I am pleased to find such devotion. I had an impression that images were a bit disorganized, but now it appears to have been mostly fixed. --
BorgQueen15:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Self nomination.
Peer review. I've heavily copyedited and researched this article in response to some very productive comments given by generous folks during the peer review.
Saravask02:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support: 54KB is fine for an article completely on subject. If there is a prohibitive length then there should not be. I'm not sure there needs to be 47 footnotes referencing almost every fact - but I suppose they do no harm and this does seem to be the way things are going here now. This is a good informative and comprehensive page, well up to FA standard, and will doubtless soon be on the main page where it deserves to be.
Giano |
talk10:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support - I gave some comments on
WP:PR that have been addressed. The font size in the floating tables seems a little small, and it could do with some copyediting here and there (Swiss town of Basil? Are you
sure?), but generally excellent. --
ALoan(Talk)12:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thank you. I also found the wording of the paragraph dealing with the etymology a bit confusing. Do "these terms" refer to the Spanish and Italian words only? Are you implying a connection between the Arabic word and the Latin word? --
Rune Welsh |
ταλκ |
Esperanza17:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Yes. In the Romance languages, the term for saffron is a loan word from the Arabic. For example, see
this. This is also what other references state. I tried clarifying that paragraph as well.
Saravask22:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The article needs to be re-formatted. History usually comes first, not in the middle of the article, among other issues.
User:PZFUN/signature 17:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it's important to define and explain what saffron is before discussing its history, so placing the botany section before the history is IMO entirely appropriate. -
Mgm|
(talk)20:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
I also agree. History only need come first for articles where the history comes first chronologically; thus "etymology" is the first section in most articles where the word is of issue, "history" for human inventions and nations and so on, "life" before "legacy" in bios, etc. But for a plant or animal, "history" does not come first in most cases simply because the critter existed prehistorically! -
Silence21:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, because "wow." Great article. The lead image is a bit dim, however; please yell at me if I forget to do some Photoshop correction to it after I get home this evening.
Postdlf18:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, great work from Saravask. Disagree strongly with the complaits about the position of the history section, the plant was a plant before it had a history of human use, this set up is well established in other recent featured food articles like butter and black pepper.--
nixie08:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I fact-checked every one of the online footnoted references and came up with the following nitpicking comments: the first reference claims it is "by weight the world's most expensive spice" but the book was published in 1969. What are "transient snows"? The "volatile (aroma-yielding)" might upset a chemist reader, probably should pre-empt their edit with "150 volatile and aroma-yielding...". "powerful contributor to saffron's fragrance.[14]" is referenced to page 1 but the info is on page 3...same with the "saffron, dried hay like" quote. Its eupeptic properties are not mentioned in that footnote (37 Park). There is a footnote 48 in "Grading" that should be 47. I totally don't see where that Kashmir-Iran mix in the last footnote (35 Tarvand ) is coming from. --
maclean2509:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your attention on the previous issues. Do you really want more? ok...the
LD50 in the "Medicinal" section, is that for humans...or mice, or monkeys, or cute furry bunnies? --
maclean2505:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Comment. Give a second look t the captions. You have the same one twice, and the ones about the chemical makeup seem to be cut off. Spend about 5, 10 minutes fixing this and I'll support. On the whole a great article. --
HereToHelp (
talk)
14:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Hello. I elaborated on the image titles. But the chemicals' captions look OK to me. Could it be a problem with your internet browser? Let me know.
Saravask16:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)reply
HeretoHelp, A raw figure of footnotes does not necessarily mean that an article is more referenced.
=Nichalp«Talk»=
Comment{{Medlineplus}} seems to have been created specifically for this article. May I suggest removing it? It is a template for an arbitrary external website and the template implies it is a sister project, which it is not (a similar template for
Uncyclopedia was deleted for these reasons).—
jiy (
talk)
00:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I see the nominator has put a lot of effort into this article. As a lover of botany and food-related articles, I am pleased to find such devotion. I had an impression that images were a bit disorganized, but now it appears to have been mostly fixed. --
BorgQueen15:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)reply