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Peter Fox was elected to the Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament today. It may be more practical to augment a pre-existing article than to start a new one from scratch. Sionk ( talk) 19:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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First, Order of the White Eagle (Poland) is not some minor award, our article states that it "is Poland's highest order awarded to both civilians and the military for their merits". It's right there at the top of Orders, decorations, and medals of Poland (interestingly, we still have categories for two other Polish major civilian state awards, i.e. Category:Recipients of the Order of Polonia Restituta and Category:Recipients of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland; as far as I can tell the fourth, Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cross of Independence, never had been created on English Wikipedia yet). I am honestly not sure what is the American "top" equivalent, but would we delete Category:Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients or the Category:Congressional Gold Medal recipients? Or the British Category:Recipients of the George Cross, which I think the British "top" civilian award? I think such a proposal would be laughed out. On that note, please keep in mind WP:SYSTEMICBIAS: this is a Polish award and many of its recipients (most of whom are Poles) still don't have an article on the English Wikipedia. Polish Wikipedia has biographies of about 1,000 recipients ( pl:Kategoria:Odznaczeni Orderem Orła Białego) and the category exists on over a dozen other Wikipedias. Second. Three categories were nominated under the rationale "There are only heads of state, nobility, ministers and generals in these categories to whom the granting of the order is merely a gesture." I have no issue with the other two categories that were deleted, they seem minor and perhaps that was an apt description for them, but the singled out category discussed here contains also many activists, artists, journalists and like (ex. Marek Edelman, Irena Sendler, Andrzej Wajda, Oswald Balzer). Granted, the order is also given to some dignitaries (presidents, queens, popes, etc.) who couldn't care less about it, but this is true for many major awards. With regards to the awards being defining, it is mentioned in the lead of some biographies (ex. in the lead of the Polish version of the biography of economist Wojciech Roszkowski). And for someone like the activist pl:Łucjan Królikowski it likely is very defining (in that particular case I don't see what makes this individual notable except the fact that he received this very award; in other words what makes him notable is the virtue of receiving the highest Polish state award). It may not be memorable for a President or a Pope whose biographies don't generally mention such awards in the lead, but it is very significant for a professor or activist and that award is granted to both groups (contrary to the assertions made at the deletion discussion). It should not have been deleted after few votes from editors who, with all due respect, considered it minor ("honorary gifts for already notable people", "merely a gesture") because they are not familiar with Polish culture/politics/awards and clearly didn't notice the status of this award (top Polish civilian award with over 200 years of history). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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Consensus was to oppose deletion of "Asian-American librarians," but instead it was changed into a container category titled "American librarians of Asian descent." Unfortunately subcategory American librarians of Korean descent was deleted in February. There's no way to maintain this as a container category since most of the categories will be challenged due to WP:SMALL. (An organization dedicated to this specific group has existed since 1980, the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association.) Skvader ( talk) 00:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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7 May 2021
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Peter Fox was elected to the Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament today. It may be more practical to augment a pre-existing article than to start a new one from scratch. Sionk ( talk) 19:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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| The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
First, Order of the White Eagle (Poland) is not some minor award, our article states that it "is Poland's highest order awarded to both civilians and the military for their merits". It's right there at the top of Orders, decorations, and medals of Poland (interestingly, we still have categories for two other Polish major civilian state awards, i.e. Category:Recipients of the Order of Polonia Restituta and Category:Recipients of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland; as far as I can tell the fourth, Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cross of Independence, never had been created on English Wikipedia yet). I am honestly not sure what is the American "top" equivalent, but would we delete Category:Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients or the Category:Congressional Gold Medal recipients? Or the British Category:Recipients of the George Cross, which I think the British "top" civilian award? I think such a proposal would be laughed out. On that note, please keep in mind WP:SYSTEMICBIAS: this is a Polish award and many of its recipients (most of whom are Poles) still don't have an article on the English Wikipedia. Polish Wikipedia has biographies of about 1,000 recipients ( pl:Kategoria:Odznaczeni Orderem Orła Białego) and the category exists on over a dozen other Wikipedias. Second. Three categories were nominated under the rationale "There are only heads of state, nobility, ministers and generals in these categories to whom the granting of the order is merely a gesture." I have no issue with the other two categories that were deleted, they seem minor and perhaps that was an apt description for them, but the singled out category discussed here contains also many activists, artists, journalists and like (ex. Marek Edelman, Irena Sendler, Andrzej Wajda, Oswald Balzer). Granted, the order is also given to some dignitaries (presidents, queens, popes, etc.) who couldn't care less about it, but this is true for many major awards. With regards to the awards being defining, it is mentioned in the lead of some biographies (ex. in the lead of the Polish version of the biography of economist Wojciech Roszkowski). And for someone like the activist pl:Łucjan Królikowski it likely is very defining (in that particular case I don't see what makes this individual notable except the fact that he received this very award; in other words what makes him notable is the virtue of receiving the highest Polish state award). It may not be memorable for a President or a Pope whose biographies don't generally mention such awards in the lead, but it is very significant for a professor or activist and that award is granted to both groups (contrary to the assertions made at the deletion discussion). It should not have been deleted after few votes from editors who, with all due respect, considered it minor ("honorary gifts for already notable people", "merely a gesture") because they are not familiar with Polish culture/politics/awards and clearly didn't notice the status of this award (top Polish civilian award with over 200 years of history). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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| The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
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Consensus was to oppose deletion of "Asian-American librarians," but instead it was changed into a container category titled "American librarians of Asian descent." Unfortunately subcategory American librarians of Korean descent was deleted in February. There's no way to maintain this as a container category since most of the categories will be challenged due to WP:SMALL. (An organization dedicated to this specific group has existed since 1980, the Asian Pacific American Librarians Association.) Skvader ( talk) 00:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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| The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |