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The result of the discussion was:procedural close, the categories have already been deleted. (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:WP:OVERCAT. The former category contains two articles, and the latter contains one, with no prospect of additional articles being added to either in the foreseeable future. I created these categories with an overly narrow understanding of what constitutes overcategorisation; an error pointed out by @
Monster Iestyn.
Ypna (
talk) 20:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Ypna: in this case it is quicker to tag these pages with {{Db-self}}.
Marcocapelle (
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Establishments in Ethiopia
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Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, for consistency, all siblings use "Ethiopia", there are just these few categories with the deviant "Ethiopian Empire" format. Thanks to
User:Liz for detecting this.
Marcocapelle (
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Support. I agree that consistency is beneficial here
Mason (
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Category:Closed amusement parks
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Nominator's rationale: Category seems to be redundant; Defunct amusements parks is older and has established trees.
ForsythiaJo (
talk) 17:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Petscan
[1] showed two that are not in the target hierarchy:
Italia Mura and
Hồ Thủy Tiên. I have remedied those two. Please run the Petscan again before deleting. –
FayenaticLondon 11:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Albany Harbour harbourmasters
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The result of the discussion was:delete. Nothing to do, in fact, since the category was emptied and nobody has objected.
(non-admin closure) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
nah just delete as an empty category - the likelihood of the other albany harbourmastersemerging from editing by recent patterns is thin - as the Australian maritime history project didnt have port personnel anywhere - I have created the australian harbourmasters category - many of them are identified in titles of articles - but not a mention of the maritime history as a category or as a project tag... that is fairly usual...
JarrahTree 09:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 01:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:People in environment
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The result of the discussion was:rename. Only dispute was about inclusion of a specific subcategory, which does not need to be resolved at CfD.
(non-admin closure) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I have no problem with that one staying within the new name. –
FayenaticLondon 21:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Science occupations
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Nominator's rationale: Split to separate biography categories from articles about occupations. I have brought this for a full discussion rather than just doing it, as other editors may well be able to improve on the proposal. E.g. perhaps the first new category should rather be
Category:People in science occupations, corresponding to some others in
category:People by occupation; or perhaps the second should be
Category:People in mathematics. –
FayenaticLondon 13:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, considering Fayenatic london's reasoning for having an overarching parent for different roles in science and in mathematics. –
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Category:Jews by occupation
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The result of the discussion was:keep. There is agreement that although most subcategories probably fail
WP:EGRS, not all of them do.
(non-admin closure) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:WP:EGRS/I violation. The intersection of religion and occupation is not defining. In fact, that guideline explicitly states: Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic. Being Jewish is not relevant to being, say, an astronomer.
Furthermore: Most sportspeople should not be categorized by religion, since being Catholic, Buddhist, or another religion is not relevant to the way they perform in sports. For instance, in sports, a Roman Catholic athlete is not treated as notably different from a Lutheran or Methodist athlete. This category and all its subcategories (save a very few relavent intersections, like
Category:Jewish religious leaders) should be deleted. Edward-Woodrow •
talk 12:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Again, the key point is that Jews are
ethnoreligious and, as such, a Jewish person cannot be classified as religious in the same sense as an Anglican or a Roman Catholic. Further, while you are using
WP:EGRS/I to justify your case, you have not mentioned
WP:EGRS/E which considers ethnicity and says: Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorising people; however, race is not. It goes on to give as an example: We do have
Category:Jewish musicians, but we should not have
Category:Semitic musicians. That is because Jews are an ethnic group but Semites are a race which includes Arabs as well as Jews.
PearlyGigs (
talk) 15:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep for now, some occupations are trivial intersections, others may not, so it is too early to decide if we need a parent category or not.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep but purge. There are some occupations for which Jewishness, or a specific Jewish group, is defining and the category eligible under
WP:OCEGRS, so deleting the entire tree is not in order. Unfortunately, there are also many (many many) such categories which are trivial (
Category:Jewish presidents is my all-time personal favourite) and just stay there because it just seems that the pace at which they are created is higher than the pace at which they are deleted. A good flush would be helpful.
Place Clichy (
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Romance words and phrases
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Nominator's rationale: These categories may have been intended as a counterpart to the better-populated
Category:Slavic words and phrases, but are currently not useful for navigation, as they only contain
French names, which can be reached via other parents. –
FayenaticLondon 12:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
One week after creating these, the categories' creator was put under an indefinite topic ban from the subject of names, broadly construed.
[2] The timing means that these are not quite eligible for speedy deletion under
WP:G5. –
FayenaticLondon 12:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Moksha-aligned dharmas
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The result of the discussion was:procedural close, the categories have already been deleted. (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:WP:OVERCAT. The former category contains two articles, and the latter contains one, with no prospect of additional articles being added to either in the foreseeable future. I created these categories with an overly narrow understanding of what constitutes overcategorisation; an error pointed out by @
Monster Iestyn.
Ypna (
talk) 20:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Ypna: in this case it is quicker to tag these pages with {{Db-self}}.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 04:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Establishments in Ethiopia
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Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, for consistency, all siblings use "Ethiopia", there are just these few categories with the deviant "Ethiopian Empire" format. Thanks to
User:Liz for detecting this.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. I agree that consistency is beneficial here
Mason (
talk) 01:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Closed amusement parks
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Nominator's rationale: Category seems to be redundant; Defunct amusements parks is older and has established trees.
ForsythiaJo (
talk) 17:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Petscan
[1] showed two that are not in the target hierarchy:
Italia Mura and
Hồ Thủy Tiên. I have remedied those two. Please run the Petscan again before deleting. –
FayenaticLondon 11:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Albany Harbour harbourmasters
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The result of the discussion was:delete. Nothing to do, in fact, since the category was emptied and nobody has objected.
(non-admin closure) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
nah just delete as an empty category - the likelihood of the other albany harbourmastersemerging from editing by recent patterns is thin - as the Australian maritime history project didnt have port personnel anywhere - I have created the australian harbourmasters category - many of them are identified in titles of articles - but not a mention of the maritime history as a category or as a project tag... that is fairly usual...
JarrahTree 09:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 01:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:People in environment
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(non-admin closure) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I have no problem with that one staying within the new name. –
FayenaticLondon 21:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Science occupations
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Nominator's rationale: Split to separate biography categories from articles about occupations. I have brought this for a full discussion rather than just doing it, as other editors may well be able to improve on the proposal. E.g. perhaps the first new category should rather be
Category:People in science occupations, corresponding to some others in
category:People by occupation; or perhaps the second should be
Category:People in mathematics. –
FayenaticLondon 13:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, considering Fayenatic london's reasoning for having an overarching parent for different roles in science and in mathematics. –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Jews by occupation
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The result of the discussion was:keep. There is agreement that although most subcategories probably fail
WP:EGRS, not all of them do.
(non-admin closure) –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 00:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:WP:EGRS/I violation. The intersection of religion and occupation is not defining. In fact, that guideline explicitly states: Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic. Being Jewish is not relevant to being, say, an astronomer.
Furthermore: Most sportspeople should not be categorized by religion, since being Catholic, Buddhist, or another religion is not relevant to the way they perform in sports. For instance, in sports, a Roman Catholic athlete is not treated as notably different from a Lutheran or Methodist athlete. This category and all its subcategories (save a very few relavent intersections, like
Category:Jewish religious leaders) should be deleted. Edward-Woodrow •
talk 12:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Again, the key point is that Jews are
ethnoreligious and, as such, a Jewish person cannot be classified as religious in the same sense as an Anglican or a Roman Catholic. Further, while you are using
WP:EGRS/I to justify your case, you have not mentioned
WP:EGRS/E which considers ethnicity and says: Ethnic groups are commonly used when categorising people; however, race is not. It goes on to give as an example: We do have
Category:Jewish musicians, but we should not have
Category:Semitic musicians. That is because Jews are an ethnic group but Semites are a race which includes Arabs as well as Jews.
PearlyGigs (
talk) 15:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep for now, some occupations are trivial intersections, others may not, so it is too early to decide if we need a parent category or not.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep but purge. There are some occupations for which Jewishness, or a specific Jewish group, is defining and the category eligible under
WP:OCEGRS, so deleting the entire tree is not in order. Unfortunately, there are also many (many many) such categories which are trivial (
Category:Jewish presidents is my all-time personal favourite) and just stay there because it just seems that the pace at which they are created is higher than the pace at which they are deleted. A good flush would be helpful.
Place Clichy (
talk) 15:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)reply
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Romance words and phrases
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Nominator's rationale: These categories may have been intended as a counterpart to the better-populated
Category:Slavic words and phrases, but are currently not useful for navigation, as they only contain
French names, which can be reached via other parents. –
FayenaticLondon 12:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
One week after creating these, the categories' creator was put under an indefinite topic ban from the subject of names, broadly construed.
[2] The timing means that these are not quite eligible for speedy deletion under
WP:G5. –
FayenaticLondon 12:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Moksha-aligned dharmas
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