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Nominator's rationale:delete for now, there is only the main article and a redirect. No objection to recreate the category when more articles about this cabinet are published. I added the part in italic because I just purged two articles that weren't about the cabinet at all.
Marcocapelle (
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You purged
Hypo Real Estate. It was nationalised by the First Merkel cabinet, so I would still categorise it here. I can't remember what the other page was that you removed. Added two more. ⠀Trimton⠀ 23:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support delete. The tangentially related things that Trimton has added could very easily be linked on the pages.
Mason (
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It is so much tangentially related that even direct links may be inappropriate. Take e.g.
33rd G8 summit, why would the text need to refer to the German cabinet?
Marcocapelle (
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The point is that the first Merkel cabinet refers not only to the people in the cabinet, but also to the 2005-2009 administration more widely. The G8 summit was organised by that administration. Added some of the ministers.⠀Trimton⠀ 00:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:Manually merge the subcats, no consensus to rename the parent.
* Pppery *it has begun... 18:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
This would work in conjunction with deleting the Croatian and Italian subcategories. The Austro-Hungarian army was the native army for the Croats and Italians in these categories.
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Further clarification, I am opposing unless beforementioned two subcategories are deleted simultanously.
Marcocapelle (
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Do you have an alternative name that wouldn't require deleting the child categories?
Mason (
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Good question because only now it occurs to me that the subcategories should be merged/diffused anyway, to the tree of
Category:Austro-Hungarian military personnel, per
WP:EGRS. Croatians and Italians were ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary.
Marcocapelle (
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I'd support merging the child categories.
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LaundryPizza03 (
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Oppose rename There is no consistency among the subcategories of
Category:Expatriate military units and formations. I'd recommend nominating all of them for rename to a uniform convention. Since this dicussion has also become about the subcategories rather than the nominated category itslef, I will bundle them into this CfD. –
LaundryPizza03 (
dc̄) 23:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The German category also contains only a single article, per
WP:NARROWCAT we can merge. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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@
LaundryPizza03 This would not be historically correct for Croatians because "Austro-Hungarian" means 1867-1918, but for them the relevant time period starts multiple centuries prior, rather. --
Joy (
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Honestly I don't quite understand the logic here. Austrian military personnel is the top of a big tree (18 subcats), and it already has subcategories by war, by city, by century, cause of death, ranks. Why can't it have a subcategory by the origin of the soldiers? It's a concept documented in the sources of those articles, just like these other characteristics are. Removing the bad "expatriate" cross-categorization seems much easier than all this. --
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Manually merge insofar articles aren't already in the tree of the target.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, almost every cabinet of Germany was a coalition cabinet.
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Merge per nom
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Nominator's rationale:merge, diffusing by historicity does not make much sense for categories about political history.
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Merge per nom
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Delete per nom (normally I would have said upmerge but seems not needed here).
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Nominator's rationale: Only two cities in here, which is not helpful for navigation
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Merge per nom. Besides soon only one category will be left.
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Updated nom per Marco
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Nominator's rationale: Get rid of capital "V" in "Venture capitalists" and instead move it to "Israeli venture capitalists" instead.
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Support per nom. This could be speedied.
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Nominator's rationale: Should match the format of other non-fiction books
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Support "about", per precedent, consistent with many other renames we recently had. I am also inclined to support the merge because the "classic" books are in fact quite modern.
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Yeah, I didn't really feel like the distinction between modern and classic was very helpful. If there ends up being a critical mass, then they can be diffused by century, which is less arbitrary.
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Nominator's rationale: Contains the same pages as the latter; all players are American. Additionally, Major League Baseball players are categorized by league and/or position, not ethnicity.
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Nominator's rationale: I think that this category should be renamed to match other overarching categories. Here's the category description: "This is an overarching category covering books and texts over thousands of years, so it is suggested that all individual titles should go into one of the sub-categories such as 'Hatha yoga texts'. If a suitable subcategory does not exist for a book it should be created and the book placed in it, the category to be added here."
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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This was a confederation that lasted 5 years and shouldn't be defining for emigration.
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Merge, this wasn't a proper country anyway.
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Merge -- We cannot allow separate categories for every change in consitutional governance.
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Equally fine with me. My goal is to untangle this mess.
Mason (
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That is very necessary indeed.
Marcocapelle (
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updated nom per marco
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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Just delete, there is currently only a streets subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your rationale for deletion rather than merging. The only subcat is
Category:Roads in Szczecin, which is surely a roads category rather than a streets category.
Qwerfjkltalk 12:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:delete for now, there is only the main article and a redirect. No objection to recreate the category when more articles about this cabinet are published. I added the part in italic because I just purged two articles that weren't about the cabinet at all.
Marcocapelle (
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You purged
Hypo Real Estate. It was nationalised by the First Merkel cabinet, so I would still categorise it here. I can't remember what the other page was that you removed. Added two more. ⠀Trimton⠀ 23:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support delete. The tangentially related things that Trimton has added could very easily be linked on the pages.
Mason (
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It is so much tangentially related that even direct links may be inappropriate. Take e.g.
33rd G8 summit, why would the text need to refer to the German cabinet?
Marcocapelle (
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The point is that the first Merkel cabinet refers not only to the people in the cabinet, but also to the 2005-2009 administration more widely. The G8 summit was organised by that administration. Added some of the ministers.⠀Trimton⠀ 00:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:Manually merge the subcats, no consensus to rename the parent.
* Pppery *it has begun... 18:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
This would work in conjunction with deleting the Croatian and Italian subcategories. The Austro-Hungarian army was the native army for the Croats and Italians in these categories.
Marcocapelle (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguilltalk 00:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Further clarification, I am opposing unless beforementioned two subcategories are deleted simultanously.
Marcocapelle (
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Do you have an alternative name that wouldn't require deleting the child categories?
Mason (
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Good question because only now it occurs to me that the subcategories should be merged/diffused anyway, to the tree of
Category:Austro-Hungarian military personnel, per
WP:EGRS. Croatians and Italians were ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary.
Marcocapelle (
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I'd support merging the child categories.
Mason (
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LaundryPizza03 (
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Oppose rename There is no consistency among the subcategories of
Category:Expatriate military units and formations. I'd recommend nominating all of them for rename to a uniform convention. Since this dicussion has also become about the subcategories rather than the nominated category itslef, I will bundle them into this CfD. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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The German category also contains only a single article, per
WP:NARROWCAT we can merge. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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@
LaundryPizza03 This would not be historically correct for Croatians because "Austro-Hungarian" means 1867-1918, but for them the relevant time period starts multiple centuries prior, rather. --
Joy (
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Honestly I don't quite understand the logic here. Austrian military personnel is the top of a big tree (18 subcats), and it already has subcategories by war, by city, by century, cause of death, ranks. Why can't it have a subcategory by the origin of the soldiers? It's a concept documented in the sources of those articles, just like these other characteristics are. Removing the bad "expatriate" cross-categorization seems much easier than all this. --
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Manually merge insofar articles aren't already in the tree of the target.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, almost every cabinet of Germany was a coalition cabinet.
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Merge per nom
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Nominator's rationale:merge, diffusing by historicity does not make much sense for categories about political history.
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Merge per nom
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Delete per nom (normally I would have said upmerge but seems not needed here).
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Nominator's rationale: Only two cities in here, which is not helpful for navigation
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Merge per nom. Besides soon only one category will be left.
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Updated nom per Marco
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Nominator's rationale: Get rid of capital "V" in "Venture capitalists" and instead move it to "Israeli venture capitalists" instead.
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Support per nom. This could be speedied.
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Nominator's rationale: Should match the format of other non-fiction books
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Support "about", per precedent, consistent with many other renames we recently had. I am also inclined to support the merge because the "classic" books are in fact quite modern.
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Yeah, I didn't really feel like the distinction between modern and classic was very helpful. If there ends up being a critical mass, then they can be diffused by century, which is less arbitrary.
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Nominator's rationale: Contains the same pages as the latter; all players are American. Additionally, Major League Baseball players are categorized by league and/or position, not ethnicity.
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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This was a confederation that lasted 5 years and shouldn't be defining for emigration.
Mason (
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Merge, this wasn't a proper country anyway.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge -- We cannot allow separate categories for every change in consitutional governance.
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Equally fine with me. My goal is to untangle this mess.
Mason (
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That is very necessary indeed.
Marcocapelle (
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updated nom per marco
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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Just delete, there is currently only a streets subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, I don't understand your rationale for deletion rather than merging. The only subcat is
Category:Roads in Szczecin, which is surely a roads category rather than a streets category.
Qwerfjkltalk 12:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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