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Nominator's rationale (literature): Again, apart from
Category:Early Germanic literature, this is mixing up
Category:Literature by country with the predominant native or official language of that country that just so happens to belong to the Germanic language family. Much of, say, Dutch or German or Luxemburgish literature isn't actually written in Dutch, German or Luxemburgish, but Latin, Greek, or French (or nowadays English). E.g.
Category:Books by Desiderius Erasmus are Latin or Greek, but in the Dutch books > Dutch literature tree, and there is nothing "Germanic" about them.
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Delete, it would not be a problem if these categories would contain articles about early Germanic culture, but instead they contain subcategories of post-early Germanic culture which is usually no longer called Germanic.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:C2C following recent CfRs more precisely renaming the subcategories, they are currently all Kings, monarchs, queens, or chiefs. Today someone else also renamed the main article to
Maya Kings and Queens, so
WP:C2D would also apply. I'm not sure it's the best title for the main article, it should certainly be lowercase k and lowercase q. But aside from Maya monarchs as main article title, Maya kings and queens would certainly be compatible with all subcategories. The "chiefs" one were also frequently called "kings", and the "monarch" ones only got that name because there were both kings and queens. So I'm adding it as an Alt option.
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Support first option. A speedy
WP:C2D does not apply because the article has been moved recently without discussion. Considering there is not a Maya-specific reason to provide the article with a deviant new title,
WP:C2C should have precedence.
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PS: I'm just nominating 1 "of Germanic descent" cat as a test case to keep it simple. If it succeeds, I'll use it as a precedent for all related "Germanic descent" cats.
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Merge -- English (and more particularly Scottish) soldier served in this war, though neither England nor Scotland was a belligerent, but the one person in this category can easily be placed in the target.
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Keep. I've added the Polish category that was not interwikid and categorized entries based on it. It now has four entries (just like on pl wiki, all articls from pl category exist in pl and en) and I expect few more could be found if we look carefully at biographies of Poles from that period. (Poland was not a participant, but some notable Poles were involved in it as mercenaries and like). Ping
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a single radio station without sufficient volume of spinoff content to warrant an eponymous category. Apart from the eponym itself, the only other thing here is one show that it airs, so it's also a
WP:SMALLCAT -- and judging by its article, the only potential for expansion would involve categorizing individual staffers, which would violate
WP:PERFCAT.
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* Oppose countries with compound names Despite what has been written above, there is no "Consensus at recent cfds" that has definitively and universally "endorsed the 'fooian emigrants to boo' format". That imposition is still being robustly opposed. It certainly has no consensus in the case of those countries with compound names that defy an easy demonym. While their use is to be generally decried, they are particularly useless with multi-ethnic empires, many former countries and countries with compound names. In this instance, I oppose the nominations for Wallis and Futuna, French Polynesia, and French West Indies. Down with the tyranny of demonyms!
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Since no renames are proposed here I wasn't initially sure if this iVote on the right nomination. (If any of the target categories with compound names should be renamed, I'm open minded but that can be in a future nomination.) -
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The
USO is an American charity where celebrities volunteer to entertain troops. According to that main article, during World War II alone, "the USO did 293,738 performances in 208,178 separate visits". The
Robin Williams,
Lucille Ball and
Fred Astaire articles mention this performance in passing while
Judy Garland,
Zac Brown, and
Salma Hayek don't mention it at all. (
Bob Hope is the only one I found defined by the association, but his article is already well linked.) -
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Keep Just because a Category is not complete yet is not a reason to delete. There are many categories that are not complete yet. The names should be added, not the Category deleted.
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Nominator's rationale (literature): Again, apart from
Category:Early Germanic literature, this is mixing up
Category:Literature by country with the predominant native or official language of that country that just so happens to belong to the Germanic language family. Much of, say, Dutch or German or Luxemburgish literature isn't actually written in Dutch, German or Luxemburgish, but Latin, Greek, or French (or nowadays English). E.g.
Category:Books by Desiderius Erasmus are Latin or Greek, but in the Dutch books > Dutch literature tree, and there is nothing "Germanic" about them.
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Delete, it would not be a problem if these categories would contain articles about early Germanic culture, but instead they contain subcategories of post-early Germanic culture which is usually no longer called Germanic.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:C2C following recent CfRs more precisely renaming the subcategories, they are currently all Kings, monarchs, queens, or chiefs. Today someone else also renamed the main article to
Maya Kings and Queens, so
WP:C2D would also apply. I'm not sure it's the best title for the main article, it should certainly be lowercase k and lowercase q. But aside from Maya monarchs as main article title, Maya kings and queens would certainly be compatible with all subcategories. The "chiefs" one were also frequently called "kings", and the "monarch" ones only got that name because there were both kings and queens. So I'm adding it as an Alt option.
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Support first option. A speedy
WP:C2D does not apply because the article has been moved recently without discussion. Considering there is not a Maya-specific reason to provide the article with a deviant new title,
WP:C2C should have precedence.
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PS: I'm just nominating 1 "of Germanic descent" cat as a test case to keep it simple. If it succeeds, I'll use it as a precedent for all related "Germanic descent" cats.
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Merge -- English (and more particularly Scottish) soldier served in this war, though neither England nor Scotland was a belligerent, but the one person in this category can easily be placed in the target.
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Keep. I've added the Polish category that was not interwikid and categorized entries based on it. It now has four entries (just like on pl wiki, all articls from pl category exist in pl and en) and I expect few more could be found if we look carefully at biographies of Poles from that period. (Poland was not a participant, but some notable Poles were involved in it as mercenaries and like). Ping
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a single radio station without sufficient volume of spinoff content to warrant an eponymous category. Apart from the eponym itself, the only other thing here is one show that it airs, so it's also a
WP:SMALLCAT -- and judging by its article, the only potential for expansion would involve categorizing individual staffers, which would violate
WP:PERFCAT.
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* Oppose countries with compound names Despite what has been written above, there is no "Consensus at recent cfds" that has definitively and universally "endorsed the 'fooian emigrants to boo' format". That imposition is still being robustly opposed. It certainly has no consensus in the case of those countries with compound names that defy an easy demonym. While their use is to be generally decried, they are particularly useless with multi-ethnic empires, many former countries and countries with compound names. In this instance, I oppose the nominations for Wallis and Futuna, French Polynesia, and French West Indies. Down with the tyranny of demonyms!
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Since no renames are proposed here I wasn't initially sure if this iVote on the right nomination. (If any of the target categories with compound names should be renamed, I'm open minded but that can be in a future nomination.) -
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The
USO is an American charity where celebrities volunteer to entertain troops. According to that main article, during World War II alone, "the USO did 293,738 performances in 208,178 separate visits". The
Robin Williams,
Lucille Ball and
Fred Astaire articles mention this performance in passing while
Judy Garland,
Zac Brown, and
Salma Hayek don't mention it at all. (
Bob Hope is the only one I found defined by the association, but his article is already well linked.) -
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00:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep Just because a Category is not complete yet is not a reason to delete. There are many categories that are not complete yet. The names should be added, not the Category deleted.
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