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Nominator's rationale: Another subcat of
Category:Nizams of Hyderabad by the same (blocked) editor as the two below, this one contains a city, two regions, and four former regions. Presumably these correspond to the territory formerly ruled by the
Nizam of Hyderabad. I'm not sure what should be done with the category; open to the option of deletion. –
FayenaticLondon20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Unsurprisingly, borders of the Hyderabad princely state varied greatly during the centuries of its existence. An article about this territorial evolution would be more useful than a category.
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Delete. As Marcocapelle points out, we already have this category, which serves as a supercategory for Homophobia and Transphobia (as well as for subcats of prejudice, such as slurs or discrimination). –
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@
Elizium23,
Laurel Lodged,
Roscelese,
Buidhe, and
Hmains: meanwhile some content has been added to this formerly empty category which is well-meant but somewhat problematic. For example Nazism is not entirely about Anti-LGBT sentiment, so I do not think that it is appropriate to add the entire Nazism category here as a subcategory. At best the article the articleNazism should be added to the category. Please share your thoughts about this.
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Nominator's rationale: Poorly defined category of characteristic that is often not defining, and very unlikely to be anywhere near complete. Who is "elderly"? Is there an age range? How many thousands of fictional people qualify?
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Nominator's rationale: merge. This is follow-up on
this earlier discussion in which other editors than me suggested the above merge. Initially I was a bit skeptical about it, until I realized that nonprofit organizations contains nearly all types of organizations except companies and maybe just a few other types. So non-profit organizations is essentially a kind of
WP:OCMISC - "all other organizations".
Something specific needs to be said about the U.S. city subcats. There is quite a substantial number of city subcats in Virginia and Washington (state) where there is no Organizations parent category to merge to for that city. In that case I propose a dual merge to the Organizations category of the state and to the broad city category (or if that does not even exist, to the county). For that purpose I've also listed the top of the U.S. city categories up here as an example.
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09:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I think this is sensible. In USA, as I understand it, there is a legal definition of non-profit, and the term is generally used where in UK we would use the term charity.
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09:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment In the US, "companies" can also mean a lot of legal structures (sole proprietorship, LLCs, public, private held, etc.) and we don't think of those as
WP:OCMISC. Non-profit can contain religious, charity, fraternal, medical, cemetery and those often line up to legal statuses as well. Not sure if the for profit/non-profit divide is defining though nor am I sure how this looks from a non-US perspective.
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Oppose I don't know that much about US categorisations but this sweeping proposal makes no sense to me.
Category:Organisations based in Scotland has 47 sub-cats of which non-profits are but one. The latter has 3 sub-cats of its own and arguably could have more. "Nonprofit organizations contains nearly all types of organizations except companies". Really - how about: Public sector organisations; political parties; unincorporated associations, clubs and societies; criminal organisations; charities; trade unions?
BenMacDui08:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. As a sociologist, I actually teach about that stuff, though my field is new media (ping
User:Pundit, isn't your specialty closer to this?). Anyway, one of the simple divisions of organizations is indeed into non-profit and profit. The logic is imperfect, however, as for example most governmental agencies are technically non-profit but are not called that. Or companies - they technically are
Category:Non-governmental organizations but again when we think NGO we don't think Coca-Cola or Samsung are NGOs, we explicitly assume they are non-profit. But non-profit is not the same as non-commercial. This is a complex issue with blurry boundaries, and in the end, since we have an article for
Nonprofit organization I think it deserves its own category tree. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here02:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)reply
For the same reason that these should go. Negatively defined categories get filled up with all sorts of things that dont belong there. Just go and have a look before i empty it again.
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09:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose, because I think the current problem is that some of the contents of the "Non-profit organizations" e.g. colleges, universities, art galleries are profit making so are mis-categorized. There are clearly organizatoions that are profit making that aren't companies.
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10:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Colleges, universities and art galleries (and many similar sorts of organization) have their own categories and are not affected by this nomination.
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Nominator's rationale: Not all of the articles in the category are about regiments, there are artillery batteries and a company in there too, which are not regiments.
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oppose Categories do not get deleted because they contain some inapt content; they get pruned and other categories get created
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Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame was established in 1993 to honor Canadians active in auto racing. The organization seems fairly obscure and the articles are already Most of these articles mention the award in passing with other awards, with some exceptions that mention it in the lede or not at all. (Most the articles are so short there's no difference between the body and the intro though.) The contents of the category are already listified
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Nominator's rationale: Another subcat of
Category:Nizams of Hyderabad by the same (blocked) editor as the two below, this one contains a city, two regions, and four former regions. Presumably these correspond to the territory formerly ruled by the
Nizam of Hyderabad. I'm not sure what should be done with the category; open to the option of deletion. –
FayenaticLondon20:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Unsurprisingly, borders of the Hyderabad princely state varied greatly during the centuries of its existence. An article about this territorial evolution would be more useful than a category.
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Delete. As Marcocapelle points out, we already have this category, which serves as a supercategory for Homophobia and Transphobia (as well as for subcats of prejudice, such as slurs or discrimination). –
Roscelese (
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03:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Elizium23,
Laurel Lodged,
Roscelese,
Buidhe, and
Hmains: meanwhile some content has been added to this formerly empty category which is well-meant but somewhat problematic. For example Nazism is not entirely about Anti-LGBT sentiment, so I do not think that it is appropriate to add the entire Nazism category here as a subcategory. At best the article the articleNazism should be added to the category. Please share your thoughts about this.
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Nominator's rationale: Poorly defined category of characteristic that is often not defining, and very unlikely to be anywhere near complete. Who is "elderly"? Is there an age range? How many thousands of fictional people qualify?
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Nominator's rationale: merge. This is follow-up on
this earlier discussion in which other editors than me suggested the above merge. Initially I was a bit skeptical about it, until I realized that nonprofit organizations contains nearly all types of organizations except companies and maybe just a few other types. So non-profit organizations is essentially a kind of
WP:OCMISC - "all other organizations".
Something specific needs to be said about the U.S. city subcats. There is quite a substantial number of city subcats in Virginia and Washington (state) where there is no Organizations parent category to merge to for that city. In that case I propose a dual merge to the Organizations category of the state and to the broad city category (or if that does not even exist, to the county). For that purpose I've also listed the top of the U.S. city categories up here as an example.
Marcocapelle (
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09:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I think this is sensible. In USA, as I understand it, there is a legal definition of non-profit, and the term is generally used where in UK we would use the term charity.
Rathfelder (
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09:38, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment In the US, "companies" can also mean a lot of legal structures (sole proprietorship, LLCs, public, private held, etc.) and we don't think of those as
WP:OCMISC. Non-profit can contain religious, charity, fraternal, medical, cemetery and those often line up to legal statuses as well. Not sure if the for profit/non-profit divide is defining though nor am I sure how this looks from a non-US perspective.
RevelationDirect (
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10:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose I don't know that much about US categorisations but this sweeping proposal makes no sense to me.
Category:Organisations based in Scotland has 47 sub-cats of which non-profits are but one. The latter has 3 sub-cats of its own and arguably could have more. "Nonprofit organizations contains nearly all types of organizations except companies". Really - how about: Public sector organisations; political parties; unincorporated associations, clubs and societies; criminal organisations; charities; trade unions?
BenMacDui08:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. As a sociologist, I actually teach about that stuff, though my field is new media (ping
User:Pundit, isn't your specialty closer to this?). Anyway, one of the simple divisions of organizations is indeed into non-profit and profit. The logic is imperfect, however, as for example most governmental agencies are technically non-profit but are not called that. Or companies - they technically are
Category:Non-governmental organizations but again when we think NGO we don't think Coca-Cola or Samsung are NGOs, we explicitly assume they are non-profit. But non-profit is not the same as non-commercial. This is a complex issue with blurry boundaries, and in the end, since we have an article for
Nonprofit organization I think it deserves its own category tree. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here02:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)reply
For the same reason that these should go. Negatively defined categories get filled up with all sorts of things that dont belong there. Just go and have a look before i empty it again.
Rathfelder (
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09:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose, because I think the current problem is that some of the contents of the "Non-profit organizations" e.g. colleges, universities, art galleries are profit making so are mis-categorized. There are clearly organizatoions that are profit making that aren't companies.
Sionk (
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10:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Colleges, universities and art galleries (and many similar sorts of organization) have their own categories and are not affected by this nomination.
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15:37, 17 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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oppose Categories do not get deleted because they contain some inapt content; they get pruned and other categories get created
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Category:Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame inductees
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