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Xxx of the University of California, Los Angeles
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I propose renaming these awkward two-part category names. The comma kind of separates "Los Angeles" from "University of California", while there is no comma between "Los Angeles" and the rest. Recasting the category names seems to be a better alternative.
HandsomeFella (
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21:31, 24 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: There are indeed more categories like that, but I didn't look forward to the prospect of tagging all of them in a request that might fail. If it goes through though, I will tag them. There are also existing categories with the proposed format, for instance all subcategories in
Category:University of Montana. The reason I propose the other format is the awkwardness of the existing format (even without the comma), which is actually advised against in some style guides.
HandsomeFella (
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11:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)reply
As I mentioned above, all (direct) subcategories in Category:University of Montana are in the proposed format. Not Alumni of though (which is a subcat to the People of subcat).
HandsomeFella (
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19:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep - we have a working system with University of Foo stuff that is working well and pretty universal, although it is not entirely standardized, mostly due to the resistence of United Kingdom categories which follow their own conventions. I agree its a bit awkward with the coma in the middle, but the various campuses of UC are so universally known that nobody's surprised. Plus if we renamed these categories, they would be eligible to speedy renaming the other way per
WP:C2C. And we have
Category:University of Montana faculty and
Category:University of Montana alumni. We also have
Category:University of the People people, which is quite nice.
Place Clichy (
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19:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: None of those you are mentioning are two-part names. Keep is not an option, because the current names violate
WP:Copyediting#Punctuation. Either we insert the comma – an alternative suggested by Oculi above – or we recast the category names. Regarding C2C, remember
WP:CONSENSUSCANCHANGE. Even if something was agreed upon way back when because it seemed to be a good idea at the time, if it's later found to be not such a good idea, or that there are cases that people did not think of then, and that do not fit the pattern that was agreed upon, a new consensus can emerge.
HandsomeFella (
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06:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. I do a lot of alumni related categorization. The overwhelming majority of American schools are using the Alumni of xyz titles. There is no reason why it should change, especially for just one university. There is no compelling reason to change. Seems like the reason boils down to someone’s preference for one away over the other. If it is changes, to be consistent, change the hundreds of other alumni categories for all other schools from high school up.
MensanDeltiologist (
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14:37, 27 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. We currently have largely standardized on "Alumni of ..." for the UK and some former colonies, and "... alumni" for the US and most other places, just as we have "Academics of ..." and "... faculty" with roughly the same geographic distribution. If we're going to deal with this dichotomy, doing it piecemeal on an institution-by-institution basis is not the way. And in general it's probably much less painful to cite
WP:ENGVAR and leave well enough alone. —
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00:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Health blogs
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Nominator's rationale: This category is almost empty now, only consisting of the main article
Dinobots and one article about an individual Dinobot,
Grimlock. Therefore it's pretty much useless to keep this category around any more. Delete this.
JIP |
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Category:Language-oriented digital libraries
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Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful intermediate category. Most libraries, digital or not, are "Language-oriented". This category did not include very much, and in particular nothing oriented towards English. I've now established categories for digital libraries by country, and, unsurprisingly, the libraries are all focused on the native language of their country, apart from the ancient languages. And Cuneiform, which isnt a language. All the articles are in at least one other digital library category.
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09:30, 24 October 2019 (UTC)reply
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Xxx of the University of California, Los Angeles
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I propose renaming these awkward two-part category names. The comma kind of separates "Los Angeles" from "University of California", while there is no comma between "Los Angeles" and the rest. Recasting the category names seems to be a better alternative.
HandsomeFella (
talk)
21:31, 24 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: There are indeed more categories like that, but I didn't look forward to the prospect of tagging all of them in a request that might fail. If it goes through though, I will tag them. There are also existing categories with the proposed format, for instance all subcategories in
Category:University of Montana. The reason I propose the other format is the awkwardness of the existing format (even without the comma), which is actually advised against in some style guides.
HandsomeFella (
talk)
11:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)reply
As I mentioned above, all (direct) subcategories in Category:University of Montana are in the proposed format. Not Alumni of though (which is a subcat to the People of subcat).
HandsomeFella (
talk)
19:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep - we have a working system with University of Foo stuff that is working well and pretty universal, although it is not entirely standardized, mostly due to the resistence of United Kingdom categories which follow their own conventions. I agree its a bit awkward with the coma in the middle, but the various campuses of UC are so universally known that nobody's surprised. Plus if we renamed these categories, they would be eligible to speedy renaming the other way per
WP:C2C. And we have
Category:University of Montana faculty and
Category:University of Montana alumni. We also have
Category:University of the People people, which is quite nice.
Place Clichy (
talk)
19:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment: None of those you are mentioning are two-part names. Keep is not an option, because the current names violate
WP:Copyediting#Punctuation. Either we insert the comma – an alternative suggested by Oculi above – or we recast the category names. Regarding C2C, remember
WP:CONSENSUSCANCHANGE. Even if something was agreed upon way back when because it seemed to be a good idea at the time, if it's later found to be not such a good idea, or that there are cases that people did not think of then, and that do not fit the pattern that was agreed upon, a new consensus can emerge.
HandsomeFella (
talk)
06:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. I do a lot of alumni related categorization. The overwhelming majority of American schools are using the Alumni of xyz titles. There is no reason why it should change, especially for just one university. There is no compelling reason to change. Seems like the reason boils down to someone’s preference for one away over the other. If it is changes, to be consistent, change the hundreds of other alumni categories for all other schools from high school up.
MensanDeltiologist (
talk)
14:37, 27 October 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. We currently have largely standardized on "Alumni of ..." for the UK and some former colonies, and "... alumni" for the US and most other places, just as we have "Academics of ..." and "... faculty" with roughly the same geographic distribution. If we're going to deal with this dichotomy, doing it piecemeal on an institution-by-institution basis is not the way. And in general it's probably much less painful to cite
WP:ENGVAR and leave well enough alone. —
David Eppstein (
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00:46, 29 October 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Health blogs
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Nominator's rationale: This category is almost empty now, only consisting of the main article
Dinobots and one article about an individual Dinobot,
Grimlock. Therefore it's pretty much useless to keep this category around any more. Delete this.
JIP |
Talk13:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Language-oriented digital libraries
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Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful intermediate category. Most libraries, digital or not, are "Language-oriented". This category did not include very much, and in particular nothing oriented towards English. I've now established categories for digital libraries by country, and, unsurprisingly, the libraries are all focused on the native language of their country, apart from the ancient languages. And Cuneiform, which isnt a language. All the articles are in at least one other digital library category.
Rathfelder (
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09:30, 24 October 2019 (UTC)reply
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