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The result of the discussion was:delete. —
JJMC89 (
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Nominator's rationale: The Sasanid empire was destroyed in 651. There are no monarchs after that date.
DrKay (
talk) 19:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Makes no sense to have this when the Sasanian Empire fell in 651. User who created this category keeps adding Sasanian monarchs categories to post-651 exiled Sasanian princes as well. --
HistoryofIran (
talk) 19:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Sasanian dynasty was not over in 651.
Peroz III served as "head of the Governorate of Iran, an exiled extension of the Sassanid court.", and successors are mentioned until 710.
Dimadick (
talk) 19:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
They weren't monarchs though, they were exiled princes at best. They didn't rule anything. There's always gonna be a bunch of royals who try to restore the rule of their fallen dynasty, doesn't make them a monarch though. There is a reason Yazdegerd III is called the last Sasanian king
[1]. --
HistoryofIran (
talk) 19:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Category has been emptied for a while now. LizRead!Talk! 02:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Liz: Feel free to close the discussion.
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Category:Miyazaki, Miyazaki
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Timrollpickering (
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Support. The present article title is in compliance with
WP:JPPLACE, which was updated a few months ago with consensus. I foresee that this article will remain at its present title as long as JPPLACE does not change.
feminist (
talk) 08:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, unless someone starts an RM on the article name.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:47, 5 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Support I'm not crazy about the main article name but an RM is the right venue for that. The category should match the main article to aid navigatio, per
WP:C2D.
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Category:Retired YouTubers
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Nominator's rationale: unnecessary cat, not defining.
Störm(talk) 09:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. We don't categorise people by whether they are still active in a particular field (e.g., there's no
Category:Retired basketball players or
Category:Retired politicians, as it's not always possible to tell when they've finished, and it would mean constant updating of people who go into or come out of retirement.
Grutness...wha? 11:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Our categories usually do not distinguish between currently active people and their predecessors.
Dimadick (
talk) 16:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete as above.
Nigej (
talk) 10:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per above; "Retired" is invalid.
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Category:Insurgents
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Nominator's rationale: Small category. No obvious difference between insurgents and the much better populated category of rebels. Insurgents seem generally to be armed rebels, but most of the existing categorised rebels were armed.
Rathfelder (
talk) 08:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. The category is currently part of
Category:Insurgencies, alongside e.g.
Category:Insurgent groups. The article
Insurgency gives a definition, "An insurgency is a rebellion against authority (for example, an authority recognized as such by the United Nations) when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerents (lawful combatants)"; this seems sufficient to make a
WP:Defining distinction. If we are keeping
Category:Insurgencies within
Category:Rebellions by type, then it seems appropriate to keep Category:Insurgents within
Category:Rebels by type. In other words, I would only support this merge if the whole tree was being merged; and I do not think there are sufficient grounds to do so. –
FayenaticLondon 13:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't see how the definition of an insurgency distinguishes it from a rebellion. Not all rebellions are violent, but most of them are, and most of the many articles about rebels are about people who used violence. Unless we are going to recategorise them all as insurgents this categorisation is misleading. Rebel is the term commonly used.
Rathfelder (
talk) 13:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: To me the distinction is not very clear either. Can you give some examples of rebels who are/were not insurgents?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 23:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The article
Insurgency explains the distinction. Insurgents, as
unlawful combatants, have fewer protections under the Geneva Conventions – it can be legal to execute them if captured, whereas lawful
combatants should be detained as POWs.
The article says in terms "An insurgency is a rebellion against authority". It goes on to distinguish insurgencies from non-violent rebellions. So all insurgents are rebels. Our categories at present do not make this clear. The vast majority of people categorised as rebels were violent, or at least were prepared to be violent. But their violent rebellions are not categorised as insurgencies. There are only 6 individuals characterised as insurgents. 2 are also categorised as rebels. One does not appear to be a rebel at all. Other people involved in the same rebellions are categorised as rebels. The rebellions in which they were involved are not described or categorised as insurgencies.
Rathfelder (
talk) 23:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)reply
All insurgents are rebels, but not all rebels are insurgents. If none at all of the current contents are members of groups categorised in
Category:Insurgent groups, or otherwise demonstrably worth categorising as insurgents, I would not oppose a merger as
WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. without prejudice to re-creating it if articles are created for notable members of insurgent groups.
For the record, the current members of the category are:
Category:Islamist insurgents – maybe not all its members are really insurgents, but how about relisting this nomination and adding this sub-category as well?
If this is not relisted, then at least one sub-cat is called "insurgents" and three member pages are currently described in their lead paragraph as insurgents. For these at least, being insurgent seems
WP:DEFINING. Those amount to sufficient content to keep the category. I would not object to a purge by re-categorising some of the other contents into more appropriate categories. –
FayenaticLondon 21:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Category:Islamist insurgents includes some big categories, but the word insurgent seems to be used in a different sense in that context. I think it could survive without this as a parent. What I don't like is a category which appears to be saying these 5 (Because I don't think North qualifies at all) are in some way to be distinguished from all the other rebels.
Rathfelder (
talk) 21:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: If relisted including the subcategory, would you then propose renaming the subcategory from insurgents to rebels?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Looking at the contents, I don't think that "rebels" would be appropriate. It contains biographies of Islamists who have been designated as terrorists by various authorities. It seems to me that the "Islamist insurgents" category belongs in the terrorism hierarchy (where it is) and should be renamed accordingly, perhaps as "Islamists designated as terrorists."
OK, as that sub-category should be renamed, then I withdraw my opposition to renaming the parent nominated here, as
WP:SOFTDELETE. It does not appear to contain members of
Category:Insurgent groups after all, and has too few
WP:DEFINING insurgents to be kept separate from rebels. –
FayenaticLondon 22:31, 6 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Former Sri Lankan Roman Catholics
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The result of the discussion was:merge. ~
Rob13Talk 04:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Propose mergingCategory:Former Sri Lankan Roman Catholics into
Category:Former Roman Catholics. Rather needless fork, per
WP:TRIVIALCAT and
WP:SMALLCAT. We don't have former Roman Catholics from country X for a couple or reasons, too narrow in scope, as well as these categories tend to be fit as daughter categories of
Category:Former Christians by nationality. However about half of all former Catholics join other branches of Christianity (
source) so labeling them as "Former Christians" is a bit of a misdemeanor.
The only other article that I came across that could possibly fit in this category is
Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero, however according to the article his family left Catholicism when he was only a few months old meaning he never formally practiced the religion, as well as the fact that the text mentioning this is unsourced and was
removed a short while ago. Catholics make a small part of Sri Lanka's population so it is unlikely there would be many more articles to populate this category.
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Category:Real Madrid presidents
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Matthew hk (
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Speedy rename per
WP:C2D. I nominated the other subcats at CFDS
[2], but omitted this one because I wasn't sure whethet it realted only to the football club. Meant to go back and check, but forgot.
Since the nom shows that this is only for the football section, then it qualifies under C2D. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 03:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
BrownHairedGirl:Real Madrid CF is the main article for the multi-sport club and the football section. Technically they are the presidents for Real Madrid Baloncesto too. But since the list was located in the article title with CF suffix, so may be the cat should follow the convention too.
Matthew hk (
talk) 05:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename as above.
GiantSnowman 09:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree makes sense per other moves that have happened and keeps the naming convention in the same pattern.
Govvy (
talk) 13:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Rename per content of the category, request close --
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Category:US officers of Georgian descent
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Nominator's rationale: per
WP:OCEGRS. I see no indication that "US military officers of Georgian descent" is a valid encyclopedic topic, and there are no other categories of US military officers by descent.
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 00:56, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Those sub categories have structural purpose. I don't see any reason to remove them. Merging at best.
PS: They all serve to expand on the list of Georgians, in this case American people of Georgian (country) descent
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 03:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The reason to remove them is the long-standing guidance against irrelevant intersections, at
WP:OCEGRS.
Categories and lists are separate devices. A category does not "expand on" a list, or vice versa. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 04:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The crucial issue here is
WP:OCEGRS. Do you have evidence that an encyclopedic head article could be written on the topic of "US military officers of Georgian descent"? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 04:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
It are sub categories specificaly for people of military occupation, from the country of Georgia and of Georgian descend
Category:Military commanders from Georgia (country). Among those happen to be people who served in the US. To maintain a structure and overview, those two were created. I don't see that as redundant.
To editor
TheMightyGeneral:. The point is that we don't categorise by the intersection of unrelated attributes, unless (per
WP:OCEGRS) that intersection is an encyclopedic topic. Please do take the time to read
WP:OCEGRS. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl:. I explained my rationale several times now and my reason for better structure and technicality has nothing to do with personal perferences. Please do take the time to read
WP:ILIKEIT.
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 02:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: Your rationale is not founded in categorisation policy or guideline, and specifically flouts
WP:OCEGRS. WP:IKEIT specifically refers to "this section covers deletion arguments based on personal biases rather than policies or gudelines", which is exactly what you are arguing here. You have personal interest in the intersection between Georgia and the US military, but since you have no policy- or guideline basis, your position is pure ILIKEIT. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 02:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: Sorry, but you don't seem to understand what the term "bias" means, because my rationale has nothing to do with that. My position is as far off from
WP:ILIKEIT as it can be. Please take your time to educate yourself on the terms you use, such as
Bias. I already stated my reason, rationale and position on this. I don't see further need to discuss this. If it's decided to be deleted, than it is so.
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 18:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
TheMightyGeneral: you have offered no policy- or guideline-based reason. That's how WP:ILIKEIT is defined.
And some day, I do hope that you find the maturity to refrain from personal attacks. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 23:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: But you are wrong, and also
WP:OCEGRS was never up to debate. I stated my reason regardless, which is everyone's right and that is not up to debate either. What you're doing right now has zero value. I have in no way attacked your person. Such accusation requires evidence and you should probably familiarize yourself with
WP:NPA, as with aforementioned terms, due to poor application. Please, take your own advice to heart, admin or not, and before everything else, refrain from making baseless accusations about other editors. Same with insults and derogatory comments. All it does is building resentment and hostility. Have a nice day.
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 07:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)reply
take your time to educate yourself is a personal attack. As above, I do hope that you find the maturity to refrain from personal attacks. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 07:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: I am sorry you feel that way, but no, it's not, and I think I would know a thing or two about that. What you are doing however, making assumptions about a person's maturity, could very well be perceived as such by others. Not to mention false accusation is inapropriate and against the guidelines. Once again, you'd be well advised to read
WP:NPA and refrain from that, as it's no way constructive. Same with wrong application of terms. That is an observation and constructive criticism, not a "personal attack".
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 07:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete OK if it was people from/born in Georgia; but descended from someone who was from/born there?
Nigej (
talk) 19:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Nigej: No, not even OK then. Binational or migrant generals are, as far as I know, not an encyclopaedic field of study.
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The result of the discussion was:delete. —
JJMC89 (
T·C) 23:44, 18 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The Sasanid empire was destroyed in 651. There are no monarchs after that date.
DrKay (
talk) 19:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Makes no sense to have this when the Sasanian Empire fell in 651. User who created this category keeps adding Sasanian monarchs categories to post-651 exiled Sasanian princes as well. --
HistoryofIran (
talk) 19:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Sasanian dynasty was not over in 651.
Peroz III served as "head of the Governorate of Iran, an exiled extension of the Sassanid court.", and successors are mentioned until 710.
Dimadick (
talk) 19:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
They weren't monarchs though, they were exiled princes at best. They didn't rule anything. There's always gonna be a bunch of royals who try to restore the rule of their fallen dynasty, doesn't make them a monarch though. There is a reason Yazdegerd III is called the last Sasanian king
[1]. --
HistoryofIran (
talk) 19:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Category has been emptied for a while now. LizRead!Talk! 02:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Liz: Feel free to close the discussion.
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Category:Miyazaki, Miyazaki
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Timrollpickering (
Talk) 23:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. The present article title is in compliance with
WP:JPPLACE, which was updated a few months ago with consensus. I foresee that this article will remain at its present title as long as JPPLACE does not change.
feminist (
talk) 08:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per nom, unless someone starts an RM on the article name.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:47, 5 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Support I'm not crazy about the main article name but an RM is the right venue for that. The category should match the main article to aid navigatio, per
WP:C2D.
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Category:Retired YouTubers
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Nominator's rationale: unnecessary cat, not defining.
Störm(talk) 09:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. We don't categorise people by whether they are still active in a particular field (e.g., there's no
Category:Retired basketball players or
Category:Retired politicians, as it's not always possible to tell when they've finished, and it would mean constant updating of people who go into or come out of retirement.
Grutness...wha? 11:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Our categories usually do not distinguish between currently active people and their predecessors.
Dimadick (
talk) 16:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete as above.
Nigej (
talk) 10:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per above; "Retired" is invalid.
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Category:Insurgents
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Nominator's rationale: Small category. No obvious difference between insurgents and the much better populated category of rebels. Insurgents seem generally to be armed rebels, but most of the existing categorised rebels were armed.
Rathfelder (
talk) 08:18, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. The category is currently part of
Category:Insurgencies, alongside e.g.
Category:Insurgent groups. The article
Insurgency gives a definition, "An insurgency is a rebellion against authority (for example, an authority recognized as such by the United Nations) when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerents (lawful combatants)"; this seems sufficient to make a
WP:Defining distinction. If we are keeping
Category:Insurgencies within
Category:Rebellions by type, then it seems appropriate to keep Category:Insurgents within
Category:Rebels by type. In other words, I would only support this merge if the whole tree was being merged; and I do not think there are sufficient grounds to do so. –
FayenaticLondon 13:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't see how the definition of an insurgency distinguishes it from a rebellion. Not all rebellions are violent, but most of them are, and most of the many articles about rebels are about people who used violence. Unless we are going to recategorise them all as insurgents this categorisation is misleading. Rebel is the term commonly used.
Rathfelder (
talk) 13:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: To me the distinction is not very clear either. Can you give some examples of rebels who are/were not insurgents?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 23:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The article
Insurgency explains the distinction. Insurgents, as
unlawful combatants, have fewer protections under the Geneva Conventions – it can be legal to execute them if captured, whereas lawful
combatants should be detained as POWs.
The article says in terms "An insurgency is a rebellion against authority". It goes on to distinguish insurgencies from non-violent rebellions. So all insurgents are rebels. Our categories at present do not make this clear. The vast majority of people categorised as rebels were violent, or at least were prepared to be violent. But their violent rebellions are not categorised as insurgencies. There are only 6 individuals characterised as insurgents. 2 are also categorised as rebels. One does not appear to be a rebel at all. Other people involved in the same rebellions are categorised as rebels. The rebellions in which they were involved are not described or categorised as insurgencies.
Rathfelder (
talk) 23:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)reply
All insurgents are rebels, but not all rebels are insurgents. If none at all of the current contents are members of groups categorised in
Category:Insurgent groups, or otherwise demonstrably worth categorising as insurgents, I would not oppose a merger as
WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. without prejudice to re-creating it if articles are created for notable members of insurgent groups.
For the record, the current members of the category are:
Category:Islamist insurgents – maybe not all its members are really insurgents, but how about relisting this nomination and adding this sub-category as well?
If this is not relisted, then at least one sub-cat is called "insurgents" and three member pages are currently described in their lead paragraph as insurgents. For these at least, being insurgent seems
WP:DEFINING. Those amount to sufficient content to keep the category. I would not object to a purge by re-categorising some of the other contents into more appropriate categories. –
FayenaticLondon 21:12, 24 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Category:Islamist insurgents includes some big categories, but the word insurgent seems to be used in a different sense in that context. I think it could survive without this as a parent. What I don't like is a category which appears to be saying these 5 (Because I don't think North qualifies at all) are in some way to be distinguished from all the other rebels.
Rathfelder (
talk) 21:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: If relisted including the subcategory, would you then propose renaming the subcategory from insurgents to rebels?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Looking at the contents, I don't think that "rebels" would be appropriate. It contains biographies of Islamists who have been designated as terrorists by various authorities. It seems to me that the "Islamist insurgents" category belongs in the terrorism hierarchy (where it is) and should be renamed accordingly, perhaps as "Islamists designated as terrorists."
OK, as that sub-category should be renamed, then I withdraw my opposition to renaming the parent nominated here, as
WP:SOFTDELETE. It does not appear to contain members of
Category:Insurgent groups after all, and has too few
WP:DEFINING insurgents to be kept separate from rebels. –
FayenaticLondon 22:31, 6 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Former Sri Lankan Roman Catholics
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The result of the discussion was:merge. ~
Rob13Talk 04:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Propose mergingCategory:Former Sri Lankan Roman Catholics into
Category:Former Roman Catholics. Rather needless fork, per
WP:TRIVIALCAT and
WP:SMALLCAT. We don't have former Roman Catholics from country X for a couple or reasons, too narrow in scope, as well as these categories tend to be fit as daughter categories of
Category:Former Christians by nationality. However about half of all former Catholics join other branches of Christianity (
source) so labeling them as "Former Christians" is a bit of a misdemeanor.
The only other article that I came across that could possibly fit in this category is
Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero, however according to the article his family left Catholicism when he was only a few months old meaning he never formally practiced the religion, as well as the fact that the text mentioning this is unsourced and was
removed a short while ago. Catholics make a small part of Sri Lanka's population so it is unlikely there would be many more articles to populate this category.
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Category:Real Madrid presidents
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Matthew hk (
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Speedy rename per
WP:C2D. I nominated the other subcats at CFDS
[2], but omitted this one because I wasn't sure whethet it realted only to the football club. Meant to go back and check, but forgot.
Since the nom shows that this is only for the football section, then it qualifies under C2D. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 03:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
BrownHairedGirl:Real Madrid CF is the main article for the multi-sport club and the football section. Technically they are the presidents for Real Madrid Baloncesto too. But since the list was located in the article title with CF suffix, so may be the cat should follow the convention too.
Matthew hk (
talk) 05:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename as above.
GiantSnowman 09:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Agree makes sense per other moves that have happened and keeps the naming convention in the same pattern.
Govvy (
talk) 13:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Rename per content of the category, request close --
DannyS712 (
talk) 04:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:US officers of Georgian descent
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Nominator's rationale: per
WP:OCEGRS. I see no indication that "US military officers of Georgian descent" is a valid encyclopedic topic, and there are no other categories of US military officers by descent.
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 00:56, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Those sub categories have structural purpose. I don't see any reason to remove them. Merging at best.
PS: They all serve to expand on the list of Georgians, in this case American people of Georgian (country) descent
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 03:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The reason to remove them is the long-standing guidance against irrelevant intersections, at
WP:OCEGRS.
Categories and lists are separate devices. A category does not "expand on" a list, or vice versa. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 04:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The crucial issue here is
WP:OCEGRS. Do you have evidence that an encyclopedic head article could be written on the topic of "US military officers of Georgian descent"? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 04:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
It are sub categories specificaly for people of military occupation, from the country of Georgia and of Georgian descend
Category:Military commanders from Georgia (country). Among those happen to be people who served in the US. To maintain a structure and overview, those two were created. I don't see that as redundant.
To editor
TheMightyGeneral:. The point is that we don't categorise by the intersection of unrelated attributes, unless (per
WP:OCEGRS) that intersection is an encyclopedic topic. Please do take the time to read
WP:OCEGRS. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl:. I explained my rationale several times now and my reason for better structure and technicality has nothing to do with personal perferences. Please do take the time to read
WP:ILIKEIT.
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 02:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: Your rationale is not founded in categorisation policy or guideline, and specifically flouts
WP:OCEGRS. WP:IKEIT specifically refers to "this section covers deletion arguments based on personal biases rather than policies or gudelines", which is exactly what you are arguing here. You have personal interest in the intersection between Georgia and the US military, but since you have no policy- or guideline basis, your position is pure ILIKEIT. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 02:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: Sorry, but you don't seem to understand what the term "bias" means, because my rationale has nothing to do with that. My position is as far off from
WP:ILIKEIT as it can be. Please take your time to educate yourself on the terms you use, such as
Bias. I already stated my reason, rationale and position on this. I don't see further need to discuss this. If it's decided to be deleted, than it is so.
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 18:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
TheMightyGeneral: you have offered no policy- or guideline-based reason. That's how WP:ILIKEIT is defined.
And some day, I do hope that you find the maturity to refrain from personal attacks. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 23:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: But you are wrong, and also
WP:OCEGRS was never up to debate. I stated my reason regardless, which is everyone's right and that is not up to debate either. What you're doing right now has zero value. I have in no way attacked your person. Such accusation requires evidence and you should probably familiarize yourself with
WP:NPA, as with aforementioned terms, due to poor application. Please, take your own advice to heart, admin or not, and before everything else, refrain from making baseless accusations about other editors. Same with insults and derogatory comments. All it does is building resentment and hostility. Have a nice day.
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 07:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)reply
take your time to educate yourself is a personal attack. As above, I do hope that you find the maturity to refrain from personal attacks. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 07:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)reply
To editor
BrownHairedGirl: I am sorry you feel that way, but no, it's not, and I think I would know a thing or two about that. What you are doing however, making assumptions about a person's maturity, could very well be perceived as such by others. Not to mention false accusation is inapropriate and against the guidelines. Once again, you'd be well advised to read
WP:NPA and refrain from that, as it's no way constructive. Same with wrong application of terms. That is an observation and constructive criticism, not a "personal attack".
TheMightyGeneral (
talk) 07:57, 16 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete OK if it was people from/born in Georgia; but descended from someone who was from/born there?
Nigej (
talk) 19:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Nigej: No, not even OK then. Binational or migrant generals are, as far as I know, not an encyclopaedic field of study.
Place Clichy (
talk) 20:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)reply
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