Category:Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency in fiction
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Delete -- Allusions to things in popular culture are trivia that were deleted long since. As far as I can tell the four articles in the category are primarily about American operations, though the Pakistan ISI may well be referred to. If we had an article on a book or film that was primarily about the fictional operations of ISI, my vote would be the reverse.
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Nominator's rationale: The category text and the parent categories indicate that this is a category for articles about fictional characters, but the category doesn't contain any such articles - it contains articles about (real life) actors (who are already in plenty of categories). DexDor(talk)20:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete We don't categorize actors by the type of characters they played. Categories about elves, and dwarves should not include the actors who played them either.
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains only one thing - a category which is also the parent of this category - that's not good categorization. DexDor(talk)20:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Prime meridians
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Oppose: It is used to categorize explicitly designated by an authority landmarks that are prime meridians, for instance International Astronomical Union-designated prime meridians, etc. Cleethorpes is not recognized, Greenwich, Ariadne, Hun Kal, and Airy-0 are recognized for Earth, Venus, Mercury, and Mars, respectively, by EVERY authority.
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That renamed category wouldn't be so bad (it still needs at least one parent category though), but if
Greenwich is defined by being a place defining a prime meridian then why not (also)
London or
Royal Observatory? - i.e. this is attempting to create a list in category space. DexDor(talk)06:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Useless categories
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Nominator's rationale: This category has no parents and afaics has no pages telling editors to place pages in this category or to check the contents of this category so it is itself a useless category... DexDor(talk)19:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete -- It is itself a useless category. The right course of action for useless categories is to bring them to CFD, not to give them this as a parent!
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Category:Interquel films
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Category:Sequel films since all interquels, midquels, prequels, and regular postquels, are all versions of sequels (films released after the original film release). Their status as preceding / succeeding / replacing / parallelling / interceding / etc the original film in the in-universe timeline is an WP:INUNIVERSE consideration which we should not be categorizing under. Indeed we would need to make value judgements as to what is what, since some films have pre-credit scenes that precede events in prequels, and denouement scenes that postdate events in sequels / etc ad infinitum. --
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Support the last person's vote. Sequel has a meaning - derived from the Latin sequor 'I follow'. The rest are invented words, by those lacking a classical education who seem to imagine that the "qu" has some significance on its own.
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Delete per
WP:CAT#General conventions, which refers to
WP:AT, which says, "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject." This term is not used in reliable sources and does not warrant being used in a category's name. I can change my stance, but from what I see, the term isn't more than a neologism.
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Category:When Heaven Burns
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Delete -- This is about a TV series. If it should gain more articles, we will probably want to merge them back to the main article. This is what usually happen when we start getting articles on characters or episodes.
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Category:Centrally funded Technical Institutions other than IITs and NITs in India
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The result of the discussion was:delete. If anyone wants to attempt a categorization of these institutions based on a positive rather than a negative characteristic, it could be done.Good Ol’factory(talk)01:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Long-distance footpaths in the United Kingdom
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Keep -- The category is named according to UK usage. It would not surprise me in the term does not come from legislation. There are no "hiking trails" in UK, we call them footpaths.
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Category:Long-distance trails in the Republic of Ireland
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Keep -- Local usage should apply. Calling it "hiking" is an Americanism that has no place in Europe. Furthermore, we should not be renaming RoI categories to Ireland, save (exceptionally) where something operates on an all-Ireland basis or it refers to pre-partition Ireland.
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Category:Hiking and tramping tracks in New Zealand
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Do not rename. New Zealanders only ever talk of hiking trails when they are talking to a foreigner, so that they can be understood. Among themselves, it would only ever be a tramping track. Hence, the category name that we have should work both for New Zealanders, as well well as editors from outside of New Zealand. Schwede6609:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Polish Tourist Trails
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*Oppose -- Hiking trails is an Americanism, which is being applied in places where that is an alien culture. I see no objection to retaining the parent name, but it should not be applied elsewhere. The UK & Ireland items do not confirm to the standard, and with good reason.
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It has been pointed out to me that the nom is Polish. If he thinks this is appropriate usage, I am not going to oppose a change in this case, but that should not apply to English-speaking countries where there is an appropriate local term - GB Ireland and NZ.
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rename per nom The WP category tree is 'hiking trail'; there is no argument that Poland here must keep a separate name--noises to the contrary notwithstanding
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Category:Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency in fiction
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Delete -- Allusions to things in popular culture are trivia that were deleted long since. As far as I can tell the four articles in the category are primarily about American operations, though the Pakistan ISI may well be referred to. If we had an article on a book or film that was primarily about the fictional operations of ISI, my vote would be the reverse.
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Nominator's rationale: The category text and the parent categories indicate that this is a category for articles about fictional characters, but the category doesn't contain any such articles - it contains articles about (real life) actors (who are already in plenty of categories). DexDor(talk)20:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete We don't categorize actors by the type of characters they played. Categories about elves, and dwarves should not include the actors who played them either.
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains only one thing - a category which is also the parent of this category - that's not good categorization. DexDor(talk)20:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Prime meridians
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Oppose: It is used to categorize explicitly designated by an authority landmarks that are prime meridians, for instance International Astronomical Union-designated prime meridians, etc. Cleethorpes is not recognized, Greenwich, Ariadne, Hun Kal, and Airy-0 are recognized for Earth, Venus, Mercury, and Mars, respectively, by EVERY authority.
DN-boards1 (
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20:37, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
That renamed category wouldn't be so bad (it still needs at least one parent category though), but if
Greenwich is defined by being a place defining a prime meridian then why not (also)
London or
Royal Observatory? - i.e. this is attempting to create a list in category space. DexDor(talk)06:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Useless categories
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Nominator's rationale: This category has no parents and afaics has no pages telling editors to place pages in this category or to check the contents of this category so it is itself a useless category... DexDor(talk)19:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete -- It is itself a useless category. The right course of action for useless categories is to bring them to CFD, not to give them this as a parent!
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Category:Interquel films
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Category:Sequel films since all interquels, midquels, prequels, and regular postquels, are all versions of sequels (films released after the original film release). Their status as preceding / succeeding / replacing / parallelling / interceding / etc the original film in the in-universe timeline is an WP:INUNIVERSE consideration which we should not be categorizing under. Indeed we would need to make value judgements as to what is what, since some films have pre-credit scenes that precede events in prequels, and denouement scenes that postdate events in sequels / etc ad infinitum. --
70.51.202.113 (
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05:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Support the last person's vote. Sequel has a meaning - derived from the Latin sequor 'I follow'. The rest are invented words, by those lacking a classical education who seem to imagine that the "qu" has some significance on its own.
Peterkingiron (
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21:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:CAT#General conventions, which refers to
WP:AT, which says, "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject." This term is not used in reliable sources and does not warrant being used in a category's name. I can change my stance, but from what I see, the term isn't more than a neologism.
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Delete -- This is about a TV series. If it should gain more articles, we will probably want to merge them back to the main article. This is what usually happen when we start getting articles on characters or episodes.
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Category:Centrally funded Technical Institutions other than IITs and NITs in India
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The result of the discussion was:delete. If anyone wants to attempt a categorization of these institutions based on a positive rather than a negative characteristic, it could be done.Good Ol’factory(talk)01:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Long-distance footpaths in the United Kingdom
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Keep -- The category is named according to UK usage. It would not surprise me in the term does not come from legislation. There are no "hiking trails" in UK, we call them footpaths.
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Category:Long-distance trails in the Republic of Ireland
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Keep -- Local usage should apply. Calling it "hiking" is an Americanism that has no place in Europe. Furthermore, we should not be renaming RoI categories to Ireland, save (exceptionally) where something operates on an all-Ireland basis or it refers to pre-partition Ireland.
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Category:Hiking and tramping tracks in New Zealand
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Do not rename. New Zealanders only ever talk of hiking trails when they are talking to a foreigner, so that they can be understood. Among themselves, it would only ever be a tramping track. Hence, the category name that we have should work both for New Zealanders, as well well as editors from outside of New Zealand. Schwede6609:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Polish Tourist Trails
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*Oppose -- Hiking trails is an Americanism, which is being applied in places where that is an alien culture. I see no objection to retaining the parent name, but it should not be applied elsewhere. The UK & Ireland items do not confirm to the standard, and with good reason.
Peterkingiron (
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19:02, 23 September 2015 (UTC)reply
It has been pointed out to me that the nom is Polish. If he thinks this is appropriate usage, I am not going to oppose a change in this case, but that should not apply to English-speaking countries where there is an appropriate local term - GB Ireland and NZ.
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15:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)reply
rename per nom The WP category tree is 'hiking trail'; there is no argument that Poland here must keep a separate name--noises to the contrary notwithstanding
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