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Oppose. Hi. Nominator's nomination reads like the rationale for a rename in the opposite direction. After all, "Persian" is a superset of "Iranian". Dictionary-wise, "Persia" and "Iran" are the same, but dictionaries restrict themselves to semantic level. Going to up to pragmatics and discourse analysis levels, "Iran" is only taken to refer to Islamic Republic of Iran, which makes up half of the political news. "Persia", meanwhile, conjures up the image of the Persian empire, the land, and so on. Best regards,
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Hello again. First, please indent your replies properly. Second, language use might deviate from logical rules; one needs to learn English as it is used, not according to one's own logic. "Persian" and "Persia" are not the same thing. (At least, not at
pragmatics level.)
Metonymy is often used in English. These group that you mentioned, might or might not be Persians, but they certainly are part of the Persia's history.
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Category:Bonkers (TV series)
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The result of the discussion was:NO CONSENSUS. I think normally this would be a delete, however the participation even after a relisting is very small, and BrownHairedGirl has a very fair point. Since the media files are still with us, the "too small" problem does not seem to exist... yet. -
Splash -
tk22:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep for now. The category contains 8 items (5 files and 3 articles) which is quite enough for a viable category. If the media files were deleted, then the categ would indeed be too small; but they still exist, and file deletion is not a CFD issue. --
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Tate
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The result of the discussion was:Rename all to Tate galleries. Consensus is that the term "Tate" alone is too ambiguous. As pointed out by BrownHairedGirl, neither the proposal for the Tate Gallery or Tate (museum) are workable; there are multiple Tate galleries now, and "Tate museum" is not in common usage. The "Tate galleries" option appears to be uncontentious. —
Scott•talk10:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Proposal A was suggested at
WP:CFDS, but it was opposed with the rationale, that it's ambiguous. I have no opinion on that, but the categories should consistently use either "Tate", "Tate Gallery" or a third option determined by consensus. I have no preference for either of them.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus13:57, 8 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Prefer proposal A. The term "Tate Gallery" hasn't been in official use since 2000, so it would be best to avoid it. The institution's preferred usage in its official literature is "Tate" without the definite article (see e.g.
"Working at Tate"). "(The) Tate" is meant to be a compromise between the official branding and more idiomatic usage. I don't think disambiguation to prevent confusion is necessary but if others disagree I'd prefer something like "Tate galleries" to "Tate Gallery".
Ham14:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)reply
I have no objection to the way consensus is currently heading, but I'd suggest deleting the "Tate structures" category altogether if we're going to go ahead with "Tate galleries". Tates Britain, Modern. Liverpool and St Ives could then be at the top of the parent "Tate galleries" category.
Ham20:01, 10 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Rename all to Tate galleries. I was going to oppose Option A since it is inherently ambiguous. BHG provides a very sound reason to clearly choose the plural over the singular so I'll support her proposal.
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22:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Not "Tate". I don't particularly care what other form we use, but "Tate" by itself is a very bad idea — it's not some worldwide-known name, and "Tate" can mean lots of other things (tons of people, for example), so using it by itself would be very confusing.
Nyttend (
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22:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)reply
how about Tate (museum) - adding the dab makes it clear that we're not inventing a new natural DAB, rather we're keeping the way it is naturally referred to (e.g. director of the Tate (museum)). This is similar to how we handle Georgia (country) for example.--
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23:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Support Obiwankenobi's proposal" or B if that doesn't work. Makes sense to disambiguate it more generally, because Tate is an ambiguous term by itself.
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17:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose "Tate", that's exceedingly ambiguous, regardless of what the article is, categories are not articles, and require much maintenance for such an ambiguously named container, which will inevitably acquire all things named Tate --
76.65.128.112 (
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05:52, 29 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Rename all to using "Tate gallery". Also we should probably rename the article. It's current name reflects too much a British-centric view of the world, not dealing with the reality that English is a functionally used language in most of the world.
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Category:Infermiera films
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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. Not a real series of films, just three films with a nurse (infermiera) in the title, but every film is unrelated to the others, has different cast, characters and plots. Not even a real trend in the
commedia sexy all'italiana genre, as these three are the only three films with a nurse/infermiera as the main character.
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Category:Linux office suite software
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Nominator's rationale: Pseudo-English name. "Suite" itself means "software", so there is no need to repeat it. Plus, the articles in this category are not about suites that come with Linux.
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Category:OS X office suite software
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Nominator's rationale: Pseudo-English name. "Suite" itself means "software", so there is no need to repeat it. Plus, the articles in this category are not about suites that come with OS X.
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Category:Windows office suite software
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Nominator's rationale: Pseudo-English name. "Suite" itself means "software", so there is no need to repeat it. Plus, the articles in this category are not about suites that come with Windows.
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Category:Jewish-Christian debate
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The result of the discussion was:NO CONSENSUS. The debate does not seem to converge in any direction on any of the topics that are raised for discussion. -
Splash -
tk22:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:DASH and alphabetizing. I always go with alphabetical order for neutrality's sake so as to not prejudice article titles. Alternate proposal: Upmerge into more generic Christian–Jewish categories. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Question. What is this category for? There is no head article, but the contents suggest that it it relates to a set of theological debates in the middle ages and earlier. However the title allows a massively broader scope. Can anyone clarify? --
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07:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Neutral The category name could be changed to
Category:Christian–Jewish debate as suggested, since I believe it refers to all sorts of theological disputations between Western Christians (Roman Catholics) and Jews that occurred throught the Middle Ages, both early and later Middle Ages, up to the 16th century. All these disputations occurred at the initiative of the Christian majority's leaders (Church Bishops) in an attempt to convert the Jewish minority to Christianity and to possibly erase the "Jewish question" in medieval Jewish society.
warshy(¥¥)18:22, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep. Terms such as "Judeo-Christian" and "
Jewish Christian" are established, and I don't remember hearing comparable phrases in which Christians come before Jews. In my mind, this means that the current name is more natural, more in line with normal English usage, than the proposed new name.
Nyttend (
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13:07, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
I think you are correct for things that are common to both religions, and which follow from one to the orher chronologically, as in e.g. "Judeo-Christian ethics" or the like. For these medieval theological disputations we are talking about, I believe they were always initiated by the ecclesiastical authorities of the Catholic church in Christian Europe, and as such the suggestes title "Christian-Jewish Disputations in Late Antiquity and Middle Ages" would still be the best option IMO.
warshy(¥¥)15:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
My comment wasn't attempting to address anything except the order of the words; I'm not entering into the question of whether it should be "debate" or "disputations in..." or anything else. Sorry for not being clear enough — looking at it now, 9 hours after making it, I can see why my comment didn't reflect my meaning.
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Category:Walt Disney movie posters
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The result of the discussion was:NO RESULT. Normally, this would get relisted by closing admin. However the CfD backlog is large at the moment, so I will leave it to the nominator (or others) if they consider this matter still needing assistance of CfD after the passage of time since the nomination. -
Splash -
tk22:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)reply
The use of "Walt" doesn't seem to be necessary in these Disney film cats. As for the rest of the name, I was just trying to reflect the theatrical features focus of the existing category, which does not include certain TV or direct to video films, apparently.
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Oppose. Hi. Nominator's nomination reads like the rationale for a rename in the opposite direction. After all, "Persian" is a superset of "Iranian". Dictionary-wise, "Persia" and "Iran" are the same, but dictionaries restrict themselves to semantic level. Going to up to pragmatics and discourse analysis levels, "Iran" is only taken to refer to Islamic Republic of Iran, which makes up half of the political news. "Persia", meanwhile, conjures up the image of the Persian empire, the land, and so on. Best regards,
Codename Lisa (
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01:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Hello again. First, please indent your replies properly. Second, language use might deviate from logical rules; one needs to learn English as it is used, not according to one's own logic. "Persian" and "Persia" are not the same thing. (At least, not at
pragmatics level.)
Metonymy is often used in English. These group that you mentioned, might or might not be Persians, but they certainly are part of the Persia's history.
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Category:Bonkers (TV series)
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The result of the discussion was:NO CONSENSUS. I think normally this would be a delete, however the participation even after a relisting is very small, and BrownHairedGirl has a very fair point. Since the media files are still with us, the "too small" problem does not seem to exist... yet. -
Splash -
tk22:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep for now. The category contains 8 items (5 files and 3 articles) which is quite enough for a viable category. If the media files were deleted, then the categ would indeed be too small; but they still exist, and file deletion is not a CFD issue. --
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13:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)reply
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Tate
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The result of the discussion was:Rename all to Tate galleries. Consensus is that the term "Tate" alone is too ambiguous. As pointed out by BrownHairedGirl, neither the proposal for the Tate Gallery or Tate (museum) are workable; there are multiple Tate galleries now, and "Tate museum" is not in common usage. The "Tate galleries" option appears to be uncontentious. —
Scott•talk10:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Proposal A was suggested at
WP:CFDS, but it was opposed with the rationale, that it's ambiguous. I have no opinion on that, but the categories should consistently use either "Tate", "Tate Gallery" or a third option determined by consensus. I have no preference for either of them.
ArmbrustTheHomunculus13:57, 8 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Prefer proposal A. The term "Tate Gallery" hasn't been in official use since 2000, so it would be best to avoid it. The institution's preferred usage in its official literature is "Tate" without the definite article (see e.g.
"Working at Tate"). "(The) Tate" is meant to be a compromise between the official branding and more idiomatic usage. I don't think disambiguation to prevent confusion is necessary but if others disagree I'd prefer something like "Tate galleries" to "Tate Gallery".
Ham14:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)reply
I have no objection to the way consensus is currently heading, but I'd suggest deleting the "Tate structures" category altogether if we're going to go ahead with "Tate galleries". Tates Britain, Modern. Liverpool and St Ives could then be at the top of the parent "Tate galleries" category.
Ham20:01, 10 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Rename all to Tate galleries. I was going to oppose Option A since it is inherently ambiguous. BHG provides a very sound reason to clearly choose the plural over the singular so I'll support her proposal.
Vegaswikian (
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22:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Not "Tate". I don't particularly care what other form we use, but "Tate" by itself is a very bad idea — it's not some worldwide-known name, and "Tate" can mean lots of other things (tons of people, for example), so using it by itself would be very confusing.
Nyttend (
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22:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)reply
how about Tate (museum) - adding the dab makes it clear that we're not inventing a new natural DAB, rather we're keeping the way it is naturally referred to (e.g. director of the Tate (museum)). This is similar to how we handle Georgia (country) for example.--
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
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23:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Support Obiwankenobi's proposal" or B if that doesn't work. Makes sense to disambiguate it more generally, because Tate is an ambiguous term by itself.
Sadads (
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17:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose "Tate", that's exceedingly ambiguous, regardless of what the article is, categories are not articles, and require much maintenance for such an ambiguously named container, which will inevitably acquire all things named Tate --
76.65.128.112 (
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05:52, 29 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Rename all to using "Tate gallery". Also we should probably rename the article. It's current name reflects too much a British-centric view of the world, not dealing with the reality that English is a functionally used language in most of the world.
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16:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Infermiera films
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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. Not a real series of films, just three films with a nurse (infermiera) in the title, but every film is unrelated to the others, has different cast, characters and plots. Not even a real trend in the
commedia sexy all'italiana genre, as these three are the only three films with a nurse/infermiera as the main character.
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Nominator's rationale: Pseudo-English name. "Suite" itself means "software", so there is no need to repeat it. Plus, the articles in this category are not about suites that come with Linux.
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12:12, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Pseudo-English name. "Suite" itself means "software", so there is no need to repeat it. Plus, the articles in this category are not about suites that come with OS X.
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Category:Jewish-Christian debate
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The result of the discussion was:NO CONSENSUS. The debate does not seem to converge in any direction on any of the topics that are raised for discussion. -
Splash -
tk22:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:DASH and alphabetizing. I always go with alphabetical order for neutrality's sake so as to not prejudice article titles. Alternate proposal: Upmerge into more generic Christian–Jewish categories. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯06:39, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Question. What is this category for? There is no head article, but the contents suggest that it it relates to a set of theological debates in the middle ages and earlier. However the title allows a massively broader scope. Can anyone clarify? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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07:29, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Neutral The category name could be changed to
Category:Christian–Jewish debate as suggested, since I believe it refers to all sorts of theological disputations between Western Christians (Roman Catholics) and Jews that occurred throught the Middle Ages, both early and later Middle Ages, up to the 16th century. All these disputations occurred at the initiative of the Christian majority's leaders (Church Bishops) in an attempt to convert the Jewish minority to Christianity and to possibly erase the "Jewish question" in medieval Jewish society.
warshy(¥¥)18:22, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep. Terms such as "Judeo-Christian" and "
Jewish Christian" are established, and I don't remember hearing comparable phrases in which Christians come before Jews. In my mind, this means that the current name is more natural, more in line with normal English usage, than the proposed new name.
Nyttend (
talk)
13:07, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
I think you are correct for things that are common to both religions, and which follow from one to the orher chronologically, as in e.g. "Judeo-Christian ethics" or the like. For these medieval theological disputations we are talking about, I believe they were always initiated by the ecclesiastical authorities of the Catholic church in Christian Europe, and as such the suggestes title "Christian-Jewish Disputations in Late Antiquity and Middle Ages" would still be the best option IMO.
warshy(¥¥)15:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
My comment wasn't attempting to address anything except the order of the words; I'm not entering into the question of whether it should be "debate" or "disputations in..." or anything else. Sorry for not being clear enough — looking at it now, 9 hours after making it, I can see why my comment didn't reflect my meaning.
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22:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:NO RESULT. Normally, this would get relisted by closing admin. However the CfD backlog is large at the moment, so I will leave it to the nominator (or others) if they consider this matter still needing assistance of CfD after the passage of time since the nomination. -
Splash -
tk22:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)reply
The use of "Walt" doesn't seem to be necessary in these Disney film cats. As for the rest of the name, I was just trying to reflect the theatrical features focus of the existing category, which does not include certain TV or direct to video films, apparently.
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14:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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