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Non-English words categories

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The result of the debate was rename to ...words and phrases. Timrollpickering 01:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Rename - These are the only two such categories (except for Category:Spanish etymology which serves a different purpose) that are named "terms" instead of "words." My feeling is that all such categories would be better served by being renamed to "Fooian words and phrases" rather than having "Fooian words" with a "Fooian phrases" sub-cat but rather than nominate all of the cats I thought these two could serve as points for discussing that notion as well. If consensus is to rename to "words and phrases" then I'm planning on nominating all the other "words" categories too and nominating any "phrases" sub-cats for merging. Otto4711 23:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Cult television series

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Cult television series ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, This is a subjective categoryname see the Subjective inclusion criterion and there are little sources that could qualify a series as "cult". I have similar problems with Category:Cult films, although there is considerably more literature there that can be referenced. The problem is that nobody checks wether such references are made in the Film-articles. We'll leave Cult films as a future exercise. :D TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Women Buddhists

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Women Buddhists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete; presumably roughly half of Buddhists are women, and based on the discussions to delete Category:Muslim women and Category:Hindu women. Mairi 22:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

No. This subcategory is not helpful. We don't need to sort Buddhists by gender. And this has absolutely nothing to do with any possible utility of the parent category. Category:Buddhists might be useful for reasons that are completely different from the reasons why Category:Women Buddhists is useless. —  coelacan talk — 03:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Oh, wait, I totally misunderstood you. I thought you meant "first nominate Category:Buddhists in general for deletion. Okay, don't worry about the articles in this category being upmerged. The closing admin will make sure that happens properly. =) —  coelacan talk — 03:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional widows or widowers

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The result of the debate was speedy delete as repost. Circeus 23:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional widows or widowers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

May qualify as a speedy deletion under G4, recreated material. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 22#Category:Fictional widows and widowers for previous CfD discussion. CovenantD 22:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Angel categories

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 01:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

rename as Angel (TV series). Twin Load 21:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:School massacres by country categories

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The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 01:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Upmerge all Not enough articles, not enough countries to warrant such a division. At best, a non-country divide between "by students" and "by non-students" may be appropriate. Circeus 18:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Comment - as Headphonos noted, I started adding those articles into the main category so they could be found in the more general category as well. I think its an obvious thing to do, but I'm not sure what people's thoughts on that are in general. If peoples' thoughts are that supercategories should not contain items in subcategories, then i think delete all is my vote - but if my idea is a good idea - then I say keep all. Conditional vote : ) Fresheneesz 01:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply

  • Keep If these articles are not in these categories they would need to be in at least three parent categories each to provide a comparable level of navigability, but they probably wouldn't be as people don't think laterally when categorising, so all to often articles are on in one or two of the essential topic or geographical menus. Hawkestone 15:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Can you give examples please? Carcharoth 16:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Actors by religion

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 01:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, why is religion relevent to this profession? Like Category:Sportspeople by religion, I would propose a ban on all actors by religion categories. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
True, but they do have the [ Christian Film & Television awards, the Vatican's Bresson Prize, and others.-- T. Anthony 12:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Lilith Fair performers

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, as non-defining or trivial characteristic, we had decided against performers by performance cats. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Parents of twins

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Parents of twins ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete This category is unencyclopedic clutter as Wikipedia should cover individual's public achievements, not random aspects of their private lives. Honbicot 16:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional toads

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The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge into Category:Fictional frogs and toads, see discussion of November 4th. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Cities in Algeria

Category:Towns in Algeria

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The result of the debate was merge both to Category:Cities and towns in Algeria. Timrollpickering 01:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge with Category:Cities in Algeria (or vice versa) because the Algerian government doesn't make a real difference between cities and towns, they don't even have a word for "town" in Arabic or French, they only have " Cities" and " Villages", and these categories aren't well organized, while In Amenas (a small town) with 5000 inhabitants is in the "cities category", Arzew (a smaller city) with 70,000 people is in the "towns category", you see what I mean? Or it would be a good idea to rename it to Municipalities of Algeria, as this is the official govermental term for them. --Escondites talk 14:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Suicides by methods and subcategories

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 02:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

While it may be interesting to know why famous people committed suicide, it's not particularly relevant whether they did so by jumping, hanging or self-poisoning. >Radiant< 13:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

  • Strong keep. Such lists provide valuable help for, for example, a historician who wants to make a research on popular methods of suicide by an epoch, or a psychiatrist may be able to do a significiant research by finding correlations between suicide methods and other factors (epoch, diagnosis, profession of person, nationality, location, etc). It's useful navigational and categorizational mechanism. Also, note that a subcategories includes various ritual suicides, such as Seppuku - I suppose there's no doubt that it's useful to be able to get a list of Japanese people who committed seppuku? -- GreyCat 13:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • Seppuku would be a reasonable exception since it's a cultural phenomenon. Jumping off a skyscraper, however, is not. >Radiant< 15:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
      • I don't see why other methods are different. There's at least Sallekhana that is also a ritual suicide - is that a cultural phenomenon? Other examples include political prisoners in USSR usually suicided by hanging, because of lack of other options. Self-immolations also usually include important social aspect: it's one of the most painful methods and thus usually used by radical activists who protest something so strong that they'll going to sacrifice their own life for their beliefs, using public self-immolation to grab public attention to their ideas. Self-poisoning was a popular choice for medieval suicides - that's also a historical fact and I think it may be equally interesting for a researcher to have a list of people who committed sepukku and a list of people who used poisons to commit suicide. -- GreyCat 20:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • undecided GreyCat's argument is good but it just seems like an overcategorization still. It might conceivably be interesting to some historians to categorize people not by hometown but by what neighborhood/district/ward they were from in that town. But just because it's useful to a few readers doesn't mean it's the best choice altogether. Still not entirely convinced we should get rid of these categories though... they clearly communicate that it was a suicide, they just give extra information. -- W.marsh 15:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The subcategories need to be tagged before deletion. According to Radiant's nomination, they are are up for debate, but discussion has already noted that one of them could easily be kept. Let's keep this clean. - Freekee 18:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Just to reply to the above comment, the subcategories are obvious choices for this parent category. So if this parent is kept, then the subcategories likewise should be kept. But if the whole notion of dividing suicides by method is a bad idea overall, then all those subcategories should be deleted since they only make sense in the context of subdividing this parent category.
So this is a case where I don't think you can reasonably delete only some of the subcategories and leave others intact. The fate of all these categories hinges on whether or not this parent category makes sense. Dugwiki 18:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
First, my main point was that the subcats need to be tagged so that people are aware they are up for deletion. I've had articles deleted out from under me with no notice, just because they were children of others. It's not a nice way to lose what you worked hard on. Second, the Seppuku cat has other articles besides people who committed seppuku. So its existence doesn't seem as closely tied to it's parent. It could easily be recategorized. - Freekee 04:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep I'm going to side with GreyCat here that there is probably useful information gained by sorting suicides by method. People who study suicides could possibly be interested in also studying the methods different people choose to commit suicide. I also don't see a downside to these subdivisions. The number of categories per article won't increase (you'll replace "Suicide" with "Suicide by..." in the article), and the number of articles of people who have committed suicide might be large enough to warrant subdivision of some sort. Given that, I'd lean toward giving this category the benefit of the doubt. Dugwiki 18:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Listify and delete, A list is a much more efficient way (and allow more latitude in doing so) of organizing that info. Circeus 18:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • That would be a very long and not very maintainable list. AFAIR, Wikipedia includes at least about a thousand of people listed under suicides category. Shall we make a policy of "notable suicide" and "non-notable suicide"? -- GreyCat 20:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all per GreyCat. Otto4711 21:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and listify. I lecture on suicide and believe, it's not as easy to classify as you might think. "Suicide" should suffice. Doczilla 22:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Make into a list and then delete. I was on the fence as this seems borderline, but Doczilla convinced me. If it is not easy to classify, than the entries need annotation and explanation. A list is better. -- Samuel Wantman 03:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Local Filament galaxies

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Local Filament galaxies ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Category:American Vietnam War propaganda films

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:American Vietnam War propaganda films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Delete - Two reasons: 1) Use of the term "propaganda films" is highly POV. 2) Redundant - there is already a category for "Vietnam War films".

Cgingold 11:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

All three subcats share the same defect: they are poorly-defined, highly-subjective POV magnets. "Propaganda" may indeed be "a widely used scholarly term", but these subcats do not have "well-delineated definitions" -- and the vast majority of WP editors are not scholars of either propaganda or film history. Basically, any film with a clear right- or left-wing POV is likely to be labelled "propaganda". That term then loses its meaning -- and films that are so-categorized are tarred with a pejorative label.
This subcat should be either deleted, or merged into Category:Vietnam War films as user Honbicot suggests. Cgingold 14:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The inclusion of commercial Green Berets exposes the ambiguity of the term. Nathanian 20:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep If it is deleted would one just have to put vietnam war films as a subcat of American propaganda films? or just keep them in the general cat "American propaganda films"? (Comment posted by User:Dudeman5685 19:09, December 31, 2006 - please remember to sign your comments with 4 tildes)
  • If they were correctly categorized as "propaganda films" there would be no need for this discussion in the first place. Unlike the films in the World War II subcats, which are rightly categorized as "propaganda films", these are merely POV films - which is not in itself a significant distinction, since the vast majority of films DO have a POV. If the category is deleted, these films will all go into Category:Vietnam War films, where they clearly belong. Cgingold 03:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:TradeWars 2002

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:TradeWars 2002 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:TradeWars 2002 ship types ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, Categories were emptied (save for the parent) as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Merchant Cruiser. Serpent's Choice 08:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:FieldTurf installations

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The result of the debate was delete and listify. Timrollpickering 01:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:FieldTurf installations ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Do we want to classify stadiums by the type of artifical tuft they use? How about by the type of grass seed next? Vegaswikian 07:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Listify to Stadiums by turf type and Delete. I'm changing my vote based on the comments below. There is value to the information and a list is more appropiate. Vegaswikian
  • weak keep this is relevent, some teams are "fast" and are said to play better on artificial turf, stadiums still using AstroTurf are becoming a bit of a novelty... while non-sports people might not really care I think it's an interesting and useful classification to people interested in sports. -- W.marsh 17:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Stadiums by brand of artifical turf? Overcategorization. Listify it right in the product article. Note that there are no corresponding categories for stadiums by turf type. - Freekee 18:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is getting rediculous. We moved the high profile installs into a seperate list because some wanted to keep the article more compact. Then we had a debate about the list so the comprimise was that we categorize instead. Now we have people with no idea on the background of this topic trying to delete the catagory. If you decide to deleted it i'll be putting back the list so how about everyone get on the same page? -- Coz 19:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • So your vote should be to listify and then delete since that supports the initial decision. Based on that I can support Listify and Delete. Based on the above disucssions, it would appear that one article Stadiums by turf type should be the target allowing for expansion to include other information which you can have in an article or list but not in a category. Vegaswikian 20:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • Coz, that's unfortunate. But I still don't feel it deserves either a category or it's own list article. I think it should either be added back to the article (someone thought it took up too much space?) or create a new list of Stadiums by turf type. - Freekee 05:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
      • I respect your personal opinion, I even respect the opinions based on ignorance (like the one below). What I am saying is that it is easy for mis or un informed people to pass judgement on one solution or the other, but they are doing so without offering a solution or being part of the solution. Should it be in the article? Fine. Should it be a seperate list? Fine. Should it be a catagory? Fine. Just pick one and stick with it. This circular "government style" decision making is insane. -- Coz 02:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Arrested Development

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 01:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

rename as Arrested Development (TV series) and Arrested Development (hip hop group). Tunag 06:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 00:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, category for ships named for states, or places in a state, or persons from a state. These ships have nothing in common, except being named for a person, place, or thing within the same US state. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I have over 14 hours in doing work that you people will not do. I have already had a school class use this resource finding ships named for people in their state. All of these ships are relevant to each state, weither they honor a hero from that state, a town, or the state itself. Problem with Wiki, instead of embracing things, you op to delete everything you do not agree with. Try working with people instead of against them. I'm about to quit Wiki, I'm sick of doing work for nothing. -- 71Demon 01:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The nominator actually makes an unwitting case for keeping this Category. The NAME of a ship is one of the most important attributes of the vessel, as any seafaring soul would tell you. Therefore, if there is some common link from the namesake of the ship to a particular US State, that is highly relevant and sentimental to all those who served on the ship, as well as significant historically to anyone interested in the history of that particular state. Of course, typical Wikipedians are generally 16-24 years old and have never even been to sea, so their landlubber instinct is to delete work like this. That allows more space on the servers for Pokemon articles. -- JossBuckle Swami 05:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I don't particularly like the titles of the categories. It is the name of the ships that are related to the state, not the ships themselves. But I think the sentiment is excellent. And the information derived from the category willbe very useful to school children and historians. WVhybrid 06:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. It's not really even the names of the ship that are related to the state, it's the things that the ships are named after that are related to the state. Listifying, particularly for ships named for places in a state, would make sense. Mairi 07:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom; the state itself has little or nothing to do with the ship. Ral315 ( talk) 10:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep these categories. There is no need to delete them, because they give a great amount of information dealing with certain ships in their respective U.S. States. The Punk 10:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Mairi. "I did a lot of work on this" isn't a good reason to keep anything. Recury 15:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
That may be true, but "I did a lot of work on this" is generally a good reason for others to slow down and think about the wisdom of deleting said work. -- JossBuckle Swami 17:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The names have a similar origin, because they are realated to the history of the people and places in a specific state. These people and events had enough significance to get a ship named for them. It also allows people to explore parts of history. They don't teach the history of the USS Barr (DE-576) in West Virginia history. Very few people in my hometown, Keyser, even know that a ship was named for someone in their home town. I had a person at Rotary the other day talk about seeing it on Wiki, that is how they learned. The got to the link from the USS West Virginia and the category of WV Related ships. Isn't that how Wiki is supposed to work? -- 71Demon 22:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I'm a template designer for alot of the ships in the United States Navy and I recognize the state origins for most ships that are built by the United States. The Carl Vinson for example is attributed to Georgia due to Carl Vinson being from that state. ViriiK 15:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and listify. 71Demon, time invested has no relevance as to whether any given thing should be kept or deleted, as you made a personal decision to invest that time in the first place. -- Huntster T • @ • C 04:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
It should be kept on its merits. Time invested has no relavence to you, because it is not your time. Editors should respect each other. If your unsure about a project, then you should sit back and see what happens, not immediately put things up for deletion. You have now stopped forward progress on the project because the categories are locked, so people can not expand the project. You make a self fulfilling profecy by bashing what is new. I have see good editors leave because of people jumping the gun. The fact of the matter is these ships are named for people and places for a reason. They are to honor them. You are trying to say that the USS Harpers Ferry is no relavence to West Virginia, so I can't buy that. Your logic is flawed in my opinion. -- 71Demon 13:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Time invested is not a reason to keep an article or category but it is a compelling reason to be especially thoughtful before pulling the trigger on deletion and to be tactful and appreciative to the author. Demon71 has done some fantastic work - yesterday he added more to the Appalachia article in 24 hours [1] than had probably been added in a year (some was as an anon) -- and it was very high quality stuff. I'm a bit on the fence about this category, but all that other work has me wanting to find a reason to say "keep". I'll be interested to see if we get any response from the two task forces I posted a note to. -- A. B. (talk) 14:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:United States Coast Guard Academy graduates

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The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge into Category:United States Coast Guard Academy alumni, convention of Category:Alumni by university in the United States. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Seth Macfarlane

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:Seth MacFarlane, to match Seth MacFarlane. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:IBHOF Members

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete or Rename to Category:International Boxing Hall of Fame members, already a list at International Boxing Hall of Fame. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Islam sentiment

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The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 00:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Anti-Islam sentiment ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete. Category is inherently POV. Strong tendency to be populated with people who really ought to just be in Category:Critics of Islam, and this is exactly the problem that recurs regularly (some of these issues have been chronicled near the bottom of Category talk:Anti-Islam sentiment#This category). In addition, please see already finished deletion discussion on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 11#Category:Anti-Islam writers, which suffered from the same problems and was deleted.

To every article currently in this category, I have added either Category:Critics of Islam or Category:Islam-related controversies, whichever was topical. So no further merge will be necessary; this category can now be deleted and the articles will remain in other more appropriate categories. —  coelacan talk — 01:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

  • I agree that there are other precedents where a hate category like this has been deleted (I believe a category for "racists" was so deleted). However, at the end of the day, I think the standards have to be applied consistently, with Wikipedians taking full responsibility for policing their application. Make no mistake, I think having this category will lead to controversy and discord, and that it's application is horrendously difficult. But, if the standards are applied inconsistently, the whole project just becomes one POV mess. Sam 02:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Your argument is a council of despair. Following your approach, as soon as there is one bad category in a field, perhaps kept as a result of a campaign by an organised group or just by chance as to who happened to be around that day (and we might be talking about two or three people out of seven or eight) that means unlimited bad categories can be created in that field and all of them must be kept forever. I think that is so self-defeating. Sumahoy 03:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I couldn't agree with your comment more. -- 70.51.229.211 15:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
That's entirely subjective. Unless people specifically say that they themselves are "anti-Islam" then there's no safe way to categorize them as such. —  coelacan talk — 03:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per Itaqallah. TruthSpreader reply 22:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: many of the editors from the Islam WikiProject appear to be ignoring the problem of people who are simply "critics of Islam" being added here. Are these editors willing to patrol the category regularly and remove inappropriate additions? Are these editors suggesting that no one's life is at risk from being included in this category? How many "keep" votes does it take to override the fact that no one has addressed this problem? —  coelacan talk — 03:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • it is difficult to see past this 'hit-list' claim as anything other than simply an emotional appeal. i believe such fears are unfounded, as anyone in any anti-X category (take your pic from the ones above) may be brought to the attention of some sort of religious/political extremist. yet, even without the cat, if such people were truly dedicated, they wouldn't mind spending an extra ten minutes scanning through the other two categories (which, as i argued above, are not appropriate here). yes, scholarly criticism is not regarded as anti-islam sentiment. hostility or incitement, of which there is verifiably plenty, shouldn't be confused with criticism however. furthermore, we are discussing whether the cat is appropriate, "keep"s shouldn't be mistaken for pledges to maintain the cat, although i would certainly hope to. ITAQALLAH 10:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • keep hate and criticism are not the same thing.-- Striver - talk 11:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per User:Itaqallah. Raphael1 14:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per coelacan talk and fact that it opens a can of worms. I will support deletion of any similar categories that relate to anti-(some belief system) sentiment. Metamagician3000 13:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I think the analogy with racism, antisemitism, etc... is correct. If the name of this category is a POV magnet, then it should be renamed something better. Category:Critics of Islam or Category:Islam-related controversies does not cover prejudice and hatred of Islam, which is the reason for this category. If some articles do not belong they should be removed. If this were "Haters of Islam", I'd be one of the first to say delete. But if we are ever going to sort out the mess of categories like this I think we have to draw the line between the subject (which we should keep), and people with the ideology (which we should delete). This distinction has worked for Racism/Racists and such. -- Samuel Wantman 04:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Unthinking editors use this category to mark living persons who have, even casually, been critical of islam. Lou Sander 18:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Cosmetics magnates

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 01:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Cosmetics magnates to Category:Cosmetics businesspeople [Proposed by] Gkklein 00:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:MySpace Stars

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:MySpace Stars ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not sure if this should be renamed or just deleted... "stars" is a bit subjective so I'd suggest Category:Notable MySpace users if kept. The people in this category, at a glance, do seem to actually belong as they have news coverage. W.marsh 00:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

JossBuckle Swami is spamming. Check recent contributions. —  coelacan talk — 10:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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The result of the debate was rename to ...words and phrases. Timrollpickering 01:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Rename - These are the only two such categories (except for Category:Spanish etymology which serves a different purpose) that are named "terms" instead of "words." My feeling is that all such categories would be better served by being renamed to "Fooian words and phrases" rather than having "Fooian words" with a "Fooian phrases" sub-cat but rather than nominate all of the cats I thought these two could serve as points for discussing that notion as well. If consensus is to rename to "words and phrases" then I'm planning on nominating all the other "words" categories too and nominating any "phrases" sub-cats for merging. Otto4711 23:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Cult television series

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Cult television series ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, This is a subjective categoryname see the Subjective inclusion criterion and there are little sources that could qualify a series as "cult". I have similar problems with Category:Cult films, although there is considerably more literature there that can be referenced. The problem is that nobody checks wether such references are made in the Film-articles. We'll leave Cult films as a future exercise. :D TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Women Buddhists

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Women Buddhists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete; presumably roughly half of Buddhists are women, and based on the discussions to delete Category:Muslim women and Category:Hindu women. Mairi 22:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

No. This subcategory is not helpful. We don't need to sort Buddhists by gender. And this has absolutely nothing to do with any possible utility of the parent category. Category:Buddhists might be useful for reasons that are completely different from the reasons why Category:Women Buddhists is useless. —  coelacan talk — 03:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Oh, wait, I totally misunderstood you. I thought you meant "first nominate Category:Buddhists in general for deletion. Okay, don't worry about the articles in this category being upmerged. The closing admin will make sure that happens properly. =) —  coelacan talk — 03:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional widows or widowers

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The result of the debate was speedy delete as repost. Circeus 23:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional widows or widowers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

May qualify as a speedy deletion under G4, recreated material. See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 22#Category:Fictional widows and widowers for previous CfD discussion. CovenantD 22:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Angel categories

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 01:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

rename as Angel (TV series). Twin Load 21:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:School massacres by country categories

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The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 01:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Upmerge all Not enough articles, not enough countries to warrant such a division. At best, a non-country divide between "by students" and "by non-students" may be appropriate. Circeus 18:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Comment - as Headphonos noted, I started adding those articles into the main category so they could be found in the more general category as well. I think its an obvious thing to do, but I'm not sure what people's thoughts on that are in general. If peoples' thoughts are that supercategories should not contain items in subcategories, then i think delete all is my vote - but if my idea is a good idea - then I say keep all. Conditional vote : ) Fresheneesz 01:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply

  • Keep If these articles are not in these categories they would need to be in at least three parent categories each to provide a comparable level of navigability, but they probably wouldn't be as people don't think laterally when categorising, so all to often articles are on in one or two of the essential topic or geographical menus. Hawkestone 15:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Can you give examples please? Carcharoth 16:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Actors by religion

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 01:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, why is religion relevent to this profession? Like Category:Sportspeople by religion, I would propose a ban on all actors by religion categories. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
True, but they do have the [ Christian Film & Television awards, the Vatican's Bresson Prize, and others.-- T. Anthony 12:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Lilith Fair performers

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, as non-defining or trivial characteristic, we had decided against performers by performance cats. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Parents of twins

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Parents of twins ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete This category is unencyclopedic clutter as Wikipedia should cover individual's public achievements, not random aspects of their private lives. Honbicot 16:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional toads

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The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge into Category:Fictional frogs and toads, see discussion of November 4th. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Cities in Algeria

Category:Towns in Algeria

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The result of the debate was merge both to Category:Cities and towns in Algeria. Timrollpickering 01:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge with Category:Cities in Algeria (or vice versa) because the Algerian government doesn't make a real difference between cities and towns, they don't even have a word for "town" in Arabic or French, they only have " Cities" and " Villages", and these categories aren't well organized, while In Amenas (a small town) with 5000 inhabitants is in the "cities category", Arzew (a smaller city) with 70,000 people is in the "towns category", you see what I mean? Or it would be a good idea to rename it to Municipalities of Algeria, as this is the official govermental term for them. --Escondites talk 14:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:Suicides by methods and subcategories

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 02:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

While it may be interesting to know why famous people committed suicide, it's not particularly relevant whether they did so by jumping, hanging or self-poisoning. >Radiant< 13:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

  • Strong keep. Such lists provide valuable help for, for example, a historician who wants to make a research on popular methods of suicide by an epoch, or a psychiatrist may be able to do a significiant research by finding correlations between suicide methods and other factors (epoch, diagnosis, profession of person, nationality, location, etc). It's useful navigational and categorizational mechanism. Also, note that a subcategories includes various ritual suicides, such as Seppuku - I suppose there's no doubt that it's useful to be able to get a list of Japanese people who committed seppuku? -- GreyCat 13:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • Seppuku would be a reasonable exception since it's a cultural phenomenon. Jumping off a skyscraper, however, is not. >Radiant< 15:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
      • I don't see why other methods are different. There's at least Sallekhana that is also a ritual suicide - is that a cultural phenomenon? Other examples include political prisoners in USSR usually suicided by hanging, because of lack of other options. Self-immolations also usually include important social aspect: it's one of the most painful methods and thus usually used by radical activists who protest something so strong that they'll going to sacrifice their own life for their beliefs, using public self-immolation to grab public attention to their ideas. Self-poisoning was a popular choice for medieval suicides - that's also a historical fact and I think it may be equally interesting for a researcher to have a list of people who committed sepukku and a list of people who used poisons to commit suicide. -- GreyCat 20:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • undecided GreyCat's argument is good but it just seems like an overcategorization still. It might conceivably be interesting to some historians to categorize people not by hometown but by what neighborhood/district/ward they were from in that town. But just because it's useful to a few readers doesn't mean it's the best choice altogether. Still not entirely convinced we should get rid of these categories though... they clearly communicate that it was a suicide, they just give extra information. -- W.marsh 15:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The subcategories need to be tagged before deletion. According to Radiant's nomination, they are are up for debate, but discussion has already noted that one of them could easily be kept. Let's keep this clean. - Freekee 18:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Just to reply to the above comment, the subcategories are obvious choices for this parent category. So if this parent is kept, then the subcategories likewise should be kept. But if the whole notion of dividing suicides by method is a bad idea overall, then all those subcategories should be deleted since they only make sense in the context of subdividing this parent category.
So this is a case where I don't think you can reasonably delete only some of the subcategories and leave others intact. The fate of all these categories hinges on whether or not this parent category makes sense. Dugwiki 18:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
First, my main point was that the subcats need to be tagged so that people are aware they are up for deletion. I've had articles deleted out from under me with no notice, just because they were children of others. It's not a nice way to lose what you worked hard on. Second, the Seppuku cat has other articles besides people who committed seppuku. So its existence doesn't seem as closely tied to it's parent. It could easily be recategorized. - Freekee 04:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Keep I'm going to side with GreyCat here that there is probably useful information gained by sorting suicides by method. People who study suicides could possibly be interested in also studying the methods different people choose to commit suicide. I also don't see a downside to these subdivisions. The number of categories per article won't increase (you'll replace "Suicide" with "Suicide by..." in the article), and the number of articles of people who have committed suicide might be large enough to warrant subdivision of some sort. Given that, I'd lean toward giving this category the benefit of the doubt. Dugwiki 18:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Listify and delete, A list is a much more efficient way (and allow more latitude in doing so) of organizing that info. Circeus 18:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • That would be a very long and not very maintainable list. AFAIR, Wikipedia includes at least about a thousand of people listed under suicides category. Shall we make a policy of "notable suicide" and "non-notable suicide"? -- GreyCat 20:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all per GreyCat. Otto4711 21:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete and listify. I lecture on suicide and believe, it's not as easy to classify as you might think. "Suicide" should suffice. Doczilla 22:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Make into a list and then delete. I was on the fence as this seems borderline, but Doczilla convinced me. If it is not easy to classify, than the entries need annotation and explanation. A list is better. -- Samuel Wantman 03:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Local Filament galaxies

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

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Category:American Vietnam War propaganda films

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:American Vietnam War propaganda films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Delete - Two reasons: 1) Use of the term "propaganda films" is highly POV. 2) Redundant - there is already a category for "Vietnam War films".

Cgingold 11:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

All three subcats share the same defect: they are poorly-defined, highly-subjective POV magnets. "Propaganda" may indeed be "a widely used scholarly term", but these subcats do not have "well-delineated definitions" -- and the vast majority of WP editors are not scholars of either propaganda or film history. Basically, any film with a clear right- or left-wing POV is likely to be labelled "propaganda". That term then loses its meaning -- and films that are so-categorized are tarred with a pejorative label.
This subcat should be either deleted, or merged into Category:Vietnam War films as user Honbicot suggests. Cgingold 14:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The inclusion of commercial Green Berets exposes the ambiguity of the term. Nathanian 20:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep If it is deleted would one just have to put vietnam war films as a subcat of American propaganda films? or just keep them in the general cat "American propaganda films"? (Comment posted by User:Dudeman5685 19:09, December 31, 2006 - please remember to sign your comments with 4 tildes)
  • If they were correctly categorized as "propaganda films" there would be no need for this discussion in the first place. Unlike the films in the World War II subcats, which are rightly categorized as "propaganda films", these are merely POV films - which is not in itself a significant distinction, since the vast majority of films DO have a POV. If the category is deleted, these films will all go into Category:Vietnam War films, where they clearly belong. Cgingold 03:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:TradeWars 2002

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

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Delete, Categories were emptied (save for the parent) as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Merchant Cruiser. Serpent's Choice 08:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:FieldTurf installations

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The result of the debate was delete and listify. Timrollpickering 01:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

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Do we want to classify stadiums by the type of artifical tuft they use? How about by the type of grass seed next? Vegaswikian 07:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Listify to Stadiums by turf type and Delete. I'm changing my vote based on the comments below. There is value to the information and a list is more appropiate. Vegaswikian
  • weak keep this is relevent, some teams are "fast" and are said to play better on artificial turf, stadiums still using AstroTurf are becoming a bit of a novelty... while non-sports people might not really care I think it's an interesting and useful classification to people interested in sports. -- W.marsh 17:46, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Stadiums by brand of artifical turf? Overcategorization. Listify it right in the product article. Note that there are no corresponding categories for stadiums by turf type. - Freekee 18:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This is getting rediculous. We moved the high profile installs into a seperate list because some wanted to keep the article more compact. Then we had a debate about the list so the comprimise was that we categorize instead. Now we have people with no idea on the background of this topic trying to delete the catagory. If you decide to deleted it i'll be putting back the list so how about everyone get on the same page? -- Coz 19:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • So your vote should be to listify and then delete since that supports the initial decision. Based on that I can support Listify and Delete. Based on the above disucssions, it would appear that one article Stadiums by turf type should be the target allowing for expansion to include other information which you can have in an article or list but not in a category. Vegaswikian 20:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • Coz, that's unfortunate. But I still don't feel it deserves either a category or it's own list article. I think it should either be added back to the article (someone thought it took up too much space?) or create a new list of Stadiums by turf type. - Freekee 05:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
      • I respect your personal opinion, I even respect the opinions based on ignorance (like the one below). What I am saying is that it is easy for mis or un informed people to pass judgement on one solution or the other, but they are doing so without offering a solution or being part of the solution. Should it be in the article? Fine. Should it be a seperate list? Fine. Should it be a catagory? Fine. Just pick one and stick with it. This circular "government style" decision making is insane. -- Coz 02:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Arrested Development

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 01:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

rename as Arrested Development (TV series) and Arrested Development (hip hop group). Tunag 06:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Timrollpickering 00:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, category for ships named for states, or places in a state, or persons from a state. These ships have nothing in common, except being named for a person, place, or thing within the same US state. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I have over 14 hours in doing work that you people will not do. I have already had a school class use this resource finding ships named for people in their state. All of these ships are relevant to each state, weither they honor a hero from that state, a town, or the state itself. Problem with Wiki, instead of embracing things, you op to delete everything you do not agree with. Try working with people instead of against them. I'm about to quit Wiki, I'm sick of doing work for nothing. -- 71Demon 01:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The nominator actually makes an unwitting case for keeping this Category. The NAME of a ship is one of the most important attributes of the vessel, as any seafaring soul would tell you. Therefore, if there is some common link from the namesake of the ship to a particular US State, that is highly relevant and sentimental to all those who served on the ship, as well as significant historically to anyone interested in the history of that particular state. Of course, typical Wikipedians are generally 16-24 years old and have never even been to sea, so their landlubber instinct is to delete work like this. That allows more space on the servers for Pokemon articles. -- JossBuckle Swami 05:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I don't particularly like the titles of the categories. It is the name of the ships that are related to the state, not the ships themselves. But I think the sentiment is excellent. And the information derived from the category willbe very useful to school children and historians. WVhybrid 06:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. It's not really even the names of the ship that are related to the state, it's the things that the ships are named after that are related to the state. Listifying, particularly for ships named for places in a state, would make sense. Mairi 07:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom; the state itself has little or nothing to do with the ship. Ral315 ( talk) 10:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep these categories. There is no need to delete them, because they give a great amount of information dealing with certain ships in their respective U.S. States. The Punk 10:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Mairi. "I did a lot of work on this" isn't a good reason to keep anything. Recury 15:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
That may be true, but "I did a lot of work on this" is generally a good reason for others to slow down and think about the wisdom of deleting said work. -- JossBuckle Swami 17:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The names have a similar origin, because they are realated to the history of the people and places in a specific state. These people and events had enough significance to get a ship named for them. It also allows people to explore parts of history. They don't teach the history of the USS Barr (DE-576) in West Virginia history. Very few people in my hometown, Keyser, even know that a ship was named for someone in their home town. I had a person at Rotary the other day talk about seeing it on Wiki, that is how they learned. The got to the link from the USS West Virginia and the category of WV Related ships. Isn't that how Wiki is supposed to work? -- 71Demon 22:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I'm a template designer for alot of the ships in the United States Navy and I recognize the state origins for most ships that are built by the United States. The Carl Vinson for example is attributed to Georgia due to Carl Vinson being from that state. ViriiK 15:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom and listify. 71Demon, time invested has no relevance as to whether any given thing should be kept or deleted, as you made a personal decision to invest that time in the first place. -- Huntster T • @ • C 04:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
It should be kept on its merits. Time invested has no relavence to you, because it is not your time. Editors should respect each other. If your unsure about a project, then you should sit back and see what happens, not immediately put things up for deletion. You have now stopped forward progress on the project because the categories are locked, so people can not expand the project. You make a self fulfilling profecy by bashing what is new. I have see good editors leave because of people jumping the gun. The fact of the matter is these ships are named for people and places for a reason. They are to honor them. You are trying to say that the USS Harpers Ferry is no relavence to West Virginia, so I can't buy that. Your logic is flawed in my opinion. -- 71Demon 13:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Time invested is not a reason to keep an article or category but it is a compelling reason to be especially thoughtful before pulling the trigger on deletion and to be tactful and appreciative to the author. Demon71 has done some fantastic work - yesterday he added more to the Appalachia article in 24 hours [1] than had probably been added in a year (some was as an anon) -- and it was very high quality stuff. I'm a bit on the fence about this category, but all that other work has me wanting to find a reason to say "keep". I'll be interested to see if we get any response from the two task forces I posted a note to. -- A. B. (talk) 14:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:United States Coast Guard Academy graduates

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The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge into Category:United States Coast Guard Academy alumni, convention of Category:Alumni by university in the United States. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Seth Macfarlane

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:Seth MacFarlane, to match Seth MacFarlane. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:IBHOF Members

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 01:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete or Rename to Category:International Boxing Hall of Fame members, already a list at International Boxing Hall of Fame. -- ProveIt (talk) 02:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Category:Anti-Islam sentiment

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The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 00:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Anti-Islam sentiment ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete. Category is inherently POV. Strong tendency to be populated with people who really ought to just be in Category:Critics of Islam, and this is exactly the problem that recurs regularly (some of these issues have been chronicled near the bottom of Category talk:Anti-Islam sentiment#This category). In addition, please see already finished deletion discussion on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 December 11#Category:Anti-Islam writers, which suffered from the same problems and was deleted.

To every article currently in this category, I have added either Category:Critics of Islam or Category:Islam-related controversies, whichever was topical. So no further merge will be necessary; this category can now be deleted and the articles will remain in other more appropriate categories. —  coelacan talk — 01:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

  • I agree that there are other precedents where a hate category like this has been deleted (I believe a category for "racists" was so deleted). However, at the end of the day, I think the standards have to be applied consistently, with Wikipedians taking full responsibility for policing their application. Make no mistake, I think having this category will lead to controversy and discord, and that it's application is horrendously difficult. But, if the standards are applied inconsistently, the whole project just becomes one POV mess. Sam 02:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Your argument is a council of despair. Following your approach, as soon as there is one bad category in a field, perhaps kept as a result of a campaign by an organised group or just by chance as to who happened to be around that day (and we might be talking about two or three people out of seven or eight) that means unlimited bad categories can be created in that field and all of them must be kept forever. I think that is so self-defeating. Sumahoy 03:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I couldn't agree with your comment more. -- 70.51.229.211 15:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
That's entirely subjective. Unless people specifically say that they themselves are "anti-Islam" then there's no safe way to categorize them as such. —  coelacan talk — 03:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per Itaqallah. TruthSpreader reply 22:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: many of the editors from the Islam WikiProject appear to be ignoring the problem of people who are simply "critics of Islam" being added here. Are these editors willing to patrol the category regularly and remove inappropriate additions? Are these editors suggesting that no one's life is at risk from being included in this category? How many "keep" votes does it take to override the fact that no one has addressed this problem? —  coelacan talk — 03:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
    • it is difficult to see past this 'hit-list' claim as anything other than simply an emotional appeal. i believe such fears are unfounded, as anyone in any anti-X category (take your pic from the ones above) may be brought to the attention of some sort of religious/political extremist. yet, even without the cat, if such people were truly dedicated, they wouldn't mind spending an extra ten minutes scanning through the other two categories (which, as i argued above, are not appropriate here). yes, scholarly criticism is not regarded as anti-islam sentiment. hostility or incitement, of which there is verifiably plenty, shouldn't be confused with criticism however. furthermore, we are discussing whether the cat is appropriate, "keep"s shouldn't be mistaken for pledges to maintain the cat, although i would certainly hope to. ITAQALLAH 10:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • keep hate and criticism are not the same thing.-- Striver - talk 11:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Keep as per User:Itaqallah. Raphael1 14:37, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per coelacan talk and fact that it opens a can of worms. I will support deletion of any similar categories that relate to anti-(some belief system) sentiment. Metamagician3000 13:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I think the analogy with racism, antisemitism, etc... is correct. If the name of this category is a POV magnet, then it should be renamed something better. Category:Critics of Islam or Category:Islam-related controversies does not cover prejudice and hatred of Islam, which is the reason for this category. If some articles do not belong they should be removed. If this were "Haters of Islam", I'd be one of the first to say delete. But if we are ever going to sort out the mess of categories like this I think we have to draw the line between the subject (which we should keep), and people with the ideology (which we should delete). This distinction has worked for Racism/Racists and such. -- Samuel Wantman 04:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Unthinking editors use this category to mark living persons who have, even casually, been critical of islam. Lou Sander 18:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Cosmetics magnates

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The result of the debate was rename. Timrollpickering 01:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Cosmetics magnates to Category:Cosmetics businesspeople [Proposed by] Gkklein 00:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Category:MySpace Stars

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The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:MySpace Stars ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not sure if this should be renamed or just deleted... "stars" is a bit subjective so I'd suggest Category:Notable MySpace users if kept. The people in this category, at a glance, do seem to actually belong as they have news coverage. W.marsh 00:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

JossBuckle Swami is spamming. Check recent contributions. —  coelacan talk — 10:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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