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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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This BLP article has remained unsourced since its creation in 2007. Had it been written later, it would have been subject to WP:BLP proposed deletion. No significant sources can be found about this classical pianist. All sources found include run-of-the-mill concert announcements, etc. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Hungary, and Switzerland. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I bet good sources can be found! Heck, if she was interviewed by the SRF as seen here then there is something to her. I see mentions from sites in Finland and the Netherlands. I'm sure a thorough search will bring something up. Might get around to it. I also select this as an example. -- Ouro ( blah blah) 17:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep the argument is fallacious as sources have been there since the beginning. It is just back in this time footnotes were optional. Anyway I have added two footnotes.
Graeme Bartlett (
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21:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @ Graeme Bartlett: The sources which have existed since the article were created are not evidence of notability, they are merely evidence of existence. The article was created in 2007 with no sources other than the statement "self-made translation from de.wiki". The de.wiki article as of 2007 had no sources. The sources that exist now are merely discogs listings and catalog listings, and one note that she was a finalist in a competition. Yes, she has recorded music. Yes, she has competed internationally. None of this rises to the level of notability required by Wikipedia. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 12:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article has adequate sources. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Streaming sites, her website, that's about all I can find. Nothing in Gnews or Scholar. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 16:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I was thinking of a "sources likely to exist" vote based on her age and the language barrier, but honestly I'm not sure someone with her resume would actually have coverage in offline sources. I'm reminded of
Draft:Janita Byars, which I worked on but ultimately quit due to only being able to find
WP:NEWSPRIMARY and insignificant coverage.
Mach61
17:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- And no, the existing sources don't establish notability Mach61 17:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: References used in the article are incredibly weak and can't even really be called coverage InDimensional ( talk) 00:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NMUSIC. Here are reviews of her concerts from the 1970s and '80s: Guardian, Daily Telegraph, Daily Telegraph again, Guardian again. If I can find these at 40-50 years remove, there's likely more in specialty publications of the time, which are not as accessible as major newspapers. Jfire ( talk) 14:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete. The article's contents do not establish notability. Sources range from weak to inappropriate. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 01:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep irrespective of the article's contents Jfire has identified reliable sources reviews of her work in The Guardian (2 pieces) and The Daily Telegraph (2pieces) so WP:GNG is passed in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep User Jfire has provided valid new sources that will contribute to her notability. RolandSimon ( talk) 21:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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This BLP article has remained unsourced since its creation in 2007. Had it been written later, it would have been subject to WP:BLP proposed deletion. No significant sources can be found about this classical pianist. All sources found include run-of-the-mill concert announcements, etc. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Hungary, and Switzerland. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I bet good sources can be found! Heck, if she was interviewed by the SRF as seen here then there is something to her. I see mentions from sites in Finland and the Netherlands. I'm sure a thorough search will bring something up. Might get around to it. I also select this as an example. -- Ouro ( blah blah) 17:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the argument is fallacious as sources have been there since the beginning. It is just back in this time footnotes were optional. Anyway I have added two footnotes.
Graeme Bartlett (
talk)
21:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @ Graeme Bartlett: The sources which have existed since the article were created are not evidence of notability, they are merely evidence of existence. The article was created in 2007 with no sources other than the statement "self-made translation from de.wiki". The de.wiki article as of 2007 had no sources. The sources that exist now are merely discogs listings and catalog listings, and one note that she was a finalist in a competition. Yes, she has recorded music. Yes, she has competed internationally. None of this rises to the level of notability required by Wikipedia. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 12:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The article has adequate sources. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Streaming sites, her website, that's about all I can find. Nothing in Gnews or Scholar. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b ( talk) 23:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 16:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I was thinking of a "sources likely to exist" vote based on her age and the language barrier, but honestly I'm not sure someone with her resume would actually have coverage in offline sources. I'm reminded of
Draft:Janita Byars, which I worked on but ultimately quit due to only being able to find
WP:NEWSPRIMARY and insignificant coverage.
Mach61
17:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- And no, the existing sources don't establish notability Mach61 17:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: References used in the article are incredibly weak and can't even really be called coverage InDimensional ( talk) 00:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NMUSIC. Here are reviews of her concerts from the 1970s and '80s: Guardian, Daily Telegraph, Daily Telegraph again, Guardian again. If I can find these at 40-50 years remove, there's likely more in specialty publications of the time, which are not as accessible as major newspapers. Jfire ( talk) 14:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete. The article's contents do not establish notability. Sources range from weak to inappropriate. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 01:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts ( talk/ contributions) 01:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep irrespective of the article's contents Jfire has identified reliable sources reviews of her work in The Guardian (2 pieces) and The Daily Telegraph (2pieces) so WP:GNG is passed in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep User Jfire has provided valid new sources that will contribute to her notability. RolandSimon ( talk) 21:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.