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The result was merge to List of magazines in the Netherlands. To the nominator, don't ask participants to do more work than you are willing to do. This nomination could have been closed for lack of a deletion rationale but editors moved ahead with evaluating the article despite the lack of one. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
ZozoLala
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The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "ZozoLala" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (September 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) Mimi Ho Kora ( talk) 01:34, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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- I don't know anything about ZozoLala, but how about if you do all of that first, per WP:BEFORE... - jc37 02:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
procedural keep, without prejudice. The rationale is copied from a template, I am also concerned about a lack of WP:BEFORE.Thanks to others for completing a BEFORE and providing a rationale other than a copied template. — siro χ o 03:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)- Sources are definitely slim online. I had never heard of Zozolala in connection with the 2000s webcomic movement. However, I am seeing a bunch of mentions in Google Books. I expect there might be a significant chunk of legacy information on this subject, not online. Can't confirm yet either way. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 07:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing in the article suggests notability is met. BEFORE is, realistically, recommended but not required. We can quibble on this but to keep this short, I just did my BEFORE and found nothing. (I'd certainly encourage the nom to do this in the future and report to us here, to avoid procedural complains). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Nominator is correct that this does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. The article has been completely unsourced since it was created in 2007. My searches have not found any usable sources. Elspea756 ( talk) 13:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge (selectively and without prejudice) to list of magazines in the Netherlands. Yet another case of excessive fragmentation. Can be thickened to "Zozolala (1982–2011), comics magazine [1]", delinking the title and organizing the ref details. There is more on Delpher and Google Books. gidonb ( talk) 20:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Also a word on the notability question. The publisher is notable, however we do not have an article on that. The magazine is hard to say, as much of it was published during the lull years (between current newspaper website and national archive coverage). My solution works well regardless of the answer to this question. gidonb ( talk) 14:21, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge a small amount to list of magazines in the Netherlands as suggested by gidonb as WP:ATD-M. Especially as we have some level of secondary WP:V through Google Books. I concur with gidonb's phrasing "excessive fragmentation", merging is a good solution to such issues. — siro χ o 20:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to List of magazines in the Netherlands. To the nominator, don't ask participants to do more work than you are willing to do. This nomination could have been closed for lack of a deletion rationale but editors moved ahead with evaluating the article despite the lack of one. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
ZozoLala
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- ZozoLala ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "ZozoLala" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (September 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) Mimi Ho Kora ( talk) 01:34, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Authors, Arts, Language, Comics and animation, Entertainment, Ethnic groups, Popular culture, Europe, Belgium, and Netherlands. Mimi Ho Kora ( talk) 01:34, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Mimi Ho Kora ( talk) 01:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Webcomics-related deletion discussions. Mimi Ho Kora ( talk) 01:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know anything about ZozoLala, but how about if you do all of that first, per WP:BEFORE... - jc37 02:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
procedural keep, without prejudice. The rationale is copied from a template, I am also concerned about a lack of WP:BEFORE.Thanks to others for completing a BEFORE and providing a rationale other than a copied template. — siro χ o 03:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)- Sources are definitely slim online. I had never heard of Zozolala in connection with the 2000s webcomic movement. However, I am seeing a bunch of mentions in Google Books. I expect there might be a significant chunk of legacy information on this subject, not online. Can't confirm yet either way. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 07:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing in the article suggests notability is met. BEFORE is, realistically, recommended but not required. We can quibble on this but to keep this short, I just did my BEFORE and found nothing. (I'd certainly encourage the nom to do this in the future and report to us here, to avoid procedural complains). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Nominator is correct that this does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. The article has been completely unsourced since it was created in 2007. My searches have not found any usable sources. Elspea756 ( talk) 13:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge (selectively and without prejudice) to list of magazines in the Netherlands. Yet another case of excessive fragmentation. Can be thickened to "Zozolala (1982–2011), comics magazine [1]", delinking the title and organizing the ref details. There is more on Delpher and Google Books. gidonb ( talk) 20:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
- Also a word on the notability question. The publisher is notable, however we do not have an article on that. The magazine is hard to say, as much of it was published during the lull years (between current newspaper website and national archive coverage). My solution works well regardless of the answer to this question. gidonb ( talk) 14:21, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge a small amount to list of magazines in the Netherlands as suggested by gidonb as WP:ATD-M. Especially as we have some level of secondary WP:V through Google Books. I concur with gidonb's phrasing "excessive fragmentation", merging is a good solution to such issues. — siro χ o 20:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.