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The result was delete. Clear consensus to not keep. No consensus whether to merge or not, so I'm going to just delete this. If anybody has good sources, no reason not to add appropriate, and well sourced, information to Husqvarna Group, but I'm not going to require a merge as part of this close. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:53, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. " It was deprodded by the creator, User:Maury Markowitz , with the following rationale "trivially easy to find articles on the company (mostly as Komatsu-Zenoah) and their products. Mentioned in Popular Mechanics, for instance, as an ultralight engine source, and in "major companies" guides)". Few months later I prodded it again, since this came up on my spam radar again, and was declined by Maury again - both times without bothering to ping me, despite my clear request to do so. Well, it's time for an AfD. This article is still a poorly referenced stub, and the fact that the company is mentioned a few times in other sources is not sufficient; as it stands, the article fails the notability requirements noted above. As I discussed in my Signpost Op-Ed, this is a good example of Yellow-Pages like company spam. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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Comments:
- I'm being accused of posting "company spam".
- The OP has not followed the PROD guidelines by re-posting the PROD.
- The only statement of reasoning for the D is "poorly referenced stub", which is, of course, what a stub is.
- I see no evidence that the OP seriously considered any of the links I mentioned.
But whatever, if the OP feels this article is damaging the Wiki, by all means, argue away. Maury Markowitz ( talk) 11:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- What links have you mentioned, and where, pray tell. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Merge to Husqvarna Group, which will improve that article ( WP:ATD-M). Cursory source searches have indicated that this company may not qualify for a standalone article, relative to the depth of coverage it has received. Also, this article does not have a promotional tone, which is complementary toward merging. North America 1000 15:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- @ Northamerica1000: I would support a merge, if I could find even *one* secondary article mentioning that Zenoah is part of Husqvarna Group. Yes, it is unquestionably part of it based on WP:PRIMARY sources from the company (e.g. company webpages, product pages and press releases). I also agree the tone of the current article is fine. But I'm seeing zilch on WP:SECONDARY sources, so I have trouble even justifying a merge. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete: an unremarkable brand; does not meet WP:NCORP. Nothing of value to merge, so a "delete" is the appropriate outcome. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:47, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete (or possibly merge with Husqvarna Group) Although it seems clear Zenoah has a significant product line from the many places the products are advertised, I'm just not seeing *any* secondary coverage of Zenoah (or secondary sources that it is part of Husqvarna Group). Only press releases like this: [1]. I didn't see much for the parents companies either: Husqvarna Group and Komatsu Limited. But I wasn't looking for them. If anyone can find at least two secondary sources, I'd change my vote. Ping me. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:50, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Clear consensus to not keep. No consensus whether to merge or not, so I'm going to just delete this. If anybody has good sources, no reason not to add appropriate, and well sourced, information to Husqvarna Group, but I'm not going to require a merge as part of this close. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:53, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. " It was deprodded by the creator, User:Maury Markowitz , with the following rationale "trivially easy to find articles on the company (mostly as Komatsu-Zenoah) and their products. Mentioned in Popular Mechanics, for instance, as an ultralight engine source, and in "major companies" guides)". Few months later I prodded it again, since this came up on my spam radar again, and was declined by Maury again - both times without bothering to ping me, despite my clear request to do so. Well, it's time for an AfD. This article is still a poorly referenced stub, and the fact that the company is mentioned a few times in other sources is not sufficient; as it stands, the article fails the notability requirements noted above. As I discussed in my Signpost Op-Ed, this is a good example of Yellow-Pages like company spam. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:10, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Comments:
- I'm being accused of posting "company spam".
- The OP has not followed the PROD guidelines by re-posting the PROD.
- The only statement of reasoning for the D is "poorly referenced stub", which is, of course, what a stub is.
- I see no evidence that the OP seriously considered any of the links I mentioned.
But whatever, if the OP feels this article is damaging the Wiki, by all means, argue away. Maury Markowitz ( talk) 11:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- What links have you mentioned, and where, pray tell. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Merge to Husqvarna Group, which will improve that article ( WP:ATD-M). Cursory source searches have indicated that this company may not qualify for a standalone article, relative to the depth of coverage it has received. Also, this article does not have a promotional tone, which is complementary toward merging. North America 1000 15:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- @ Northamerica1000: I would support a merge, if I could find even *one* secondary article mentioning that Zenoah is part of Husqvarna Group. Yes, it is unquestionably part of it based on WP:PRIMARY sources from the company (e.g. company webpages, product pages and press releases). I also agree the tone of the current article is fine. But I'm seeing zilch on WP:SECONDARY sources, so I have trouble even justifying a merge. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 14:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, AmericanAir88( talk) 14:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: an unremarkable brand; does not meet WP:NCORP. Nothing of value to merge, so a "delete" is the appropriate outcome. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:47, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete (or possibly merge with Husqvarna Group) Although it seems clear Zenoah has a significant product line from the many places the products are advertised, I'm just not seeing *any* secondary coverage of Zenoah (or secondary sources that it is part of Husqvarna Group). Only press releases like this: [1]. I didn't see much for the parents companies either: Husqvarna Group and Komatsu Limited. But I wasn't looking for them. If anyone can find at least two secondary sources, I'd change my vote. Ping me. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:50, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
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