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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude talk 07:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Zack Bia
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Socialite, club promoter and Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend. Notability is not inherited from a partner, but that's pretty much all we have to get past WP:GNG, which this article, tagged for notability since May, lacks any evidence that its subject meets. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep Non-trivial coverage in Elle [1] and here from Cosmo Middle East: [2]. A Forbes contributor piece from before he med Rodrigo [3] and a thing in GQ [4]. Pains me to keep articles on minor celebrities, but I think we have GNG. He received traction as a DJ before Rodrigo, so he's got a decent amount of coverage. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'd quibble about Cosmo Middle East, a license deal and certainly question Forbes Sites, a non-RS. And Elle is asking 'Who is Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend?' which is notability inheritance, no? GQ, fine, but I think you're being, well, kind, Monsignor... Best
Alexandermcnabb (
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15:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm really trying to find quality sources. I won't complain if it gets deleted either. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Appreciated - and in today's world, the charge of kindness is sort of not the worst of things! ;) Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 15:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I-d magazine, seems independent
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Oaktree b (
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17:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- ...and yet it is an interview, comprised largely of the subject talking about himself. I'm also underwhelmed by RS articles credited to "staff." It's a vague enough definition that it can be either legitimate coverage or promotional without revealing one way or another. It is worth noting, though, that a quick perusal of the site reveals most articles on I.D. Magazine are credited writers with bylines. The few credited to "staff" tend to be content pulled from other sources. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Weak keep Unhappy to weigh in with a keep -- I'm with Oaktree b on the minor celebrity thing -- but he (just barely) meets GNG. The Complex references are solid, as is GQ. There's a photo feature in Interview, references from WWD (questionable reliability) and brief mentions in the New York Times [6], the LA Times [7],and others that I accessed through the Wikipedia library. Not suggesting those refs demonstrate notability, but they do suggest it. JSFarman ( talk) 17:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep While the sourcing isn't great, it is there and, with 22,000 pageviews over the last month, the page is clearly of value to our readers which to me is an important factor. NemesisAT ( talk) 10:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as even the "weak keep" voters pointed out, sourcing is extremely weak. Whole article reeks of self-promotion. At the very least, it's WP:TOOSOON. I don't see "Complex" as a reliable source - it looks like a website built to promote products under a thin veneer of "reporting" lifestyle "news". It's certainly not journalism and appears to have minimal editorial control. In other words, it looks like a site that would take money from Zack Bia in exchange for promoting him. Wes sideman ( talk) 10:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment I've just checked a moment ago, still no new sources for Bia found. Same as last time. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep He has a record label that has notable artists signed and developed, as well as being a recognized DJ and and club promoter in the Los Angeles socialite scene, before Olivia Rodrigo stepped into his personal life. RodeoWrld ( talk) 03:47, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which one of those things is justification for keeping? "record label that has notable artists signed and developed" - notability is not inherited. "being a recognized DJ and and club promoter in the Los Angeles socialite scene" - where's the sources that say that? "Olivia Rodrigo stepped into his personal life" - you must be joking. None of those reasons are valid. Wes sideman ( talk) 16:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete it seems to be WP:TOOSOON. I found several sources such as Us Magazine, Elle and... but I am not sure if they are enough or not. —Natalie RicciNatalie 10:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep Almost inclined to say WP:TOOSOON as well, but the sources that are there seem to meet GNG. Feels like a tough one though since there aren't any new sources in almost a month.-- Littehammy ( talk) 00:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude talk 07:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Zack Bia
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Socialite, club promoter and Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend. Notability is not inherited from a partner, but that's pretty much all we have to get past WP:GNG, which this article, tagged for notability since May, lacks any evidence that its subject meets. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 08:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep Non-trivial coverage in Elle [1] and here from Cosmo Middle East: [2]. A Forbes contributor piece from before he med Rodrigo [3] and a thing in GQ [4]. Pains me to keep articles on minor celebrities, but I think we have GNG. He received traction as a DJ before Rodrigo, so he's got a decent amount of coverage. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'd quibble about Cosmo Middle East, a license deal and certainly question Forbes Sites, a non-RS. And Elle is asking 'Who is Olivia Rodrigo's boyfriend?' which is notability inheritance, no? GQ, fine, but I think you're being, well, kind, Monsignor... Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
15:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm really trying to find quality sources. I won't complain if it gets deleted either. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Appreciated - and in today's world, the charge of kindness is sort of not the worst of things! ;) Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 15:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- I-d magazine, seems independent
[5]
Oaktree b (
talk)
17:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- ...and yet it is an interview, comprised largely of the subject talking about himself. I'm also underwhelmed by RS articles credited to "staff." It's a vague enough definition that it can be either legitimate coverage or promotional without revealing one way or another. It is worth noting, though, that a quick perusal of the site reveals most articles on I.D. Magazine are credited writers with bylines. The few credited to "staff" tend to be content pulled from other sources. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 15:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Weak keep Unhappy to weigh in with a keep -- I'm with Oaktree b on the minor celebrity thing -- but he (just barely) meets GNG. The Complex references are solid, as is GQ. There's a photo feature in Interview, references from WWD (questionable reliability) and brief mentions in the New York Times [6], the LA Times [7],and others that I accessed through the Wikipedia library. Not suggesting those refs demonstrate notability, but they do suggest it. JSFarman ( talk) 17:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep While the sourcing isn't great, it is there and, with 22,000 pageviews over the last month, the page is clearly of value to our readers which to me is an important factor. NemesisAT ( talk) 10:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as even the "weak keep" voters pointed out, sourcing is extremely weak. Whole article reeks of self-promotion. At the very least, it's WP:TOOSOON. I don't see "Complex" as a reliable source - it looks like a website built to promote products under a thin veneer of "reporting" lifestyle "news". It's certainly not journalism and appears to have minimal editorial control. In other words, it looks like a site that would take money from Zack Bia in exchange for promoting him. Wes sideman ( talk) 10:43, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark ( talk) 01:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've just checked a moment ago, still no new sources for Bia found. Same as last time. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep He has a record label that has notable artists signed and developed, as well as being a recognized DJ and and club promoter in the Los Angeles socialite scene, before Olivia Rodrigo stepped into his personal life. RodeoWrld ( talk) 03:47, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Which one of those things is justification for keeping? "record label that has notable artists signed and developed" - notability is not inherited. "being a recognized DJ and and club promoter in the Los Angeles socialite scene" - where's the sources that say that? "Olivia Rodrigo stepped into his personal life" - you must be joking. None of those reasons are valid. Wes sideman ( talk) 16:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete it seems to be WP:TOOSOON. I found several sources such as Us Magazine, Elle and... but I am not sure if they are enough or not. —Natalie RicciNatalie 10:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep Almost inclined to say WP:TOOSOON as well, but the sources that are there seem to meet GNG. Feels like a tough one though since there aren't any new sources in almost a month.-- Littehammy ( talk) 00:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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