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The result was keep. Keep votes persuasively argue that WP:MUSICBIO is met and reading it over, I see nothing in the list that indicates that sources are worth less because they cover the early part of an artist's career. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Obscure sax player. Fail WP:NMUSIC. Some social media coverage but main article coverage is early stage PR. Non-notable. scope_creep Talk 14:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and Japan. Shellwood ( talk) 14:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Oricon shows all her CD releases charted, so she passes WP:NMUSIC, even if her charting is a bit low IMO. lullabying ( talk) 22:04, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The prose could use improvement but if the claims about "featured in many media" &c are factual, I see no reason to be deleting this. Sadly I don't know Japanese, so I can't confirm. -- Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 12:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment That reference is absolute rank nonsense and can't be used to establish notability. They might as well be invisible they are so obscure. There is no secondary coverage and the fact they charted doesn't prove the individual is notable. There is no consensus on Wikipedia for that. There is no streaming coverage. She has about 200k followers on Youtube, but that is also well below the accepted standard on WP. It is likely a case of WP:TOOSOON scope_creep Talk 23:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't understand the objection to Oricon charts. Oricon is listed as one of the two recommended charts for Japan at the WP:CHART guideline, along with Billboard, and for example, her third album also charted on Billboard. Dekimasu よ! 03:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Weak keepKeep. There are a variety of independent sources available, she did win a fairly well-known jazz award in Japan, and this article in a major newspaper is a bit fluffy but it still seems to be the kind of thing that fulfills WP:GNG. She also passes WP:MUSICBIO as written (1, 2, 5). Dekimasu よ! 03:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a short interview making it primary. A very short 2 paragraph interview. That is the core of it. There is no coverage. Its all indicative of somebody very early in the career, who is currently non-notable as nobody is discussing her with the odd bit of minor coverage.
scope_creep
Talk
14:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is one of Japan's four major national newspapers, 3 million copies daily, choosing to run a 5-paragraph story specifically on her. There are also stories about her in two of the other national newspapers in the last year,
Asahi here,
Yomiuri here. There could be older articles or an article in the Mainichi as well, but I don't think that is necessary for deciding that the article should be kept.
Dekimasu
よ!
04:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Again , they are indicative of very early career work. The first one is an interview and is quite long, and 2nd one is about her time busking. It talks about her time in high-school. Again it looks like another interview. I'm not seeing the international
WP:SECONDARY coverage that would would automically make the lady notable. All I see, seems to be early career which matches
WP:TOOSOON. The number of streamers she has 200k is well below the accepted consensus for a notable Youtube star.
scope_creep
Talk
09:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had never heard of her before this nomination, but the goalposts are moving too far here. Media attention does not need to be international to be relevant, national charts in Japan are not deprecated, and no one has implied she is notable for being on YouTube. She has multiple album releases from a major label, independent coverage in national newspapers, has won at least one national award in her genre, and has charted nationally multiple times. Thus while the nomination says she fails WP:NMUSIC, she actually passes it. Switching to keep. Dekimasu よ! 15:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Again , they are indicative of very early career work. The first one is an interview and is quite long, and 2nd one is about her time busking. It talks about her time in high-school. Again it looks like another interview. I'm not seeing the international
WP:SECONDARY coverage that would would automically make the lady notable. All I see, seems to be early career which matches
WP:TOOSOON. The number of streamers she has 200k is well below the accepted consensus for a notable Youtube star.
scope_creep
Talk
09:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is one of Japan's four major national newspapers, 3 million copies daily, choosing to run a 5-paragraph story specifically on her. There are also stories about her in two of the other national newspapers in the last year,
Asahi here,
Yomiuri here. There could be older articles or an article in the Mainichi as well, but I don't think that is necessary for deciding that the article should be kept.
Dekimasu
よ!
04:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a short interview making it primary. A very short 2 paragraph interview. That is the core of it. There is no coverage. Its all indicative of somebody very early in the career, who is currently non-notable as nobody is discussing her with the odd bit of minor coverage.
scope_creep
Talk
14:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Keep votes persuasively argue that WP:MUSICBIO is met and reading it over, I see nothing in the list that indicates that sources are worth less because they cover the early part of an artist's career. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Obscure sax player. Fail WP:NMUSIC. Some social media coverage but main article coverage is early stage PR. Non-notable. scope_creep Talk 14:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, and Japan. Shellwood ( talk) 14:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Oricon shows all her CD releases charted, so she passes WP:NMUSIC, even if her charting is a bit low IMO. lullabying ( talk) 22:04, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The prose could use improvement but if the claims about "featured in many media" &c are factual, I see no reason to be deleting this. Sadly I don't know Japanese, so I can't confirm. -- Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk 12:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment That reference is absolute rank nonsense and can't be used to establish notability. They might as well be invisible they are so obscure. There is no secondary coverage and the fact they charted doesn't prove the individual is notable. There is no consensus on Wikipedia for that. There is no streaming coverage. She has about 200k followers on Youtube, but that is also well below the accepted standard on WP. It is likely a case of WP:TOOSOON scope_creep Talk 23:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't understand the objection to Oricon charts. Oricon is listed as one of the two recommended charts for Japan at the WP:CHART guideline, along with Billboard, and for example, her third album also charted on Billboard. Dekimasu よ! 03:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Weak keepKeep. There are a variety of independent sources available, she did win a fairly well-known jazz award in Japan, and this article in a major newspaper is a bit fluffy but it still seems to be the kind of thing that fulfills WP:GNG. She also passes WP:MUSICBIO as written (1, 2, 5). Dekimasu よ! 03:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a short interview making it primary. A very short 2 paragraph interview. That is the core of it. There is no coverage. Its all indicative of somebody very early in the career, who is currently non-notable as nobody is discussing her with the odd bit of minor coverage.
scope_creep
Talk
14:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is one of Japan's four major national newspapers, 3 million copies daily, choosing to run a 5-paragraph story specifically on her. There are also stories about her in two of the other national newspapers in the last year,
Asahi here,
Yomiuri here. There could be older articles or an article in the Mainichi as well, but I don't think that is necessary for deciding that the article should be kept.
Dekimasu
よ!
04:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Again , they are indicative of very early career work. The first one is an interview and is quite long, and 2nd one is about her time busking. It talks about her time in high-school. Again it looks like another interview. I'm not seeing the international
WP:SECONDARY coverage that would would automically make the lady notable. All I see, seems to be early career which matches
WP:TOOSOON. The number of streamers she has 200k is well below the accepted consensus for a notable Youtube star.
scope_creep
Talk
09:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had never heard of her before this nomination, but the goalposts are moving too far here. Media attention does not need to be international to be relevant, national charts in Japan are not deprecated, and no one has implied she is notable for being on YouTube. She has multiple album releases from a major label, independent coverage in national newspapers, has won at least one national award in her genre, and has charted nationally multiple times. Thus while the nomination says she fails WP:NMUSIC, she actually passes it. Switching to keep. Dekimasu よ! 15:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Again , they are indicative of very early career work. The first one is an interview and is quite long, and 2nd one is about her time busking. It talks about her time in high-school. Again it looks like another interview. I'm not seeing the international
WP:SECONDARY coverage that would would automically make the lady notable. All I see, seems to be early career which matches
WP:TOOSOON. The number of streamers she has 200k is well below the accepted consensus for a notable Youtube star.
scope_creep
Talk
09:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is one of Japan's four major national newspapers, 3 million copies daily, choosing to run a 5-paragraph story specifically on her. There are also stories about her in two of the other national newspapers in the last year,
Asahi here,
Yomiuri here. There could be older articles or an article in the Mainichi as well, but I don't think that is necessary for deciding that the article should be kept.
Dekimasu
よ!
04:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a short interview making it primary. A very short 2 paragraph interview. That is the core of it. There is no coverage. Its all indicative of somebody very early in the career, who is currently non-notable as nobody is discussing her with the odd bit of minor coverage.
scope_creep
Talk
14:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.