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The result was draftify. ✗ plicit 01:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Wizard with a Gun
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Coverage of this upcoming video-game is limited to run-of-the-mill announcement articles. The hard-drive.net article provides more depth, but isn't an independent source. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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Gamesand Internet. DreamRimmer ( talk) 01:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC) - Keep: Collider.com, nerdstash, yourgames.tv articles are not ROTM, SIGCOV is here. Jack4576 ( talk) 01:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify SlightAngle works for Devolver (declared) and I don't really mind them making articles for games as long as they aren't overtly promotional and advertisement in nature, but some of their stuff tends to be
WP:TOOSOON. This is one of those things, and it currently lacks SIGCOV from RELIABLE sources. It will almost certainly be notable in the future, but right now it isn't, so it should be kept on ice until the game's release. The user should be made to know that Wikipedia is not a pre-release hype promotional tool, just a recorder of notability.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
08:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- TOOSOON is not policy
Jack4576 (
talk)
09:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- True, but WP:N is. Merko ( talk) 17:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- WP is more than a ‘recorder of notability’ … perhaps the quiet part was just said out loud, methinks
Jack4576 (
talk)
09:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Don't make me tap the sign..." *points to WP:ONLYESSAY*
- As for whether Wikipedia records notability, I don't think that's a secret. It's literally explained in great detail at
WP:N. You might think something is the coolest masterwork of art of all times, but
WP:ITSCOOL is not an argument.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
11:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- TOOSOON is not an explicitly stated aspect of GNG. For that reason i’m ignoring that particular essay. (If I was to be cheeky i’d point out that ATA is not policy, either)
- I’ve pointed out that SIGCOV has been met here based on an evaluation of the sources; enabling a notability assessment to be made, which I subjecting think is the case here. Reasonable minds may differ Jack4576 ( talk) 14:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- TOOSOON is not policy
Jack4576 (
talk)
09:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per Zxcvbnm's decision. CastJared ( talk) 08:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify obviously. The only circumstances in which a game will ever qualify as notable before its release is where there is such a fuss and performance about its production (for example some massive scandal) that sources spontaneously write about it independently of the pre-release publicity. This is very rare. For any normal game, at this stage, all the information available will come from the game's creator. SlightAngle should indeed be reminded that (1) Wikipedia is not to be misused as a publicity tool, and (2) COI articles should be submitted via AfC, and COI editors should abide by AfC's decision. Elemimele ( talk) 09:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting list for the following topic: Video games. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This AfD was improperly placed in the Games deletion sorting, which is for board/card games like it says at the top. Now it's moved to the correct sorting. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify Nothing to add to the discussion, the coverage in my WP:BEFORE is almost all routine and dates back to its announcement in 2021. I was able to find this preview/development info piece from PC Gamer [1], but that's where it all ends. Fails to meet WP:GNG at this point and should be in drafts until more pre-release/reviews coverage comes out. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per previous participants. -- Slgrandson ( How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify I am ok with letting an article develop in draft space. Positive solution and WP:ATD-I. Lightburst ( talk) 19:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify WP:TOOSOON applies. Toddst1 ( talk) 00:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify, can be restored when there are some post-release reviews etc. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify. I'm sure that this article will become notable eventually, but WP:TOOSOON applies here, which is something that I have talked about with the creator before. The Night Watch (talk) 18:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. Suggesting TOOSOON isn't appropriate is nonsense, it's routinely invoked. Sergecross73 msg me 21:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify, because why not? Merko ( talk) 21:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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The result was draftify. ✗ plicit 01:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Wizard with a Gun
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Coverage of this upcoming video-game is limited to run-of-the-mill announcement articles. The hard-drive.net article provides more depth, but isn't an independent source. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
deletion sorting lists for the following topics:
Gamesand Internet. DreamRimmer ( talk) 01:05, 21 May 2023 (UTC) - Keep: Collider.com, nerdstash, yourgames.tv articles are not ROTM, SIGCOV is here. Jack4576 ( talk) 01:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify SlightAngle works for Devolver (declared) and I don't really mind them making articles for games as long as they aren't overtly promotional and advertisement in nature, but some of their stuff tends to be
WP:TOOSOON. This is one of those things, and it currently lacks SIGCOV from RELIABLE sources. It will almost certainly be notable in the future, but right now it isn't, so it should be kept on ice until the game's release. The user should be made to know that Wikipedia is not a pre-release hype promotional tool, just a recorder of notability.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
08:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- TOOSOON is not policy
Jack4576 (
talk)
09:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- True, but WP:N is. Merko ( talk) 17:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- WP is more than a ‘recorder of notability’ … perhaps the quiet part was just said out loud, methinks
Jack4576 (
talk)
09:35, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Don't make me tap the sign..." *points to WP:ONLYESSAY*
- As for whether Wikipedia records notability, I don't think that's a secret. It's literally explained in great detail at
WP:N. You might think something is the coolest masterwork of art of all times, but
WP:ITSCOOL is not an argument.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
11:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- TOOSOON is not an explicitly stated aspect of GNG. For that reason i’m ignoring that particular essay. (If I was to be cheeky i’d point out that ATA is not policy, either)
- I’ve pointed out that SIGCOV has been met here based on an evaluation of the sources; enabling a notability assessment to be made, which I subjecting think is the case here. Reasonable minds may differ Jack4576 ( talk) 14:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- TOOSOON is not policy
Jack4576 (
talk)
09:34, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per Zxcvbnm's decision. CastJared ( talk) 08:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify obviously. The only circumstances in which a game will ever qualify as notable before its release is where there is such a fuss and performance about its production (for example some massive scandal) that sources spontaneously write about it independently of the pre-release publicity. This is very rare. For any normal game, at this stage, all the information available will come from the game's creator. SlightAngle should indeed be reminded that (1) Wikipedia is not to be misused as a publicity tool, and (2) COI articles should be submitted via AfC, and COI editors should abide by AfC's decision. Elemimele ( talk) 09:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting list for the following topic: Video games. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This AfD was improperly placed in the Games deletion sorting, which is for board/card games like it says at the top. Now it's moved to the correct sorting. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify Nothing to add to the discussion, the coverage in my WP:BEFORE is almost all routine and dates back to its announcement in 2021. I was able to find this preview/development info piece from PC Gamer [1], but that's where it all ends. Fails to meet WP:GNG at this point and should be in drafts until more pre-release/reviews coverage comes out. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 10:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per previous participants. -- Slgrandson ( How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify I am ok with letting an article develop in draft space. Positive solution and WP:ATD-I. Lightburst ( talk) 19:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify WP:TOOSOON applies. Toddst1 ( talk) 00:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify, can be restored when there are some post-release reviews etc. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify. I'm sure that this article will become notable eventually, but WP:TOOSOON applies here, which is something that I have talked about with the creator before. The Night Watch (talk) 18:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. Suggesting TOOSOON isn't appropriate is nonsense, it's routinely invoked. Sergecross73 msg me 21:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Draftify, because why not? Merko ( talk) 21:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.