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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Winter Story (album series)
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This is a summary article for a series of albums/EPs by Shinhwa, all of which are notable and have their own articles (and yes, the articles are in sad shape; they're on my to-do list). Shinhwa also has a discography article. Basically this article isn't needed and says nothing that isn't already said elsewhere. It also kind of implies a relationship between the albums/EPs that maybe doesn't really exist. As the first line of the overview states, they have no connection other than sharing a name. Shinyang-i ( talk) 09:50, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Shinyang-i ( talk) 09:51, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep - This article serves as the parent article for Shinhwa's four Winter Story albums. They are related beyond their shared name; they together constitute all of Shinhwa's compilation albums from 2003 onwards. Shinhwa didn't just randomly choose unrelated albums to give all the same name. Neelix ( talk) 20:40, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- The article describes or provides evidence for no such relationship. They aren't all the same theme, the same length, similar packaging, or anything that I could find. Maybe there are some sources out there that provide more info? I wasn't sure what about the 4 items items needed introduction that couldn't be (or wasn't already) said in their really-short main articles. On a side note, I hadn't considered them compilation albums, but in light of your comment I revisited the Wikipedia definition of the term and I guess they could be defined as such - I'd love your input on the talk pages (I made a discussion at Talk:Winter Story (2003 Shinhwa album)). ^^ Shinyang-i ( talk) 07:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to be of much help on the talk page discussion you mention; I don't read Korean, and I'm having trouble finding reliable English-language sources discussing these albums. It would seem very odd to me if Shinhwa chose to give different names to all of their albums except four, naming each of these four "Winter Story" but not wanting people to think of these four albums as conceptually linked. Apart from the seeming absurdity of these articles not constituting a series (and the possibility that all four can be considered compilation albums), I cannot provide any evidence that this is a series. Perhaps I would be able to do so if I had access to more sources or if I could read Korean, but, alas, I cannot. I am glad, however, to hear that you intend to improve the quality of these articles. Neelix ( talk) 23:47, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete I get the context but I still don't find it relevant. Like all the page does is mention album sales and the fact that there is a larger theme, but doesn't indicate the significance of that theme. Is it literally that they were all released in winter? because that is not a statement deserving its own page, and could be mentioned on a discography page or even the main page. Asdklf; ( talk) 16:15, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete I agree that the article is useless, each album has its own separate page and the info on the page itself could be covered in a few sentences on the main page. AlbinoFerret 19:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge to Shinhwa. I am not seeing sources for independent, stand alone notability. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Winter Story (album series)
- Winter Story (album series) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This is a summary article for a series of albums/EPs by Shinhwa, all of which are notable and have their own articles (and yes, the articles are in sad shape; they're on my to-do list). Shinhwa also has a discography article. Basically this article isn't needed and says nothing that isn't already said elsewhere. It also kind of implies a relationship between the albums/EPs that maybe doesn't really exist. As the first line of the overview states, they have no connection other than sharing a name. Shinyang-i ( talk) 09:50, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Shinyang-i ( talk) 09:51, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Random86 ( talk) 09:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - This article serves as the parent article for Shinhwa's four Winter Story albums. They are related beyond their shared name; they together constitute all of Shinhwa's compilation albums from 2003 onwards. Shinhwa didn't just randomly choose unrelated albums to give all the same name. Neelix ( talk) 20:40, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- The article describes or provides evidence for no such relationship. They aren't all the same theme, the same length, similar packaging, or anything that I could find. Maybe there are some sources out there that provide more info? I wasn't sure what about the 4 items items needed introduction that couldn't be (or wasn't already) said in their really-short main articles. On a side note, I hadn't considered them compilation albums, but in light of your comment I revisited the Wikipedia definition of the term and I guess they could be defined as such - I'd love your input on the talk pages (I made a discussion at Talk:Winter Story (2003 Shinhwa album)). ^^ Shinyang-i ( talk) 07:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to be of much help on the talk page discussion you mention; I don't read Korean, and I'm having trouble finding reliable English-language sources discussing these albums. It would seem very odd to me if Shinhwa chose to give different names to all of their albums except four, naming each of these four "Winter Story" but not wanting people to think of these four albums as conceptually linked. Apart from the seeming absurdity of these articles not constituting a series (and the possibility that all four can be considered compilation albums), I cannot provide any evidence that this is a series. Perhaps I would be able to do so if I had access to more sources or if I could read Korean, but, alas, I cannot. I am glad, however, to hear that you intend to improve the quality of these articles. Neelix ( talk) 23:47, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA 1000 05:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 01:00, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete I get the context but I still don't find it relevant. Like all the page does is mention album sales and the fact that there is a larger theme, but doesn't indicate the significance of that theme. Is it literally that they were all released in winter? because that is not a statement deserving its own page, and could be mentioned on a discography page or even the main page. Asdklf; ( talk) 16:15, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete I agree that the article is useless, each album has its own separate page and the info on the page itself could be covered in a few sentences on the main page. AlbinoFerret 19:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge to Shinhwa. I am not seeing sources for independent, stand alone notability. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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