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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 12:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
William Bush (Hornblower)
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PROD removed without rationale by the usual party. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Hornblower himself is notable, but no other character from the book series is; Bush is just a supporting character that appeared in several novels and his character did not attract any significant discussion from literary scholars or reviewers, outside few sentences summarizing plot related to him here or there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:23, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep The usual cut/paste, drive-by nomination which claims to have followed
WP:BEFORE but mysteriously fails to find sources such as
A character sketch of Lieutenant William Bush by the respectable author
Anthony Price. Harrumph!
Andrew🐉(
talk) 09:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew Davidson, Livejournal is a blog. Price is not a scholar, either historian or literary, so I am not sure what quality of coverage we can find in this book (assuming the link to the author is correct), but the blog seems to quote the relevant passage from the book - all three paragraphs - in its entirety, and it's all is just a plot summary. I wonder if the book you found is actually a fiction piece, a variation of C. Northcote Parkinson's The Life and Times of Horatio Hornblower (which I am sure contains more disucssion of Bush, and which cannot be used as a source as it is more of PRIMARY stuff masquarading as SECONDARY). Anyway, a number of reviewers note the jarring confusing of reality and fiction in Price's book, such as his treatment of Hornblower as a real historical character. Whether it's a form of a joke or terrible scholarship, the source is probably not reliable, and anyway, per the cited passage, doesn't help us (since it's pure plot summary - WP:ALLPLOT and so on). If you find anything that goes beyond a plot summary of this character, do let us know. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, I think he knows more than he's saying.
- Delete No other fictional supporting character in the Hornblower series merits an article, I'd be fascinated to find out why Bush apparently did. Article's a mess, what little content of merit is in here can be merged to the Horblower article, but it would add very little to what's already there. Finally, the subject's simply not notable. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 11:36, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. Mztourist ( talk) 04:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Can't see any reason why this particular supporting character would warrant his own article, even with the (irrelevant) blog article Dexxtrall ( talk) 22:13, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't meet GNG. Intothat darkness 17:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think the character of Bush has enough coverage or made a wide enough impact to merit his own article. While the character has appeared in 4 of the 8 TV Hornblower films and the earlier movie, he is not the focus of any of them and I see no evidence that the character has made a wider impact on popular culture. Dunarc ( talk) 22:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 12:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
William Bush (Hornblower)
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PROD removed without rationale by the usual party. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Hornblower himself is notable, but no other character from the book series is; Bush is just a supporting character that appeared in several novels and his character did not attract any significant discussion from literary scholars or reviewers, outside few sentences summarizing plot related to him here or there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:23, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:23, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The usual cut/paste, drive-by nomination which claims to have followed
WP:BEFORE but mysteriously fails to find sources such as
A character sketch of Lieutenant William Bush by the respectable author
Anthony Price. Harrumph!
Andrew🐉(
talk) 09:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew Davidson, Livejournal is a blog. Price is not a scholar, either historian or literary, so I am not sure what quality of coverage we can find in this book (assuming the link to the author is correct), but the blog seems to quote the relevant passage from the book - all three paragraphs - in its entirety, and it's all is just a plot summary. I wonder if the book you found is actually a fiction piece, a variation of C. Northcote Parkinson's The Life and Times of Horatio Hornblower (which I am sure contains more disucssion of Bush, and which cannot be used as a source as it is more of PRIMARY stuff masquarading as SECONDARY). Anyway, a number of reviewers note the jarring confusing of reality and fiction in Price's book, such as his treatment of Hornblower as a real historical character. Whether it's a form of a joke or terrible scholarship, the source is probably not reliable, and anyway, per the cited passage, doesn't help us (since it's pure plot summary - WP:ALLPLOT and so on). If you find anything that goes beyond a plot summary of this character, do let us know. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Well, I think he knows more than he's saying.
- Delete No other fictional supporting character in the Hornblower series merits an article, I'd be fascinated to find out why Bush apparently did. Article's a mess, what little content of merit is in here can be merged to the Horblower article, but it would add very little to what's already there. Finally, the subject's simply not notable. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 11:36, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. Mztourist ( talk) 04:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Can't see any reason why this particular supporting character would warrant his own article, even with the (irrelevant) blog article Dexxtrall ( talk) 22:13, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't meet GNG. Intothat darkness 17:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't think the character of Bush has enough coverage or made a wide enough impact to merit his own article. While the character has appeared in 4 of the 8 TV Hornblower films and the earlier movie, he is not the focus of any of them and I see no evidence that the character has made a wider impact on popular culture. Dunarc ( talk) 22:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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